At self defense range, 22LR is a SERIOUS deterrent yet will not completely deafen you like a 357 magnum. Thank you for the valid points and objective opinion.
@Azeminad
Жыл бұрын
Putting 8 shots of 22lr on target is a heck of a lot better than missing with a 44 magnum!
@thomasbrown7728
Жыл бұрын
That’s a concern of mine also.
@Treblaine
3 ай бұрын
It's gotten people into trouble as it's presented in court that they "ignored" certain things said to them when likely they were so deafened they couldn't clearly hear anything quieter than a shout.
@sneak916
Ай бұрын
@@Azeminador you can just get good and hit them with the 44
@JHSSpanishDrama
2 жыл бұрын
Some range notes to add to this discussion based on some range trips: -LCR in 9mm: out of 50 rounds of AAC 9mm, three rounds that didn’t fire -LCR in .357: one failure to fire with Armscor 357 due to a jumped crimp -LCR in 22LR: no failures to fire with Federal Punch, CCI Mini Mags, Aguila bulk pack, Federal bulk pack, CCI Quiet 22, and Aguila Colibri. I’ve lost count of how many rounds I’ve fired through it, but it’s just so easy to reload and keep shooting with those bulk boxes. Thank you Rhett for the insight!
@northernninety7
Жыл бұрын
Stop buying bottom of the barrel ammo.
@tacocat9472
2 жыл бұрын
I never considered a revolver but you have me sold. I’m not a door kicker LEO so I just need a tool to “break contact”. First heard you on the Primary Seconds podcast and that blew my mind! I usually carry a G19 but it is wearing me down. So a small caliber pistol has its place for sure for a regular citizen.
@Keith_C51
7 ай бұрын
Yep, agreed! I used to carry a Glock 19 and hated it! It’s heavy, bulky, and uncomfortable to carry! After a couple of hours I wanted to chuck that damn thing off my hip. I now carry a S&W 442 in .38 special, but am seriously considering moving to a .22lr revolver. 8 shots at center mass in very quick succession with no recoil and very little noise is a huge positive. Plus, I’d rather defend myself to a jury in a self defense shooting with the “lowly .22lr revolver” than to defend myself with a “high capacity super cool tactical” Glock.
@JJ-dc7tt
3 ай бұрын
That's the point. If you are an LEO going into battle that's one thing. But the CCW person is not doing that. Bad guys come in groups of 2 or more these days, but a gun to begin with, and then 8 shots should solve your problem. Very little chance, I'd think, of having to reload in a self defense scenario. But I do carry a Speed Beez reloading kit in my car, just in case.
@bigredjeepyj3436
2 жыл бұрын
Might not agree with everything you discussed, but thanks for putting together a coherent and logical argument to the merits of these 22 Snubbies. It's a rare thing to see online these days. Definitely gives me some things to think about....
@yardsale09
2 жыл бұрын
So let me get this straight...if we understand the general limits of the caliber and choose MODERN and QUALITY ammo and guns....a .22lr is a viable option? I was a ney sayer or at least skeptical for a while...but then something clicked. At first I was like .22lr means you gotta hit the head or center of mass with several shots...then I realized that 9mm requires the same thing but has a little more margin of error....but don't count on that margin. If you gotta hit the same spots at least 2-3 times with either caliber....lower recoil and lower cost. You can shoot almost twice as fast with a .22lr than a 9mm.... you make up for it with more shots on target faster (and you can afford to train!).
@cagneybillingsley2165
2 жыл бұрын
there is absolutely zero reason to carry anything other than a 9mm semi auto micro compact up to a compact. zero. it's the most optimal of every aspect of self defense. inb4 wut if brigade with their million different highly improbably reasons why they have to carry 2 REVOLVERS instead
@xavierbreath2227
2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention 3 more rounds to shoot.
@rickrobinson8417
2 жыл бұрын
@@cagneybillingsley2165 omg
@JA-oo9qp
Жыл бұрын
@@cagneybillingsley2165 What did you carry before 9mm?
@em-rx1wy
Жыл бұрын
@@cagneybillingsley2165 Derp!
@WellDressedCaveman
2 жыл бұрын
Got an SP101 in .357 mag. Great gun...passes your test. Got a Beretta 21a in .22, never had a malfunction, but I know 1 is coming. Ruger Wrangler in .22...don't like it, selling. Walther in .22...mags are trash, selling. I'll be putting the $$$ into the Ruger. Love your vids man...keep em coming!
@ag1382
Жыл бұрын
Caliber beside, a revolver will never have a stovepipe failure to feed, failure to eject, riding a thumb on slide, limp writing failure, and no tap/rack clearing weapon just pull trigger again.
@defensivepistolscience1344
2 жыл бұрын
Rhett sounds like an insurance adjuster, and they are right ALOT of the time
@jsirius94
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the content you put out exploring alternatives to the more mainstream carry options. I've been shifting my mindset a little to be more open to the guns I will actually carry and can actually afford to train with.
@thomasholohan4090
2 жыл бұрын
I agree that the issue of 22lr "unreliability" has been illogically overemphasized. If one uses high quality ammo such as CCI, Eley, Lapua, et al., failures are extremely rare. For the compulsive, there are the costlier competition grade ammo choices - competitive pistol shooters will NOT tolerate ammo failures that might cost them a regional or national championship, and the manufacturers know this. There are additional benefits to 22lr in indoor home defense situations including low muzzle flash, and decreased likelihood of temporary or permanent hearing loss. The Israeli air marshals and the Mossad demonstrated the effective use of 22lr Beretta pistols long ago.
@everydaycarrymonkey2691
2 жыл бұрын
Terrific video, dude! My wife's EDC is also a Ruger LCR 22lr. We've found a fun tip when practicing rapid fire trigger reset drills at our range (which allows double taps but not rapid firing): Aguila Colibris! They can't hear them at the front of the range counter! So we bring a box or two and train rapid fire trigger reset drills with our Ruger 22lr wheel guns (mine's an LCRx 3"). Practice makes perfect! 😁
@larrylabair5996
2 жыл бұрын
I own a lot of handguns in a lot of calibers and im startting to rely on my 22 cal snub for for ccw now for the reasons you say i have become more recoil sensitive as i get older and i can shoot better with 22 lr or 22mag just use top of the line ammo its nice to hear a voice of reason
@krashdude1
9 ай бұрын
I bought a new Ruger LCRx snubbie in 22 magnum. Trigger would lock up...Found out that it was not that uncommon. Ruger fixed it no questions.
@AK-ky3ou
2 жыл бұрын
What a great video and I’m a big time .38 spl guy.
@slant6guy
2 жыл бұрын
Folks who "bag" on the .22 maybe forget back in the Summer of 1968 that Robert Francis Kennedy was murdered with a .22 caliber Iver-Johnson Cadet revolver. Just got a Ruger LCR .22 LR, plus installed Hogue Tamer Bantam grip = no regrets / 'regerts' as the .22 LR is an excellent caliber for up-close ENT (Eyes, Nose, Throat) BadGuy Social-Work. Good video here!
@adamhuff9770
Жыл бұрын
P&S guy.. is that you?? I read this in your voice lmao
@B_R_
Жыл бұрын
Right, Bobby Kennedy was ambushed and murdered from a distance of 1ft with 8+ shots fired by a guy who was not being shot at. If you're planning on ambushing someone with your self defense tool, a 22 will probably work. If someone is shooting you with a 9mm and trying to murder YOU, and you're lucky enough to be able to fire one shot to try to save your life, or your kids, do you really want it to be a 22? No honest person would say yes.
@44Mag
8 ай бұрын
You make many valid points. I carried a little NAA .22LR mini-revolver for about 10 years while working for a company that did not allow guns on property. Once the LCP came out, I switched over to one of those. I like the .22LR and have no issues with it for defense. (as they say, anything is better than asking your assailant to wait 5-6 minutes for the police to show up to save you) My wife carries a S&W model 317 (.22LR with 1.8" barrel) She only shoots it in double action and can keep all the shots on a paper plate at 5 yards, and most days at 7 yards. She does indeed short-stoke the trigger at the range when she is trying to shoot too fast. Another issue she has is when she is squeezing the trigger too slow, (trying for a tighter group) and then lets off the pressure a little, (due to lack of hand strength, and the stiff trigger in a .22LR) which causes it to be out of time, and she has to move on to the next round. - Both of these problems are just training issues like you point out. I carry a model 640-1 Pro Series (typically with .38's in it) - I am going to the gun show this weekend and planning to get a few more snubbies. (.22mag and/or .22LR and maybe an air weight .38 as well.) I like the 640-1 I have but am keen to try a lighter gun for a change. I carry in a horizontal holster at the 12 o'clock position, and a lightweight may carry better there. I started out carrying a 1911 (like my Army issue one) and I used to shoot revolvers for bullseye shooting only. I then moved to various wonder-nine stuff, and lately I have been embracing revolvers again. I found the solution to only having 5 shots in my snubby was to also carry an LCP in one pocket and 2 spare mags in the other pocket. (It just gives me peace-o- mind. I also like the idea of being able to casually put my hand in my pocket and having a firing grip on the gun when the spidey-sense kicks in. Doing this, I can draw and get 2 shots on target in under 2 seconds. (which is not too shabby for an old man I think) (The wife does not carry any spare ammo for her .22LR)
@Vtfilamguy
2 жыл бұрын
I carry a Beretta 21A would love to give it a snubnose friend. Thank you for the great presentation as always.
@judsonm1231
2 жыл бұрын
The most Based information on KZitem. But maybe I’m biased, currently carrying a 43c.
@michaelschaffer9165
Жыл бұрын
There's a great little speedloader for the LCR 22. REVISION CV Ammo Pods. I drop one of those in my pocket whenever I carry the LCR22. Also Tuff Products makes a 10 round strip that fits fine. I leave a couple of the holes empty for better clearance with the cylinder. I load the strip 2 empty 2 empty 4 works good.
@kfsrmn
2 жыл бұрын
I have been shooting quite a bit of 22lr in my LCR and LCP2. The LCR is more reliable as it hits the rim harder than the LCP2 even after changing springs. The more I shoot 22lr the more I am impressed with the speed and hit ration.
@lifeonmars03
2 жыл бұрын
Nice! My backup carry is taurus 856 ul 38 spec. Love how light it is at times.
@michaelkoets2414
2 жыл бұрын
You make some great points, thanks for the vids. Been going through all of your recent .22LR vids. Looks like I need a Ruger LCR now 🤷🏻♂️
@kbkesq
Жыл бұрын
I carry 22mag Smith and wesson 351c. The nickel plated federal punch ammo comes out nicely.
@UncleDanBand64
2 жыл бұрын
I have carried an 8 shot 22mag snubby. The ejection was never a concern for me as reloading would be highly unlikely in defense. You make some good points and I would take rimfire over a pocket 380 any day. I think with micro 9's like the Hellcat and P365....they are a better option but, a 22 can do the job. One point though, 5 shots of 357 is going to have more get a thug to room temperature in a hurry than a whole box of 22. So, there is that. I say carry what you like and the main thing is how good you are with it. A 22 in the boiler room is way more better than a miss with a 44👍
@kenhughes4715
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100%. Thank you for posting!
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel
2 жыл бұрын
i love my 9 shot h&r and when i was hard up and other ammo wasnt around i carried it because it will do the job
@joemedic710
Жыл бұрын
Great advise on the Ruger LCR 22lr! I just did the shoe glue DIY and it was a good look...... Thanks again.
@user-bd5nb5ht2p
7 ай бұрын
Love mine. Accuracy needs practice. Lots of it. Misfires are rare. Casings swell so maybe tight to eject sometimes; save your shells.
@rickmaldoo4205
2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine CC's a 22 revolver.....he calls her OL' Painless
@kevinm.6015
2 жыл бұрын
I have limited experience on the topic, but I did own a lightweight Taurus snub in 44 special. It was ported and the muzzle flash was blinding in low light, and if I shot it one-handed the bullets would creep out of the case and by round three or four ammo was longer than the cylinder and the gun would jamb.
@ep6606
Жыл бұрын
My snubby always goes off, sometimes too early, but no big deal.
@cdlund2840
2 жыл бұрын
I think you make some valid points although the LCR is more prone to the short stroke user error because of the lighter return spring. Not much of an issue for long time revolver shooter. I carry a 2" K frame model 10 myself for some of the same reasons you describe. I almost picked up an 8 round Taurus 942 22lr. I should have. I can add that having shot 22lr for over 50 years I have never had a dud round, maybe I am just lucky? I only carry nickel cased self defense ammo because it is "slicker" than brass and will help eliminate cases sticking during reloads and you should always hit the ejector hard with a palm when reloading any revolver. Do not use a thumb.
@byhsu6140
8 ай бұрын
Good points, just want to add that i tilt the gun, so when u press the ejector, gravity is also helping me eject those spent cases.
@kbkesq
9 ай бұрын
7:04 this is so true. My smith and Wesson 22 mag will not eject anything but the federal punch nickel plated. That means practicing with the practice ammo is a drag. I’ve never had a problem with 38 or 357 ejecting. But I mostly use moon clips.
@samdone2900
2 жыл бұрын
There might be a strong case for the weaker .32s A .6 shot 32 S&W long loaded with target wadcutters is a nice compromise that I would trust more then a .22. I agree about quality .22 ammo reliability. I shot 1000rds of Aguila Super Extra through my G44 without a single malfunction. Bulk pack stuff is really hit or miss.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
I’d love it if it weren’t a buck a round, but hours and rounds of training is most important to me.
@Paelorian
2 жыл бұрын
.32 Long full-wadcutters cause much more tissue damage than .22LR FMJs. We're starting to see premium .22LR ammo that reliably penetrates to minimum standards. But Buffalo Bore sells 100gr .32 Long wadcutters, standard pressure, that penetrate 18"+ in gel. Not only is .32 a larger diameter, but wadcutters do more damage in tissue than FMJs. The rounded tip of FMJs pushes more flesh aside undamaged compared to the flat face and 90° edge of a full wadcutter, which makes for larger wound channels. The new Federal Punch .22LR has a flat tip that helps increase the wound channel a little. .22LR is cheaper and more available to shoot than anything, but .32 Long wadcutters remain available due to round's historic popularity in target shooting, despite the round having fallen out of favor for personal defense. It never should have, I believe it might be the most underrated pistol round in existence. It outperforms every other low-recoil round. Great for ultralight revolvers and recoil-sensitive shooters. The video makes some great points in favor of .22LR snubbies. Ammo costs can put it over the top. But I really like .32s, myself. .32 Long and .32 H&R Magnum. I might be biased against .22LR due to it's history of underpenetration out of short barrels in defensive encounters. That reputation is based on traditional ammo. The arrival of rounds like Federal Punch .22LR that can penetrate adequately out of a snubnose make .22LR much more viable. That said, I'd be far more comfortable with a .32 Long. I understand that cartridge power doesn't matter most of the time, as most stops are psychological (people mentally stop fighting after being shot, though their bodies are physically capable of resistance), and the most important metric of cartridge performance is sufficient penetration depth to reach vital organs. But still, we can't depend on threats to retreat when presented with a firearm or even after being shot. We need our rounds to perform and cause blood loss, and even the best .22LR is a poor performer. I'm of the opinion that there's no reason to carry a .25 ACP when .32 ACP offers the same benefits and is far more potent at stopping threats. .22LR is similar to .25 ACP. In revolvers, .32s offer higher capacity and less recoil without making the severe sacrifice in performance that going to .22LR entails. Also, rimfire revolvers have heavier triggers. It's necessary for reliable ignition. As for the cost argument, there are people who use it against every other handgun caliber. For them, more ammo at the range to perfect shot placement is everything. But there are good reasons that this is considered an extreme position and standard for defensive carry is 9mm hollow-point rounds that are capable of much more tissue damage than .22LR FMJ mouseguns. .32 is a great pick, and I stand up for it against those who sneer at anything less than a .38/.380. But I wouldn't carry anything weaker than .32 Long for defense against men (instead of small animals like snakes). .32 Long is as low recoil as I think I'd ever need, and performance takes a nosedive with anything weaker. We're generally talking about little backup guns here, most likely to be used at contact distance, so the argument that I could shoot several times as much ammo isn't as important to me. While this may be a primary carry weapon for deep concealment or when wearing unuusal clothing that makes concealment difficult (like swimwear), with this kind of gun I'd generally have something larger and more capable on me. Or maybe I'd be in a low-risk situation where I'm very comfortable, too comfortable for my primary handgun. The point being, a small-caliber snubnose or little .32 automatic mousegun isn't the gun for extensive practice to master shooting at range. Traditionally, guns like this have crappy or even non-existent sights, though all carry guns should have good sights. These are guns expected to be used in a desperate struggle at such a close range that you can't miss. Although I could shoot a .22LR more accurately, a .32 would be more effective in this role.
@mikef3808
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, thats why I carry a 32. Mine is a Charter Arms Undercoverette, very happy with it. My Charter has not had issues but my SP-101 that cost significantly more had to take a trip back to the factory.
@TheCelestialWolf
2 жыл бұрын
32 is a criminally underrated caliber. I don't run the 32 caliber revolver cartridges, but rather the 32acp. I trust my little Beretta just as much as my 9mm. That being said, I carry a 22wmr more than everything else combined. Can't beat a NAA mini's concealability and comfort.
@sissydreams7494
2 жыл бұрын
@@Paelorian I'd love a 327FedMag LCR. However, the cost and (even more so) lack of availability in my area of 32 S&W Long wadcutters and H&R magnum ammo is a real problem. I've thought of getting into re-loading, but I can't even get access to components at a reasonable cost. Your argument is solid, though. I'm in complete agreement. I'd love a 6-shot LCR with 32 S&W Long wadcutters.
@kbkesq
Жыл бұрын
Great point about full length extractor. You really do home in on the most salient points. Love your maverick views on 22lr, snubby revolvers, laser sights. I’d love to see you do a video on pocket carry and optimizing it. It’s the only way to carry for me. You’ll outdraw me every day and shoot me in the eye but I’m counting on 99.9% of criminals being less adept than you!
@silverback3926
2 жыл бұрын
My lcrx 3 inch 22lr is uber reliable. I use Revision CV ammo pod speed loaders for it They are great and carry well in the pocket Now i will say my ruger lcpII 22lr has been just as reliable buy i am have more faith in my lcrx. It just plain works all the time. Neve had an issue with thunderbolt rounds. Sp101 has full length ejector.
@JJ-dc7tt
3 ай бұрын
ALSO ... never buy a .22lr in semi-auto. Revolver only.
@ericbc7
Жыл бұрын
This is why I like the lcr 9mm with moon clips, all the empties come out if any come out.
@mikehernandez4275
Жыл бұрын
Moon clips tend to have more failures. Clips can bend easily and also bullets can get pushed back into casings
@glenmo1
Жыл бұрын
The failure of the revolver ejector start to push the empty cases out is only a concern for reloading! Most of the time you don't need to reload five or six or more seven or eight.. is plenty.. also I can suggest you get a 3 inch barrel snubby instead which has a full length ejector rod
@bryuchiha1617
2 жыл бұрын
I was working towards something with my channel 2 and seems like I got some haters who is trying to stop me from doing what I was trying to do the post more on my channel keep up the informational videos!!!!!!
@christophersuzor6838
4 ай бұрын
Guess im the only Charter Arms Pathfinder Snubby guy here so ill say great little gun on the cheap...modern 22 ammo will do its job ill bet my life on it😮
@artwebb6939
2 жыл бұрын
The comments on recoil are definitely on point, that's why I carry wad-cutters in my j frame This has also precluded cartridges getting stuck in the chambers, however occasionally one will still hang up on the grip during ejection I've been looking for an LCR 22, but so far the only one I've seen in my area was the lcrx in 22 Mag, which as you noted has some of the same problems as the 38, and does not have the cost advantage of the 22LR
@dividualist
Жыл бұрын
Same here. Underwood 150 gr wadcutters in my 442, and Federal Hydra-Shok 110 gr JHPs in a speed strip.
@larrylabair5996
Жыл бұрын
I have a sw 43c and a sw 351pd that has been my ccw guns but just the other day I found 2 ruger lcr guns a man wanted to sell very cheap brand new in box 1 was a 22lr and the other one is 22 mag . I went out and shot about 250 rounds out of both I shoot the rugers better than the SW they are now my go to guns thanks for all your vids you are spot on with your advise
@anonymouscitizen9630
Жыл бұрын
Failure to reset the trigger mostly happens on Colts & Rugers, not so much on S&W. I think I know a thing or two about this, since I have all three top contenders.
@Joeak74
2 жыл бұрын
Another awesome presentation! Thanks for taking the time to create it. I've shared it too. Now... The thing that Ive heard over the years that I've ALWAYS disagreed with is some of the following statements... "If it ain't a 45 ACP it ain't shit!" "22LR will only piss you off if you got shot with it." " A 45 ACP is a man stopper. don't ever forget that." "My 1911 can stop anything." " If it isn't a 44 mag, it aint shit.", Blah, blah, blah. We've all hear these ans more. HOWEVER, how many folks do you know actually pack that heater? Most folks get tired of a heavy gun pulling their pants down, so they won't pack it. That's really dumb. I would much rather have a super light weight 22LR, or 22Mag revolver any day.
@rubbercheck72
2 жыл бұрын
Long live the snubby!
@justinbjork5682
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a Smith .22 with 10 rounds. But it’s a boss level revolver.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
🤣. Definitely a ‘final bad guy’ gun
@silverback3926
2 жыл бұрын
I have to say that for years i have been considering the 22lr as a viable ccw option. In all reality when is your everyday citizen going to encounter a street war type situation ? Having a weapon that you will carry all day everyday. Round capacity. The 22lr revolver eapecially these lcrs are optimum. So light and compact i carry all the time in every situation. Reloads i carry revision cv ammo pod speed loaders . At least two Yes slow and i probably wint need them but they are small convenient and give me a warm fuzzy feeling . I cam practice to the point of boredom with 22lr. Yes lcpii is auper reliable but my lcr is 100% In the past i bought into the bigger is better and combat weapons. Carrying is not as convenient and with tweaking it for upgrades insanely expensive. Recently i have been understanding that most of what we get is an advertisement trying to get us to part ways with our hard earned money. I am thinking my collection gets widdled down to a my 17L as a SHTF gun, ar15, shotgun. The rest are 22lrs. 16 inch riffle. Ine that shares mags with companion pistol. Thats why i have created a 16 inch cp33 with a companion cp33 pistol. My p17 hasnt found a logical spot in my rotation yet. It is reliable but what role will it serve that my lcrx and lcpii cant? Not sure yet. Lastly a henry h001 lever gun. As i gry older the shotgun will have to find a new home. In short i think we have all been forced fed the koolaid . For yoyr average civilian a 22lr will serve you well. Just practice practice practice! You know the old saying. Beware a man with only one gun!
@4thbx
2 жыл бұрын
Compelling argument and you didn't go where I thought you would! A revolver with 8 shots rotates the cylinder 45 degrees between chambers while a 5 shot rotates 72 degrees. Less rotation means the revolvers pawl and trigger have less travel. It should be harder to induce a malfunction by not fully resetting the trigger. Correct?
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t notice a difference in the feel of the lcr22 vs the lcr38
@michaelschaffer9165
2 жыл бұрын
Revision CV Ammo Pods. Great little pocketable speedloader for LC2 22LR
@Treblaine
3 ай бұрын
There's way too much worry about 22 not being enough. It is a limitation but there's higher priorities on the list of concerns. After the 1986 Miami Shootout the FBI researchers recommendations did not actually recommend bigger projectiles, they recommended penetration of 12-18 inches and increase the number of hits to the heart/lung area, with number of possible hits to this area being far more important than more expansion. The FBI top-brass went to 10mm/.40 because the tactical guys wanted a big mushrooming bullet anyway and only those big cartridges could reliably expand and penetrate enough. They just kinda handwaved the issue of a heavier recoiling round impeding accuracy and rate of fire as, I guess, "skill issue". Accuracy is so much more important than expansion because there's as much bloodflow to the lungs as through the entire rest of the body. You're far more likely to hit the heart or another large pulmonary blood vessel with another well aimed shot than with a slightly larger projectile. If you're not significantly impeding accuracy, speed, capacity, penetration or reliability, then sure, go for a larger cartridge.
@platoplombo15
2 жыл бұрын
You make good points. My 2.25 inch barrel, 7 round .32 wheelie started life as a 4 inch. Had a Smith clip it so I'd have that full length ejection rod in a snub platform. I wouldn't recommend the .32 unless you roll your own due to cost and availability. If I could just get past the jarring juxtaposition of 'polymer' and 'revolver' I'd give that LCR .22 a shot.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an awesome gun! You should really give the LCR a chance. It won’t disappoint
@everydaycarrymonkey2691
2 жыл бұрын
In the LCR series, only the lower frame (primary the grip) is polymer. Everything else is aluminum alloy and stainless steel depending on the caliber. In the case of the 22lr, the lower frame is polymer, upper housing is aluminum, and hammer, trigger, cylinder, and barrel are all stainless steel. They're incredibly durable and lightweight guns!
@glenmo1
Жыл бұрын
A modern high quality revolver that is cleaned and lubed.. maintained.. loaded with well crimped.. modern jacketed ammo the chances of your revolver locking up are NIL . Semi-automatics have a chance of experiencing stoppages.. and while you can practice jam clearing drills.. if you ever experienced a double feed with a semi-auto you'll realize if this happened in the middle of a firefight you might as well throw the gun at the bad guy.. by the time you got the double feed cleared you'd be Swiss cheese.. to clear a double feed. You must first realize the type of stoppage you just experienced.. then you must lock the slide open put your finger or an object in through the ejection port..push round number two back into the magazine.. so you can drop the magazine in clear the brass that's in the chamber... This is definitely not viable in the middle of a firefight... No thank you I'd rather trust the revolver six for sure.. or in the case of some snubbs 5 for sure.. and don't forget some revolvers carry 7 to 8 rounds!
@timroot4207
2 жыл бұрын
Thank You !!!
@ababab678
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video
@carlton503
Жыл бұрын
Great video👍👏👏
@philippicphilodox888
2 жыл бұрын
I think anticipation of recoil is a major contributor to short stroking the trigger, probably second only to unfamiliarity and attempting to shoot to reset like a striker-fired pistol. I have a pre-lock S&W 317 that I use for when I ankle carry. Fully loaded, the thing weighs about the same as a potato chip, which is the most important thing for ankle carry. It's going to stay put much better than a heavier gun. That is tangentially related to reliability; it will reliably be exactly where you left it if you ever need it.
@Reshtarc
Жыл бұрын
I have been carrying my LCR.22LR sense 2014. With 2 speed loaders W/Fed punch .22lr. In a IWB Don't Tread On Me Holster company CC6. Touch of glow in the dark paint on the front site. Works great for me.
@jacklowe3788
8 ай бұрын
Good info video!
@michaelschaffer9165
2 жыл бұрын
I guess practicing the failure drill ( 2 to the sternum, 1 to the eyebox) should be the standard drill when you're committed to 22lr.
@kbkesq
Жыл бұрын
My 351c only extracts easily with the punch nickel plated rounds. But my 8 shot 357mag SW327PC drops rounds with moonclip.
@Joeak74
Жыл бұрын
Here we are June 12th 3023. How many rounds through that LCR now? Any issues? I love mine. Im only at about 1200 rounds. No issues.
@ongridself-reliantfamily1751
2 жыл бұрын
Have you looked into the 9mm version? The big upsides being short case length for fully clearing on the ejector stroke, and also the moon clips mean no chance of the ejector skipping over the rim. Also, the moon clips should allow for a pretty fast reload, I would think at least as quick as speed loaders. The only reason I didn't go this route myself is cost. i went with matching LC9s for my wife and me (for the redundancy and parts commonality), and the price delta between that and a pair of LCRs in 9mm drove that decision. If I was going to do a backup for my LC9s, it would likely be the LCR in 9mm for the common ammo. I would love to hear you thoughts though. You always bring a unique and intelligent perspective to the table.
@yardsale09
2 жыл бұрын
The whole point of using a 22 long rifle as your defensive caliber is that it is incredibly cheap to shoot. That means that you can train consistently and with high round volumes with each training session. Even if you can't get to the range a 22 long rifle has virtually no recoil so your dry fire training or training with an airsoft gun will be more of a one-to-one training experience. You also have to understand that Rhett is taking a completely different mindset with modern 22 long rifle calibers like the Federal punch. These modern 22 long rifle loadings get you consistent penetration that is on par with other calibers but it will not expand so you are not relying on any sort of expansionary mechanisms to incapacitate your target you're relying on being able to put two to four rounds either in the center of mass or their head almost instantly with a gun that does not recoil and a gun that you can afford to train with practically every other weekend if your schedule permits or a gun when fired has no recoil (meaning that your dry fire or airsoft trainer training will match a real life experience fairly closely.)
@frugalsoul9984
2 жыл бұрын
So I tried a 9mm revolver. I couldn't find a convenient concealed way to carry a moon clip that wouldn't occasionally get bent. And a bent moon clip will jam your gun up.
@rickpollard1853
Жыл бұрын
I carry two loaded moon clips in a prescription bottle which goes in my right front pocket. Works great. I also train with a moon clip on the pinkie of my support hand fire 5 and reload. I also have separate clips for training and carry to prevent using a bent moon clip for carry.
@xavierbreath2227
2 жыл бұрын
A tweezer alternative would be .327 lcr. Shoots .32 long too. 6 bullet capacity.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
It’s an excellent gun. I’d rather have my cheap available ammo and 2 more shots per cylinder. I don’t hate those that choose the other.
@JJ-dc7tt
3 ай бұрын
nice
@cupajoe7258
2 жыл бұрын
I carry a 6 shot .357 magnum 3 inch 25 oz charter arms as my primary. I like my carry choice, but I have carried 22 revolvers in the past, and I may again in the future. 1 counter point, going to a 3 inch barrel does give improved extraction in many guns without greatly affecting the ability to carry the gun unless it's carried in a pocket. 1 additional point in the 22's favor. heavy bullets in lightweight guns can pull the bullet forward out of the case on recoil binding up the gun. a full power .357 or 38+p or anything 40 cal and above should be tried extensively for this failure before a carry load is selected and you may still produce this failure if the factory forgot to crimp one of the rounds. As to why I carry a .357 instead of a .22, well, I only have one handgun and I like to keep my logistics simple. .357 magnum and 38 special cover 80% of all my logistics needs from cheap plinking, to training, to firearms my family can enjoy, to deer hunting, some types of competition etc. I cast my own bullets and can shoot more often for less money than buying a bunch of different calibers and my 38/.357 offers a lot more versatility than a .22.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@rfdsrd
2 жыл бұрын
I have/had a gaggle of centerfire handguns - .38spl/.357mag, 9mm, .45acp - I can handle all comfortably in a non-threatening situation, dunno about confrontations as none have occurred, yet. My prime concerns with any centerfire handgun is the noise level factor along with certain recoil disadvantages. There are way too many benefits and positives for a .22LR CCW/SD revolver to ignore these dayze, as brought to my attention via this channel. I have an LCR22 coming, along with a Hogue green laser. Let my training begin - it's up to me alone to decide what's the better and more overall effective CCW/SD for .... me.
@jxxxx1413
2 жыл бұрын
Boss level... love the 22lr content... run my 2" and 3" lcr/ lcrx weekly... also had my 2" & 3" taurus 856 ultralites (yes I found a 3"UL) to 9mm & run moonclips. I'm struggling with whether to EDC my 22lr LCR or my 856UL 9mm - help....
@frugalsoul9984
2 жыл бұрын
Both. Double hedge your bets.
@junkyardog6621
2 жыл бұрын
Only thing I dissagree with is the chambering. .22 lr vs/ .22 magnum. The .22 lr rounds typically are a different quality control. 9/10 magnums will go off but the long rifle rounds are hit and miss. My .22 mag NAA stays with me at all times and has even made its way through security checkpoints and handful of times.
@jakedistlehorst6190
2 жыл бұрын
On my own LCR, I’ve fired a wide range of different ammo. Federals new Punch .22 LR, CCI Stinger, Mini-Mag, Rem. bulk pack, Winchester bulk pack, and some Aguila bulk. I have reached about 600ish rounds on my LCR, and haven’t experienced any failures to fire.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
If talking about bulk ammo, I agree. Reality is that the punch IS held to defense ammo QC standards and is still cheaper than the cheapest 22mag loads. 8k rounds without failure and the issue discussed at the 6:25 mark.
@WellDressedCaveman
2 жыл бұрын
Ok...video request. Ruger PC Charger in 9mm, with AR style buffer tube stock, indeed of pistol brace. I think this meets your criteria for a cheek pistol, with very reliable Glock mags. Up to 30-33 rounds. Please and thank you! Plus the take down makes it incredibly compact!
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
Let me see what I can can do. I *really* dislike 9mm carbine based platforms that run direct blowback. I’m much more friendly to radial delay and roller delay systems. The Stribog mini seems to fit the role you are talking about and be a *much* more shootable gun.
@flyfishbrad
2 жыл бұрын
Quick question brother. My carry gun is also an LCR .22. I have about 2,000 rounds through it without issue. I ran about thirty stingers through it the other day and when I got home I noticed the barrel was chunky with lead. Have you ever noticed this with Stingers in the LCR?
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
Stingers don’t pass the fbi min in gel. So i don’t bother with them
@flyfishbrad
2 жыл бұрын
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 makes sense. Any leading issues with the Punch to speak of?
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
@@flyfishbrad no. It’s really clean. The plating is fully intact in recovered rounds so I don’t imagine any leading will occur. Almost like fmj
@flyfishbrad
2 жыл бұрын
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 thanks. I love what you're doing man. Keep it up.
@iceman102185
Жыл бұрын
On a podcast you mentioned you used a laser trainer sometimes during dry fire? Which one is that I’m trying to find one that works with the mantis setup targets
@JimmyDevere
Жыл бұрын
What about ballistics? I respect your channel and views, and your arguments make sense, but I think you are making a mountain out of molehill when discussing snub nose revolvers. They are the most reliable handguns and I think every expert would agree with that for the most part. But going back to ballistics, I have heard it said, and I agree, the best advice in in self-defense caliber selection is to go with the biggest you can handle accurately. In so many, if not most self defense scenarios, especially when you remove home defense when you have time to select the weapon (most would go with a long gun if they have it), is that when you are out and about the bad guy usually has the drop on you and it is about selecting the right time to draw, the efficiency of your draw, and then stopping the attack as quickly as possible. A 22LR is about the worst in that respect (FPE etc.). When the bad guy has the drop on you or when he is actively firing at you, the ideal is to stop him with as few shots as possible. In these scenarios, accurate fire can be very difficult in the sense that you may be backpedaling, firing with one hand, on the grand, grappling or fighting with the other hand etc. Lastly, I will mention dog attacks or other animals. I have seen a video of a pit bull attack an off duty officer. He fired point blank at the dog and hit it in the head. They found the .40 bullet fully expanded on the sidewalk! It failed to penetrate the skull! To sum up, if a specific caliber is a poor choice for killing an animal (either a dangerous dog, a mountain lion etc. or a man-size deer, then it would be a poor choice for stopping a human. Because of inertia, a larger caliber bullet, even traveling slower, will better penetrate a leather jacket, a cell phone in the pocket or whatever. A .22 is a dangerous caliber but it is not ideal IMHO. Thank you for the videos and discussions. I appreciate it. Also, as an afterthought, one of your arguments for the shotgun in self-defense is the likelihood of incapacitating the attacker with on shot. For some reason, your logic seems inconsistent when discussing handguns. And before you say "all handguns are poor ballistically..." go back to the point above when discussing stopping dangerous animals or game; deer can be taken with .38, not so with .22.
@AK-ky3ou
2 жыл бұрын
And the Ruger lcp 22 mag is only 6 shot.
@Crazypitbull16
9 ай бұрын
Have you ever thought about using the S&W model 327 8 shot 357 mag? Will solve the 5 shot problem. 🤔
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
9 ай бұрын
That gun is larger than a Glock 19
@Crazypitbull16
9 ай бұрын
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Do you think the stopping power of a 357 in an lcr would make up for the 3 less shots on the 22lr? As maybe 1 shot of 357 would equal 3 of the 22lr
@jaybdvm
Ай бұрын
If you hit center mass!@@Crazypitbull16
@entryred
2 жыл бұрын
What’s the big white thingy on your laser grip? Thanks! Great video!!!
@jxxxx1413
2 жыл бұрын
I think it's a glob of shoe goo... the hogue laser grip is a little inconsistent in stock form, the glob ensures contact
@TheCelestialWolf
2 жыл бұрын
Stinger and Punch cases are a bit longer, is the ejector still full length with those rounds? I don't have any 22lr revolvers to test.
@CrawlingAxle
8 ай бұрын
Do you have thoughts/experience re: SW 43c vs. Ruger LCR?
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
8 ай бұрын
I see more broken 43c than LCRs in classes. Says something considering I see many more LCRs than anything else.
@CrawlingAxle
8 ай бұрын
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918thanks!
@lewismeriwether3892
2 жыл бұрын
How’s the lcp in 22 holding up for you?
@fly1327
10 ай бұрын
I've been critiqued by Pew Pew (Colian Noire) regarding 22LR stats. I've reviewed them all. Yes, 1 shot "stopping power" is less from the stats. Simple question I have: If 22LR is so inferior, why hasn't the MSM glommed onto the 22LR defenders overwhelmed and killed by their assailants? I mean, what a perfect platform illustrating to Americans why 2A is useless. You just know if this was happening it would be above the fold in NYT and WP. I keep looking. I mean ONE instance could knock out "Global Warming" in the "news cycle" for a week. But not there, now for decades. Why is that? Yeah, why is that?
@Crazypitbull16
Жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought about carrying an LCR 327 mag instead of the 22lr? It's 6 shot. And you have 327 mag loads or 32 long.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
Жыл бұрын
Yes. 327 is not a pleasant load to shoot and isn’t cheap or available. Follow up shots suffer greatly compared to 22. 32long is great… in the one Buffalo bore loading that both maintains gentle recoil and performs well in gel… but it’s also hard to find and EXPENSIVE and at the end of the day, the same wounding as 22 punch- non expanding small projectiles. In the gel testing I did, the 22 punch performed similarly to the good 32long loadings in all barriers tested.
@Joeak74
Жыл бұрын
What speed loader do you recommend? I think that's a Speed Beez next to you.
@kimurasquirrel
2 жыл бұрын
Any talk regardling S&W 43c .22lr vs the regular LCR .22lr? There is a sig difference in weight. Though measured in ozs.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
43c is MUCH less reliable. Lots of timing issues. I’ve seen 3 that had to be sent back to factory. Many more stories of that. The LCR22 was seemingly designed from ground up. The 43c is a j frame that they made work.
@kimurasquirrel
2 жыл бұрын
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Thank you very much for your reply. I'm still on the border between .22lr and 9mm. Are you still working on your video on the most ideal 9mm cheek pistol yet? Is there any that can be comparable to the cp33 in terms of size/deminsions/handling? Looking forward to it.
@georgejackson2488
2 жыл бұрын
What is your opinion on the model 942 22 Magnum, 8-shot Revolver from Taurus? Comes in both 2" and 3" barrels.
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen enough of them to have an opinion. Sry.
@woxiduswoxidus1167
Жыл бұрын
Dont know country where 22 caliber is carried on duty based on streets patrol by police officers (only possible as backup but not every ones choice). this practice means that nowadays pistols are working horses feeded with way more better calibers than plinkering to targets ton of 22Lr. Hundreds of police officers are protecting you with 9x19, why not with LR22? Ask yourself WHY?
@John_Malloy
Жыл бұрын
You are assuming that if the police and government agencies carry 9mm and not 22lr, then 9mm is better than 22lr because the government is there to protect us and they would never do anything to harm us or lie to us. Ask yourself if this makes sense.
@RonScibilia
2 жыл бұрын
Your thoughts on the Ruger Wrangler SA .22 with the shorter barrel 3.75"?
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
Single actions are great range toys. Not for defense.
@RonScibilia
2 жыл бұрын
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I don't know if you have offered any thoughts about the NAA Mini-revolvers. Do you feel the same way about them as "last-ditch: SA revolvers?
@RonScibilia
2 жыл бұрын
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Is there a shorter grip available for the Ruger LCR x 3" inch that you are aware of?
@ffnovice7
2 жыл бұрын
I'm recommending this to a female because she thinks smaller is more manageable; true for concealment and therefore likeliness to carry every day, not true for home defense and recoil management. I'm thinking the former trumps the latter in her case (los Angeles)
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
For anyone, ANY gun on your person is better than one that isn’t.
@Reshtarc
Жыл бұрын
Anyone that says a .22lr is not enough of a deterrent to an attacker. I say.... let's go out back. You attack me and I shoot you 3 or 4 times with .22lr and we will see if your opinion changes. P.S. most people are not on PCP. And if the first 4 don't do the trick, I got 4 more in the cylinder.
@TheCalebOsborne
2 жыл бұрын
What model lcr22 should one buy for ccw?
@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
2 жыл бұрын
2” bbl 22lr with shrouded hammer
@patrickaherne3598
2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to call bullshit on your short-stroking claim. I've never seen it in multi-thousands of rounds through 5-6 shot revolvers. I also agree with you on the reliability of modern .22 ammunition.I've never had a malfunction on my 642 in over 15k rounds, most of it 135 grain GDHP +P. Eventually, the ejector rod unscrewed enough to cause a problem, I simply screwed it back in.
@efreutel
Ай бұрын
Please invest in a decent microphone.
@B_R_
Жыл бұрын
It's like this guy is trying to explain why having 10 pennies is better than having a dollar bill because there's 10 of them and only 1 dollar. Do whatever you want but don't try to talk other people into believing your nonsense.
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