@Sentinel Apologetics, Do you actually have a study that says Ramses II didnt die in an airplane crash? Because if you dont, I can believe Ramses II died in an airplane crash. :-)
@celestialknight2339
5 ай бұрын
Do you have a study which proves that zombies invaded Israel with hundreds of witnesses, as Matthew’s Gospel reports?
@samwright3287
5 ай бұрын
@@celestialknight2339that is an apocalyptic thing. The people who are raised are the Christian martyrs in rev 20:4-6 at the general resurrection. If you want the publication just look up k.l waters Matthew 27 and it should show up
@busfeet2080
5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately you are up against the impenetrable wall of perfect logic that is presuppositional apologetics. The Quran is true, because the Quran is true. Therefore the Quran is true. It’s that simple. The Quran contradicts history in more ways than we can count? Well, the Quran is true, so history is wrong. Not much progress you can with this kind of person.
@undevelopmentteam
5 ай бұрын
2 hours in and I can feel the straws being grasped at
@CroElectroStile
5 ай бұрын
Why prioritize attestation for dating gospels? internal examination is essential in dating any historical document, for example analyzing the allusive strategies of each Evangelist uncovers their distinctive theology and perspective on Jesus Christ's work! This approach illuminates not only the content but also identifies the thought processes of the gospel writers within a specific historical context.
@19nineteenthirteen19
5 ай бұрын
I like my own comments. What?
@masterofwisdom6285
5 ай бұрын
Insane mental gymnastics
@daviddivad777
5 ай бұрын
can you upload debates vs atheists/agnostics too?
@undevelopmentteam
5 ай бұрын
Whoever spoke up at 3 hours has a point. If the koram says that there is a body, then the book is from God...
@undevelopmentteam
5 ай бұрын
His question "Can you show me something that has no relevance to our discussion, doesn't provide proof of anything, doesn't need to exist, and means that I've won debate in our discussion that was originally gracious?" I get what you're trying to do. There is no true answer to his question. I would say "No" then add "I don't need to"
@Rob__James
4 ай бұрын
Hey Rob... I saw your super chats on Grayson Brocks KZitem Live earlier. I also sent some super chats. Anyway, I mentioned to him that he should chat to some Christian apologists now seeing that he has only spoken to muslim apologists so far, and he agreed. I said to him that if Sentinal Apologetics hosts a live with Godlogic & maybe Black Doctor, then would he be down for a discussion and he said yes. He said he would do it in 2 weeks or so. Would you be able to set that up? He was told a lot of lies about islam & Christianity by Hamza, ijaz, muslim lantern, muslim cowboy & others so I told Grayson he needs to also speak to Christian apologists & he agreed. Would you be able to set something up? He needs to learn the truth about islam & Christianity. He comes from a Christian family but because of the discussions with muslim lantern etc, he no longer believes that Jesus is God. He also believes Jesus was a muslim but he hasn't converted to islam yet.
@19nineteenthirteen19
5 ай бұрын
Let's Goooooooooo
@christieoglesby7123
5 ай бұрын
The last few minutes after the debate was over and it was just the host… this was terribly embarrassing. Please show maturity and logic in your debates. Personal insults do not suit anyone. Debate the points, search for common truth, discuss where there is opposition, but this disintegrated when the personal attacks began.
@christieoglesby7123
5 ай бұрын
Why is he resorting to personal attacks (saw, manhood, I have big friends too, that’s cool bro, you you you, …) it is cringeworthy now to try a listen to the steel strap mentality of “say this one thing only [I neeeeeed you to say his death was inconclusive] or I will plague you and stop the debate. And his is embarrassing. The first two debating was rational, point for point, intense but respectful. Remove the third debater and let’s get back to a thought-provoking discussion on these very difficult topics.
@MarcelAlHind-d4g
15 сағат бұрын
I once silenced him on every believer is a scholar according to Islam. Qur'an 58:11 O you who believe, when it is said to you, “Make room (for others) in the sittings”, then make room,and Allah will make room for you. And when it is said, “Rise up”, then rise up, and Allah will raise those, in ranks, who have believed and are given knowledge. Allah is well-aware of what you do. And cussing is a part of Sunnah. Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 963 Sahih 'Utayy ibn Damura said, "I saw with Ubay a man who was attributing himself (in lineage) with an attribution of Jahiliyyah, so Ubay told him to bite his father's male organ and did not speak figuratively (i.e. was explicit). So his companions looked at him. He said, 'It appears that you disapprove of it.' Then he said, 'I will never show apprehension to anyone with regards to this. Verily, I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, "Whomever attributes himself (in lineage) with an attribution of Jahiliyyah, then tell him to bite his father's male organ and do not speak figuratively (i.e. be explicit)." ' "
@cassidycarpede8689
5 ай бұрын
This was a good discussion and a good topic 👍
@AtlasofReality
5 ай бұрын
Wait what’s this server? I want to join and discuss with people.
@JohnGeometresMaximos
28 күн бұрын
Hello Robert, which Discord server was this?
@celestialknight2339
5 ай бұрын
Yes, the Qur’an does mention the small size of the Israelites at the time of Moses. *_Pharaoh sent heralds to the cities._* *_”These are but a small gang,_* *_and they are enraging us!_* *_But we are a vigilant multitude.”_* ~ _The Qur’an, Sūrah __26:53__-56_ This is why Muslims face no historical problem with the Exodus, unlike the Judeo-Christian version of events which historians easily dismiss due to the claim of millions of Israelites, which is historically untenable. I know there are loopholes & apologetics to this, but the Qur’an avoids the whole problem altogether, straight from the text itself.
@SentinelApologetics
5 ай бұрын
Not according to your tafsir: Al-Jalalayn: _Lo! these are but a small gang. It is said that they numbered 670,000, while Pharaoh’s vanguard alone numbered 700,000 and so he deemed their number insignificant in comparison to his huge army._ Maududi: _It should be borne in mind that the Israelites were not settled in one place in Egypt but were scattered in cities and habitations all over the country and lived in large numbers especially in the land between Memphis and Rameses called Goshen. It appears that when Prophet Moses was commanded to leave Egypt, he must have sent instructions to the Israelite habitations telling the people to make necessary preparations' for migration and he must have also fixed a night for them to leave their homes for the exodus. All this shows that Pharaoh in fact was terror-stricken, but was trying to hide his fear under cover of fearlessness. On the one hand, he was mobilizing forces to face the situation; on the other, he wanted to show that he was undaunted and undeterred, for a despotic ruler like Pharaoh could have no danger from a suppressed and slave community which had been living in disgrace for centuries. _*_That is why his heralds made the people believe that the Israelites were just a handful of people, who could do them no harm,_*_ but had to be punished for the provocation they had caused._
@celestialknight2339
5 ай бұрын
@@SentinelApologetics While I respect the views of scholars, it’s unfair of you to say _”your tafsir”_ - when these just the opinions of fellow believers like myself, mere men who I am not bound to follow at all. They were born at a particular time and place, and attempted to exegete the Qur’an as much as we do today; and they frequently disagreed with each other as well (during our long 1,500 year scholastic tradition). Ultimately, the text itself is what binds us all as the supreme authority, and we do not have a concept of “Church fathers” or “saints” as Christianity does; and which the Qur’an itself explicitly warns against (see Qur’an 9:31 & 2:170). _Al-Jalalayn_ (which is actually the work of two scholars) is likely drawing from Biblical material here, and they seem to try and reconcile the two-which is unnecessary. The Qur’an could easily be providing a subtle counter-narrative to the Biblical tradition, as it often does in various places (such as the post-creation weariness of God hinted at in Exodus 31:17, and reversed in Qur’an 50:38). It also doesn’t make much sense, since the Arabic word _’shirdhimah’_ (gang, band) in Sūrah 26:64- as noted by other scholars-linguistically encompasses an already small-numbered group of people, which the adjective _’qalīllūn’_ (few) further qualifies to emphasize their truly small and insignificant number. The difference between 670,000 and 700,000 could be hardly said to fit this criteria. It seems more likely to me that we should take the Qur’an at face value, and conclude that Pharaoh & his people actually understood the Israelites to be a small measly group of slaves, which makes far more historical sense. Even some Biblicists have come to this same conclusion on that basis of passages in the Torah such as Deut 7:22. So the question is-are we going to let the the text of the Qur’an speak for itself? Or are we going to allow its plain meaning to be shrouded by the potentially-fallible opinions of some isolated scholars from the past? As for me, I will choose the former. Peace.
@supershmobo
5 ай бұрын
@@SentinelApologetics Tafsir is just interpretation, no Muslim is committed to everything in them. And the people writing the tafsir don't claim that either. In this case there is no number given and no linguistic evidence to indicate that number. Exegetes giving numbers could be speculating or could be taking from Judeo Christian sources.
@celestialknight2339
4 ай бұрын
@@aleksakovacevic3350 There are admittedly some things in the Qur’an with more room for interpretation than others (which only adds to its beauty & profoundness). However, this issue is quite clear. There were simply not millions of Israelites according to the Qur’an; and the language & context is quite clear on this. Moreover, Christians themselves should be happy to adopt this view if they wish to escape the insurmountable problems that face the idea of a massive Exodus. The Qur’an rescues them from these quandaries, as it often does with many other issues.
@JohnGeometresMaximos
2 ай бұрын
@@celestialknight2339 Whenever the Tafsir/Hadith buries your argument(s) you state you are not obliged to follow them, since the people who wrote them are not infallible. Whenever you feel the Tafsir/Hadith validates your argument(s) you say your Tafsir scholars are beyond reproach and the Isnad system is rock solid.
@undevelopmentteam
5 ай бұрын
I don't think that it's a very honest position to say, in regards to the Mary thing, that you must have hindsight of it otherwise being wrong in order to know that it's actually talking about something else. You need to show that this is not a lone example of describing relation to bloodline. If someone is someone's brother, is that language otherwise used to say ancestor? Additionally, you would create an issue of inconsistencies because they are said to be the brother of two people and one of them Is their brother and they Do have a sister. That sister is not the mother of Jesus.
@BryanTheodus
5 ай бұрын
cant believe he changed the subject from the quran to the gospels, trying to disprove the gospels as if they arent accurate, and acting like the quran is accurate
@JohnGeometresMaximos
28 күн бұрын
What a 💩show. The guy arguing with you about the Pharaoh's cause of death was the worst. 😬
@BryanTheodus
5 ай бұрын
this muslim in the second half of the video was super entitled and arrogant, just saying stuff and trying to contest you by saying "oh thats not true"
@BryanTheodus
5 ай бұрын
and he keeps interupting as if he knows everything
@wabolicyri2143
5 ай бұрын
Yaqub ibn ishaq aka eminem definitely got shubuhat
@jmlx.m5611
Ай бұрын
@@wabolicyri2143 😭😭he cooked yall
@jmlx.m5611
Ай бұрын
He cooked yall
@wabolicyri2143
Ай бұрын
@@jmlx.m5611 he got anhilated he had no rebuttals
@Y_al_muahid
5 ай бұрын
If you have a problem with the pharraoh drowning and you saying that that is wrong then you would have a problem with your own scripture why ? Because of what psalm 136:15 states so you also reject that ?
@Andrew-cf4us
5 ай бұрын
it does not say the Pharaoh drowned in that psalm.
@HJ-tf5uo
5 ай бұрын
Wallah ur such a coward, u even left the server lol, come back
@cassidycarpede8689
5 ай бұрын
Personal attacks always personal attacks from your type .The guy discussed 3+ hours and you say his a coward under his own video personally attacking him too😂 wow
@Furinkazan541
5 ай бұрын
I bet Rob got kicked because you whiny babies are upset that the Quran gets shown for the idiotic trash it is again and again
@HJ-tf5uo
5 ай бұрын
@@cassidycarpede8689then y did he leave then decide to post the video?
@SentinelApologetics
5 ай бұрын
I didn't leave. I'm still in the server.
@HJ-tf5uo
5 ай бұрын
@@SentinelApologetics then come back and example what u meant by zesty Quranic topics
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