I like the scoring system for this one. It was a good idea to addcommander info too.
@mathieubrebouillet714
2 жыл бұрын
I'm with you !
@schawnschoch5283
2 жыл бұрын
I like it, but maybe some little if they are in the 99 somehow?
@Greg_Ulmer
2 жыл бұрын
I don't. Commander is too different of a format and it isn't a competitive format, so more played doesnt necessarily mean better. Just make a separate list for commander.
@Kokonutzlz
2 жыл бұрын
@@Greg_Ulmer That's what I would suggest too, if we also added the in the 99 inclusions.
@TheEmeraldboy100
2 жыл бұрын
The best part of Adeline is she doesn't have to attack to get the token.
@RibusPQR
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, she comes down on turn 3 with summoning sickness but you still get the token.
@nickbalmes6640
2 жыл бұрын
That 4 toughness on her is pretty relevant in the Standard that she is in; she survives Strangle, Play With Fire, Abrade, and Parasitic Grasp.
@GFortz
2 жыл бұрын
Specifically, the trigger is attacking with anything, including another token.
@Ol_White_Fatalis
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's what makes the diff between good and great for her. Also the token is a human too and that is amazing. If it wasn't for those 2 things, especially what you mentioned, i doubt she would get played out of standard.
@reefalefunk1244
2 жыл бұрын
I came to the comments to say exactly this 👍🏾
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
2 жыл бұрын
I must say that yeah I don't mind including EDH points in the list, since you already excluded bad cards from said lists. But what I really don't mind is "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!
@ncuco
2 жыл бұрын
Every single video xD
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
2 жыл бұрын
@@ncuco I am a crustacean of dedication.
@andrewsparkes6275
2 жыл бұрын
10:33 I'd say given the influx of treasures, in the worldwide meta game of EDH, it's actually now perfectly positioned to be a commander!
@hiimemily
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if you want to find a new playgroup immediately after.
@andrewsparkes6275
2 жыл бұрын
@@hiimemily Eh, it's only light 'hate', preventing them from keeping them through turns - people can still combo off with them if they want. The real hate-inspiring decks right now are the ones that abuse the broken treasure-making cards anyway.
@authorinabox
2 жыл бұрын
Haven’t watched yet, but my pick for number one has gotta be Thalia, guardian of thraben
@magnesium13
2 жыл бұрын
The edh score was definitely worth it for this list in particular. I don't think it's really needed in most, but it's perfect for this cycle of lists and the color combos if you ever do those.
@9sven6
2 жыл бұрын
I am not sure if I like the EDH points. The other points come from high performance, while EDHrec just tells us how popular the commander is.
@mbarker_lng
2 жыл бұрын
Kataki making Moxes (costing several thousand each) worthless probably feels great when it hits the table.
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much!
@AkhierDragonheart
2 жыл бұрын
I'm happy to see a Kamigawa card in the list. No love for my fav eight and a half tails though, not that I expected it, but here we are.
@mariocontiki
2 жыл бұрын
was expecting that card. eight and half tails is my topo 1 card of all time.
@AidanWR
2 жыл бұрын
Also see: best white legendary creatures from Innistrad and Zendikar. It's interesting that it ended up that way, but it kinda makes sense, since mono white isn't really the best for commander
@EBHsswvZUM
2 жыл бұрын
Funny, MtG Arena's "daily deal" has all the available card styles for today's #1 card on sale. Though maybe they rolled that out after they saw this video? There's a lot of Thalia variants! Even the Dracula-themed "Mina Harker" reskin version.
@nharviala
2 жыл бұрын
I'm just going to say, I feel like these need to be considered for their total deck usage. Kataki is poor as a commander, but is amazing in the deck itself, in over 4800 decks as the 99. Maybe 1 point per 1k decks they don't lead next time, give representation for support legendaries that aren't good to head decks on their own?
@09Dragonite
2 жыл бұрын
This would definitely change a lot of scores around I think, many legendary creatures are just amazing in the shells of decks because that's where they shine the best.
@mrmeglomania
2 жыл бұрын
The White Crovax does a good job of being an imitation Elesh Norn as a commander. He's the commander in my angel reanimation deck.
@zackbonno3675
2 жыл бұрын
You missed the best part about Adeline. She herself doesn't have to attack, you as a player just have to attack to get her tokens.
@Djmattymulz
2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to give you a shout out for implementing a new metric for this video that really nails it. As a PhD specifically focused in applied stats, devising effective and meaningful metrics is my jam. I loved seeing this one. Hell yeah, man. I hope you do more videos with creative new metrics in the future!
@Djmattymulz
2 жыл бұрын
Also after finishing the video, you really came up with an effective new measure that also doesn't overwhelm other important measures. It shined through in some big cases, contributed a little to others, and had no impact on a few cards, too. And that seems like an ideal metric for your context. Nicely done, man
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that!
@dbzwrestleingfan
2 жыл бұрын
There’s nothing like having a cup of coffee and watching a new Nizzahon video ❤️ perfect way start the morning!
@guydror7297
2 жыл бұрын
Can you an ultimate top 10 where you just show the top 10 cards of all of magic?
@arson55
2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the few times I knew without question which card was going to top the list. Because of the various long gaps where I was away from Magic there are often cards that came out while I was away that I just never experienced. But Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is so obvious and so crucial in so many long lasting decks in eternal formats while also getting multiple chances to power-up aggro decks in standard that there was no chance it was anything else.
@musicalcacti
2 жыл бұрын
I like the new Channel logo!
@derrickbuhonick3105
2 жыл бұрын
Adding commander seems pointless. The top 6 cards on the list totaled like 13 points from edh
@matthewbeard7841
2 жыл бұрын
Let's gooooo! Legendary is my favorite super type. Can't wait to see more lists like this this some time in the future!
@dtelad11
2 жыл бұрын
I really like the EDH score. I don't play Commander and that perspective is new and cool.
@hungrybois5954
2 жыл бұрын
Colossal Dreadmaw needs an honorable mention for this list.
@kaszael
2 жыл бұрын
2:40 I believe Sram should be 32 points. 5 1st tier (10 points) 9 2nd tier (9 points) and 13 EDH points. 10+9+13 = 32. Unless I'm missing something.
@user-et3xn2jm1u
2 жыл бұрын
I like including Commander, but I would still be interested in seeing a text list that doesn't include it, maybe as a pinned comment or something.
@nathanl8622
2 жыл бұрын
Including EDHrec score makes sense, but it's still a bit of an imperfect metric. Maybe it'll be different for the other colors, but at least for white what makes a good legend in other formats (hatebears, efficient bodies, big angels) doesn't really line up with what makes a good commander (card advantage, card draw, more card advantage).
@ZackeroniAndCheese
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, this metric should be revised somehow
@Valerie-nm1gr
2 жыл бұрын
Despite being mainly an EDH player myself, I really dislike this change, or at least how it's executed. The fact of the matter is, your choice of commander is only 1% of the choices you make while building your deck, and while commanders themselves are very important, whether or not a card is "good in Commander" as a format should also consider when cards are played in the 99. Danitha Capashen, for example, isn't really a great commander (141 decks), but she sees play in the 99 of a lot of W+ Equipment/Aura/Voltron decks (4% of eligible decks). Shouldn't that kind of popularity mean something here?
@Serr8edGrin
Ай бұрын
I have a few of these cards in my green/white angel and human deck.
@christmas6666
2 жыл бұрын
awesome to see a new card (from Standard) on this list! Adeline
@CrimsonHiroX07
2 жыл бұрын
Wou!d love to see an updated legendary green creature Top 10 with this new criteria.
@kitsovereign4127
2 жыл бұрын
How close was Isamaru? I thought it would have had a decent shot.
@robertsunderman9534
2 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine he'd have made the list without EDH considerations.
@09Dragonite
2 жыл бұрын
Weird to see that Keeper of Silence had no EDH points when she is a key Stax piece in literally the only competitive variant of the format for dozens of Stax lists playing white. *said dozens, meant hundreds or more. I was thinking initially of the cEDH Decklist Database and how it only has a couple hundred or so decks in total, but Linvala still sees play far outside of even the competitive section of the format.
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
Right, I only looked at decks they are commanders in.
@ROMANTIKILLER2
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting approach to include Commander in the scoring without it outweighting too much competitive play.
@chuckwagon3718
2 жыл бұрын
Really surprised Heliod, Sun-Crowned didn't even place.
@bugsySA
2 жыл бұрын
Cant say I'm a fan of the edhrec scores factoring into the points system. Just as an example Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow is the second most popular commander on the site with 9248 decks, but mtgtop8 has it with zero top 8 professional finishes in legacy and vintage events. With that many decks I could easily see this as the number 1 dimir legend, but without any of the top 8 credit.
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
I think if we are talking about legendary creatures, EDH should be a factor for sure.
@diegoblin9090
2 жыл бұрын
I like the pointing system!
@volosguidetomonsters3440
2 жыл бұрын
an added benefit of lyra is she gets broken with Giada
@tylerannand3777
2 жыл бұрын
I somehow expected Lin-Sivvi
@germanyjones2700
2 жыл бұрын
Love your scientific mind doc
@jeweledlotus975
2 жыл бұрын
Only 16 commander legends boxes on Amazon. Jeweled lotus to the mooooon
@rayswift5711
2 жыл бұрын
Kataki is perfect in EDH against all these treasures that been spawning lately. Smothering who?
@deathshand4248
2 жыл бұрын
It also show how weak white is in commander as in general white is considered the weakest color in EDH as this list shows the highest ranked commander (the one with the most commander points using his point system is Sram the lowest ranking on this list). The most used mono white commander on edh atm is Light-Paws, Emperor's Voice which has 2229 which incredibly little compared to other mono colored commanders
@avaraportti1873
2 жыл бұрын
The worst lists are much better because they reflect design choices more than the trend of power creep
@ClubbingSealCub
2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the idea of using edhrec. Commander is usually about popularity, not power.
@jinxed7915
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@SirZapdos
2 жыл бұрын
But isn't power a good reason for a card's popularity? Not the sole reason of course (nostalgia, flavour, art, cost) but cards that see lots of Commander play are by definition powerful.
@ClubbingSealCub
2 жыл бұрын
@@SirZapdos 'powerful in a casual setting' means nothing. One of the top cards in edhrec is cultivate.
@jinxed7915
2 жыл бұрын
@@SirZapdos it's no guarantee. On the other hand, being part of a top 8 means a card was powerful or relevant at the time. The flip side is also that EDH unpopularity is not an indicator of a lack of power, especially since EDHRec points were only given out for how many decks had a creature as the commander.
@pittypat2
2 жыл бұрын
Surprised not to see avacyn
@n.m5253
2 жыл бұрын
Cool idea but as the scoring system is this isn't really representative for legendary white creatures in competitive formats because it excludes some of the best one (Kenrith for example). But it's something new and a good video as always.
@pinchashochnermole7021
2 жыл бұрын
Kenrith has a WUBRG colour identity, due to the UBRG mana symbols appearing in its text box. Casting cost colour isn't necessarily reflective of the colour identity. :)
@n.m5253
2 жыл бұрын
@@pinchashochnermole7021 I'm well aware of that, that wasn't my point.
@pinchashochnermole7021
2 жыл бұрын
@@n.m5253 could you explain what you meant to say that I missed?
@n.m5253
2 жыл бұрын
@@pinchashochnermole7021 simply that this list isn't representative from a competitive standpoint because colour identity doesn't matter in that formats and therefore some white legends are missing (again from a competitive point of view) :)
@shadowofseattle1338
2 жыл бұрын
Gonna be a stacked fricking list man
@hentaidancer
2 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how you pronounced it, I always said Praetor as Pra-E-tor (pray-EE-T-or) as a play on words for Predator
@Valerie-nm1gr
2 жыл бұрын
It's a real word, a term used for certain officials in the government of ancient Rome. So it does have a correct pronunciation, and it's completely unrelated to the word "predator."
@McD_James
2 жыл бұрын
Get well soon, Nizzahon!
@connormohs6046
2 жыл бұрын
I think the EDHrec scoring addition is a great idea! Love to see more variability in these top 10s
@joonasjarnvall832
2 жыл бұрын
Heliod really didnt make cut in... wow
@joannefn2024
Жыл бұрын
thanks for the video
@stuartyarnall3454
2 жыл бұрын
How is Luminarch Aspirant not on this list. Isn't it every single white deck since it was printed?
@stuartyarnall3454
2 жыл бұрын
Never mind, missed the legendary bit.
@schlippschliddley
Ай бұрын
Elesh Norn is my mtg waifu :P
@jumpmanhammerman1311
2 жыл бұрын
Huh. I guess Oswald Fiddlebender hasn’t done much outside EDH
@jordancourtney9142
2 жыл бұрын
Neat adaptation to the point system for the sake of better analysis, I like it!
@Alexxf35
2 жыл бұрын
I like the new scoring system Nizza, keep up the great content.
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@angelalex6944
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing in EDH beats having Linvala KoS, Shalai, and Avacyn out. Oh and Sigarda too. No sacrifice. No abilities. Indestructible. Hexproof. Need a broad exile
@cjfeinberg7613
2 жыл бұрын
So, nothing beats it except toxic deluge, cyclonic rift, and farewell, shadow spear plus any board wipe, Ugin, and a whole bunch of other stuff?
@FRAAANKYSUUUPER
2 жыл бұрын
Wait... BOTH Linvala's don't have EDH points?!? O .o
@Aggrobuns
2 жыл бұрын
This list was never not Thalia.
@SeanLarsDogma
2 жыл бұрын
I’m probably in the minority not liking the addition of EDH REC. I only like cards getting points from Pro Tour/Grand Prix tournaments. Nice video anyway!
@anannoyedpanda
2 жыл бұрын
Why lol.
@tefnutofhoney2832
Жыл бұрын
Even if iona werent banned in edh, at most itd make a tiny amount of influence. Who knew, the card isnt worth playing if you cant cheat it out turn 2 and shut the monocolor player out of the game with no interaction or counterplay
@MrBrownLostHisM00
2 жыл бұрын
I like the update to include EDH metrics!
@Kokonutzlz
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like there should be points for having the creatures in the deck as well? Maybe 0.5 points for each commander deck they are included in where they are not the commander.
@ClexYoshi
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the nod to my format of choice, but it also seems very strange to begin doing this via Mono White, the most notoriously rough mono-color to work with. I'd also like to note that I think it's fascinating that this is the first metric you've used that you can actively lose points for thanks to the fact that EDHRec only keeps data for it's last two years.
@Seltaeb_
2 жыл бұрын
Am I tripping or should Sram have 32 points? 9+5(2)+13 = 32...?
@jorgemendieta8085
2 жыл бұрын
Me before knowing the EDH inclusion: 2mv Thalia will win. Me still right: Victory.
@latsblaster
2 жыл бұрын
No Brimaz?
@bonidc6732
2 жыл бұрын
I dont really like this scoring system, as you said EDH is a casual format and much cards are often put to fill decks or without much sense in the sinergy I dont really support this one :/
@RibusPQR
2 жыл бұрын
The EDH points are only awarded if the card is the commander.
@MoogleEmpMog
2 жыл бұрын
Including points from EDHRec skews this list and makes it impossible to compare the cards on it to other lists you've done. Huge, huge minus compared to all the other MTG Top 10s focused on competitive cards, and I'm afraid I have to give this a Dislike. Fingers crossed you'll abandon this soon (and revisist mono-white legendaries with their real competitive ranks someday).
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
This is only something I'm going to do on legendary creature lists, it isn't a permanent change. Also funny that you hate it so much, since the comments are filled with positivity about it!
@jinxed7915
2 жыл бұрын
@@NizzahonMagic if we're being honest, the comments are also filled with people who didn't like giving points from EDHRec. It's just.. it's just a bad idea to be honest. The whole premise of these videos is to evaluate how good a card is, based on their success in competitive Magic. As an example, *Sisay, Weatherlight Captain* is the 10th most popular commander, yet they have absolutely 0 top 8s whatsoever. It completely defeats the purpose of these videos by including a metric based off of popularity (and not even overall popularity, just whatever decks have a creature as their commander), an issue I fear will be even more egregious if you start looking at legendary creatures in other colors which will almost certainly bring with them more weighted EDHRec points that invalidate other cards' objective performance.
@sultanofswing44
2 жыл бұрын
Before seeing the video, my guess is thalia
@sultanofswing44
2 жыл бұрын
Lol, I did not see the commander thing coming.
@sultanofswing44
2 жыл бұрын
I was still right, take that commander.
@sombat2788
2 жыл бұрын
No Brimaz? :'/
@SerathDarklands
2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Akroma isn't on here. But then again, I know nothing about competitive Magic.
@magnesium13
2 жыл бұрын
Akroma is good, but not good enough outside of edh. It's not THAT crazy good if you simply curve into it, and it's way overshadowed if you try to cheat it into play in stronger formats with griselbrand, emrakul, or the stuff on this list. It's basically just a French vanilla creature that doesn't swing the game with lifelink, draw cards, or anything crazy.
@OrbGoblin
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that extra metric was a nice touch, good work man.
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@Fellknauel
2 жыл бұрын
Elesh Norn eleven times
@rayzhang7591
2 жыл бұрын
Commander is not even a competitive format. Why bother including them in the evaluation
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
It is just a small bonus for being a popular commander. Makes sense on a list about legendary creatures.
@cristiancea85
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly the number one is what i was expecting
@bstachutheuneatable1727
2 жыл бұрын
I rly like the EDH element. Kinda funny you started it on mono white commanders tho
@Chace957
2 жыл бұрын
Love the edh inclusion!
@whiteygaming6427
2 жыл бұрын
Good choices adding the extra point for commander.
@NizzahonMagic
2 жыл бұрын
I think so too!
@InsanityPlea100
2 жыл бұрын
*when this creature enters the battlefield, draw 2 cards. Your opponent draws 2 cards. Your opponent looks at your hand and selects 2 cards for you to discard. You gain 2 life for each creature your opponent chose for you to discard. If you gained life this turn, give your opponent a hug and thank them for giving you a chance; otherwise lose the game.' White 4 drop 2/2 mythic Mono white player review, probably: 'Holy cr*p, I get to draw 2 cards! And it even has the human creature type and isn't a 1/1 weeny! Totally worth the $400 for non foil a set!'
@mariocontiki
2 жыл бұрын
misses eight and half tails.
@jinxed7915
2 жыл бұрын
I'll be honest, I didn't like giving points for EDHRec decks. At all. In the slightest. At most, you should *maybe* give a point for every 500 decks, because a point per 100 is too much and skews the list. But honestly I'd prefer not to see any points from EDH at all. The whole point of these lists are to show us which cards are best in COMPETITIVE formats, and including points from EDHRec (which isn't even necessarily an indicator of how good a card is objectively) defeats the whole purpose. I think if you wanted to do separate videos where you list what you think are the best white commanders that would be fine, but I really hope we don't see another video like this one. Dislike. 👎
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