I was wearing my JB t shirt and someone recognized it on the street in philly.. Mr. Famous over here :)
@Jake-mm1cz
3 жыл бұрын
Ho .......... Ho ......... Ho ........... Merry ............. Christmas 🎄 ............. !
@nistax2880
3 жыл бұрын
Why not just make the air mode on an aux and just make it turn on/off on the idle up switch
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Air mode is different from idle up. Air mode off does not disable the PID loop. Air mode also allows you to raise the throttle and spin up the motors.
@nistax2880
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell that's not what I meant , I ment because it has to be off for the "idle up" to work why not make it on an aux mode so when you're flying normally it's turned on .
@douglasyoung3992
3 жыл бұрын
I would consider just building with kiss fc.
@josh8106
3 жыл бұрын
There is a scenario you didn’t account for. If you arm, bump the throttle on accident, then turn on idle up, the quad will go straight to that throttle amount and shoot up to the moon.
@stevenfpv2345
3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same
@yngndrw.
3 жыл бұрын
You could solve this using logic switches (The sticky function would be useful for this) but you're starting to get into the realms of diminishing returns.
@acestriker
3 жыл бұрын
KISS idle-up does the same thing. The title of the video is, "replicating KISS Idle-up"
@hateeternalmaver
3 жыл бұрын
Ooh classic topic, hehe...^^ ;-) merry Christmas, Joshua B.
@nistax2880
3 жыл бұрын
Logical functions go brrr
@quadwizard
3 жыл бұрын
Use two stage arming and then you could put airmode on that same switch :)
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Ok I have to admit I have very little experience with KISS. Is this actually how it works or did I get some detail wrong?
@biggfpv2721
3 жыл бұрын
The mixer part in the last part is how steel does it... But u got it and i like the work around u did to use the betaflight osd
@WKfpv
3 жыл бұрын
I never thought idle up was a kiss thing, I always thought you can use it as easy on betaflight too. Anyways, kiss "airmode" is kind of better on my opinion, even though I have idle up on one of my quads. Only advantage is you can hold your quad armed in your hand, but while flying I don't feel any difference.
@randomkid7410
3 жыл бұрын
Joshua. I just did this the exact same way last week after pulling my hair out for weeks. Just be CAREFUL when you are in the pid inactive mode and quickly twist the quad in yaw by hand the motors will spin up for a second.
@HappyFPV
3 жыл бұрын
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@fpvwalleit-drones2884
3 жыл бұрын
Some interesting thing KISS-specialists say is that idle-up would influence TPA. Could be an interesting topic?
@Reecefpv
3 жыл бұрын
Lol well I tried the way I heard other people trying. With adding air mode on a switch with the pid off at min throttle. but it doesn't work, motors still shut off when sticks all bottomed out. Even in flight. So guess I'm gonna go thru the "all" the steps you did. 🤷♂️🤦♂️Well I tried. But just like Life, fpv doesn't like shortcuts.
@rawpicsfpv3516
3 жыл бұрын
Omg betaglight please just include this! Can’t be that hard!
@gmivisualsjason3729
3 жыл бұрын
Why would anybody want such a complicated arming setup!!!
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
It's more simple on kiss.
@taneliharkonen2463
3 жыл бұрын
I do. Ran it since found it out. It is good for checking propspin before u fly, and it gives good indication for living things around it that this thing is live now without it being able to cut flesh if something should accidentally make contact to it (a child, dog, too curious adult). I have this plus a "three stage" arming to make accidents as inprobable as conveniently possible. And I do not even notice it when arming.
@gmivisualsjason3729
3 жыл бұрын
@@taneliharkonen2463 overcomplicated a simple on off is adequate
@taneliharkonen2463
3 жыл бұрын
@@gmivisualsjason3729 Does the job. But very prone to mistakes. Done it myself, changed the arming procedure to have stages --> never happened again. Safety features are always more coplicated than without, but they are for a reason. But you do you. Its ok. I just answered cause you asked why would anybody want this. :)
@vhfgamer
3 жыл бұрын
I sure don't. This is the opposite of having a simple, straight forward, and quick arming and disarming system. If someone is near my drone, the air mode idle is plenty of warning. And if someone touches it while it's armed, it's moot because I can easily smack the disarm switch in a nanosecond. If anything, skip all this nonsense and put airmode on a switch. Then you can just blip your airmode switch and give people all the warning they need. I see no other point to all this work.
@MCsCreations
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Joshua! Thanks a lot! 😊 Happy holidays! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@leeit2me
3 жыл бұрын
how would this effect the turtle mode switch? Man.. too many switches to remember now.. lol..
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
No effect. Turtle mode ignores throttle. Bit of throttle was raised turtle mode would not activate because turtle mode requires you to arm.
@dasme8210
3 жыл бұрын
i'm honestly surprised that there isn't a simple string of code you can set to do this.
@corgi_fpv
3 жыл бұрын
hi. i made all this operation and still at min throttle have an oscillation like it pidloop is off. i raise "Motor Idle Throttle Value [percent]" to 7.5 and activete dynamic idle with 12.. halp!
@PhrozenN
3 жыл бұрын
The issue at the end, set your prearm to be on the sc, idle up off position. You have to set it to that position to even get the motors spinning then
@mauritz1774
3 жыл бұрын
1:54 I want this in the summer when i Heating up my charcoal grill
@badrx5783
3 жыл бұрын
I use a more simple solution: Airmode always off, air mode for a 3 position switch, one position airmode and the rest of the positions of switch angle mode and NO mode. Then I use 2.5 motor idle value and I set the ESC threshold to 1004-1996. So when I turn to NO mode and the throttle is low, the motors don't spin.
@RADERFPV
3 жыл бұрын
I do something very similar, left a comment here as well. Yup, it works great :)
@MANTA_FPV
3 жыл бұрын
Ohh man that is nothing new 😄 I am using this for years now (edit: only the pid command at the beginning) without problems, you can litteraly stop the props with your face without any harm 😄👍🏻 But thanks a lot for sharing it to the community, that hopefully saves some fingers 😉 I wish everyone a wonderfull christmas!
@RockTouching
3 жыл бұрын
lol its sad that the intro was actually needed
@captainwortex
Жыл бұрын
ATTENTION/WARNING Could it be that this setting has some effect on gps rescue? Because I set the gps rescue when I use a switch for gps rescue (tx is connected to rx) it returns. BUT when I turn off my tx it is a whole different scenario! The drone “deadflips” freaks out flips all directions and hits the ground really bad!
@jack_crisp
3 жыл бұрын
Just what I was looking up! Thanks for reading my mind today!
@rebelquadronfpv1065
3 жыл бұрын
About 5 years late.
@woodyfpv5331
3 жыл бұрын
What's the difference between this and putting airmode on a switch and setting pid loop off at zero? Just the two stage arming?
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Please check other questions in this comments section where I answered this (sorry just don't feel like typing it out again).
@woodyfpv5331
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell Ok thanks! I hadn't seen that so I'll look through the comments again.
@jlarson42
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informative video. I fly kiss, love it. Most of my builds are BF, no desire to implement this but I did learn a lot and appreciate it. Thanks, and happy flying. 💖🤓
@LeesEBR
3 жыл бұрын
This part about the "Delay" on the arm switch is no joke. I had it setup for all my drones and never thought twice about it. Setup a new profile and missed this ONE step. Armed at 3/4 throttle and sent the drone to the moon. After recovering from that and troubleshooting what happened, I realized I forgot the .1s delay. Important information there.
@PaulSokolov
4 ай бұрын
my delay setting didn't work. Have no idea why. Very strange
@PaulSokolov
4 ай бұрын
even try 3 sec delay))
@Storrsy
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, as usual. Thanks for all you do for our hobby. Merry Christmas to you and yours, be blessed and have fun!!
@calypsoraz4318
3 жыл бұрын
I have my kiss arm just on one switch, i hate the dual switch flip. Definitely doing this on ny BF quads
@partyfrog69
3 жыл бұрын
Joshua lawyers up.....
@RemcosFPV
3 жыл бұрын
To bad I already learn my own way a long time ago. Set_pid_at_min_throttle = off then set a switch to add 5% throttle up to activate pid and if you want you can lower your idle to 4.5 - 6 or which ever you prefer
@PaulSokolov
2 жыл бұрын
One more thing. When I turn on Idle swith - the motors rotation starts to increase spontaneously. I tried to do it with propellers - same thing happens. If do not turn off idle switch - the quad is ready to take off. Maybe you can explain - how to solve this. Thanks
@Hotwire_RCTrix
2 жыл бұрын
Current version of BetaFlights air-mode gives you the best of both worlds. With PID_at_min_throttle = off in airmode at min throttle the motors run idly and no pid response. Whoopy! With airmode on a switch and Steel is a draft horse. No offence intended.
@miszkolc6535
2 жыл бұрын
Hmm i did it like 3 years ago and it was diferent, but i don't really remember how i did it and what tutorials i used. I can't see it because i switched to edge tx and i lost my settings.
@TheFabigm
3 жыл бұрын
so when i arm my quad and put the throttle lets say at 50% and hit the idle up i´m gonna launch my kwad is there a way to say: "hey if the throttle is not at 0 i wont activate idle up" ?
@juggalizzle75
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a pretty dumb guy but what it's the advantage or use for this? Seems like a lot of steps for something that will rarely, if ever, get used. Is this different than putting airmode on a switch?
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
In KISS this is just "how it works". Some people want to emulate that. They argue that the ability to spin props without activating the PID loop lets you check motor direction easily and check after a crash whether a prop is blocked. Some people also use it for more risky activities like arming while holding the quad. For the answer about air mode please see several other times in the comments where I answered it. Short answer: no it's not the same.
@WKfpv
3 жыл бұрын
Omg that's so convoluted.
@fubar4fpv
3 жыл бұрын
lol, i have a headache now
@leflamantrosefpv1725
3 жыл бұрын
lol.. it's useless, but it makes a good video title .......... ;)
@evanhall2295
3 жыл бұрын
I'm try to figure out why you would want this? Or what the function is. It just seems like more points of failure to me.
@cinialvespow1054
3 жыл бұрын
steele just uses it to check on his props rotation in his hand withotu risking hurting himself... I don't see why that's so useful though. If it was 1 switch I could flip in betaflight maybe i'd do it too
@michaelajero2409
3 жыл бұрын
You had it right when you said just buy KISS
@wrecked3253
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't this just like having airmode on a switch???
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
No definitely not. The quad still has zero throttle authority even with air mode disabled. And the idle up method prevents you from raising the throttle when idle up is off.
@wrecked3253
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell Strange, cause I have airmode on a switch, and when I disable it, my quad just tumbles out of the sky without authority. Your video show excacly how my quad behaves with airmode on a switch instead of idleup.
@SquareOneFPV
3 жыл бұрын
30 seconds in, already liked it 😅 merry christmas guys!
@jonasv6139
3 жыл бұрын
I have waited a long time for this video👍
@BigWillieFPV
2 жыл бұрын
Should be called the Final Glide AUS IDLE UP
@hawkfpv4950
3 жыл бұрын
Merry chistmas JB!
@NightRiderFPV
3 жыл бұрын
My friend has a hole in his ceiling after trying to follow your cheater quad video
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Don't test hover indoors.
@yngndrw.
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell I think you're going to need more disclaimers.
@MrSabram07
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell Just put your foot on it like Ciati does
@notkira_x
3 жыл бұрын
"My friend" yeaa suuree...
@rawpicsfpv3516
3 жыл бұрын
What if i put it on one 3-position switch: 1. disarm 2. Motors Spin- no pid Loop 3. fully armed Should be safe- right?
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Yep I think that would be a cool setup. And it would prevent the throttle and arming mode from conflicting.
@DelaneyKassab
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell for bonking and sliding I have airmode on a switch to keep it from freaking out. However, Airmode off can still be a bit bouncy. Would idle up on a 3 position switch like this be a better method?
@madhatterstunts
3 жыл бұрын
Its pointless and Obsolete anymore.
@CaspervanOOijen
3 ай бұрын
Kan i still use this with prearm?
@runpuppyfpv5744
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah probably not gonna do that but it was intertaining
@Oldman-Havok
3 жыл бұрын
Could you please give me a setup of all your switches on your TX16s? I would love to match your switch arrangement and learn of any new possible settings or layout you may have?
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Upper left shoulder 2position is arm/disarm Upper left face short 3pos is GPS rescue for quads that have it Upper right momentary is beeper and prearm for quads that have it Upper right face short 3pos is up = nothing, middle = angle, down = turtle mode Upper right face long 3pos is throttle limit activate /deactivate with the left potentiometer knob controlling the % of throttle reduction from 0% to 50% I don't use all of these on every quad, for example, not all quads have GPS or prearm, and I only actually use throttle limit with micros most of the time. But I keep the setup consistent so muscle memory is there.
@Oldman-Havok
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell thank you!! Now to figure out how to set all this up. Lol.
@knarftrakiul3881
3 жыл бұрын
All this extra work. Just lay drone down on ground and fly it.
@TheConfigurat0r
3 жыл бұрын
You're so right and so wrong at the same time, Sir.
@Sawyerbivens
3 жыл бұрын
Then show us?
@seamless7942
3 жыл бұрын
Mr.steeles name carry heat huh?
@rawpicsfpv3516
3 жыл бұрын
Omg finally. You don’t know how long i‘ve Been searching the internet for this
@miquelmarti6537
3 жыл бұрын
why is this so important?
@joachimlarsen2k
3 жыл бұрын
@@miquelmarti6537 It's just a nice and tidy way to arm your quad safely
@maykdo
3 жыл бұрын
no Idea why I should need it...
@RodcaFPV
3 жыл бұрын
Is this possible with Tango 2pro? Can someone help me? where's that model menu... inputs? I can't find the inputs page. please help me :)
@RodcaFPV
3 жыл бұрын
I just had to press menu hahaha, I was trying every button expect this. But now I don't know why my motor don't spin when I arm, but they do when I throttle up (with iddle up switch on). What's the solution for this, I want it to spin! 😆
@UnrulyRotors
3 жыл бұрын
I thought you were gonna say the reason the switch is important, is because at zero throttle in a maneuver, the pid loop would be off....
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Yup that too.
@ronnyrengkung7894
3 жыл бұрын
Nice Video Joshua......!!! i can say you the King of OPEN TX...LOL... but for idle up better use Kiss board and you can feel how the quad fly too...:-)
@KolorLux
3 жыл бұрын
stop recycling videos.
@browsearoundtyke9311
3 жыл бұрын
read my mind Jedi Bardwell
@badpaw
3 жыл бұрын
I am removing this feature on my KissV2 for my own reasons. I found it to be unpredicatable and it caused several bad accidents which ended up breaking the quad. I want my props to stop and I believe the old idle up switch is the best way to go about using this feature. Permanently enabling this feature can be very dangerous depending on the controller and TX. In Kiss it isnt safe.. sorry guys.. and the loop can be active in kiss after a factory flash, depending on TX settings.. if you pick the quad up it goes crazy. I am now missing a motor due to that loop :/
@MarcekMichal
2 жыл бұрын
I set this on my radio TX16s and my Nazgul evoque. I did set everything like you set here in the video. Everything seems to work fine except: 1 stage arming fine everything seems to work till I idle up and the pids are active then I have the feeling like the motors spin slowly up more than they should. Quad is lifting a bit already.
@RedOcelot
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the videos. I am new to this FPV and drone world but your videos hooked me in deeply to doing this and other advanced settings. From almost having no experience with drones or computer coding. I am able to do this mode also many others, ( get my RSSI value to my OSD via Aux ch. , set my OSD channels with my radio buttons, be able to write logical switches for my needs and safety, able to use one channel for manny modes via ''Multiplex Replace'' and ''Source: MAX'' kinda mixing/editing, some handy CLI coding...) Now I will try to fit all the above settings to Mobula 6 tiny whoop. Good blessings to you and your family. Thank you again.
@OliverPottsFilm
3 жыл бұрын
HELP im trying to solder my esc and the solder is refusing to stick to the pads. any help? ive tried making sure its hot enough. im using solder with flux core what am i doing wrong?
@orechris21
2 жыл бұрын
You can actually just go in the cli and type the command "set pid_at_min_throttle = OFF" and then arrange a switch for arming idle up and air mode. As an extra safety feature you can add a prearm switch.
@HappyFPV
3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Kiss does this super nicely. Speaking of Kiss, did you see the Kiss drift car from Fettec? Check it out, or go to the Fettec download page for the drift car manual. fb.watch/2zpqMfnMzM/
@noisy_boi_fpv_3920
3 жыл бұрын
Seems a little pre air mode. Lol
@borido007
3 жыл бұрын
Hello all, thanks Joshua for this in-depth information. How does all of this reacts to turtle mode? does turtle mode just overrides this arming rules created? Do i need to arm, idle up and turtle then? thanks for help I need turtle mode, got stuck all the time somewhere ;)
@grassfpv1876
3 жыл бұрын
Just run kiss!!!! Ftw
@wrx6622
3 жыл бұрын
One Question Lgened ? What googles are better for beginners, FatShark V5 or the V6’s ? Thanks
@occultworks
3 жыл бұрын
I did no pid at min throttle with air mode on a switch. Don't forget to hit that switch before flying! lol Your way seems much safer. I'll have to see if I can do this with my flysky radio. Thank you, sir!
@tomislavbosnjak7435
3 жыл бұрын
I think that is time to retire my JumperT8SG plus that runs Deviation tx and get myself a Open TX trensmiter :D
@jackpulley541
3 жыл бұрын
blah bla blah bla blah
@PaulSokolov
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thanks for this feature. Can you explain, how to keep air mode and how to setup this ?
@tonomoto
3 жыл бұрын
good video and the knowledge that such thing could be done it's awesome but it's pretty much useless :)
@Viperr1
3 жыл бұрын
i just use special functions and logical switches to override the throttle channel. i also have a logical switch setup so that if the throttle isnt at 0 while armed and the pid switch is inactive, it wont allow me to enable pid. which imo is a must have for safety
@c.j.829
3 жыл бұрын
if you put Airmod off the you can put it back on a switch for air mode on . if you need .. and you can make the it workrs to the idel up ... is no more sticki .
@AKtoTok
3 жыл бұрын
Whats the benefit? 🤔
@RedOcelot
3 жыл бұрын
1K like hurray :)
@divingfalconfpv4602
3 жыл бұрын
Cool with the purple
@stevefox3763
3 жыл бұрын
lol, i watched this even though both my quads run Ardupilot ha ha.
@늘푸른-m3t
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@deniszemljic1615
3 жыл бұрын
What if you add prearm mode when the sc switch is in the up position? That might work, right?
@GeorgiosGkouliopoulos
3 жыл бұрын
Good job JB. Although I use DJI controller, I like to watching your creative video's.
@InsideTheMindOfMatt
3 жыл бұрын
What about arming in turtle mode?
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't matter. The throttle isn't used in turtle mode.
@benfoust1
3 жыл бұрын
There is a much simpler way to do it. Instead of doing all this just add a special function that overrides the throttle to 0% when the switch is in the desired position. Then any other switch position will allow the throttle to work normally.
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
All this does is kill switch the throttle. You want a distinction between armed and idle-up.
@benfoust1
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell yes i forgot to add in that u need to set the channel output so that it’s up but it essentially does the same thing with less steps
@meltonenterprises6761
3 жыл бұрын
It seems almost crazy that betaflight has not just made this a setting.
@dodgydamosfpv9734
3 жыл бұрын
this seems way to complicated for me now im happy with arming the way it is now haha thanks for sharing merry christmas :)
@ThomasLa
3 жыл бұрын
Or we could patch betaflight instead ?
@miquelmarti6537
3 жыл бұрын
Why is arm+idle safer than just arming?
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
Because the PID loop is inactive the motors won't react to any outside forces when you arm.
@xerovolume3321
3 жыл бұрын
But why?
@ossy3rd
3 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Bardwell I Love to see you use the TX16S
@SollessGarage
3 жыл бұрын
One word.... SPEKTRUM....
@Siamect
3 жыл бұрын
How to make bf emulate the deficiency of kiss 😆
@Fili_42
3 жыл бұрын
For this safety feature at the end of the video, I would create a logical switch witch prevents arming, as long as the Idle-up switch is set, and then use this logical switch in the mixer-tab for the arming channel.
@robaxelsson530
3 жыл бұрын
Got half way through and said... “way above my pay grade..”. Maybe later into 2021.. I want to FLY like Mr. Steele WAY before I configure my quads (that I will destroy prior) like me Steele’s ... this is DEEEEEEPPPP!!! Into open tx.. hell, I havnt set my end points yet... Thank you anyway... just because my grey matter isn’t as “bumpy”.. I can still appreciate it.. again, thank you! Have a safe and happy holidays
@RemcosFPV
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@albouyhadrien1886
3 жыл бұрын
How many of you got the jackass reference ?
@johnk8825
3 жыл бұрын
WOW, great job. Merry Christmas to you and your family
@leo18071
3 жыл бұрын
Question?....I buy bnf ready drones from iflight example....is it really nessary to flash the fc every time for every drone???
@JoshuaBardwell
3 жыл бұрын
No you can just use the firmware they ship.
@travisSimon365
3 жыл бұрын
What would happen if you 'just flew with the PID loop off at zero throttle'? Does the loop resume quickly enough for this to be reasonable? I'm thinking that would get rid of the low-throttle pull, but there has to be a downside ... what am I not understanding? Thinking about it ... it would have to be latency from the motors spinning up. I'm guessing that the effect is too great to account for it on the sticks - is that right?
@monstermechanic8670
3 жыл бұрын
Because if you drop your throttle to zero to perform a trick, the pid loop will not correct. If I remember correctly, the other controls still react to stick input... Been a while since I worked on this. I just gave up and flew my kiss machines.
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