My question to YOU - What is the single most overrated film in the Criterion Collection? (No Barry Lyndon answers allowed, sorry)
@swaggyquaggy5077
2 жыл бұрын
400 blows
@michaelsmith1262
2 жыл бұрын
Anything with Jacques Tati. I have actually not watched one of his films all the way though, but I have sampled them enough to know I don't find them funny at all. I think maybe if you are French, you can more easily see the humor, but to me they are painfully unfunny and boring.
@spaceodds1985
2 жыл бұрын
Well said, Barry Lyndon is underrated of all things
@luissegovia8205
2 жыл бұрын
Andrei rublev.... 3 hour of... Zzzzzzzz!!!!
@EBFido1973
2 жыл бұрын
Pierro le fou from Goddard
@NoStasis
2 жыл бұрын
I also love Kurosawa’s later films, but Seven Samurai and a lot of his other films in that era had an incredible magic from the cast and scripts that are hard to surpass. Interesting that you seem to take points off of a film for being so influential that others then refine the ideas from it, that influence would seem to speak to it’s greatness if you ask me. I’ve long believed that Seven Samurai is a legitimate contender for greatest film of all-time, it’s all subjective but to me it checks all the boxes.
@h.calvert3165
Жыл бұрын
As I was watching it for the first time, I kept checking how much was left. I wasn't bored. I was saying, "AARRGGHH! There's only two & a half hours left! AARRGGHH! There's only two hours left! AARRGGHH!. . . ." 🤯
@jnagarya519
Жыл бұрын
It can't be "all subjective" because the film in question exists as an objective entity.
@NoStasis
Жыл бұрын
@@jnagarya519 the film is the film, it is the opinions are subjective.
@jnagarya519
Жыл бұрын
@@NoStasis And yet interpretations of a film or other work of "art" are limited by the elements and strictures within the work. A painting of a tree is not a painting of a motor vehicle.
@andrewhladek3528
Жыл бұрын
I think what a lot of the haters don't seem to understand is that you still show respect these directors and share appreciation to these works. Out of the five films you've discussed, Seven Samurai was the only film I watched. I'll consider watching the other four. Overall, your explanation for each these is professionally done! Great job!
@saharapage1
2 жыл бұрын
Well you went for it Elliott and I must say you expressed your opions very well. You are always interesting and thought provoking. I really enjoy your channel.
@movieedge7370
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, any Wes Anderson movie is overrated he can release a movie once a year, and it automatically gets a criterion. It’s ridiculous. His movies are not that great.
@jshimmy786
4 ай бұрын
Absolutely heresy.. Seven Samurai, Breathless and Citizen Kane are the greatest movies of all-time.. yeah, its subjective... and I love those movies after taking film classes in college so context is definitely needed and helpful. Those movies greatness is not "intuitive". But you're spot on regarding Royal Tenenbaums.
@michaelsmith1262
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with some choices, and I really like this topic. Some filmmakers do not connect with me at all. Lynch is one of them. I'm glad you've shifted your focus for this channel to these kinds of topics, rather than just haul videos. Seems like the time you took off was good for you. Would like to see you post videos more often, but of course whatever you are comfortable with is what you should do.
@s.m.whiteII
11 ай бұрын
At least you are honest enough to admit you might not connect with Lynch. Kudos. As for me, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive were all movies that had a DEEP impact on me, each viewed at different times of my life. No single director comes close in that respect for me personally
@NotOrdinaryInGames
9 күн бұрын
I only saw 3.5 of Wes Anderson's movies (not sure if watched all of parts of one of them), and that included Budapest Hotel. A solid piece of work, good choice to pick it as #1.
@ThePanPiper89
2 жыл бұрын
Your take on Godard is one I see often and very much understand. There are those moments where a very fast paced film with a short duration suddenly derails for 10 minutes for a conversation. It’s very hit or miss. I really liked it in Contempt. Contempt is a real outlier in that StudioCanal set.
@storysightmedia
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this video!! I love your hot takes and even agree with some of them. More film lovers should not be scared to share their controversial opinions.
@simonfilmfan4899
2 жыл бұрын
Those Criterion discs are seriously expensive and too arty to risk blind buys. I only own a few.
@finlaylonghurst
2 жыл бұрын
funnily enough, the royal tenenbaums is the wes anderson film that i connect with the most, always makes me emotional
@wharfrat7900
8 ай бұрын
I agree with you on The Royal Tenenbaums and Citizen Kane. I've never seen Mulholland Drive. I never wanted to. I didn't like David Lynch's other films. I thought he was always trying too hard to be arty. However, Seven Samurai remains my all-time favorite film.
@nomad6218
2 жыл бұрын
I think that not only is The French new wave the most vital era in cinema, but objectively as a brilliant era of cinema that has some of the best and some of my favourite films, like Cleo for 5 to 7, Last year at Marienbad, Day for Night, etc.
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Day for Night is one of my favourite Truffaut’s. I think the late silent era is the most vital. If only Murnau and other masters had another decade to play around with before sound!
@elizabethveldonstuff
2 жыл бұрын
not going to disagree there.
@valentinedussaut3839
2 жыл бұрын
Day for Night isn't part of the French New Wave. The problem with you Americans is that you have a shallow understanding of French cinema. The French New Wave lasted from 1958 to 1962. Anything after that, even Godard, and Truffaut isn't French New Wave. Bresson isn't French New Wave, Melville and Pialat neither. It is even disputed if Demy or Resnais were.
@mr.40-15
2 жыл бұрын
Nah bro french new wave films are trash
@valentinedussaut3839
2 жыл бұрын
@@mr.40-15 I challenge you to a duel.
@DamienTalksMoney
2 жыл бұрын
Nailing the topics and titles recently lad!
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers pal! I’m always looking at your videos for how to do it!
@DamienTalksMoney
2 жыл бұрын
@@ElliotCoen hahah well if you figure it out let me know mate because I am clueless!!
@davidlevy4291
9 ай бұрын
Its not about offending.. its about weather or not someone agrees or not...and perhaps someone has derived more meaning from the work than than you have and all the better for them
@WhirlingMusic
2 жыл бұрын
Mulholland Drive and Drive My Car are probably the worst Criterion movies I own. Drive My Car being the worst of the two.
@MyBennyO
2 жыл бұрын
How can you choose one Kurosawa over another? One of the few filmmakers that one can say that has created almost 100% masterpieces! "Seven Samurai" is one of the greatest films of all time! So is "Ran", "Kagemusha", "Dreams", Yojimbo", "High & Low", etc. Difficult for me to choose a favorite Kurosawa! I do agree 1,000% that "Barry Lyndon" is one of the greatest films ever made! Seen it twice so far this year! By the way, Kubrick is another filmmaker that has created almost 100% masterpieces! I'm so glad you left Scorsese out of the overrated! He's my personal favorite! Thanks and keep up the good work Elliot!
@jaredmiller7365
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who would put Seven Samurai in my Top 5, I actually completely understand. King Lear became my favorite Shakespeare play in college and around that time I discovered Ran, and I was completely blown away. It is just a slight bit below Samurai for me, and I get that exhaustion that comes from Samurai's influence and from a standpoint in scope and full directorial potential his later films are technically superior. I also agree with Tenenbaums as well, his more recent work has certainly held up as more emotionally enjoyable.
@josephingrao5556
2 жыл бұрын
LOL What a silly segment, first off and if you want to use the term "overrated" well there's a reason why movies that you mentioned like The Seven Samurai and why it's so beloved because it was heavily influential to all filmmakers, almost revolutionary to a degree. Very strange that you think his films picked up in the 80s like the movie "Ran" well no disrespect to Kurosawa, but that movie sorta put me to sleep. In my humble opinion the 80s and 90s is where his films started to decline. And don't get me started with "Citizen Kane" it is almost blasphemous that you think that movie is overrated. Dude again the same reason why it's such a beloved movie. It didn't start with the Italian neo realism films, it didn't start with the French New Wave, the REAL revolution started with Orsen Welles. Thats it! Period! End of story! Um I'm quite confused on your assessment on The Royal Tenenbaum being uh overrated? Don't know what you're talking about, sorry that movie is not overrated. I rarely hear anyone talking about that film except amongst the Wes Anderson nerds.... no disrespect to the Wes Anderson fans. But what do you expect from this pretentious hipster who thinks there's no history before the 1980s LOL
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
😂 thanks for watching!
@josephingrao5556
2 жыл бұрын
@@ElliotCoen I won't anymore LOL 🤣
@heartofcinema3454
Жыл бұрын
I don't agree with Seven Samurai. I prefer it to Ran myself. Kane, no way. The rest are ok, Mulholland is ok, it's not overrated or underrated. Goddard for me is too intellectual, he should have been a writer.
@TheBigMclargehuge
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you for the most part, however I wouldn't be worried about anyone being mad at you. It doesn't appear you had the courage to actually criticize or make any valid points other than none of these films are perfect tens to you. Films like citizen Kane have some very very glaring problems and there's points at which it's downright stupid. The whole rosebud thing? Oh yes people think to their childhood on their deathbed how astute of you Mr Wells you are a genius. You can tear any of these films a new butthole and rightfully so.
@borisying3204
2 жыл бұрын
Hello, Elliot! First off, I enjoy watching your video show on films on blu rays. I also wish to give you my thumbs up on these ‘Over-Rated’ Films. Here’s my response: Films should be judged by its stand on the history of filmmaking, its stand on when it was first released, and its stand as of now. Another criteria is, the film shall remain not dated. My favourite Kurosawa’s films are Rashomon, Throne of Blood, and Dersu Uzala. Among his film category, Seven Samurai is probably voted as his best film. J L Godard in some circles he’s god! His Breathless was a classic when it was released and shall remain so. I also liked his Alphaville and Le Mempris, but not for repeated watch. I agree the Royal Tannbaum is over-rated, like many of Wes Anderson’s films. Most are good to look at but one hardly remembers the storyline after watching it. His good ones are Isle of Dogs and Grand Hotel Budapest. His last one French Dispatch is dreadful. David Lynch is an artist cum painter. Personally I think his Mulholland Drive was one of his best films. One should look at his films as pieces of artworks, which are subject to interpretation. Finally, you hit the jackpot with Citizen Kane! It is The Most Over-Rated Film in History, if you ask me. The Third Man is a better film, it doesn’t look dated, and not directed by Orson Wells.
@deckofcards87
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I like at least 5 or 6 Kurosawa films more than Seven Samurai, including the great RASHOMON.
@Armandthevampire
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with most of your hot takes, at least in one way or another :). Here is the thing. take Seven Samurai, for instance, I agree that it is not my favorite Kurosawa film, although I still disagree with you regarding with one(s) I prefer. I prefer Ikiru most of all, but many of his other works in the early days compared to Seven Samurai but that doesn't mean that it is overrated. I still have to "get" the french new wave movement or I just won't but either way, I am having trouble seeing Breathless for the masterwork it supposedly is. I am generally not a fan of Wes Anderson, I do believe the first movie of his that I watched was The Royal Tenenbaums, way back when it came out, I didn't like then and most of his movies are not my cup of tea, I do like The Grand Budapest Hotel but if I'm honest, I prefer his animated movies the most, especially The Fantastic Mr Fox but Isle of dogs as well. Regarding Mulholland Dive, I really like that movie and I think it deserves its song of praises but like with Seven Samurai, it is not my favorite of Lynch. I think I love Lost Highway more. Where I find that I most agree with you is regarding Citizen Kane. I think it might be the most overrated movie of all time, if not only the most overrated in the Criterion Collection. Technically I fully admit that it took huge strides, no problem, but, and this is huge but, the story is not good in my opinion (duh). I prefer Touch of Evil.
@johnthevoice6270
2 жыл бұрын
I fully agree with you on every director but not on every film by the director. For Wes Andersson I would have picked Moonrise Kingdom or I would even gone as far The Grand Budapest Hotel. While they are fantastic films, they tend to overshadow Anderson’s other films like The Djarling Express or Rushmore. For David Lynch I would have picked instead, Eraserhead. There’s something about that film that I cannot wrap my head around and I most definitely don’t understand what possess people to admire it and even posses it.
@thewalkingdunning-krugeref9664
Жыл бұрын
I was with ya until you got to The Royal Tenenbaums. Mulholland Drive I somewhat agree with (and with a bit of blasphemy of my own), I haven't even seen Citizen Kane yet. 🙃
@joshg1845
Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I didn't get past Seven Samurai. I have no issue with someone using actual opinions on the film itself to say they don't think it's the best ever. If you stopped at "I liked the Kurosawa works of the 80's and 90's because of his fantastic use of color and more refined camera work" then there would be zero issue with this. However, your reasoning is some contrarian "look at how original I am" bulls--t. "The reason this isn't one of the best films ever made is because later films were inspired by it". If this Play-Doh brained take is what you start your video with the rest of your opinions are not worth hearing. Looking at your timestamps and seeing both Breathless and CItizen Kane further proved my point. Luckily KZitem has a button that lets me never see your face in my recommended feed again
@thelisteningroom5818
2 жыл бұрын
Mulholland Drive.........why Elliott?.....why'd you have to do it?? Like a dagger in my heart. Good video as always 👍
@truth-uncensored2426
Жыл бұрын
Agreed with Breathless, Citizen Kane and Mullohand Drive, disagreed with Seven Sumurai, and the other I have not seem yet.
@filmsaboutfilms6964
2 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% with the French New Wave opinion. Just because something is new and experimental doesn't mean it's automatically good. Like the famous Breathless jump cuts. Yes I understand this was new at the time. But I genuinely don't know what it adds to the film other than making it seem unprofessional and messy.
@rosspollard6411
2 жыл бұрын
i agree with seven samurai, breathless and maybe royal tennabaums, but mulholland drive and citizen kane? never! in terms of overated films, i find robert bresson's films are all pretty dull.
@IshiGoturi
2 жыл бұрын
Having rewatched Seven Samurai last week, I believe it’s strength comes from its accessibility to the average person. It’s a very simple action-adventure story that anyone from any culture can understand, and it has a relatively uplifting ending despite some of the characters perishing in the battle with the bandits. Unfortunately, the ease of watching that movie is hindered by the long runtime, as well as the deteriorated condition of the film print itself. The movie that is often considered the second-greatest Japanese film of all time, Godzilla, is much shorter and in much better condition than Seven Samurai, despite both being produced by Toho Studios in 1954.
@anthonym8205
2 жыл бұрын
I feel that Salo could have been number six. It's not because it's a terrible movie (it's not) but because if you stripped away the theory of the film you are left with vapid tortureporn.
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Yes very interesting take, Anthony. I’ll be touching on Salo sometime soon on the channel. Cheers!
@WhirlingMusic
2 жыл бұрын
I was shocked to see that disgusting movie was on criterions label lol. I'd have thought some niche boutique label would have used it. When I think of criterion, I think of ... well.... not poop eating movies lol. Pink flamingos is on criterion too now. Crazy. I bet Gummo will be picked up by criterion someday.
@anthonym8205
2 жыл бұрын
@@WhirlingMusic I'd be ok with Gummo, as I am with Salo, Pink Flamingos, Armageddon, and Breakfast Club
@ACertainGoldEevee
2 жыл бұрын
While I agree that Seven Samurai is not Kurosawa's best film, I just can't agree that his works got better over time. There's some gems later in the 70s and 80s for sure, but for me he has never topped High and Low. Wes Anderson deserves all the attention he gets, besides maybe Moonrise Kingdom and Bottle Rocket, every movie of his is fantastic! One of the best directors living today. Now David Lynch I can totally get behind being overrated. Mullholand Drive felt like I was watching some artsy college kid's project for school, and I think Lost Highway might just be in the running for the worst movie I've ever seen. But I guess if everyone liked the same things this world would be a pretty boring place to live in, so hey more power to you guys I guess.
@rodneyleon3645
2 жыл бұрын
That's it! That's the final straw! I. Am. Out. Of. Here!
@voidgrrl
2 жыл бұрын
I was still recovering from the French New Wave slander and then Mulholland Drive???? My favourite film of all time???? I'm seething, lad
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry to let you down so harshly 😂
@robertfaulkner1824
Ай бұрын
I thought I was not a very good lynch fan as elephant man is my favorite of his but a straight story?! I mean it’s a very endearing little movie… better than dune. Lost highway I wasn’t a fan of… o wonder what he thinks about blue velvet
@20thand21stMovies
2 жыл бұрын
Elliot, great video and topic! I agree with all your choices (with the exception of maybe Citizen Kane). Doesn’t mean that the films are bad as you say - I actually love all those films - but one can definitely argue that they are slightly overrated. I love Seven Samurai and think it’s brilliant but I actually like Rashomon, High and Low, and Dreams from Kurosawa way more with High and Low being my favorite of his films.
@agnosoul
2 жыл бұрын
When you pulled up Breathless I went "yeah and so is Godard, and honestly so is the entire French New Wave" and you beautifully followed up with that. hilarious
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@JoYiSgUiTaR
2 жыл бұрын
I agree on the French New Wave being Overrated for sure. It feels like it’s trying too hard to be stylistic if that makes sense, like if that genre of film was a person, it would be very arrogant
@thecinematicmind
2 жыл бұрын
I was always much a fan of Left Bank, more playful and emotional.
@littleghostfilms3012
2 жыл бұрын
Films should be judged on an individual basis. Your comment is painting with a broad brush a whole bunch of films as if they all have the same tone or sense. Because of the impact and revolutionary nature of what the French New Wave did and then all the mountains of writing done about it I think there is sometimes a push back and urge to puncture the balloon of it's status. To me that is all irrelevant. I'm drawn to that period sometimes just as I'm drawn to other periods from other cultures as a way to experience interesting works of art and learn something along the way. The French New Wave has dozens of films of different styles and some are better than others. I don't see anything arrogant about those films. They are films, not people.
@LuisFilipeAlves
2 жыл бұрын
hahahaha, i was listening to you talk about breathless and seven samurai and thinking, he's going to close with citizen kane, isnt he? :D i disagree with a lot of this, in particular mulholland drive, which is a favorite of mine (what do you think of fire walk with me,btw?). but it was a fun video. :) just, brace yourself for the hate :D
@MarvinDeLeon-hx4hi
Жыл бұрын
You know what? Everything is overrated. Because people find everything overrated.
@ricahrdb
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting but I disagree with you 5/5. I am not necessarily a fan of all these films but I do recognise that all 5 are either landmark films or key films for their specific director. I definitely wouldn't pick these in the category "overrated" as most of them (specifically Citizen Kane, Mulholland Dr. and Breathless) are actually often criticised for being "snobbish" and "elitist".
@maxturgeon89
2 жыл бұрын
I kept a copy of the September 2012 issue of S&S with the results of their poll. I look at it from time to time to get some inspiration. But one thing that has always fascinated me is how the critics results are much more uniform than the directors results. And I think that ties to one key idea you mentioned in your video: we watch/love/make movies for a variety of reasons. The films that stay with me the longest are the ones with which I really connect emotionally. Directors probably rank movies highly based on which ones inspired them the most. Academics may focus more on form than content.
@domcoke
2 жыл бұрын
I have always felt the way you do about Wes Anderson... and I LOVED The Grand Budapest Hotel. For me, that's his masterpiece, where the style and content finally meshed brilliantly.
@realjoelgomes
2 жыл бұрын
Thought provoking video Elliot!! 👌👌👌👍👍👍. Next I'd suggest you make a couple of videos on Criterion titles that have DVD versions, but have never been released on Blu-ray: a video on the best ones that deserve a BR release, and another on "Not sure how this title made it to Criterion?!"
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Great ideas, Joel. I’ll add these to my list. Thank you so much for the support! 🙌
@m.dorado6966
2 жыл бұрын
I have one in my collection called The Thief of Baghdad I've had for years waiting for a BR release. What does Criterion have against Sabu?
@anthonym8205
2 жыл бұрын
Even if they had the rights, would people double dip on Tout va bien?
@praapje
Жыл бұрын
Largely I´m in agreement with you. I like Seven Samurai, but I wouldn´t put it in my top ten of Kurosawa movies. Waaaay overrated imo. And Breathless? Don´t even get me started on that. What a turd! Influential perhaps, but overall crappy af. Pardon my French. Yes, Citizen Kane I find also overrated, but still an amazing and wonderful movie. I have to disagree on Mulholland though. Yes, every best of list is ultimately a matter of taste and personal preference no matter how much one tries to rationalize it, but to me it´s probably THE best film ever made alongside Inland Empire.
@chrisjfox8715
2 жыл бұрын
You have David Lynch in the thumbnail. Unsubscribed! Lol
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Haha! I shall never put Lynch in a thumbnail again!
@richardking3206
2 жыл бұрын
It feels like you’ve set out to be controversial, here. To criticise films because they were made in monochrome, a long while ago, alone seems lazy. There are plenty of films that are ‘overrated’ in a true sense, ie they are well thought of but are not really very good, got carried on a zeitgeist or PR hype. To say that a film is very good, if not brilliant, but yet is overrated is not clear thinking. I’d challenge you to come up with a similar list that contains films that are falsely acclaimed. To diss a whole movement as you do with the French New Wave is astonishing. French cinema, in particular, has little if any competition from other countries’ industries. Certainly the US doesn’t. The US has raided many other countries best talent, claiming them as its own, falsely. Jean Renoir and Fritz Lang (for example) were making brilliant films long before the dollar came calling; indeed many would say that their best work was pre-Hollywood. If you took all the foreign talent out of Hollywood, where would the industry be? The British film industry is a shadow of the French. We don’t even have the decency to give our New Wave such a title, preferring the pejorative ‘kitchen sink’, exhibiting our class-based prejudices into the bargain. I’ve gone on a bit longer than I intended here, but maybe that’s what you hope your commenters do, to raise your KZitem figures. Please, offer a proper ‘overrated’ list worthy of the title. To attack some of the Holy Cows of the industry is easy meat.
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
You’ve confused me when you say that it’s not clear thinking to call something very good and overrated. If the general consensus is that a film is a 10 but I think it’s an 8 or 9, can I not therefore say it’s very good and overrated still? An awful lot of people seem to get stuck on thinking overrated equals bad. That can certainly be the case but for all of the films I’m talking about here, it isn’t. Thanks very much for taking the time to watch and comment though, I do appreciate it. Cheers, Richard!
@Boosted18
9 ай бұрын
Though I agree with your sentiments on the Royal T., Grand Budapest Hotel is a very weak film. Life Aquatic and Rushmore are his best.
@RiderRated18
2 жыл бұрын
It’s totally fine Man. I haven’t actually seen any of the films you mentioned in this video. But I have encountered other criterion films that were massively hyped up and when I watched them…. I felt not much connection with them at all. For example, one of them was Easy Rider, Seriously I was so disappointed with it and couldn’t understand it’s positive reputation. But nothing lost nothing gained, I just move on and turn to the next recommendation 🙂👍
@kencur9690
Жыл бұрын
How can you not like Easy Rider? You’re Rider Rated! _De gustibus_ I guess... Still, what you’re doing is very wrong. Never move on after the first try! Give it a second try. At least start watching for a second time. You might miss something you actually like, just wasn’t in the mood for it first time. Watch for a second time for at least 15 mins. If the feeling persists, then ok, move on, perhaps for good. If not, stay for another 15, etc. I’m not talking about the crap - the consumerist stuff and so on - you can skip those if you don’t immediately like them. But critically acclaimed films deserve a second chance. It doesn’t mean you’ll change your mind, you might even end up hating it even more, and being even more disappointed hehe, but you might see it in a new light. I know it happened to me a couple of times. Usually, a great film will be great first time watching it, but I know for sure that in my case I’ve had different viewings and reception of the same thing, watched on separate occasions. (Can work in reverse too: being less impressed on a second viewing.) Same for music, especially classical music. Sometimes I discount a piece, a symphony for instance, only to revisit it later on and change my mind completely. Try it man, nothing to lose, especially since you can find some of these online nowadays.
@reverietapes
Жыл бұрын
I do feel royal tenenbaums is overrated. Moonrise Kingdom is my personal favorite.
@samuelstephens6163
2 жыл бұрын
Red River is an overrated title. I love Hawks, I love Wayne, and I love Westerns. But Red River was just okay with a great Wayne performance. But you know what, even as I say it, I kinda want to watch it again.
@mondegreens
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Mulholland Drive is (one of) the best of the 21st century imo, but isn’t Bay’s Armageddon in the Collection too? Speaking of overrated. But honestly I get it, there are a lot of great movies in the collection but they’re there for their importance to cinema rather than fun or interesting watch I guess. So overrated yeah, but not Mullholland Drive man, come on.. 😅
@jgirlLVR
Жыл бұрын
Nooooo! Armageddon in the Criterion Collection. I can't accept that. Two and a half hours of my life I'll never get back. By the time that stupid tear runs down Bruce Willis's stupid stone face as he's about to make his heroic sacrifice I was rooting for the asteroid. I wanted everyone in the film to die. I wanted everyone involved in the making of the film to die. I wanted everyone who enjoyed the film to die. And now, with that rotting vegetable in the White House leading us into war with not one but two nuclear armed powers, maybe, just maybe, my dream can come true. Bwahahahaha!
@MrCREWCRUSHIN95
2 жыл бұрын
The arguments you make don't make sense. "Other film makers refined them later". If Kurosawa didn't do seven samurai and the French new wave never happened- The cinema you love today would not exist. Future filmakers would have nothing to be following and refining.
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
The films that came after are more enjoyable to watch. I’m not doubting any historical importance here. I know how important the French New Wave is and that cinema would be different without it - that doesn’t mean I have to pretend to like it more than I actually do.
@unityoc
2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with all of your picks. The only one I might have to (slighlty) push back on is Mulholland Dr. but that's ok, Lynch isn't for everyone, in fact he's not for most people.
@CarlosHernandez-rl2wg
2 жыл бұрын
The most overrated title is Stalker. I have seen at least 2 SCI-FI / Post apocalyptic lists put it at top of their list. I drove all the way to my local Barnes and Noble during a 50% sale to buy it. Upon watching it, I was interested at the beginning (Escaping the city scenes), but then got progressively angry and bored. The movie ended, and I felt like I misspent my money on a bad title instead of something greater that I overlooked at the store. Agreed, on Citizen Kane. I like the film, but I can see how if you took away all the great cinema techniques, it would be a very boring film. Now Seven Samurai, is what I disagree on. Good video regardless.
@jasonleetaiwan
Жыл бұрын
I knew Royal Tenenbaums was overrated right when it came out. I don't buy any of Wes Anderson's films on physical. I watch them on Disney Plus only. Most of his films are better than The Royal Tenenbaums. I don't buy any of the Godard either. Streaming only for me too. Citizen Kane is pretentious and always a bit boring. Seven Samurai isn't overrated in my book. I prefer Kurosawa's earlier films to his later films tremendously. I never liked Ran but thought it was a very nice looking film. Great video, but it dragged a little bit in places.
@Methuselah969V
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about Mulholland Drive being overrated Naomi Watts and the other actress are super hot 🔥 but the film was so weird I didn't get it though I probably need to watch it a second time one of these days
@zztapa
2 жыл бұрын
Every film you mention might had encouraged a small amount of directors to become directors and have box office success, so this video is overrated, hello Spielberg
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Undoubtedly! That’s sort of my point. The great films inspired by the classics refine and improve on them, and are only judged as subordinate because they came after.
@bookiester
6 ай бұрын
I was out after Godard and New Wave. Fold the channel.
@ElliotCoen
6 ай бұрын
You can find echo chambers elsewhere!
@Lightraymuse
2 жыл бұрын
Apart from Breatheless, I have viewed all of these and do believe that there is some substance to your opinions. Of course, respect to all those who say otherwise. In regards to Lynch, Inland Empire (2006), is the movie of his that I most currently rate. Although long, it has all those Lynch elements that we know and love and is capably anchored by Laura Dern. That opinion should cause at least some concern.
@Ally140992
2 жыл бұрын
Citizen Kane is a great movie but Ambersons was Welles' masterpiece and I just wish we got to see his own cut.
@gurutattoo75
2 жыл бұрын
I was sitting here waiting for you to say "The Red Shoes" or "Come and See", and if that was the case, we would've had words, butI actually agree whole-heartedly with your picks. Barry Lyndon is a gem, I hope some day we get a 4k release of it.
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
I could never have included those films here! The Red Shoes is vital cinema for me. Thanks for watching, Kevin!
@JoseChavez-rf4ul
2 жыл бұрын
Yes! “Barry Lyndon” in 4K please! In fact, as much as I adore the Kubrick films that have already seen a release in 4K, “Lyndon” is the film I would have chosen ahead of all the others… Here’s to hoping it gets one soon. 🤞🏽
@raminagrobis6112
2 жыл бұрын
@@ElliotCoen I couldn't agree more. The Red Shoes was one of my most extraordinary discoveries of my last 19 years of cinema exploration, after " Black Narcissus".. Sacrilege !! 😂
@sensitivedogs
2 жыл бұрын
Well I'm glad you would have had words if those were chosen. I had words for those that were actually chosen based on the fact it was hitting criterion directly for their choices. Elliot should start his own boutique label and see how we rate his choices.
@MrKahlerHahn
2 жыл бұрын
Was expecting or hoping for tarkowsky's andrej rublov
@brutusalwaysminded
7 ай бұрын
How dare you! 😡😁 No. 1 for me. 😉
@davidosborn6714
2 жыл бұрын
Even though I disagree with most of your candidates, I admire you for putting yourself in the line of fire. My criticism isn't so much of your choices as your criteria for including them. In several instances you justify a film's inclusion based on there being better incarnations of the same theme or genre in later films. But to my mind this implies the validity of the very films you're choosing as overrated. It seems to me if these movies weren't "overrated" enough for filmmakers to want to emulate, the "more deserving" examples you prefer might never have gotten a green light. All that being said, I really enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work!
@mattylujan
2 жыл бұрын
Highly disagree regarding Tenenbaums. Highly. I find Moonrise Kingdom and after to be whatever.
@trevorbartram5473
2 жыл бұрын
Agree with Breathless, Royal Tennenbaums & Mulholland Drive. I havn't seen Seven Samurai in years. You are wrong regarding Citizen Kane. You need to see the PBS series on William Randolph Hearst or read a good biography. At the tail end of the Depression, Welles was documenting the excesses of American commerce and experimenting with cinematic techniques within a thinly disguised biographic movie, plain genius!
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, I completely understand the historical context and how brilliant that is! That doesn’t affect the film itself though. I can’t remember who said it first but you shouldn’t have to read a book to enjoy a film to its fullest! Thanks for watching and commenting, Trevor!
@trevorbartram5473
2 жыл бұрын
That is the brilliance of Kane, it's a reflection of a life not a mirror, and is still a compelling story in it's own right.
@sorenthefilmbrony
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Jeanne Dielman. I can't stand that boring-ass movie... 😒
@KBLovesMovies
2 жыл бұрын
Just start off with a couple of hot takes, Elliot! LOL!!!
@LeonardoJJardim
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see in the Criterion Collection in 4K Sunset Boulevard (1950) Directed by Billy Wilder.
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
YES! Love Wilder and Sunset Boulevard. If this can happen, it would make my year!
@brutusalwaysminded
7 ай бұрын
Wow, I agree (vehemently) with all of your picks except for ‘Seven Samurai’. I don’t think Kurosawa ever achieved his ideal of “pure cinema”; I find his later work often too static. Movies aren’t paintings, though they can be influenced by them, which is why I feel filmmakers like Peter Greenaway are more successful with expressing the dynamism inherent in what the best paintings suggest. Kurosawa’s mid-career features, imo, are among his most compelling work. Oh, there’s nothing more “meandering” than ‘Barry Lyndon’; not in terms of narrative or storyline but within the frames. Someone like Tarkovsky is almost exactly the opposite: his narratives meander like a mofo, but he is rigorously painstaking about the story within the frame. Kubrick is so much like Hitchcock who also takes great pains to arrive at a scene but he’s so plastic that when we get there we find that there’s nothing much going on (usually a joke)! My two cents. 😁 Thanks!!
@sensitivedogs
2 жыл бұрын
First it doesn't matter if we agree or if anyone agrees with your choices. I find that giving us your opinion about criterion and what you consider overrated means you overate yourself and the importance of your opinion about criterion's choices. But you admit their importance in their role in cinema? Anyway I do agree with some but the way you approach it is not such a great idea. Or the fact you included CITIZEN KANE. You are young and new to movie appreciation and it is so ridiculous to give us your opinion about criterion and what they value under their banner. Why not just say your opinion about the films without the criterion release banner? Hands down you are becoming increasingly inconsequential. Really Elliot? And you are choosing great films which makes picking them out from the criterion banner even worse. Your opinion is fine and interesting but how you went about it, shows that you have a sense of self importance in a way that is not attractive. Also you always warn us that we might be offended in many of your videos. Say what you will. It's your right. But say it with no excuses and use the platform for movie appreciation not criterion bashing. You are using criterion as your point of reference. Not fair at all.
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Peter, this is a channel about boutique blu-ray labels, so naturally I’m going to talk about the Criterion Collection specifically. If you think think I’m being self important or that it is ridiculous that I simply offer my opinion, by all means feel free to not watch my videos. I’m not bashing any of these films - I even say how much I love and appreciate them. I’m sorry that you were so offended by the video to suggest that my age or time exploring cinema somehow invalidates my opinion. That’s exactly the kind of gatekeeping that needs removing from the film community. Cheers.
@sensitivedogs
2 жыл бұрын
@@ElliotCoen new to film appreciation is something you mention a lot yourself. I was agreeing. And it is not gatekeeping to say how I feel about this particular video you posted. Even if your channel is about boutique labels that does not mean that you have to blame criterion for choosing these titles and say that they overate them. Why stand behind these great blu-ray boutique labels and then bash them for their choices. I'm sorry it doesn't seem to have value for me. And I have stopped watching your channel but paused for this one because of the title. Also you warned the community there will be some backlash on this. Meanwhile in the spirit of community we 'can' disagree and it is too much I felt to do movie reviews of well respected films and knock a boutique label you support for choosing them. I don't see the point of this segment. I really don't. But your opinion is valuable as films on their own without knocking criterion for choosing them.
@AbrasiousProductions
6 ай бұрын
I can't even enjoy breathless, it was dull pretentious drivel that had absolutely oogatz to say.
@AbrasiousProductions
Ай бұрын
@@leedsdevil if you wanna watch genuinely masterful French cinema I highly recommend both Mouchette (1967) & The 400 Blows (1959) they'd make for a fine double feature :)
@AbrasiousProductions
Ай бұрын
@@leedsdevil you won't regret it😁
@LarsPop-Tartus
2 ай бұрын
Rushmore favorite
@cheapcinemachannel4548
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your contrarian opinions. You didn't go the easy route, that's for sure. I kind of agree about Mulholland Drive. It's very good, probably great but also probably overrated. Blue Velvet and Fire Walk With Me are better. Personally I think the best thing he ever directed was the Twin Peaks pilot. With Wes Anderson it's his more modern movies that leave me a bit cold. Rushmore, Tenenbaums and Life Aquatic rank way above Budapest and Dispatch. I wish he'd write with Owen Wilson again.
@Bob-Savage
2 жыл бұрын
This is off topic but I just thought of it - Spielberg Criterion?!. He’s probably the last of the ‘big’ directors to not have any films in the collection. Scorsese, Kubrick, Kurosawa, DePalma… The closest is ‘I wanna hold your hand’ as a producer. Off the top of my head I can only think of ‘The Color Purple’ as a possible candidate… anyone else have a thought??
@cody_t
2 жыл бұрын
Empire of the Sun
@BackstageBackDoor
2 жыл бұрын
Schindler's list would be amazing.
@LJStudioslj
2 жыл бұрын
I’d have to say Rosemary’s Baby. I understand why it’s in the collection and why peolle think it’s great but I’m not a fan of it
@CodPatrol
2 жыл бұрын
Starts off good, gets repetitive towards the end and the “evil” characters seemed gimmicky
@WhirlingMusic
2 жыл бұрын
I just like the theme song. That's about it.
@k-boxmotionpictures1337
2 жыл бұрын
It’s your experience in finding underrated films so that you can rule out gate blocker overrated films and secondly with age we want to refresh some mind buttons and files. I agree with all of your 4 picks except Citizen Kane. After 5 years you will feel same about Vertigo
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
We will see if you’re right about Vertigo! Have loved that now for 8 years and counting… thanks for watching!
@jayash3539
Жыл бұрын
To say a film is no longer great because of it's influence on other films is really a silly thing to say. Seven Samurai laid down a marker and it's influence must be considered when evaluating it's greatness.
@ElliotCoen
Жыл бұрын
Should something great not stand alone on its own merit? I think the film is great! But not because of its influence.
@jayash3539
Жыл бұрын
@Boutique Blu-rays with Elliot Coen Don't you acknowledge in your video that it influenced films you like better? What would those films be without it? And while it should stand alone on its own merit, that cannot be the only standard when measuring greatness.
@WorldsCollide23
2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Normalize finding the French New Wave and Godard overrated. Meandering is right. I understand what the movement did for cinema, but I also dislike when people talk about what came before it as stuffy. Just look at masterpieces like “Children of Paradise.” Nothing stuffy about that film.
@reddykilowatt
2 жыл бұрын
Wes Anderson has become a parody of himself. At this point if you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all. No offense but as a Brit you may not fully appreciate the critique of the notorious American media tycoon William Randolph Hearst that Citizen Kane represents. One film that has me baffled as being one of the greatest movies ever is “Tokyo Story” by Yasujiro Ozu. Given all the high praise it has generated I feel like a cretin for having found it very boring. What am I missing?
@barrymoore4470
2 жыл бұрын
I am a huge Ozu fan, and 'Tokyo Story' is far from my favorite among his works. Even though I do regard the film as a masterpiece, I also think it's overrated. It was loosely adapted or inspired by Leo McCarey's 1937 melodrama 'Make Way for Tomorrow', and I also think that's an overrated picture. Among Ozu's works, I prefer, in chronological order, 'Tokyo Chorus' (1931), 'I Was Born, But...' (1932), 'Passing Fancy' (1933), 'Late Spring' (1949), 'Early Summer' (1951) [my contender for Ozu's single greatest achievement], and 'The Flavor of Green Tea over Rice' (1952).
@reddykilowatt
2 жыл бұрын
@@barrymoore4470 thank you for your recommendations. I will add ‘Early Summer’ to my list. What do think of ‘Floating Weeds’? That one sounded interesting.
@barrymoore4470
2 жыл бұрын
@@reddykilowatt 'Floating Weeds' is a bit of an outlier in Ozu's oeuvre. It is a remake, in color and sound, of the director's 1934 silent feature 'Story of Floating Weeds'. In both cases, the story has a rural setting (not the Tokyo and suburbs typical of Ozu) and transpires among a troupe of travelling actors (not the settled domestic dynamics we associate with Ozu). The film is more overtly dramatic than is usual with Ozu, so those who find his movies slow might enjoy this one more. The color cinematography is beautiful (Ozu was a a subtle master of color), and the performances are compelling. I do think the film is worth a look, though it's not among my favorites by this favorite director.
@gorehound3414
Жыл бұрын
Seven Samurai is a masterpiece, it isn’t the best Japanese film but it is a masterpiece. MullHolland Drive; is a flawless masterpiece. It isn’t even my favourite Lynch probably ranking 5th, that’s only because some of his films feel more personal to me. I don’t understand how MullHolland Drive can’t leave you emotionally blown away.
@benskelly8892
2 жыл бұрын
Well, you could not be more wrong about The Royal Tenenbaums, lol…. It is Wes Anderson’s best, most emotionally satisfying film. And the Citizen Kane take, while very trendy now, I disagree with as well… But, hey, I always enjoy your videos. And the other choices I agree with - I think everything by David Lynch other than Eraserhead is overrated. Truth be told there are many Criterion titles that are skating on an intellectual reputation that does not translate to an entertaining, well-told story. I would say 90% of Kubrick’s work is overrated, including….oops. Opinions, no two are alike.
@treytison1444
8 ай бұрын
1. People adapting and refining a classic doesn't take away from the original or make it overrated. 2. I get that this movie could be called overrated. It has memorable scenes and stuff but there's not a ton of substance. 3. The Royal Tenenbaums is still Wes Anderson's best film. It has a ton of great themes in it about family relationships, jealousy, fears, and desire. And it still manages to have a bunch of funny stuff in it. 4. I agree that Mulholland Drive might not be David Lynch's best movie but I don't hear many people who try to argue that it is. I think it's one of his most emotional ones though and I'm surprised you don't feel anything when watching it. 5. If it's hugely influential and ahead of it's time I'm not really sure how it can be overrated. Once again I don't really see how a movie can be greatness when it comes out but then after it gets older it loses what makes it special. The cinematography still looks good and that's what matters. Plus to be overrated, I feel like film snobs have to bring it up all the time and I really don't hear it brought up all that much. I'd really expect something more like bicycle Thieves to appear on a list like this, hell there's even a running joke in The Player of film snobs constantly bringing it up and saying the title wrong. But idk, I think all of these movies are pretty incredible, the only two I'm not like incredibly wowed by are Citizen Kane though I appreciate the cinematography a lot and Breathless which I enjoy moderately but it's not one of my favorites.
@codenamecatatonic8894
Ай бұрын
I remember stepping out of my film class during “Breathless”😂 That burned feeling of being oversold on a “documentary” style b/w home movie.
@CosasdeOswaldo
Жыл бұрын
05:50 "I think some people will have clicked off by this point, but let's continue, I want to enrage more people." Hahahaha, best words in the entire video.
@leo8273
Жыл бұрын
bro has no taste
@ElliotCoen
Жыл бұрын
You mean bad taste, not no taste. Get it right, come on!
@thecinematicmind
2 жыл бұрын
I predict either BFI Sight & Sound will pick Vertigo again or Tokyo Story or 2001 will top the list.
@GlenHallstrom
Жыл бұрын
Ya didn't get me until Kane. Then again, I kind of expected it. I'm just glad you didn't say Welles was overrated.
@leninsanchez7167
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call these movies "overrated". Based on your arguments, at least 60% of the criterion collection would be overrated. In México we have a word we use which is "quemado", Something that is known to everyone and everyone talks about it, and can sometimes blind us from other things that can be equally as great or better. But overrated is something that is highly rated or regarded and does not deserve the title. Some of the movies you mention here are vital to film history and are landmarks of the art, and you can't call history overrated. I think I get what you're trying to communicate with this video, I just don't think overrated is the right word for the likes of Seven samurai, Breathless, or Citizen Kane.
@thombendtsen399
25 күн бұрын
Citizen Kane may be an important film for people that are interested in filmmaking, but it’s not a great movie, especially for modern audiences
@toms9453
2 жыл бұрын
Hope you don’t get any hate for this. Feel like you have solid reasoning behind all of your comments. I agree for the most part, I even agree with you on Godard, although for me Breathless just remains effortlessly cool. I really enjoy the American remake of Breathless as well. I love Kane but it’s totally overrated you’re 100% on that one. I’ve felt the same way you do about Seven Samurai since I first saw it, only difference is that 3 and a half hours was a slog for me to get through. I haven’t seen a ton by Kurosawa but Rashomon is absolutely better in every way than Seven Samurai.
@ElliotCoen
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Tom. I think I’d agree that Rashomon is the better film, and the one I’d be more likely to watch often.
@iio58
6 ай бұрын
You could say most of them are overrated. Movies, like music are subjective. What’s great to one person is crap to another. So you could say most of them are. Out of the 30 or so criterion’s I own, any of the ones I bought by reputation never lived up, and have never been watched again. So I gave up buying on supposed greatness or reputation. Back to what I’ve already watched and know i like. CK i agree with. No doubt great in its time but it’s so hard to watch now and an utter bore fest. RT I hated when I first saw it at the cinema. But now I love it. Same with MD to be honest - although I don’t say I love it, but I can enjoy it now. Straight Story is wonderful. I’ve introduced so many people to that movie. Everyone has enjoyed it 👍🏻
@mikedbigame3398
3 ай бұрын
Great picks. I agree on each and for similar reasons.... Citizen Kane is a great film, and technically outclasses its peers of the time period. But I guarantee you, if you let a person who knows nothing about the history of film, watch Casablanca, Rebecca and How Green was my Valley, along with Citizen Kane most people would select Citizen Kane as their least favorite of the films... Seven Samurai isn't geeater than High and Low, Ikiru or Rashomon, IMO, it's just more epic.
@N17-y4s
2 жыл бұрын
Being there. Has a couple of good moments but overall fell flat for me
@waltersboxx
2 жыл бұрын
Talked my children who hated old or black and white films into watching at least five minutes Seven Samurai before leaving the room; they were still there three hours later.
@princesmith8008
Жыл бұрын
Lol nice, my cousin hates black and white too. Made him watch only 10 minutes of "Strangers on a Train" and then I left the room as I had some stuff to do. When I came back 2-3 hours later, he was watching it for the second time.
@Jurry253
2 ай бұрын
Nah this is based as hell the only one that hurt is Mulholland Dr. but when I think about it, it’s my third favorite Lynch film so technically I’d agree that it’s overrated but I still love it (and connect with it emotionally as well as intellectually) so much. But yeah, otherwise I’m with you 110%.
@balto8111
Ай бұрын
Despite the showy staging of its second half, he first hour of Mullholand Drive simply cannot disguise what it really is: a pilot for a cancelled TV series.
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