Why is a lawyer teaching motorcycle braking in a turn?
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
I handle a lot of motorcycle accident cases, and I hope that through education maybe I will have fewer injured motorcyclist needing my help.
@KeithFox
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@adityabeatz
7 жыл бұрын
won't that mean lesser business for you?
@necatiozyakup9058
7 жыл бұрын
adityabeatz lol hold tis L
@ambesa1
7 жыл бұрын
Keith Fox that got me rolling!
@markman090
7 жыл бұрын
at motorcycle school in Canada, they teach that if you have to break in a turn, you straighten your bike up then break in a straight line. It was part of the final practical examination.
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
That is an excellent strategy. You can brake as hard as you can going straight and still maintain control, but once you add some turning, you are risking a bad fall. Thanks for your comment.
@Forspartalol
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah but then u'll fly into the other lane
@AdriaanHup
3 жыл бұрын
@@Forspartalol Exactly. I am studying for my M1 license here in Canada (I've had my motorcycle license for over 20 years back in The Netherlands) but this 'rule' baffles me really. It's extremely dangerous, whether you are in a 2or 4 lane road, or just a street where you have incoming traffic. Following this strategy will make you crash into traffic! It's so weird!
@rcraven1013
2 жыл бұрын
@@AdriaanHup Its not unnatural to brake or lose speed by de acceleration only whilst on a bend. In the UK with our roads being bendy we are forever slowing on bends altering our speed and direction. What he is just basically saying is that prevention is better than cure and to do all one's braking whilst on the straight before actually turning for the bend. However of one is caught out with say a sharpening turn in than bend don't whatever you do react by slamming on the brakes. Its useful to know just what you can do to mitigate this danger. One thing is to slow using the back brake first and that will slow on down enough to enable you to counter steer into the new curve and still keep traction or to as some say brake stand the bike up and then for only for a short distance, not entering he opposite carriageway and then to re take the bend at a new angle and with less speed.
@redhairedstallion
7 жыл бұрын
Great video Matt. Sometimes it's a good thing not to over complicate something with physics jargon.Thanks for sharing.
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and have fun riding.
@STho205
6 жыл бұрын
Correct and scientifically sound. Listen to this man.
@MattlawAttorney
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching the video!
@yackawaytube
7 жыл бұрын
I am surprise the lawyer didn't throw in a "it's the motorcycle manufacturer's fault and that's why you should sue if injury" at the end.
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
The makers of almost every motorcycle have done a good job with engineering their braking systems. Please look for anti lock brakes on your next bike.
@Majorvideonut2
6 жыл бұрын
One thing that I left out and so did this lawyer is any change in your motorcycle brakes, clutch or suspension which could cause a cornering accident. I had new brake pads put on my motorcycle and the lines were bled. This changed my braking immensely. The rear brake line had water and air in the line. The original rear brake would drag about 2% when I pushed down on the peddle quite hard. The new brake pads and especially the brake line being bled moved the braking up on the foot peddle and it would start braking... like right now compared to the travel it took on the old brake. Not being adjusted to such a change... you guessed it... I locked up the rear brake in the turn and hit gravel with the front tire and down it went!
@MattlawAttorney
6 жыл бұрын
Great point about braking. Be careful after making any adjustments to your bike, and try to break in your breaks a little to get used to how they feel.
@wavydavy9816
6 жыл бұрын
Very educational. Thankyou. I shall be practising this along with my emergency braking now that it's dry out (in the UK).
@MattlawAttorney
6 жыл бұрын
Great, thanks for watching, and practice makes perfect. Please ride safe and have fun out there.
@phoonjzc
7 жыл бұрын
So summary is to break more gently in a turn.
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, reducing your speed before the turn helps you maintain control. Enjoy riding and ride safely. Matt
@leechurchill1965
6 жыл бұрын
phoonjzc if you brake AT ALL in a turn, you entered the turn too fast. Period.
@Gibonz
5 жыл бұрын
@@leechurchill1965 Not if something appears mid-corner that you couldnt see beforehand...
@henry3397
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gibonz that’s why you don’t ride at the limit on the street. Save some grip for just that
@lavlopicic1355
7 жыл бұрын
Very useful information, thank you
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching the video. Ride safe and have fun. Matt
@rcraven1013
2 жыл бұрын
I also see the tolerance to breaking ones traction or grip on the road as a circle representing 100% The way I think about it is, say we have abend ahead of us and when looking forwards as far as we can see, we are then looking at the limit point to our view and that is the only amount of space that we can safely brake in, the space between you and that limit point. So vision to the limit point should give us the maximum or optimum speed for that bend or curve. Then following some degree of slowing we enter the bend and we start to lean over. So lets say that we are doing 40 mph and with a 40 deg. lean angle. That lean angle represents an amount of used grip that we have. So if we have a lean angle of some 40 deg. we are using 40 % of our available grip then that means that instead of all of the 100% of braking ability we used to have it now becomes only some 60% left to brake in. 40 plus 60 = 100%. If we are required to brake hard then we only have 60% left of our grip. If we exceed that 60% then we are more than likely going to lose whatever grip we might have and slide off the bike. That is how it is.. It follows that if we recognise that we only have some 60% of traction left to brake in and possibly alter our course a little then we must be gentler on the brakes and therefore not hit them hard. Then once we have some degree of progressive braking then as we slow and become more upright we can still steer following the curve and brake more progressively and to a stop.
@Addy29plus5
7 жыл бұрын
Good video, very good explanation.
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and ride safe.
@keithlumbee
7 жыл бұрын
Good job Matt
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@amalkrishna5290
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! 😄
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.
@EeezyNoow
7 жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@Alien937
3 жыл бұрын
When you turn the wheel! He says, not on a bike! 😆
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Good point. Thanks.
@leechurchill1965
6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Just wow. Braking on a bike while turning is a no no that has nothing to do with traction. To be turning, one is leaning. Interrupting the roll of the wheels causes the bike to immediately go horizontal. Every motorcyclist should know this before ever getting on a bike.
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Please brake before you turn to ride safe.
@parcorekids2
6 жыл бұрын
i love the video with the squid in it when this is suppose to be a safety video
@matthewpowell2530
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Ride safe!
@oneslave3318
7 жыл бұрын
The correct move is to push the handle bars down in the direction you want to go and roll on the throttle gently. This is never the wrong thing to do. Everything else transfers weight to the smaller front tire and stands the bike up making your turn radius larger. Do not unload the larger rear tire, it can force you off the high side. Keep the throttle on lightly and keep pushing the bar down. The bike has much more ability than the rider, let the geometry do the work. At the worst you will go down on the low side and not be thrown off the high side.
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Hi One Slave. Thanks for the great explanation and information. Matt
@RideFree317
2 жыл бұрын
I know it's late reply but braking does not stand the bike up , excessive speed causes larger turning radius . Anything you can do to reduce speed like progressive brake pressure so as to not suddenly load the front tyre will slow the bike and tighten corner radius . It's been proven you can front brake in a turn surprisingly hard , what matters is the technique of how the brakes are applied , load the tyre first then squeeze more. should be what your doing all the time even in a straight line .
@mhoeij
Жыл бұрын
Don't teach riders to fear the brakes on their motorcycle. Fear leads to crashes because it prevents riders from braking when they need to. Studies show that when an emergency stop must be made, riders only use about 50% of the bike's braking capability. This causes many unnecessary injuries and deaths that could have been prevented if only the rider had trusted the tires. To remove the fear of braking, riders should practice hard straight-line braking, and gentle mid-turn braking. If you want to be safer on a motorcycle, do not teach fear, instead, learn *how* to brake quickly and safely, for instance from Champ school. I use the front brake mid-turn almost daily, and this is perfectly safe when done smoothly. At normal traffic speeds, you are only using a small percentage of the available traction in a turn, so there is very little risk when smoothly braking mid-turn, as long as you don't hammer the brake, it'll be fine. Worrying about traction mid-turn is only necessary if you ride far above the speed limit (in which case you have to worry about other things too). If you don't hammer the brakes, then you can trust the tires.
@robertfitzgerald2555
6 жыл бұрын
I think that everyone that rides should watch or read, "A Twist of the Wrist". You can even watch it here on you tube. It's my rider's bible.
@matthewpowell2530
6 жыл бұрын
A great video. I would love to attend that bike racing school.
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out my video.
@SuperScumble
7 жыл бұрын
Any Links to this class that teaches braking in a turn? Looking into this as i had a narrow escape the other week and would like to know how to correctly save me and my bike. I have a feeling it was luck and my guardian angel that saved me last time...
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
I know that my local Harley Davidson shop offers basic and advanced riding classes. I have not taken the advanced class, however, I am sure they teach braking in a turn. Thank your guardian angel, and get into a good class. Ride safe. Matt
@SuperScumble
7 жыл бұрын
I shall have to enquire as info on youtube about what to actually do if you find yourself in a corner too fast is sadly lacking. Thankyou for the quick response.
@oneslave3318
7 жыл бұрын
SuperScumble The only response that is acceptable is to push the bar down in the direction you want to go and roll the throttle on lightly. Do not release the throttle, that stands the bike up and widens your turn as does rolling off the throttle or braking. Pushing the bar down and rolling on the throttle easy is never wrong and is the only right thing to do 100% of the time. Any other action is wrong and dangerous. Do not transfer weight off the rear wheel, keep a large contact patch and let the bike work as designed. Braking while turning shortens your ground clearance when laying the bike over and will get you into trouble fast.
@haithams.b3046
7 жыл бұрын
Thnx. Do you know how much is too much when cornering heavy bikes or non sport bikes?
@oneslave3318
7 жыл бұрын
Haitham S.B No such thing as to much. Lay it down with the bars and roll the throttle on steady keeping the weight on your larger rear tire. This is always right, 100% of the time and never the wrong response. Everything else hurts you and is known as a false survival response you must overcome with practice. Almost all crashes are within the bikes cornering abilities and are strictly rider error and improper response. There are 8 survival responses that are wrong and can get you injured or worse. If I remember right you can avoid all of them by simply pushing the bar down and rolling on the throttle.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
3 жыл бұрын
Okay, hopefully you didn't bother with the jackass... and this finds you still alive and relatively well... Heavier non-sport bikes tend to be ridden with less over-all effort toward the top-end of the speed range. They still occasionally call a Harley a "Milwaukee Vibrator" for that particular reason... If you're new to your "Cruiser" and worry about "low siding", the ritual is relatively easy. Don't even start the bike the first time on... Just kick up the stand, and flip down the pegs as necessary/applicable. Now carefully ease it over to the side in place. I might recommend this in the grass or something so you don't ding up the paint right off... BUT the point of this is so you can start getting a feel for how far your "lean limit" is... While you practice the lean, look around the lower side of the bike. You don't have to go all the way, just about 45 degrees is usually enough. I know... It's heavy af... BUT especially as a beginner, you should be on a bike you can handle pretty easily... Think about that, too. You'll want to look for signs that you're close to the limit. Some of the big old-school cruisers ride so low that they won't even lean a full 45 degrees. You'll also want to know first-hand what will be "sacrificed" to the road surface first in a "low side". Most heavy bikes easily keep up enough traction to handle any turn so long as YOU have the strength to maintain the turn with the controls of the bike... BUT regardless of your speed and the turn in question, you should : 1. Slow down a bit... This is vague, but the general rule of thumb is to ride at about 60-80% of your skill level. Keeping in mind I'm talking about traffic here. If you want to practice pushing your limits, go to a track. Decreasing speed does two things. First, it puts more of your weight onto the front tire to add to its traction and thereby its control of the bike's path. Second, it reduces the rotating and therein the gyroscopic energy of your wheels and tires, DE-stabilizing the bike and making it easier to lean her over. 2. Look not just at where you're going but where you want to go... Look THROUGH the turn... Dismiss anything you don't want to run right over or hit... and find the clear path for your bike to take. 3. Press the handle-bars to initiate the lean. It's relatively the same control as a bicycle, only on a bigger, heavier machine. It takes a little more work to ride a motorcycle. As you press the handlebars, the bike will practically lean itself. On a big cruiser, let yourself move WITH it. Fighting the bike only gets you into trouble. The bike is going to win. 4. Roll onto the throttle as you're finishing/exiting the turn. This picks up speed, but more importantly, increases the rotational energy and gyroscopic effect of your tires and wheels, lifting you upright and making it easier to straighten the handlebars and return the bike to an upright and stable position. It takes advanced training and practice to get skill at "trail braking" or braking through turning the bike. SO the majority of your slowing down needs to be done before you really begin turning processes. There isn't a magic number for this, so you have to ride to get a feel for how any particular motorcycle behaves. Personally (and I am a cruiser guy) I try to do the majority of my slowing down so I don't have to continue braking into a turn or lean, but in those instances when I feel the need, I let off to about 40% of my usual brake pressure for a controlled stop like at a traffic light or sign "without panic"... It seems to just "feel right"... Hope this helps anybody. AND for the love of god and the skin of your ass, should you decide to practice braking and turning simultaneously, start out slowly and practice in a parking lot with space so you don't lose it on the highways or into oncoming traffic. ;o)
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Practice makes perfect.
@MrLiquidxIce
7 жыл бұрын
In pakistan 70-125 cc are super common And when I started learning how to ride (I have the 70) everyone told me to never use the front break never always use the rare break , if you use the front you will flip over only use it in emergency This is the complete opposite to what they teach in the west like idk which rule to follow now I asked about breaking from like 15 different people (in pk) and they all said the exact same thing (never ever use the front ) Maybe its caz of the lower cc bike (Every tutorials in the west is on a 300cc+ bike )
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment about Pakistan's motorcycle braking advice. You might want to practice using your front brake to get used to controlling your bike while using the front brake. If and when you are braking hard, your front wheel pressure on the road will increase. And if you just use your back brake only, you may go into a rear wheel skid. By using the front brake and the back brake at the same time will allow you to stop in less distance. But practice, practice, practice so that if you get into an emergency situation you will be ready. Good luck and safe riding. Matt
@RaviOnline
7 жыл бұрын
That graphic circle wasn't explained properly
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Which part?
@RaviOnline
7 жыл бұрын
Braking, turning, skidding around 100%, 50%, 75% of what? Traction? Then how come skidding starts at 100%? No idea what that graphic is telling and it's hard to see the correlation between the circle and what you're saying as it animates. What you're saying makes sense though.
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
The graphic is showing that once you cross the 100% threshold of traction, your tires cannot maintain grip on the road. I am trying to show that braking uses some of the available traction, then when you add turning, the turning uses or takes up some traction and when you add the two amounts of traction together that is how effective you are using traction to control your bike. But when you exceed 100% you may enter into a skid and possibly lose control as well.
@RaviOnline
7 жыл бұрын
Ok, thanks for explaining that. Maybe the circle wasn't such a good choice because it gives an impression that the traction is decreasing from 100% to 50% when it starts animating. And, it's a bit confusing to see skidding start when you have 100% traction available, while what you want to convey is that 100% of it has been used up. But, I do get it know.
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks RKT. You make an excellent point! I see now how it could be interpreted exactly opposite to what I am saying. I will work on the video and try making this more clear, and saying that when you are at maximum traction, and add more braking or turning, you go to zero traction. Let me work on this. Thanks for your assistance. Matt
@ezayhayhay2342
7 жыл бұрын
Im recuperating from a fall on my bike going into a turn, short story I'm an idiot yup hurts the ego but yeah im an idiot i wanted to open my throttle coming down a short street before a right turn, so if i guess right i feel that i went hard on my front break while trying to compensate for the up coming turn all i remember is the bike did a quick wobble then bang me and the bike are sliding sideways down the road i imagine this was at about 40 to 50 km/hr maybe more but im an idiot cause 1-excelerated coming into a turn 2-left all my gear in my closet at home 3- just finished a jay not even an hour before Bikes scrathed up and i ended up with a broken ankle cause the bike fell on top of me. Im now debating whether im responsible enough to even attemt at getting back on my bike, now that I'm starting to heal up or should i just shelf it. Bike was a 650 sport touring Kawasaki
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Ezay, Sorry to hear about your spill. Thanks for sharing though, because it is important to share the bad as well as the good riding. Take care of yourself, and I wish you a speedy recovery. I bet you will be riding again soon. Be careful and ride safe. Matt
@ezayhayhay2342
7 жыл бұрын
MattLaw no problem hope it helps someone else make more wiser dicisions then I, Thankyou for the tips they are really informative much appreciated
@Contenthouseyt
4 жыл бұрын
why is this lawyer making a motorcycle turn so hard. just break gently
@MattlawAttorney
4 жыл бұрын
It is great when you can brake gently. However, the situation will arise when you have to brake suddenly to save your life. So, please practice and be prepared.
@NONAME-bm5fd
7 жыл бұрын
While turning should you use the front or the rear brake ?
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Hi No Name, please listen to One Slave's suggestions, they are right on. Ride safe, Matt
@kitaromiller2018
6 жыл бұрын
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@kitaromiller2018
6 жыл бұрын
No!! Avoid at all cost
@vincbestia
7 жыл бұрын
don't forget trail braking ^.^
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@oneslave3318
7 жыл бұрын
vincbestia Any braking lowers your suspension toward the track. Why brake?
@jackklein3920
6 жыл бұрын
This is how drift was made
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Not to easy on a bike.
@jrock1520
7 жыл бұрын
"UPS Driver explains the intricacies of an appendectomy." ...
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@dillonholcomb2310
6 жыл бұрын
Tim Robbins look alike.
@MattlawAttorney
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe. Thanks for watching.
@ramziosam629
7 жыл бұрын
that's nice but i didn't understand anything
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@JingleBombzz
6 жыл бұрын
It's simple. When you brake some of the tires grip is lost and same goes for turning. When driving you will rarely exceed over 75% of the tires threshhold. When you brake and turn at the same time a lot of the grip is lost. In another perspective, if your braking takes 40% of the tire threshold and the turning takes 30% you will not loose grip, but if the turning takes 60% or more, the tires will loose grip resulting in crashing 90% of the time.
@WiseFoolTrades
7 жыл бұрын
If you HAVE to brake during a turn, use REAR BRAKE ONLY! Just tap it a few times whilst still countersteering and you should slow down just fine.
@robertgray9802
6 жыл бұрын
Trail braking is the key
@leechurchill1965
6 жыл бұрын
could be, but but gradual deceleration will yield the same results. But any kind of urgent braking on a turn will make you crash every time. It's basic physics. If the bike is leaning, IT MUST BE ROLLING.
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Ride safely
@Generic_Name_1-1
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, so trail braking.
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@houdiniakathemagicman2580
7 жыл бұрын
Juat let the fuck off throttle engine brakes itself then hammer it back on when you adjust
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting braking maneuver.
@tripylsd
4 жыл бұрын
drama music
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@tripylsd
3 жыл бұрын
@@MattlawAttorney thanks por thanking
@MorsDengse
6 жыл бұрын
Lawyer dude is wrong. NEVER brake while turning, unless you have track training. The problem is not slip, but increased turn radius.
@MattlawAttorney
3 жыл бұрын
Be very careful when braking in a turn.
@mozzmann
7 жыл бұрын
This prat really needs to go back to motorcycle physics school and learn a bit more about actually using the brakes to control not only the turn but the road position as a result,
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Mozzmann, thanks for your comments. I agree there are many other things to consider such as road position, leaning etc. However, I don't want to teach 8 hours of class, just help new riders appreciate the basics. Thanks for the comment and ride safe. Matt
@mozzmann
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry to be so forthright but what your saying is just wrong, if your bike is balanced as it should be in a turn you can brake reasonably efficiently if you have to, advanced rider's should have no difficulty. Newbies a definite NO is the answer to braking in turns simply due to inexperience, BUT they should be taught cornering braking just the same. Now a couple of corrections , the tyre contact patch is capable of making corrections in a turn but unless you panic brake your not likely to be anywhere near 100% braking, and this is why you should have your speed correct before entering the approach to ANY corner regardless of ability - Admittedly the City is vastly different to a rolling windy mountain road for instance BUT the fact still remains that the tyre is quite capable if the rider receives correct tuition. I Agree you should be at the correct speed and have the bike balanced BEFORE turning - but you can brake in a turn for correction purposes, easily by using either the front or rear depending on what it is you require, BUT as I said if you have approached the corner correctly regardless of where it is , you can and should make corrections with the Brakes maintaining a steady throttle ( Not panic shut off which is common with new rider's and why I will always teach brake if needed well before the corner and allow the bike to settle, then during the turn if and I mean IF adjustments are necessary you use the front to stand you up and run you wider and or the rear to pull you down and tighten the turn, while using a constant throttle setting . Many New rider's panic and shut the throttle off upsetting the balance of the machine making the situation often as not worse. One of the questions I always ask when teaching some new students is "What stops your Bike" they just about ALWAYS answer the Brakes, which is TOTALLY incorrect !! Your tyres stop the bike as a result of the retardation of the wheel that is the function of the Brakes ! ie Shit tyres and Technic = shit brakes Understand the technics and the abilities of both your bike and yourself and you'll do OK .
@MattlawAttorney
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice, thanks! I really like your question about what stops your bike? I must admit that I got the answer wrong, but you are 100% right, good tire contact with the road is the key to stopping, and good balance, control and being smooth all work together for a safer ride. Thanks Matt
@STho205
6 жыл бұрын
mozzmann. This prat does know what he is talking about and his explanation is physically sound. I can do the math. Most rider and coach advice is from anecdotal experience and guessing how things really work. Most riders goof up because, like you say, they do everything hard. Hard accelerating, hard leaning, hard braking. They have rough sex with their bike. Smooth and steady like dancing and the physics works for you even if you don't understand it. Leave the guy alone. He is right. Leave reserve for your bike, tires and lean and you'll be able to make the situation work for you eleven when the unexpected happens (gravel, a pothole, grease spot)
@gregorykleiman2137
6 жыл бұрын
Its a pretty fine skill braking in a corner. You can use engine braking in a corner to steer by controlling the throttle thats the best option. In a turn if you want to run wider you can back off the throttle if you want to run tighter you can open it a little and it will pull tighter if you are not at 100% of traction which you should never do on the road. Also you want to use the rear brake gently to make similar small line adjustments. Front brake in a corner has to be even gentler again than rear to adjust line because the bikes going to want to stand up and run wider as soon as you use the front. But there are two things steering with throttle on turns you are not going to be stopping on the end of and you are trying to maintain corner speed and then one you are coming into a stopping situation you are going to want to enter that corner basically upright.
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