I've heard quite a few people claim the Vincent black shadow was the first real super bike. Decades earlier and held the speed record for a road bike longer than any other, before or since. I think I agree.
@carlatamanczyk3891
Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine had a 1953 Vincent 1000 Black Shadow. In the 1960s there was no other vehicle around town that could outrun it.
@derekcollins1972
Жыл бұрын
The Brough Superior might have been as well.
@danweyant4909
Жыл бұрын
I came to agree with you
@mattwillis9173
Жыл бұрын
Like wise I came to mention the Brough Superior SS100 and Vincent/ HRD as probable first super bikes. Being designed and marketed with regards to top end speed. Enjoyed the video.
@rickbonser9923
Жыл бұрын
@@mattwillis9173 I had forgotten about the Brough Superior, it's certainly a candidate!
@seniorrider9337
Жыл бұрын
I remember when the R 90 S came out. I wanted an orange one so bad but the price was over double what I paid for a new Kawasaki Z1, $1995.00 vs over $4000.00. So I struggled thru and corrected some of the evil handling of the Z1. Rode that bike across the country in 1974. Had zero issues and ran over 100 many a time. Had 23,000 miles on it when it was stolen.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Stolen bloody pricks! I had a Moto Guzzi stolen once myself. The Z1 was probably a better bike mostly but i have to agree those orange beemers looked fantastic!
@ccrider00
Ай бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe I preferred the silver one myself, just saying!
@jamesmcdowell9061
Жыл бұрын
I had all Harley’s and one triumph, I had no complaints with any of them.
@knuckles-3386
7 ай бұрын
Boy does this ever bring back memories. I worked for a Harley dealership when I was in high school early 60s the owner would not allow anything foreign in the shop in 63 i rode a xlch sportster to sturgis my hands and feet were numb by the time i got there. those were the days!
@cavscout62
Жыл бұрын
R90S in Daytona Orange is my all time favorite BMW. Such a simple, rock solid road bike. The XT500 was a fantastic bike even though my late Brother broke his back on it.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Cant really blame for bike but I hope it turned out ok for your brother
@desmo54
Жыл бұрын
I bought an orange R90s in 1976 and road it all over California and the western US. It was a great bike and very reliable. It would purr all day long even at its top speed of 125 mph as I experienced it riding through Death Valley one spring. Back then there were no cops around as my buddy on a Honda 750 tried to keep up with me. The BMW did have limitations when pushed hard in the turns with ground clearance issues with the heads, but really pushing it that hard on the street was a bit foolish. But as a 22 year old at the time we have more guts than brains. I used to race Nortons at the time so I was used to finding the limits of a motorcycle. Nice video, brought back some very old memories.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy I really do appreciate your positive feedback
@sportmuaythaiv1045
Жыл бұрын
I was weaned on BSA B25 Starfire 250, and graduated to Hornet 650. I was so much in love with British bikes. The BSA Rocket 3 750cc was too heavy for my 115lbs then. But my current Ninja 400 completely out shine my Hornet. However, my love is still with the British bikes. My 765 RS is a joy.
@Boksburg1982
Ай бұрын
Be glad that the BSA 750 was to heavy. They were garbage.
@ivanwalker6459
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you brought up the XT500 as the first serious adventure bike, I've often had the same thought. I've owned several over the years and have one now which I only ride occasionally. I love the simple, solid, reliability of these bikes and wasn't even aware of the Dakar history until a few years ago. Agree on MV for superbike, cheers and thanks.
@motorcyclecafe
2 жыл бұрын
I remember at the time many riders fitting those large aftermarket tanks to them and heading off to who knows where. This video was always going subjective but yes the XT was the first. These days many Adventure bikes are too large and too hard to handle in the real rough stuff which is why Royal Enfield are having so much success with their Himalayan.
@Ozplatelickerscovidcon
Жыл бұрын
Cool 👍
@richardhall6034
Жыл бұрын
Hi from the UK 👋 🇬🇧 don't forget that bat girl also has a custom motorcycle and also the pop star Prince 😊
@jimhudson556
Жыл бұрын
I loved the description of riding position as “head down, ass up”
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Well i do think it just about sums it up 😉
@fabieneldridge3414
Жыл бұрын
I was part of that Yamaha dirt bike riding. I rode all of those Yamaha’s . Rode most the American bikes on your list,which I agree with mostly.
@rondye9398
Жыл бұрын
The Matchless at the start of the video is fabulous. Saw these in the bike shops in the sixty's before the 2 stroke Greeves or Cz's showed up.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Yes I agree it is a very cool looking motorcycle. Thanks for watching!
@tinacleaver2300
2 жыл бұрын
great video, informative & interesting. Love batmans motorcycle
@wfomph1435
Жыл бұрын
very nice ... thank you
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
thank you for the great feedback
@jfu5222
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Perhaps Laverda's SFC750, a race bike with lights, could be the first Superbike. The Triumph Hurricane triple would be my choice for the factory custom.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
I am saving the Hurricane for a special video. God I loved those bikes well at least the look of them!
@malcolmmathers2690
Жыл бұрын
cheers good one
@1234567marks
Жыл бұрын
Really good choices there, hard to argue with, but as you said hard to nail down conclusively as well. The MV was a remarkable machine in its day, the fact that it was expensive is irrelevant, it was still the first focused sports bike, good choice 👍
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate. The first SuperBike is a very subjective issue. I based the choice on what a SuperBike is today. I'm pretty sure nobody would argue with the last bike in the video 😆
@G58
Жыл бұрын
But I believe the MV 750 Four came out in 1969, not 1971.
@1234567marks
Жыл бұрын
@@G58 Wikipedia says 1970 so there or thereabouts, it had a heady 72bhp, how times change! 🙂
@kevinconville9258
Жыл бұрын
The gentleman who put this list together knows what he's talking about. First super bike might be up for grabs a bit. Guzzi and Ducati come to mind as they were available and accessible, in the US anyway. Nobody had an MV.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Those early dukes & guzzis were very nice bikes, some of the best of the era no doubt.
@jonneet2126
Жыл бұрын
I bought a used 1968 Yamaha DT-1 and rode it for a few years., and sold it to a friend. Later, I bought a used 1972 Yamaha DT-250. That '68 was the first really decent dual sport motorcycle. Yamaha followed these up with similar 90, 125, 175, 360, and 400 cc versions. Only the 125 had electric start. A fine lineage of Yamaha motorcycles.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Yes I could not agree more with your opinion buddy, cheers!
@wilmawife
Жыл бұрын
Your comment on how HD overcame the problem with twin disc's and skinny tire made me smile, fit the most inefficient calipers money can bye.
@chicobicalho5621
Жыл бұрын
In the early 1970s, Yamaha had a wonderful lineup of dirt bikes, beginning with the amazing "mini enduro", a rather proper mini bike, well proportioned, with a 50 cc engine and 4 gears, lubricated by an autolub system, just like its larger siblings. Then there were the AT 100, a 125, 250 and 360, all within the same spirit and guidelines. Back then, Suzuki and Yamaha did a great job providing excelent products to the public of all ages.
@milesinnz
Жыл бұрын
60's & 70's was also the era of the screaming 2 strokes... but not a mention... what an omission...
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
There were two 2-strokes talked about in the video but down the track I will be doing a separate doco just on 2-strokes and nothing else.
@petergerritgroen3157
Жыл бұрын
Yes, i had the suzuki 125 , 380, 550 en the boiler 750.😂 Greetings from Holland
@williamsmith5589
Жыл бұрын
Ha! Not a word about the Triumph Tridents and their racing heritage. Good mention of BMW though.
@jobucklandbuckland8031
Жыл бұрын
agree with your choices the XT was definatly the first as it was bike of choice for around the world adventurers ,
@alxx1378
Жыл бұрын
I had the next generation xt 550 a legend in Greece just changed the front brakes with disc from the later 600.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
A great bike!
@leetrotboswell6273
Жыл бұрын
This was great and very intertaining and this is my time period . The other comments are correct about the 71 superglide but the wide glide is an excellent choice, the Spanish made very serious Enduro bike's but they would never be as reliable as the Yamaha. I think BSA rocket,Triumph Trident,Harley Sportster were the first super bike's but I guess they could be a different category like Muscle bike. Im not nitpicking, this was a great job it's a favorite period of motorcycleing to me .👍
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
All good buddy i appreciate your opinions. Thanks for the feedback. Ive uploaded an 80s 90s one just recently
@asacarrick1385
Жыл бұрын
Of course Super is only a prefix relevent to it's day. Same as Cruiser. People cruised on Triumphs and Nortons et al throughout the glory years of British bikes and it's worth saying that these bikes werre the markers laid down which the Japanese so competently emulated. But the old Marques are back and in some style.
@amundbjerve
Жыл бұрын
The Moto Guzzi V7 Sport was also launched in 1971 and competes with the title "World's first superbike". It was fast and expensive just like the MV Agusta. It's probably got better touring capabilities than the temperamental MV Agusta. Somehow they managed to get (almost) 70hp out of the hemi head pushrod Guzzi-engine. I've never ridden a V7 Sport (the early "Telaio Rosso"s are very expensive!), but all the Guzzis of the era have a nice progressive torque curve with a hefty mid range grunt. The Tonti-frame provides great handling.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Yes you are spot on, Moto Guzzi led the world at one stage. What great bikes they were and still are!
@griffspeed
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe The Laverda Jota might also be included somewhere on the list... It was afterall a "Factory" Superbike... Great video mate... Thanks.
@marciocarvalho8975
3 ай бұрын
Later Yamaha made the XT 350 and 600. Sucsses at late 80s early 90s. Then Tenere and super Tenere... Yamaha was the motorcycle everybody wanted
@asacarrick1385
Жыл бұрын
@asacarrick1385 1 second ago Of course Super is only a prefix relevent to it's day. Same as Cruiser. People cruised on Triumphs and Nortons et al throughout the glory years of British bikes and it's worth saying that these bikes were the markers laid down which the Japanese so competently emulated. But the old Marques are back and in some style. Don't mention Vincent 1952 Series 2 Touring Comet 500cc 90Mph. or 1949 S.C Black Lightening 1000cc 70 Bhp capable of 150 Mph. Without the previous 6 Decades of British bikes you wouldn't have this video. Bit like talking Beatles without mentioning Buddy Holly or the Everly Brothers ....even Lonnie Donegan. G.Luck Bikers everywhere Reply
@bananabrooks3836
Жыл бұрын
Unusual choice of first superbike but l liked the thought process and conclusion.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Yes buddy i know its a difficult genre, thanks for watching & the feedback
@oldenshort1346
2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent Video Cheers.
@ianjones4071
2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for making this video, in the 70s I had a Kawasaki samari a1 250,would have loved an a1r race version ,thanks again cheers mate
@motorcyclecafe
2 жыл бұрын
Great I'm glad you got some enjoyment from watching it. Times are different now, just yesterday I seen a post on FB with a bloke complaining about the price his local dealer charged to install a set of handlebars. Can you believe some riders these days can't even do such a simple task🤔
@daryldaryl913
Ай бұрын
Great video , thanks.
@buxvan
Жыл бұрын
I love my XT500 & I'm glad it doesn't have an electric start. Super reliable & fun.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
I knew a bloke who owned a Ducati 750 it kicked back on him one day and broke his leg. He sold it after that. Those old Yamaha's are great bikes
@woodsmn8047
16 күн бұрын
I had a 250 Catalina that was NOT a batman custom but a red and white sweet little ride that I enjoyed while stationed at NAS Whidbey on Whidbey Island in the sixties
@frankmarkovcijr5459
6 ай бұрын
A MV 750 was twice the price of a HD Sportster. $7,000 in 1979.
@marcdaigneault2357
Ай бұрын
Triumph hurricane is the first custom chopper
@bryanhurd9955
Жыл бұрын
BSA and Greeves made off road bikes 🤔
@carsyoungtimerfreak1149
Жыл бұрын
Very nice video, thank you. I have to disagree with your tourer choice. To me any Harley except for the Sportster are much more cruisers than tourers. They lack the weather protection and are, as far as my experience goes, certainly not able to cruise the Autobahn for hours at over 100 mph. I believe this honour is also for BMW with the R100 RS. I agree with the MV, yet it was very, very exclusive (I started riding bikes in 1970...). I believe the Ducati you mentioned or the V7 Sport are better candidates... Yet this is all very personal.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
The ducatis and moto guzzis were great bikes no doubt but the mv was earlier and yes very exclusive. The bmw was a sports tourer though not a full dresser although in reality there isnt a lot if difference except full dressers are a lot bigger. Thanks for taking the time to comment its good to get other peoples opinion. Docos like this are subjective. I know i got the last bike correct😉
@buckwheatINtheCity
Жыл бұрын
Well, I have to say, that the MV Agusta had some competition from other Italian makes such as Laverda and Benelli from this time period of the late 1960s early 1970s. Those machines were just as exotic and expensive. There is a reason why the Japanese were eating everyone's lunch. The quality was excellent at a fraction of the price of Italian machinery. The Italians have had to make a name for themselves in racing to this day by sometimes beating the Japanese in World Superbike. They can barely compete in Moto Grand Prix. Some British machines proved that with careful tuning, they could be competitive but they were often unreliable and didn't make the cut. All the bikes presented satisfied niche markets rather than the needs of the average rider.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Neither Benelli nor Laverda had anything near the performance of the MV at the time and very clearly you do not follow MotoGP!
@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO
Жыл бұрын
Motorcycles of the 70's when in motion always sounded like a rapid succession of farts
@geralderdek282
Ай бұрын
Ive always thought the 2 stokes sounded like a swarm of angry bees.
@scottastell9415
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed reminiscing my misspent youth. LOL
@motorcyclecafe
2 жыл бұрын
Same buddy was a great period
@frankmarkovcijr5459
6 ай бұрын
The Norton HiRider was the first factory custom. Because it didn't get the Combat engine it was reliable for a Norton.
@queenslander954
4 ай бұрын
Yer mate it’s the GSXR750 in 1985 , and before that yes it was the Honda 4 & Kawasaki 900 .. trying to bring this factory special into the mix is a stitch up.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
6 ай бұрын
A Brough Superior was twice the price of a 500 Triumph twin and just a little more than a Austin 7 car. I have a picture of a Brough Superior rally in England . Lots of regular people. Bikes with side cars to bring the family. Lots of kids in the picture. The ones who bought a Brough Superior could have bought a car buy they bought the bike and then they bought a sidecar for the bike . They chose to have the bike instead of the car. That tells you that they were real motorcycle enthusiasts.
@shaneellasdaicastrestorati3675
Жыл бұрын
You had my brother's race team in your super bike section 😁
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Really what team was that?
@shaneellasdaicastrestorati3675
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe boost mobile
@metal-lm6ue
5 ай бұрын
That bat-cycles is awesome!
@motorcyclecafe
5 ай бұрын
it sure is 😉
@EnigmaWector
Жыл бұрын
I beliwe when a motorcykle is the fastest in exsistans is wordy of the titel Superbike. George Brough was a racer, designer, and showman - his father William E. Brough had been making Brough Motorcycles in Nottingham since 1908, and continued to do so until 1926. Convinced he could improve on his father's designs, all Brough Superior motorcycles were high performance and superior quality. Most were custom-built to the customer's needs, and rarely were any two of the same configuration. Each motorcycle was assembled twice. The first assembly was to fit all the components. Then the motorcycle was disassembled and all the parts painted or plated as needed. Finally, the finished parts were assembled a second time. Every motorcycle was test ridden to ensure that it performed to specification, and was personally certified by George Brough. The SS100 model was ridden at 100 mph (160 km/h) or more before delivery. The SS80 model was ridden at 80 mph (130 km/h) or more before delivery. If any motorcycle did not meet specification, it was returned to the works for rework until it performed properly. The fit and finish was comparable to a Rolls-Royce car, and they were the most expensive road-going motorcycles in the world. Brough Superior motorcycles have always been rare and expensive. Prices for these motorcycles ranged from £100 to £185 in the 1920s and 1930s. Since the average annual salary in Britain during the 1930s was £200, only the wealthy could afford them. In 1940, World War II brought an end to production as the factory was engaged on war work, completing crankshafts for Rolls-Royce Merlin engines.. After hostilities had ceased there were no suitable engines available so the company was wound up.[3] In 2004, around 1,000 Brough Superior motorcycles still existed, maintained by enthusiasts.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that very interesting information buddy!
@colnuttall9035
Жыл бұрын
When mentioning The Harley Davidson Wide Glide, did you overlook the Harley Davidson Night Train of about 1971 or 72. That was the Shovel head with the long fibreglass seat base, stepped seat and Sportster front end. I’m not sure your definition of a Sports Bike is quite accurate, since I had a 2009 Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade and it was very comfortable for a longish ride. Perhaps they had gotten better by then, as this is quite a bit later than your time frame. By the way, I noticed a Munch TTSE Mammoth pop up and took particular note because I had one in the early eighties. I believe there were only four in Australia at the time, and of course all unique. One of the bikes memorable features was, you had to fight your way through a crowd to get back on it anywhere you parked it. Very theatrical ! But a great bike.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Hi, the bike you are talking about was the 1971 SuperGlide with the boat tail rear end. And yes I did consider it but only the seat, rear end and paint were custom whereas the Wide Glide had the works. Basically a Chopper straight out of the factory. I couldn't imagine how much your Munch would be worth now if you still had it buddy, a huge amount I reckon. And I doubt many riders would regard a Superbike as comfortable, but everyone has a different perspective on comfort. Thanks for watching.
@colnuttall9035
Жыл бұрын
Yes I meant the Superglide, you’re probably correct there about the Wideglide. The Munch currently sell for $200k plus but I’ve seen them go for $250 k. And boy do I wish I still had that, oh well, I did very well on it anyway, so no complaints. I still have a Ducati 900 Darmah that I’ve had for forty odd years. But my Softail Heritage Classic 103 is my current ride. Must have been kissed on the knob by a fairy, I think. Though I can’t quite remember which pub that was in ! Cheers.
@thatsmrharley2u2
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe I agree the WideGlide was a good rendition of the 'factory chopper', but my vote goes to the Lowrider which debuted in '79. (It also fits in the 60s-70s window!)
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
@@thatsmrharley2u2 fair choice, I chose the Wide Glide because it had the works.
@larryfromwisconsin9970
Жыл бұрын
I agree, the Wide Glide Shovelhead shake contributed to it's charm. I remember when Harley first announced a rubber mounted engine. I thought, that's not a Harley. The rubber mount caused Harley's death wobble too. But I do prefer the reliability of an Evolution era Harley so that's what I still ride. 1988 and going strongly.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Good on you buddy. Gotta love character!
@frankmarkovcijr5459
6 ай бұрын
Bat Girl rode a motorcycle too.
@motorcyclecafe
2 ай бұрын
She sure did and that bike is in one of my other videos!
@sethbrown1763
Жыл бұрын
You get a +1 for the Batcycle!
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you commenting on that piece. Nodoby else has. And I did think it was a nice touch myself LOL.
@partypooper2591
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe Well, Batman on TV was a part of my childhood. And I remember the Yamaha XT500 as well. It was a beast of a bike, though my younger brother preferred the Bultaco Alpina. A very nice walk down Memory Lane. Thank you
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
@@partypooper2591 Thanks heaps buddy. I appreciate you taking the time to comment with some nice feedback. This particular doco is my own personal favourite so far. Bultaco's were an awesome motorcycle no doubt about it. You would enjoy the 'Against All Odds' doco on the channel as well I reckon.
@TheAshfishman
Жыл бұрын
Nice workmate and thanks for that. The CB900F Bol D Or was my first super bike. Ported and planed with a Yoshi extractor exhaust, Pirelli Phantoms fitted, and with 104HP dynoed at the back wheel I thought i was King Shit, . Until I hit a corner.
@philipe7937
Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of the full fairing motbikes got their ideas from the batbike. Thanks for the video.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Your welcome buddy im glad you liked it
@coolmonkeymc8268
Жыл бұрын
Not a harley fan owned a few more out of curiosity.I do remember as a youth walking into the harley showroom when AMF had it and being very impressed by the new changes. AMF gave h/d a new boost but a lot of the old timers would cuss me out for saying that. Also I ended up purchasing the Baja 100 good frame terrible motor I think it was a sachs it would jump out of gear as soon as it was in it's power band.
@thatsmrharley2u2
Жыл бұрын
The Baja 100 never had a Sachs engine. It was Aermacchi all the way.
@davidrayner9832
Жыл бұрын
First factory custom was the 1980 H-D Wide Glide? The Yamaha XS-650 Special came out in 1978.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
What was custom on the Yamaha?
@williammuir638
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@TheHortond
Жыл бұрын
A superbike in synonymous with crotch rocket. Any bike can fit that definition if its quick and fast enough.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
True! Its a bit different now than back in the day.
@notwocdivad
Жыл бұрын
Great choice of bikes, BUT, If head down arse up is the main criteria for superbikes you COULD go back to the mid 1950''''s right up until 1963 with first the BSA GOLD STAR and then in 62 it's twin cylinder big sibling the ROCKET GOLD STAR! Both came direct from the factory with highly tuned engines, clip ons, rear sets and qd headlamps! So they too could have a shout at being the FIRST SUPERBIKE? However this is just an old (VERY BIASED) British rockers opinion!
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
no mate that is a very valid bike indeed and I do appreciate your opinion. Nothing wrong with being biased 😉
@markfiges999
11 ай бұрын
I was 22 and was going to have a brand new Yam XT 500, had the cash saved and the bike was on order, ......... then I bought a house instead !🙃 ..... and with life getting in the way, I never got my XT 500, Oh well.
@motorcyclecafe
11 ай бұрын
Oh well there is still time
@markfiges999
11 ай бұрын
Thanks, but I wish there was - my riding days are long gone.@@motorcyclecafe
@michaelgillett5477
Жыл бұрын
Hi there, enjoy your KZitem I have a champion plug, book hire an all about the classes of motorcycles in England, a bike of under 250 cc what is classed as a moped in the 60s anything above 650 who is classed as a Superbike I personally like the phrase when you start on about the sort of motorcycles you talking about starships that’s what I class them as always have done. Anyway good programme keep motorcycling Michael
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your nice feedback Michael. I truly appreciate it buddy. Sometimes the negative comments get you down but receiving comments like yours make it worthwhile. Yer I remember growing up a 650 was a big bike back then, how things have changed.
@lesklower7281
Жыл бұрын
Great list l rode motorcycles back in the 1970s and into tge 1980s and one bike l will coment on the BMW 900S it won the Castrol 6 hour with Joe Eastmure riding it he eventually got his outright win as for the first super bike but not from the 1960s or 1970s was the Suzuki GSX 750R the first production motorcycle with an aluminum frame
@jeffferguson899
Жыл бұрын
i would argue that the cb750 of 1969 was the first sport touring bike. same hp as the bmw same top speed, smoother ride 150 less cc, introduced 4 yrs earlier. just add a winjammer fairing and some luggage and you have a superior st bike .
@theknifedude1881
Жыл бұрын
I would think one of the Vincent models would qualify for Super Bike. Or maybe the Brough Superior.
@coffinman5007
4 ай бұрын
The brough ss100 was the very first super bike.
@annajeannettedixon2453
Жыл бұрын
Ballocks the sport tourer when right back to 1930s with hand made Brough superior and Norton's
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
You may well be correct however the broughs were not really attainable for an average person
@stephenlucas2576
Жыл бұрын
I have two questions. Do Australians think Fosters beer is crap? And if so is that a bad thing?
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
I don't think many drink it anymore.
@stephenlucas2576
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@davidmarkwort9711
Жыл бұрын
No mention of the "Slippery Sam", nor the "Bonneville", nor the Norton "Commando", nor any BSA.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Sorry buddy it is impossible to mention every bike. None of those bikes fitted into the description on the video "Two decades of important new motorcycles which defined the Motorcycle genres that we all know today" The Bonnie & Norton are mentioned in other videos on the channel & from memory The Slipper Sam wasn't a road bike.
@davidmarkwort9711
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe Slippery Sam was in fact a 3 cylinder BSA/Triumph, one of those bikes that took part in the first Super Bike races at Brands Hatch. Mind boggling?, nope, but they were the last big bikes from the then British Bike Industry which was in its death throes
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmarkwort9711 Oh righteo, i remember the name but not so much the bike itself. Its a real shame what happened to the british motorcycle industry. So many great bikes.
@NebukedNezzer
3 ай бұрын
my new 1966 honda cb450 was the first japan super bike
@motorcyclecafe
3 ай бұрын
Most probably !
@buddhastaxi666
Жыл бұрын
That Electra Glide looks like an round shapeless Bogan Princess in her wedding gown with a giant incontinence pad as a seat. The XL 350 predated the Yammy. My Yamaha 250 DT2 in 1972 was an adventure bike....a trail bike for on and off road. TRAIL bikes were a distinct genre, as were motocrossers. Adventure bikes are a refinement of the Trail bike. I rode my XL 350 on massive bitumen trips plus off road on rocky tracks salt flats and down mountains. Oacked some gear and off you went.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Yes those early Electra Glides were a tad odd. I also owned a XL250 which as you mentioned was a trail bike and a good one too. I personally do not like most of these so called Adventure bikes these days the styling just look strange to me. To me any bike is an Adventure bike. I selected the Yamaha 500 single because most people think the 1st Adventure bike was the BMW. Modern Adventure bikes came from the Dakar Rally and the Yamaha 500 kicked the BMW's arse. Surely you agree with the very last bike on the list though 😉
@buddhastaxi666
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe I remember Batman with Adam West. Kids were imitating them, thinking they could fly and plunging to their deaths in tights and a mask. My first road bike was a 750 WLA, with 1200 Harley forks, ride control . Ive always liked some Harleys, but prefer my ohv long stroke air cooled Roadliner. OH Cams motors do not to me anyway, thump like a tractor all through the rev range.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
6 ай бұрын
I have had my Triumph Tr-6 with a hard tail and magneto for 40 years. My Adventure bike is a BSA C-15 250. I tow my dirt bike on my bike trailer behind my 1999 URAL side car outfit. I have had my Sportster for 25 years and 400,000 miles on the original engine. Today's motorcycles are a collection of government regulations on 2 wheels.😢
@WilliamAndrewPhilipBodie
Жыл бұрын
The Triumph TR6 Trophy was custom made to look like a German bike. in the 1963 movie The Great Escape 😀
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Yes why they did that is beyond me
@WilliamAndrewPhilipBodie
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe A bmw or a German bike was to heavy for the action. Q: was that the first than or 2 Custom made bike ? 😀
@thatsmrharley2u2
Жыл бұрын
I'm just here for the comments from the Harley haters.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
They will probably hate the channels Ground Breaking Motorcycles of the 1980's and 1990's video even more
@jimwilson4043
Жыл бұрын
depends on what you call and adventure bike Honda had a 350 scrambler back in the late 60's
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
to me any bike is an adventure bike really
@adriantorres3221
Жыл бұрын
Crockers and roughs were factory customs
@davidparsons4625
7 ай бұрын
How can you call any 60's motorcycle from Britain groundbreaking? They all had lineage dating back to the 30's
@888jackflash
Жыл бұрын
Ok... LEAVING ASIDE uber-expensive Euro-exotics like MV/Ducati/Munch, etc. of the time... the real first commonly-available SPORTBIKE was the 1982 Honda VFR750; but in my world, (I was working in dealerships at the time), the REAL stunning race-replica was the 1986 Suzuki GSX-R750. I put the very first one in the New York area together out of the crate. My service-manager boss, who was a Pro-class AMA flat-track racer, walked past, took one look at it, and shook his head. "It's ALL OVER NOW," he said with a frown.. meaning, this fancy little firecracker "race bike" represented a new level of death & destruction available to any brainless idiot with a few dollars.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
That bike is in the channels 80s 90s video. Great machine!
@russellparratt9859
Жыл бұрын
"Ground Breaking Motorcycles" .... ??? The fact that the Honda CB750 and the Kawasaki Z1A barely get a mention gives this video a big FAIL. They were the bikes that REALLY changed motorcycle design forever. That's just a simple fact. Besides, the Honda came out in 1969, and was the first motorcycle to be described as a "superbike". The MV Agusta came out in 1970, and the production total was 583 machines. Who even knows about the MV Augusta, except motorcycle racing fans? The emphasis on dirt-&-dust bikes really exposes the preferences of the maker of this KZitem, who has listed only one really decent road bike. The BMW R90S certainly deserves it's place, and I'd have it over ANY bike that BMW have produced since then. The crap-handling Harleys were a niche market, hardly deserving to be amongst a "ground breaking motorcycle" list. The Electraglide, with it's over the top emphasis on accessories, could perhaps be on a list for "ground breaking bad taste". Although it's a very subjective topic, Moto Guzzi and Ducati ought to have been on this list somewhere, considering their popularity in the 1970's, and the individual nature of their engine designs.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Just so you know Ducati and Moto Guzzi are my two favourite brands
@russellparratt9859
Жыл бұрын
@Retired Bore The "dead end fad" that became a market-dominating normality for the large capacity Japanese bikes. Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki......
@russellparratt9859
Жыл бұрын
@Retired Bore I'm looking at the whole history of motorbikes since the CB750 and the Z900 came out. All of the 4 Japanese makers had significant contributions in the 4 cylinder range, throughout those decades. I'm also referring to the collective market share of these makers, within the large 4 cylinder range. You tried to dismiss the 4 cylinder concept as a "dead end". I don't know why you would even suggest such a thing.
@Motoreger
Жыл бұрын
The first Harley presented in the film caused me the nostalgia of childhood. I have been sitting next to the combines that trembled the wheat many times! They sounded exactly the same! They may have been comfortable, but who could support that noise on a long trip? Too much he insisted on Harley but this brand has not brought anything remarkable in the world of motorcycle. I call them "M'C Donald's motorcycles"! I would have listened to something about the Indian brand.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
If you like Indians watch the doco on the channel "Harley VS Indian"
@Motoreger
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe Thanks for the reply. No, I did not say that I liked the Indian, except that, instead of the agricultural machine (Harley), it would have been the Indian, who brought some remarkable things in the motorcycle industry.
@ccrider00
Ай бұрын
The 3'rd < H.D. electra glide > was refered to by the H.A. as " garbage wagons " i can surely see why, that seat surely tops that bike off!😖 Garbage wagons weren't allowed in the h-a----
@motorcyclecafe
Ай бұрын
@@ccrider00 why not?
@ccrider00
Ай бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe because most "if not all" bike clubs were into the custom chopper cool look. Peanut tank-- extended front forks, ape-hanger " high " handlebars, skinny 21" front wheel, 16" fat rear tire, sometime a big sissy bar in back of the seat, ect.- ect.--- You put a custom chopper next to a "full dresser" and you'll see why bike clubs refered to them as----------- 🤮garbage wagons😖 🧙♂️--- aaaeahh---- especially that big oversized goofie Looking Dufus seat ❗🥴 🤚 🎯 👳♂️ 👎
@motorcyclecafe
Ай бұрын
@@ccrider00 oh I dont disagree in anyway but unless the photos I have seen are fake I have seen Sonny Barger riding BMW's
@ccrider00
Ай бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe 🧙♂️--aaeeahh! That aient no big deal--- BMW's are a high quality long distance very reliable touring machine, much more suitable for cross country if your into that sort of thing < thou a car or 'VAN' is much better for long distance cross country travel to be sure, especially a van where you can stretch out and get decent sleep at rest stops> Otherwise it's you out in the elements ; near-freezing cold-rain-hot sun- animals like deer jumping out in front of you at the last second while your flying down the highwway- protection-security! No comparision❗🤚👳♂️🎯 So you've seen Sonny on a BMW🥳 OK--- I'VE seen a picture of Sonny on a Victory V twin. That's OK too.
@Paulfarmer-en4vh
Жыл бұрын
Laverda anyone!?
@ccrider00
Ай бұрын
1200 Mirage 👍👌💯🎯🤚👳♂️
@christophercripps7639
11 ай бұрын
The 1980 wideglide has two features IMO are ugly: the cross pipe between headers (no doubt gov’t mandated). And, that boxy “airbox thingy” … TMC seems to have ditched that as soon as they could to return to the classic “ham can”/oval or the other current designs.
@motorcyclecafe
11 ай бұрын
You're right but most would have changed both anyway, no doubt.
@genegoodwin8925
Жыл бұрын
I disagree.... just a little. I think the first dirt bike was the Triumph 200 cub and the first dual sport would be the BSA 441. I fell this way because I HATE yamahas. I've owned all the Japanese bikes and a few HD's. I had the most trouble with every one of the Yamaha motorcycles and I will never own another. I'd rather walk then own a Yamaha.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Disagreeing is fine, if everyone had the same opinion the world would be pretty boring. You may well be correct with the BSA 441 but I would say it was more of a trail bike. Adventure bikes evolved from the Paris Dakar bikes there is really no doubt about this. Although to me all bikes are adventure bikes. Thanks for watching buddy I appreciate your feedback!
@ctiley2212
Жыл бұрын
Boot of a car not "trunk", only stupid Yanks call the boot a trunk. Elephants, not cars, have trunks.
@northerniltree
Жыл бұрын
What's the difference between a Yank and a Jerk?
@craigschneider1820
Жыл бұрын
Bite me limey
@adrianrouse5148
Жыл бұрын
Some funny choices????
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
I did the best I could its all subjective I guess, thanks for watching buddy
@jjpower6769
Жыл бұрын
Tut tut, "very unique", "most unique". Something is unique or it's not unique. Unique means it's the one and only. The clue is in "uni".
@derbimac
Жыл бұрын
Not a lot of facts in this video.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Most find detailed facts boring but not all sorry about that
@philhawley1219
Жыл бұрын
How on earth can anyone put Harley on a list of great 60's and 70's bikes? They are all essentially rubbish, they make my Bonnie look sophisticated. If you need to find a good V twin from this era look at the Italians.
@derekcollins1972
Жыл бұрын
I loved them. Good enough for Elvis.
@mmark8394
Ай бұрын
What would Elvis know?lardarse
@dinokall8319
Жыл бұрын
bypassed cafe racers. start over.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Not really covered the rockers in a sererate video. Cafe racers will get their own doco down the track, my favourite genre!
@johneastman1905
Жыл бұрын
And the only one I would have any desire to own and ride would be the first - The BMW
@georgeday5901
Жыл бұрын
It's just a name superbikes .vincents were the first superbikes in the 50s they did over 125mph
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
yes they were a Superbike but not the first one. Check out the channels latest video
@SK-tr9ii
Жыл бұрын
When is someone going to stand up and give Bridgestone their due?
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Funny you say that i just missed out on buying one plus a spare parts bike about a year ago. Still kicking myself!!! You give me a great idea thanks buddy!
@chrisbraid2907
Жыл бұрын
Bridgestone, I preferred Continental …
@pinslayer4579
Жыл бұрын
Interesting...... The only bitch I've got is No mention of my beloved Triumph Thruxton 1969 Malcom uphill was the first to pull the Ton on a factory bike at the I.O.M. TT Don't believe the MV hit that mark .
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
An interesting bike you mentioned. From memory I think the early Thruxtons were purpose built bikes for racing and not really available to the general public but I could be wrong. I will look into this one further for sure. Thanks buddy
@Vanrides.
Жыл бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe You are correct, Thruxton bonneville's was not availble to the general public.
@pinslayer4579
Жыл бұрын
Gentlemen no interest in starting an internet pissing match but if you Google Malcom Uphill it states he was the first to average the ton on a production motorcycle. If Thurston's weren't available to the general public I wasn't aware. I also thought 3 years prior Bonneville finished 1-2-3 in an endurance race at the Track in Thruxton England hence winning the right to call them Thruxton's. Hopefully I'm not misinformed on the events if so I apologize.
@Vanrides.
Жыл бұрын
@@pinslayer4579 If you wanted a Thruxton Bonneville you had to buy the parts to make it so, I actually bought a Thruxton brake pedal to rearset my footrests on my 69 bonnie. Not sure how many dealers were involved selling Thruxton parts but I used Gus Kuhn motors in London. Do not know what the exact rules were pertaining to production racing in the sixties, but the frame,wheels,brakes and engine capacity had to remain the same. Malcom Uphill will have been riding a factory prepared machine that was not for sale in its racing form to the general public. In the 1969 IOM tt proddy race that Uphill won he was using Dunlop K81 tyres, within a couple of months Dunlop added the branding TT100 to these tyres. I also think the Malcom Uphill named pub in his own town is the only Wetherspoon's pub with a name.
@pinslayer4579
Жыл бұрын
@@Vanrides. Thank you for the information. So in reality the Thruxton was available to the general public you just had to assemble it yourself. I installed the bullet fairing on mine but it's a much later machine. Thanks for the information here in the colonies sometimes history gets a bit muddy. P.S. What I read stated Uphill was credited with pulling the ton on a production machine. Which is how this discussion started.
@brianperry
Жыл бұрын
The so called super bike...your choice, the MV. this bike was way out of most blokes pocket league. l would suggest other Italian Stallions... the Ducati 900SS, Moto Guzzi 850 LeMans....especially the first incarnation, maybe the Laverda Jota.... The Japanese bike didn't real fit that genre. Sure, a few were fast but had rubbish handling compared to the afore mentioned Italian bikes...Going further back the Triton fitted the stripped down road going race style...Cafe Racer...
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
I don't disagree with anything you said. As i mentioned there is no real definition. So many people have a different opinion. Many believe the Brough Superior ss but they didnt even make their own engine it was actually more of a custom made bike. And yes those early japanese bikes all handled pretty ordinary.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
6 ай бұрын
My 1977 BMW 100/7 ran 100 mph at 5,000 rpm smooth as silk. A guy on a1912 Henderson rode around the world in 1912. People rode around the world with regular BMW's ,BSA and Triumph bikes as well. Modern Adventure bikes are for a different kind of poser today. No one with commen sence is going off road with a $30,000 600+ lbs bike.
@motorcyclecafe
6 ай бұрын
Yer i did a video on these new so called adv bikes.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
6 ай бұрын
@@motorcyclecafe One magazine was doing a article about a adventure bike and it fell on him and he had to wait until the photographer picked the bike off him. True story.
@dixiefallas7799
Жыл бұрын
My first bike was a Ariel Arrow 62. If they had put that engine in a sensible frame it would have taken some beating. I paid £2 for it😂
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
2 pounds crikey how do you sleep at night LOL
@rustyturner431
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but the 1971 Super Glide was the first "factory" custom. Mind you, it was a LOUSY motorcycle...and I know, as I was stupid enough to own one. Even when brand new, it was spectacularly unreliable, it shook all manner of parts off, and it wasn't even fast, but it WAS a factory-made custom cruiser in 1971. And I didn't have much trouble finding another idiot to buy it from me, for a pretty gooe price. I am getting old now, but I still haven't forgiven Harley Davidson for this monstrosity and haven't owned another Harley since. Cheers, RT
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
I don't really disagree with you, I did consider the SuperGlide but apart from the paint and that tail fairing the rest was basically the same. Whereas the Wide Glide had the works. Yes Harleys from that era tended to be somewhat poor but they addressed things as time went by. The Super Glide is mentioned in the Harley V Indian Doco on the channel. There is some interesting history in that doco. If you kept that bike she'd be worth a heap $ now, if it was still together that is.
@thatsmrharley2u2
Жыл бұрын
@Retired Bore Hmm...and this from the home of Lucas, otherwise known as the Prince of Darkness.
@brianbacon7365
Жыл бұрын
What about the BSA, Triumph 750 triple from 1968,Dick Mann took the Daytona 200 in 1972.Very fast bike.
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
I am saving those bikes for another doco
@seawench555
Ай бұрын
Love it, I've got a virago 535 1991 and a Yamaha Dt 175 1995, great bikes, thanks for sharing 🇦🇺🤘🏍
@georgeday5901
Жыл бұрын
What ever happened to the dustbin fairings
@motorcyclecafe
Жыл бұрын
Don't know really maybe something to do with turning the front wheel onto full lock I suspect
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