I generally consider non-combat targeted damage as by this scale: 1 dmg: pinging 2 dmg: shocking 3 dmg: bolting 4+ dmg: burning I think it works pretty well, since they related to specific popular card designs or cards, such as obviously shock for 2, lightning bolt/lightning helix/chain lightning (all lightning bolt related) for 3, fireblast/char/banefire (all burning something) for 4+.
@TreeCutterDoug
4 жыл бұрын
Accurate assessment.
@streetpeter3210
4 жыл бұрын
That's what I was gonna comment but didn't think as far as Burning. Nicely done with that one! Thanks for comment!
@TheRealmDrifter
4 жыл бұрын
What would you call dealing 13 damage?
@Paulthored
4 жыл бұрын
I have approval for this viewpoint on targeted damage... I wonder where pestilence/Pyromania figure.
@streetpeter3210
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealmDrifter Triskaideka-Damage?
@Windowlick_
4 жыл бұрын
I think you should have mentioned that Wrenn and Six is banned in Legacy, and is the only card that is banned in Legacy but still legal in Modern. It was completely dominating Legacy before the ban in all sorts of decks, including various temur delver decks. Getting locked under a W6 and Wasteland combo is brutal.
@NotYourAverageNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Underworld Breach too
@bruhbruh4329
4 жыл бұрын
I always thought that was because it could loop strip mine.
@SirZapdos
4 жыл бұрын
@@bruhbruh4329 - Strip Mine is banned in Legacy.
@bruhbruh4329
4 жыл бұрын
@@SirZapdos Oh yeah. Forgot.
@skirk248
4 жыл бұрын
And one is the toughness number in legacy for the most part
@GreatgoatonFire
4 жыл бұрын
Idea for a future list: Top 10 Cards that got their first/only points in Pioneer.
@atlys258
4 жыл бұрын
Might be a while before we get this vid, but damn it's a great idea! 👌👌👌
@bootblacking
4 жыл бұрын
The Australians in the audience are wondering where the drugs are
@anarmy0fbees569
4 жыл бұрын
Lmao was about to post that
@ThatChrisFella
4 жыл бұрын
I thought this was an april fools joke vid and now I'm disappointed
@manjibean4015
4 жыл бұрын
The brits too
@tonajki
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The last time I had a blue pinger it didn’t do 1 damage, it tore my head off.
@Daijaga
4 жыл бұрын
Oh no, my beautiful boy Gelectrode didn’t make the cut! I know he wasn’t pro level meta but in my local guild brawl I got assigned Izzet and me and the Dragonaughts rode Gelly to electro-gooey victory!
@Proclaimfame
4 жыл бұрын
That U/R counter burn was such a fun deck to play. Remands and Telling Time, splashing in some W for WoG and lightning helix
@kriosuranous3440
4 жыл бұрын
Since the one guy is always asking for top 10 non-power 9 vintage cards, I’m gonna ask for the complete opposite with the “Top 10 Power Nine cards”
@TreeCutterDoug
4 жыл бұрын
It's the power nine, minus the twister for Library and bazaar is number ten.
@benblatz8558
4 жыл бұрын
@@TreeCutterDoug no workshop?
@magicolt53
4 жыл бұрын
VaTreeGuy time vault?
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
4 жыл бұрын
Perfect balance.
@eddie1993
4 жыл бұрын
Library of Alexandria?
@Haurent
4 жыл бұрын
Something really cool about these top 10's is that I learn about mtg cards I had no idea existed and give me more ideas of decks and how they can work
@marcoottina654
2 жыл бұрын
I advice you with Gelectrode and both Izzet Staticaster and Polymorphist's Jest :D
@pauljimerson8218
4 жыл бұрын
Pingers are always Tims in my book
@MAskedGoblin
4 жыл бұрын
Only some called him Tim
@Wing0fSilver
4 жыл бұрын
I was hoping I'd find this comment
@ultimateo621
4 жыл бұрын
Wrenn and Six is banned in legacy which you probably should have mentioned
@carboncuber3147
4 жыл бұрын
Niv-Mizzet Parun is my favorite pinger. He was the first commander I built around.
@vaughnbocchino
4 жыл бұрын
You can tell that Nizzahon has a PhD in history because he always defines his terms.
@SpitefulAZ
4 жыл бұрын
lol, the way you said "engbringer brought us to the end of the list"
@catoticneutral
4 жыл бұрын
Dang, Firewalker is a blue creature that can ping, has fire in its name, fire in its artwork, and to top it all off, as a last "eff you" to red, it has protection from red.
@mattblom3990
4 жыл бұрын
I always liked Vulshock Sorcerer, I get why it isn't on the list but in my early days in Magic (along with my friends that joined me around Mirrodin block) having four of her in a deck I worked hard to collect was awesome at the time against my friends similarly new and underpowered decks.
@dustinmccoskey2656
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah vulshok wasn't but cunning sparkmage was #5 lol... They're almost the exact same thing but vulshok has 1 power instead of zero... I love my red Dragon deck that has 4 of each lol
@dustinmccoskey2656
4 жыл бұрын
@etru6 yeah I get that... I just run it in flat red so I don't have that problem lol
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
4 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I'm way too high on pingas to watch this video about pingers. But once the high wears off, can you do "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"?
@nickbalmes6640
4 жыл бұрын
😂
@Ha7su
4 жыл бұрын
Im surprised not to see Izzet Staticaster
@JalebJay
4 жыл бұрын
Think he completely ignored it seeing as it doesn't target players. Swore it was going to be number 1 seeing as it was decent in standard, and a common sideboard in both Twin and Kiki-Pod.
@felipemigueldiasrosa9396
4 жыл бұрын
I thought it would be top one.
@marcoottina654
2 жыл бұрын
@@JalebJay also, it combos perfectly with Polymorphist's Jest, which allows a sided wipe out by making all enemy creatures an ability-less 1/1 Frog with the same name :D
@spitfire4209
4 жыл бұрын
Thought this video was about something else until I realized he was talking about creatures that tap for damage. Like Geez man, Nizzahon has taken up some alternative addictive past times during his Covid isolation.
@andyspendlove1019
4 жыл бұрын
*Dr. Robotnik wants to know your location*
@WestPictures
4 жыл бұрын
Snoop pingers usual, I see
@leovalenzuela8368
4 жыл бұрын
I understood that reference.
@Heil_Seitan
4 жыл бұрын
PINGAS
@JayAshborne
4 жыл бұрын
Cunning spark mage was paired with basilisk collar in worldwake standard. It was an EQ that gave it death touch and life link, and killed large threats like banelslayer angel.
@presenceofthemastermtg5962
4 жыл бұрын
I once saw a flavor text in eternal masters that was a quoting a "shadow guildmage," and I assumed it was a reprint from ravnica. I kind of wonder what the shadow guild was. It looks like ravnican guildmages might have been based off of the shadow guildmage: a spellacasting class creature with two different colored activated abilities? Sound familiar.
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, there is a whole cycle of them in Mirage, each associated with a different 3 color combination. They are the first guildmages.
@EidoEndy
3 жыл бұрын
A group of friends from back in high school used to call them 'plinkers', and damage plink-ing. I just think it's funny comparing terms from local groups to the mtg cults's semi-official lexicon.
@marcoottina654
2 жыл бұрын
As some mentioned, the Gelectrode is so much nice as a pinger in red/blue control decks, especially if supported by Eather Vial to avoid weighting down on mana. Also, the Izzet Staticaster would have been a nice addition if it wasn't for the "or players" requirement: she combos perfectly with Polymorphist's Jest, which allows a sided wipe out by making all enemy creatures an ability-less 1/1 Frog with the same name :D
@nickbalmes6640
4 жыл бұрын
Huh that Top 1 took me by surprise. I knew it was powerful but it just feels that the ping ability is just gravy for it :)
@Bahamut-ie3tk
4 жыл бұрын
Goblin Sharpshooter with deathtouch can wipe out most creatures.
@aarlavaan
4 жыл бұрын
sharpshooter also works really well with equipment that give deathtouch.
@superbaas8822
4 жыл бұрын
I feel not mentioning wasteland even once on Wren and Six was a legitimate tragedy.
@tym6217
2 жыл бұрын
Putting a deathtouch equipment on my goblin sharpshooter is always a beating in edh.
@ketchakik
4 жыл бұрын
Landing a Koth against control decks always felt so good especially if you volt charged then ultimated the turn after he came down
@autobotjazz1972
4 жыл бұрын
Pinger = card that can deal 1 dmg ( non combat ) to any target per turn with out having to sacc themselves or another card.
@nocapsrage
4 жыл бұрын
Great vid! I always thought of pingers as fitting all your criteria but including permanent that can only damage players. In some ways the recent spear spewer was a pinger in my eyes
@nikos731
4 жыл бұрын
11:00 Don't know how to tell you this but..... W&6 was banned in Legacy about 6 months ago. Please keep up with the formats.
@SephonDK
4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. It's been a rough couple of days but your format is just so calming. Hope you're having fun with the water fowl.
@davispo7550
4 жыл бұрын
I think that cards that only hit players count as pingers, and we rarely get pingers that target any target now. Nettle Drone, for example, is a pinger to me
@ryanpeters3812
4 жыл бұрын
I originally thought of Goblin Fireslinger, since I thought the same
@Proclaimfame
4 жыл бұрын
Gelectrode just came out at the wrong time but it was just a great concept.
@xenasBS
4 жыл бұрын
Ping would be an awesome keyword though. Could you imagine a card having _ping 3_ to indicate tapping a card to do 3 damage? I know its not the definition used by this video but I like the idea.
@KalosPVP
4 жыл бұрын
I loved Prodigal Sorcerer in early type 2. It was the only creature in my Icy Manip / Winter Orb / Wrath of God / Armageddon style deck.
@Ahdbfbfbeh
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve always called this mechanism Tim Do you ever recall this Timming?
@XEndlessSteelX
4 жыл бұрын
Aw dang, I expected every mention of "pingers" in this video with the Dr Robotnik "(snoo)pingas(usual I see!)".
@ricklawrence7215
4 жыл бұрын
Fireslinger is gross with Basilisk Collar. Tap to off a creature or ping a player or walker and gain a net of 1 life
@tuluaaivao3527
4 жыл бұрын
Hoping for Kamahl, Pit Fighter...
@LunarWingCloud
4 жыл бұрын
I think anything that can deal 1 damage repeatedly in some form is a pinger. Tapping, every turn via activated ability, maybe an upkeep trigger, whatever it is, recurring 1 damage is a pinger to me.
@oxpolitik
4 жыл бұрын
Three people got pinged by Tim too many times in the 90's...
@ComradeVenus
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting that grapeshot wasn't on this list. I would think it's really good because it's an amazing combo finisher.
@jakeapplegate6642
4 жыл бұрын
Permanents repeatable was part of his criteria.
@volfgang1393
4 жыл бұрын
My family calls the sorcerer the tim because he looks like someone my dad knew. We say Tim instead of ping lol
@tonythepokemonguy751
4 жыл бұрын
Bringing up Rebels brought up bad war memories
@ericd1022
4 жыл бұрын
A pinger top 10 without THE pinger, mah boi Tim, Prodigal Sorcerer.
@GadwickTheWizened
4 жыл бұрын
That goblin was a fun guy.
@autobotjazz1972
4 жыл бұрын
pulla non foil copy of Wrenn and Six, just before the legacy ban. Ended up trading it at my LGS for cards i needed for EDH decks.
@PokeBattlerJaze
4 жыл бұрын
No idea this time around so guessing the only one that comes to mind, Thermo Alchemist? Edit: Didn't even appear on the list, ouch.
@josephmoore286
4 жыл бұрын
I remember opening a Goblin Sharpshooter once and thought "ugh, this cards so bad". I am surprised you did not mention how he combos super well with Kamahl, Fist of Krosa. Drop him on a board with the goblin and the next turn your opponent will never have land again.
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
There are many fun sharpshooter combos. I only mentioned the Goblin ones because thats where all his points are.
@streetpeter3210
4 жыл бұрын
#3 Goblins are good in Legacy now!
@smeltdipper2000
4 жыл бұрын
so there wasn't a time when any of the niv-mizzet's accrued enough points to make the list or were they excluded for some reason? each one does ping for one damage at a time and it is any target as well as being able to do it multiple times. one of them even has a tap ability to do it once per turn.
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
Niv-mizzet Parun would have made the list, buy I don't consider a conditional trigger to be straight up pinging.
@woodysmith2681
2 жыл бұрын
I preferred Embermage Goblins in my Goblins deck. Goblin Warchief gives them Haste and lowers the cost for casting more per turn. 2 turns to bring out 4 pingers with Haste was...rude...judging by the comments it got.
@FlawlessRythym
4 жыл бұрын
Paused at 1:28 Wrenn and Six is going to be the planeswalker and it's going to be #1, calling it now.
@alyssinwilliams4570
4 жыл бұрын
Also.. Horseshoe Crab + Hermetic Study!
@Artharios77
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone have any fun focused edh decks around pingers? I saw the Tim deck on The Command Zone recently, but what you all were running? One of my favorite jank decks ever was an extended deck that had Goblin Sharpshooter with deathtouch, tapping/untapping, and dying effects.
@theonlymegumegu
4 жыл бұрын
Was Walking Ballista disqualified from the list? I'm really surprised it didn't make it.
@dr.tre90
4 жыл бұрын
Paupers shout "where is Thermo-Alchemist?"
@marvthereddevil5418
4 жыл бұрын
Great work as always :) Just out of interest, does Icatian Javelineer have any points under your scoring system?
@leebode4643
3 ай бұрын
1 damage was Tim'ing. The name Tim with the suffix added on. When did that go forgotten?
@joshtyree7755
4 жыл бұрын
It is sad the the OG Prodicial Scorcer didn't make the list
@dragonmaster613
4 жыл бұрын
Does the Goblin Sharpshooter affect itself? Like dealing damage to a 1 toughness creature?
@aaronhedrick2431
4 жыл бұрын
Chandra's magmutt is gonna climb the list 🤣
@matthewbesherse7001
4 жыл бұрын
So I’ve always included cards that only hit face and not creatures as pingers as well. As the biggest point (in my intelligent but not professional opinion) for pingers is as a win condition. The ability to kill X/1s is a bonus not a requirement. However like I said. Just my opinion.
@hrviews00magnaball
4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! Have a good day
@jonathandunne9662
4 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised Razorfin Hunter didn’t make the list, seeing how he’s a better version of Fireslinger, albeit multi-colored
@marcoottina654
2 жыл бұрын
I guess both the "old" age and, in particular, the heavy downside of being a hard multicolor (which differs from Ravnica's half-colors) restricted him, even if its CMC is just 2 rather than 3 or more
@slimyfister
3 жыл бұрын
Mitsubishi's, tomorrowlands, oh wait this is magic
@mx.winterwolf
4 жыл бұрын
Who else was saddened to not see Prodigal Sorcerer on this list? The original pinger
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
It has 4 points.
@jasonrustmann9876
4 жыл бұрын
Dr Robotnik: *pingus intensifies*
@alyssinwilliams4570
4 жыл бұрын
Huh.. I think Magic Mics is also doing Top-10 Pingers this week. Did you guys coordinate? Cause that would be great if you had :)
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
Haha nope!
@mikechurchill1071
4 жыл бұрын
Should have called it RUG Delver like it’s called and you should have mentioned it was banned in Legacy because the combo with wasteland is just dumb and would cause people to be locked out of the game dude to getting wastelanded over and over for the rest of the game lol. It was super OP in Legacy with getting back fetchlands to reset brainstorms and as I mentioned to be able to wasteland over and over and over all game long. Was annoying and wayyyy OP
@Coeurebene1
4 жыл бұрын
I have fond memories of Hecatomb. Not a good card, but the flavor was cool.
@soldancer
3 жыл бұрын
Well, Wrenn and Six are definitely not going to be putting up points in legacy anytime soon...
@sonsysy4195
4 жыл бұрын
Cunning sparkmage + basilisk collar
@MmKayUltra1
4 жыл бұрын
This week we will have a MTG top tim.
@MakiMaki.
4 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I've always considered creatures that can deal 1 damage to either only creatures or players to be "pingers" as well.
@andrewmoore7014
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like mentioning that Wrenn and Six was banned from legacy for being busted as hell might have been good.
@AidanWR
4 жыл бұрын
Just went through to see if there were any keyword videos missing, and intimidate doesn't have a video, but thinking about the creatures with intimidate, would it even be possible to make a video from creatures with intimidate?
@jakeapplegate6642
4 жыл бұрын
Aidan Weiss-Rice if you included fear then there would be plenty. Intimidate hasn’t been printed in a while and I think they have said that it has been replaced by menace and is not likely to be printed on any new cards.
@AidanWR
4 жыл бұрын
@@jakeapplegate6642 He's already done one on fear
@nallenthepuh
4 жыл бұрын
Wrenn and six is banned in legacy and has been for a while.
@mattthelumber3234
4 жыл бұрын
where's my boy thermo alchemist ;_;
@nickbalmes6640
4 жыл бұрын
Sadly Thermo Alchemist can only ping players so it didn't qualify. I have fond memories of that card too :(
@thatonedudejake
4 жыл бұрын
He's rocking as an all star in pauper burn
@DunktLOL
4 жыл бұрын
Hello Nizzahon, might I suggest that you move your explanation to the description and say to look there for an explanation or something. As a long time viewer, I now need to skip nearly 1/4 into the video to get to the good part. On mobile that takes maybe 25 taps right. It might sound petty, but I'm guessing many of us prefer to skip to the good part too, and the long intros aren't very standard in these types of videos. In fact, it's why on for example Kripparian's channel, the top comment is often skip the kripp. Please consider it for us long time viewers. Thank you
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
Every intro is different, and imparts important info, like definitions, the number of cards that were elligible, etc., If you want to skip intros you can, but they aren't all identical - only the brief score part is. So, I will continue to include them.
@MaisonL
4 жыл бұрын
If you are from Aus, Top 10 Pingas is a whole different thing...
@anarmy0fbees569
4 жыл бұрын
Coming in at number 10 we ha- bro what is this song called its a fucking banger
@NotAnEvilMastermind
4 жыл бұрын
I would love to know where my pal Gelectrode scores on this, if they do have any points at all.
@sallomon2357
4 жыл бұрын
I know that they probably don't have many points, but what are the scores of Prodigal Sorcerer and Prodigal Pyromancer?
@jasonsmith7530
4 жыл бұрын
Can you clarify why Izzet Staticaster didn’t qualify for the list? He’d surely be on here somewhere if he did.
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't fit the definition I outlined in the beginning.
@cainfft008
4 жыл бұрын
@@NizzahonMagic Your definitions are dumb sometimes lol.
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
@@cainfft008 Have to define things some how in a list like this.
@cainfft008
4 жыл бұрын
@@NizzahonMagic exactly how I like my magic rigid and full of bad blue spells. lol been inside too long I suppose I'm too harsh.
@DragonWorldCZ
4 жыл бұрын
Like it, but not sooo sure about the last thought....
@Graatand
4 жыл бұрын
Gee, I wonder what could be number 1 on this list 🚶🏹
@darkmatter32x
4 жыл бұрын
Where is mah boi Thermo Alchemist. That dude rocks back in standard.
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
Was not a pinger by my definition as explained in the intro.
@alanyuan8565
4 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised no izzet staticaster
@PremPnamNam
4 жыл бұрын
Top 10 megacycles perhaps?
@garmatey3816
4 жыл бұрын
Wow surprised there’s no Izzet staticaster
@b800294
4 жыл бұрын
Isn't Suq'Ata Firewalker's first ability exactly shroud from red?
@MosoKaiser
4 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@theunwelcome
4 жыл бұрын
wait, would the javelineer actually have made the list had you not DQ'd it? I always thought it was a pretty subpar creature, even for white weenie decks...
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
It has 7 points.
@theunwelcome
4 жыл бұрын
that genuinely surprises me
@manjibean4015
4 жыл бұрын
Top 10 pingers 10. Blue Nintendo's 9. Gold bars
@theocunha713
4 жыл бұрын
Woah, I thought niv Mizzet would be in the list
@NizzahonMagic
4 жыл бұрын
Did not meet my definition of pinger.
@DR-lz1zv
4 жыл бұрын
outro tune is kinda dope. Does anyone know it???
@TimmytheSorcerer
4 жыл бұрын
There can only be one ☝️
@Orcasgt22
Жыл бұрын
No Mayhem Devil? No way.
@NizzahonMagic
Жыл бұрын
Look at the date of this video.
@Orcasgt22
Жыл бұрын
@@NizzahonMagic Exactly Mayhem Devil came out in War of The Spark, May 3rd 2019. Cauldron Familiar and Witches' Oven were in October of 2019. This video is March 31 2020. I guess its not impossible since the first Eldraine event was Oko central but once Oko was banned Cat/Oven Devil was a dominate deck.
@Orcasgt22
Жыл бұрын
@@NizzahonMagic I just looked at worlds of that year. I now see why devil isn't here. That was pretty much the only event was eligible in and it got zip cause Covid stopped everything else. Stupid covid!
@hobez64
3 жыл бұрын
#1 - all the trigger happy @everyone discord admins
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