"Is G# in the scale of C Major?" Finally! A music theory question I can answer! :D
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
Hard questions first!
@chonkypixel1006
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Somebody needs to ask the hard questions.
@jensjensen4038
3 жыл бұрын
But is A flat in the key of C major? XD
@titaan814
3 жыл бұрын
@@jensjensen4038 I believe it isn't, though I can never be sure
@kjellbeats
Жыл бұрын
@@jensjensen4038 how about C flat? ;)
@Rockhopper1
3 жыл бұрын
Chromatic Mediant I got a cream for that, it cleared up in a few days.
@johnb6723
3 жыл бұрын
Lol.
@ncmartinez_his
3 жыл бұрын
You stole my home! Ha!
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha....
@martifingers
3 жыл бұрын
Recovery is often hastened if you are prescribed a tonic. I'll get my coat...
@Rockhopper1
3 жыл бұрын
@@martifingers no sugar in mine yes I prefer a diettonic
@Nicoladen1
Жыл бұрын
You're seriously one of the most brilliant people. Not only do you teach extraordinarily well, but you have the brightest personality. We need more people like you! 👏🏻
@mrchain.6289
Жыл бұрын
Here, here!
@wizard77781
9 ай бұрын
God I wish I had him as a theory teacher what a god
@andytree9696
6 ай бұрын
FYI, another similar music theory channel is Implied Music.
@MrRelax3737
3 жыл бұрын
Guy......YOU are an excellent teacher and wonderful composer. Thank you for all of the help! Doug G in LV
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
thank you
@chonkypixel1006
3 жыл бұрын
I tried reading the Wikipedia entry on this... It didn't go well.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
Some of this stuff actually makes sense if you ignore the strictly technical - probably more accurate - terminology and definitions. I go for the quick dirty and actually comprehensible version.
@chonkypixel1006
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Hm. Either they changed the description or I know more theory now. It actually makes sense. I'll go with the latter because it makes me feel better.
@chonkypixel1006
3 жыл бұрын
You're right though, sometimes a good rule of thumb or a feel for something is more important than a strict definition.
@neils2474
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation and that's why we love what you do! Keep up the excellent work... my music theory knowledge expands with every video!
@malluxmusic
3 жыл бұрын
Right, I'm having a composing sesh later this evening, I will deliberately lob in a couple of chromatic mediants in your honour.
@aeronviladomini580
3 жыл бұрын
Would augmented and diminished chords +/- a Major / Minor 3rd from the tonic also be considered chromatic mediants?
@LaurinaHawks
2 жыл бұрын
You may call them chromatic augmented/diminished mediants, if you like.
@jjc75019
3 жыл бұрын
I love Guy, but Music Theory in 5 seconds: Does it sound good? Yes, play it. No, don't play it.
@peterpike
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite use of the Chromatic Mediant is actually for modulation, since my favorite way to modulate is to pick up the entire piece and drop it back in transposed up a minor third. I "came up with" the technique by accident solely because of the mathematical properties it has. Basically, I was doing a song and wanted to cycle through modulations until I returned to the original key. I was going to do it by modulating up by 4 semitones three times, but decided to try modulating just three semitones instead (which would give me four modulations before returning to the original key). Happily, I discovered it sounded amazing to do that. Before that trick, I would often modulate to the five chord via the "five of five" technique (so to modulate from C to G, you throw in a D major first sort of thing), but modulating up a minor third didn't require any setup of the dominant or to throw in a leading tone, etc. I loved it because you could play something 100% diatonic and then instantly modulate on a repeat and it adds a burst of energy to it with a sort of surprise modulation out of the blue.
@sophiafake-virus2456
2 жыл бұрын
I'm new to music theory, and your idea sounds interesting. I think your explanation was clear (well done!). Just to be sure I am following you, would you mind explaining further, by coming up with a 4 chord progression, and then tell me what the chords would be, after you transposed them. Please.
@jgoogle4256
9 ай бұрын
Can you please explain how you are able to instantly modulate to the minor third? If you’re going from C major to Eb major I would think you would in fact need some bridging chord. Or you could use the diminished chord with dominant function which is the same in both c major and Eb major if that’s what you’re referring to.
@mikegeld1280
5 ай бұрын
I kinda think u jumbled this a bit mate ,I followed it though, and now I know why the 6 is sub mediant ,bravo ty
@tomhick5372
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Guy, super excited to watch this video! Just wanted to let you know that I started a subreddit in your honour (www.reddit.com/r/GuyMichelmore?) where (hopefully) people can share music and sample libraries and talk and all of that. Just wanted to let you know, because I didn't want to do it if you're not comfortable with that. If you aren't, let me know and I will of course delete the subreddit. However, if you think that sounds like a good idea, I look forward to seeing some people there to share their compositions!
@baconfirre
3 жыл бұрын
Please keep doing these. The format is so easy to absorb and the knowledge sticks!
@noisesoff3985
3 жыл бұрын
Still being stalked by him then?
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
Cant get rid of him - hiding in the shrubbery, in the cupboard....
@chonkypixel1006
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation What's he going to do? Attack you with Lydian Dominant?
@666Eidolon666
3 жыл бұрын
@@chonkypixel1006 first he has to "scale" the "flat" wall... teehee
@nefdsnet
3 жыл бұрын
I hope it's a nice shrubbery. NI!
@iamKASETA
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that is very useful indeed! Really would like to see more of these short videos on advanced music theory topics
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
OK!
@daleturner
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting! I have always categorized (relative to a "C" tonic) Eb major (bIII) and Ab major (bVI) as being from the parallel minor (C minor), or "modal interchange." And E major (III) or A major (VI) as being "stripped-down" triadic versions of E7 or A7--functioning or non-functioning secondary dominants (V7 of vi and V7 of ii, whether or not they "resolved"), respectively. Leaving only Ebm (biii) and Abm (bvi) as "chromatic mediants" (those specific two being the super common eerie/spooky "film score" moves--especially in a minor key). But I see what you mean, a third on either side of the tonic, being some form of "mediant,"and if it has an illegal note, "chromatic." Thanks for covering this badass topic! LOADS of these (biii and bvi) in Thomas Newman's amazing SKYFALL score, btw!!
@ShaharHarshuv
3 жыл бұрын
"and you sudenly start sounding like Danny Elfman" 😂😂😂
@JC-lb2mg
3 жыл бұрын
de al motte once wrote: Mediants in Cmaj 1. degree. 2 common tones > Eminor > Aminor 2. degree 1 common tone > Emmas > Eb maj > Amman > Ab maj 3. degree. no common tone > Ab minor > Eb minor which shows the relation between the chords and makes using and composing eioth them a bit more logical...
@35milesoflead
2 жыл бұрын
You missed one. The Ab#5.
@QuirqUK
3 жыл бұрын
Presumably Edim, Eb dim, Adim, Ab dim, E+, Eb+ etc would also count as chromatic mediants?
@YourLastBreaths
3 жыл бұрын
Also curious about this
@Fassislau
3 жыл бұрын
since those chords are not exactly "stable" as major or minor chords, they are indeed used, but more as a "secondary dominant" function, which is a different function than "chromatic mediants", which, even though are chromatic, are quite "stable" chords, compared to the ones you mentioned :)
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
Yup - but Im not sure they work as well - Francisco is right. Play them -if they work for you go for it
@Fix_My_Mix
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't the opposite of "diatonic" notes "non-diatonic" notes rather than "chromatic" (which refers to the possible use of all twelve tones as a resource)? In other words, don't we say that G# is a non-diatonic note in the key of C major?
@jurt3nland
3 жыл бұрын
yes
@simonpassmore
3 жыл бұрын
Both are fine
@jurt3nland
3 жыл бұрын
@@simonpassmore no. chromatic is just wrong in this context whilst non-diatonic is the precise term
@simonpassmore
3 жыл бұрын
@@jurt3nland That's okay, both make sense. G# is both a chromatic and a non-diatonic note in the scale of C
@simonpassmore
3 жыл бұрын
@@jurt3nland From Groves: In melodic and harmonic analysis the term ‘chromatic’ is generally applied to notes marked with accidentals foreign to the scale of the key in which the passage is written.
@WojciechKobus
3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Nice material, but...still not much about using it, maybe some chord progression examples? Are chromatic mediant chords most often used chromatic chords in music when going out of the diatonic box? Is it most often used way of modulation? How about leading melody with those chords? How about extending those chords? Thanx anyway Guy!
@TheClassicalSauce
3 жыл бұрын
You're a great teacher, Guy. Thank you for the great videos! Love you buddy!
@stevebell6034
3 жыл бұрын
I think of The Doors "Light My Fire" which has the Am to F#m use of the Chromatic Mediant, which creates the "moody" feeling. Thanks Guy for the lesson!
@MrJammer
3 жыл бұрын
2:58 Doggo!!
@matthew.wilson
18 күн бұрын
But why the particular fuss over chromatic mediants? What about chromatic dominants or chromatic tonics? Is it just that we've given those different names?
@jeremylangdon9464
9 күн бұрын
Was reading online for these answers and needed something in black and white to explain it and knew I'd find it in video form. Perfectly done, thanks.
@wallendiaz
29 күн бұрын
Mmmm, but that E Major chord is in the C Aeolian Harmonic scale, that means that even though it is not in the C Ionian scale it is still in a key related to C, which means it is Modal not Chromatic, Chromatic is when you introduce chords that are not related to any C scale, or that was what I had learned. 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@CesarDMarin
3 жыл бұрын
LOL!! at min 5:47 😂
@onnevankenobe
3 жыл бұрын
Danny Elfman is one of my favourite composers but I’m under the impression that you don’t like him very much, right?
@adrianaslund8605
10 күн бұрын
When you say the third should be at the bottom are you excluding inversions? Or is it very literal?
@TomCasey
3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what app Guy uses to show his keyboard on screen like that?
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
This is a brand new one called Midiculous gospelmusicians.com/midiculous/
@TomCasey
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation thanks, Guy!
@dobaredobare7387
5 ай бұрын
Really awesome tutorial. First time hearing such a clear explanation of chromatic mediants.❤
@BILLY-px3hw
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Guy Thanks!!! Now all I have to do is try to make them sound good on guitar, it is so alien sounding trying to sneak these chords into a progression. I just will them into place until they start to make sense, it is literally like trying to learn a new language. I still have a very thick C major accent
@DEADLINETV
3 жыл бұрын
I like how you explained this, very clear! But still, I would love to have seen more implementations of this. Maybe even examples from famous pieces. I have that same issue with modes. I get what they are but don't know how to implement them...
@pedromoreira6324
10 ай бұрын
Also works with dimished chords or augmented? Like E°,E+,Eb°,Eb+,A°,A+,Ab°,Ab+?
@alontrigger
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, thanks, Guy!
@LindaMissad
3 жыл бұрын
I learned this in college when I got my music degree --- but somehow hearing you describe it, it makes more sense -- I hadn't thought about using the minor versions of the chromatic mediants....very cool -- as always -- thanks again, Guy
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Linda!
@foresterisen2478
2 жыл бұрын
The first I ever heard of this was in music school studying 16th century counterpoint and the cross-relations used by Carlo Gesualdo (d. 1613). He used chromatic mediants frequently and occasionally wildly. Such techniques were not used again until the late 19th century.
@nathancornwell1455
6 ай бұрын
So really you are just borrowing chords from the parallel Minor scale? That's what I've gathered anyways...
@ChristianPaulson-Music
Жыл бұрын
a "cheeky" G#. My son in law lived in London for 12 years and he uses that word too. I think it's so cute. What would a tune with the title "Cheeky!" sound like? hmm..
@deepfamiliar3416
Жыл бұрын
6:50 "...slightly dull and lifeless arrangement", *starts tugging at wedding ring* yikes. anywho, thanks for the lucid explanation, Guy! much appreciated
@eliadigaetano3207
3 жыл бұрын
2:58 DOGGOOOOOOO
@SecondTierSound
3 жыл бұрын
in Sweden we call the Mediant, the "Dominant Parallel". The logic behind it is the same as relative minors/majors. And the 2nd chord (for example Dm in C) is called a SubDominant Parallel. Because we are complicated... :) Personally I prefer the numbers (roman numerals), like how they do it in the states.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
If it sounds good it is good....even in Sweden :)
@SecondTierSound
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation that's true :)
@TheAtheistworld
Жыл бұрын
Nice vid, brother ❤ So these chr mediants are related by 3rds to a tonic, like: C A Eb C. That’s clear.. But what if I have: C A C# E C ?? Here C# is not from C, but it’s still related by 3rds to the neighbouring chords. So, is that C# still considered as chr mediant or what?? And Here’s an opposite ex: C F Ab G C. Here Ab is the only chord related by a 3rd to a tonic. So is this “insertion” still a chr mediant in theory?? And what if I use chords that have relationship of 3ds to their neighbours but not to a tonic: C Dm F# Dm B. Are they chr mediants still?? Can somebody clarify this sh.. Thnx. Cheers
@jeroenfigee
2 жыл бұрын
6:29 -> "all this sounds sort of fantasyesque, doesn't it?" And I was thinking ...... Kate Bush :-) (So you are right.) . So cool, I got all these notes from different video's and it still didn't make any sence. Watched this video and got it. Great that you used the different steps to get there. . Thumbs up + subscribed.
@pinkponyofprey1965
3 жыл бұрын
Chromatic does not mean "not in the scale" . A chromatic scale is an octave with all the 12 different tones in it. Moving tones chromatically up or down is moving them a half step at a time.
@oscarosicki
3 жыл бұрын
It can also mean not in the scale, when you use it as an adjective.
@loganstrong5426
3 жыл бұрын
Depends on context. Sometimes it refers to the chromatic scale, but in this case it's being used as the opposite of "diatonic," which (more or less) means "in the scale."
@charleshuguley9903
3 жыл бұрын
Picky, picky.
@pinkponyofprey1965
3 жыл бұрын
Well, the point I'm trying to make is that people who just heard the term chromatic may wonder what it has to do with music and then they hear it's used to describe the notes not in the scale. It's another matter for people who really have a good grasp of this. Then it's just a little stretch of the imagination and we get it. It's a bad primer though and the paint will peel off eventually so why not do it properly, if you're serious about your channel? Don't waste people's time with bad information.
@simongross3122
3 жыл бұрын
I thought chromatic meant colourful
@greenvelvet
3 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm glad you said it. It's not really the best explanation it's not useful to just have the chords, you can't really use them if you don't know what skills to use over them.
@curtisnewton895
6 ай бұрын
just fucking confusing... how do you start chosing the chords ??? just dont get it in regard of the first part of the explanation
@lukeomalley
2 жыл бұрын
fantastic explanation. Thank you!
@pappyfiddle
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of music terminology is strange, and some of it is downright inept. Like key = subset of 12-note scale, also key = piano lever that you press. In this video I see a LOT of this strangeness. I do better composing in integer notation, Your Mileage May Vary
@LohPro
Жыл бұрын
Would Augmented (III+) or diminished (iii*) not be considered chromatic chords? For example, (E Augmented) or (em7b5).
@andrewbevan4662
10 ай бұрын
Could you apply the same idea to other chords ? Chromatic Supertonic? Chromatic Dominant ?
@songfulmusicofsongs
8 ай бұрын
So the Nobody Knows You chord progression is a kind of chromatic mediants? Thanks for the info.
@anubhajain8419
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your precious knowledge with us ... Respect from india 🙏
@metaflanger1975
3 жыл бұрын
Hi there, if you ever get time I would like to know why augmented or diminished chords are not considered when discussing mediants? For example from C, Ab augmented is a major 3rd away and even shares a common tone of C so does this not still fulfil the criteria of a mediant chord? After all, C and Ebm share none, so my question is can't any chord type that can be achieved a major or minor third away (in either direction) from the root be considered a valid mediant? I totally get that there was a conservative approach to this and that it relaxed a little over time but I can't find any info that discusses why dim and aug chords cannot be part of the concept. I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this if possible. Thanks. Adam
@Aussie.Owlcoholic
3 жыл бұрын
Howard Shore throws chromatic mediants all over the Lord of the Rings soundtrack, definitely works well for heroic and fantasy music!
@awilk07
7 ай бұрын
I always confused the mediant and sub mediant and it never made sense why they were called those. Now after 30+ years of piano it makes sense!
@bonuebonue
3 жыл бұрын
Dear Guy, I wrote it many times, but I need to wrote one time again: you are the most inspirational channel about music, learning and sensing it in the right way, good feelings, positivity, humor and many more things, on KZitem and all the rest!!! Thank you immensely for your contribution to the beauty of this world, Stay safe, and again (did I say it jet?...): THANK YOU!! Christian R.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
YOu are very welcome thank you
@mattystuartsydney
Жыл бұрын
Question for Guy (or anyone who knows). How do you get that keyboard to show playing notes on the screen? (Cubase 12 Pro)
@Barefoot67
2 жыл бұрын
so which chord do you play AFTER a chromatic mediant? You go back to diatonic harmony you came from? Or are you now typically in a new key?
@xshayahyawzi3666
3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this stuff. It is otherwise a difficult topic to get through, I wasted two hours on it prior to finding your video
@NS-qi1ub
3 жыл бұрын
So, using the fancy word "chromatic mediant" is the same as to say that you invite your Facebook friends to the party, according to your explanation of the circle of fifths?
@feratgoogle
Жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation. Would these chords with an augmented 5 also be considered chromatic mediants?
@gkgyver
2 жыл бұрын
When you look at famous film music like Howard Shore's Farewell To Lorien for example, it's about 80% chord progressions in thirds.
@christianefleurant7089
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your explanation. Are mediants chords defined diatonic or chromatic only from a major scale? Because if we start with the c minor scale the E flat and A flat chords are in the scale of c minor. 🎶
@TheDriftinIsland
3 ай бұрын
If the mediant or submediant is a diminished or augmented chord, what are the extra chords I would use then?
@ChristianBlandford
Жыл бұрын
never subscribed so fast!
@KorbinMaze
9 ай бұрын
Watched the first ten seconds and immediately liked and subbed! Love it :)
@johnmac8084
2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, no messing. Liked & subbed, thanks
@malamute8257
9 ай бұрын
So to put it simply, is the purpose of a chromatic mediant just to have more chord relationships to arbitrarily choose from and they dont necessarily "go" in specific places?
@ju2705s
3 жыл бұрын
hä🙄 I don't understand anything but hopefully I will never need it.
@oibruv3889
3 жыл бұрын
The reason as far as i know for 6 being known as submediant is because the mediant is mediating the Tonic and Dominant, the submediant mediates the Subdominant to Tonic, hence inheriting the sub prefix
@shateq
9 ай бұрын
2:17 - 2:18 This switch 😂😂 Great educational material
@kahwigulum
2 жыл бұрын
If you ever want to make sad music or music that sounds evil, chromatic mediants are your friend.
@frankelda9403
3 жыл бұрын
Never heard about that before but it is a nice addition to the tools we can use to make music, thanks for this brilliant video! 🙏
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
It works great
@Pekka.Sundman
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t see the picture. Only your logo on the right side bottom. Should this be without video?
@vincentsalgueiro
3 жыл бұрын
Did you check to see if Danny Elfman was looming behind you?
@puipinm-music9818
3 жыл бұрын
"Yes, there's a reason for that... That's how it works."
@rondosal
2 жыл бұрын
So that is why there are major for or 5 major chords in some song? May be a dumb question. Haha
@danielbeach7177
3 жыл бұрын
That G# “hum” in the background of the audio provided an ironic twist to the whole thing 🤪
@johnmcvicker6728
3 жыл бұрын
I was going to write that too. Heater motor perhaps?
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
There is a fan that's causing me grief!
@chonkypixel1006
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Sorry, I'll keep quiet.
@simongross3122
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Maybe it needs tuning
@nigelworwood8530
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation The fan that is causing you grief is NOT ME!
@elianmusic7452
3 жыл бұрын
Guy, how on earth do i develop your wonderful attitude? I wish to have your lovely outlook on things and your lightness.
@peterreynolds8146
3 жыл бұрын
John Williams uses thirds which are major for Star Wars I will let you work it out.
@WhistlebirdInfinity
Жыл бұрын
So sus chords based on those are not considered medians? Deviant mediant? Meviants?
@mkartmkart6335
10 ай бұрын
Hello again :) Im back, and this time Rachmaninov sent me lol
@Zernobilly
2 жыл бұрын
How does the upper harmonies of those work? Is there any theory behind it or is this just triad stuff and you go from there?
@thibaultvallee9078
3 жыл бұрын
I m sorry but i dont understand the point of this Chromatic mediant Need more examples, how to use them?
@ncmartinez_his
3 жыл бұрын
Quick weasel check at 6:03, Guy?
@ThinkSpaceEducation
3 жыл бұрын
Elfman Alert
@ncmartinez_his
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation The ol' Oingo Boingo himself!
@ghosteyes2708
2 жыл бұрын
6:02 You looked genuinely scared for a moment. 😮
@aevanelstprojects8926
10 ай бұрын
Very clear explanation! Thank you!
@mkartmkart6335
2 жыл бұрын
Thanx a lot. FFVII-music sent me here :) Anyone else ? hehe
@hughscully
3 жыл бұрын
Channeling my inner Elfman. Thanks, Guy
@AbelTan-o3b
7 ай бұрын
How about E sharp and A sharp major/ minor?
@paulmitchell5349
3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for the jaunty ''can do'' style.
@kareemakhtar6691
5 ай бұрын
Sounds very Alan Silvestri ...
@ComposerAndiKrueger
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, that´s it ! 😂🤣😂🤣👍
@Chxrlotte
2 ай бұрын
This was SO useful, thank you!
@PascalPrautois
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! Thanks so much, very often use with film music.
@counterpoint1014
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Guy! I really like when you cover music theory topics such as this one, short and sweet. I feel many who cover these topics do so with much verbiage, so much that's it's easy to get lost. As a person who's well-trained in theory, I haven't forgotten that many are not well-trained. This is a good presentation to dispense information on chromatic mediants in just a few minutes. It also happens to be one of my favorite ways to harmonically explore a melodic theme.
@rabadash_smabadash
2 жыл бұрын
My favorite quote: "All this sounds vaguely sort of fantasy-esque, doesn't it. Yes, there's a good reason for that..." [me, expecting a detailed explanation] "...that's how it works." Thanks for the vid, Guy. It's a great, condensed reminder for those of us who have gotten a little fuzzy with their theory.
@cuteasxtreme
2 жыл бұрын
Lord of the rings soundtrack by Howard Shore as well as other things I’m sure
@Blondesax
3 жыл бұрын
Really, the fact that this has a name although it’s just part of a much larger pie (mode mixture) seems a little silly to me, but whatever it takes to break it down into digestible bits. Thanks as always for the lesson!
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