If the airframe is in good order then it’s going to be worth the expense I expect because if you purchase another aircraft you wont have the same info about it’s wear & tear that you have about OR. Also, with the engine restored or replaced the aircraft will feel like a new one bringing performance & reliability back to near a brand new plane. Hope you find the dosh Jon.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael.
@TimKirkmt
5 жыл бұрын
well it's certainly in good hands with Shipping & Airlines. Tony and the team are excellent mechanics. Hope it all goes well
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
You're right there Tim.
@christopherwilson6527
5 жыл бұрын
Obviously aircraft engines have a different inspection process but if this were a car engine I would have recut the valve seats if possible, fitted new valves (the cause of low compression), camshaft and tappets for the bad wear on lobe then job done. I don’t understand why a worn cam would condemn a whole engine. That piston looked a bit damaged too on the side of the crown. Better to be safe than sorry though. I do hope you can sort it!
@jollyrog2
5 жыл бұрын
If only it were that simple. Some of the tasks you describe can be done locally, but the more complex work with aero engines has to be done in accordance with manufacturer’s Service Bulletins, which require original parts and specialised tooling. All work must be certified to aviation standards and a single omission of correct tool or part will put a stop to that. For that reason, only some engineering companies are able to issue the certification. Much of the certification regime is nothing more than a money spinner snd completely unnecessary (many aircraft in the UK are registered as “permit to fly”, outside of the certification system and they don’t fall out of the sky) but Oscar Romeo isn’t and we’re compelled to abide by those rules. Saying that... a single engine, sometimes over inhospitable terrain and at night... I need confidence in the engine.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you answered Rog.
@mbmedia916
5 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine Jon saying anything else but "Golf-Oscar-Romeo" don't get rid of her!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
I'm in favour of keeping the old bird going!
@pilot10p
5 жыл бұрын
MB Media b
@jonathannewman673
5 жыл бұрын
HI Jon. Bad luck, though at 2.2k hours, probably not a total surprise. I'm sure you've already considered that if you scrap OR and purchase another a/c, the cash call to the syndicate is likely to be much more and you will be buying something that may have expensive unknown defects that could cost you more in the future (cash and stress). There's something in the devil you know. Also, always worth thinking about how much it costs to get an equivalent a/c rather than about how much the overhaul is compared to the value of the existing one - in my opinion anyway. Also, I imagine you are reflecting on your international trip over mountains and sea in marginal conditions with an engine that was near end of life. A full overhaul might give you a greater feeling of confidence (once it gets past the 50-100hr mark anyway). Worth factoring in? Hope you get it all sorted and are back up in the air soon.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jonathan.
@speedbird01
5 жыл бұрын
Condemned total bummer, but good that the engineers are on the ball, hope it all works out John.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Adrian.
@john3Lee
5 жыл бұрын
I don't see why this engine has been condemned.... Its not as if the engine block or cylinder heads are showing signs of cracks.... (Which is what happened to my friends aircraft).. If I was within the groups of owners, I would want to cost out all the parts needed, then replacing and re-building... Good luck !!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks John.
@CharleyAlphaAviation
5 жыл бұрын
We went through something similar with our old plane a Seneca. Really hard part for us was the Navajo was almost ready for delivery. In our case we had to get her running again.
@anthonybryantmedia
5 жыл бұрын
Dissapointing news but much better to find the issue in the safety of a warm hangar than in the air. Sure that it would be worth the overhaul cost compared to scrapping and having to look for a new aircraft and not knowing the history as wqell as you do with GOR.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Anthony. Hoping to bring an update soon.
@mikeyswingsacrossthesky2244
5 жыл бұрын
OUCH!!!!!! What was James reaction? Will he ever fly again? As others have said at least this was never an inflight problem. If the engine was at TBO then a major cost was anticipated and if you have had more work and expence carried out after the engine problem then does this suggest OR will once again feel the wind below her wing.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
James...I think he'd rather I was spending the money on him! I had budgeted for this eventuality, as it was anticipated sometime. I hope to have news soon.
@TheMachSR7
5 жыл бұрын
Presume you have a 2400TBO on the 0-320 in the UK same as here in NZ. At 2400 we are then able to fly on condition if not on commercial ops and signed out by our LAME, but by the time we get to 2200 we always try to have four new cylinders ready and waiting just in case the motor starts making metal.. We also ensure we have sufficient funds for most of the overhaul. To do anything less would leave us in the same position you now find yourselves. Pilots always want to fly for the least cost possible, but in reality if a syndicate does that they are only inviting financial problems. Sounds like an overhaul in the UK is cheaper than here - for an 0-320 we are now looking at nearer NZ$50k (GBP25k) for an overhaul plus the camshaft cost (another $10k plus). One positive is that if you spend the money on the aircraft it generally increases in value by the same amount. Anyway good luck with the deliberations. Cheers Grant
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. TBO falls at 2000 hours here. Like you we can then fly on condition. A few big costs have hit the group in recent years, and I think the engine fund has been used to soften the blow. That's been the decision of the group, who will have known the consequences. £20-25K is about right. Will have an update on the process this weekend. Jon
@DavidOwen1978
5 жыл бұрын
An eye opener for many I think. A good video John, informative with decent details illustrating the scale of costs pilots and aircraft owners have to potentially account for.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks David.
@beachside180
5 жыл бұрын
Always a surprise when these things happen. Interesting that you are looking at the overhaul route as opposed to the factory re-manufatured option. I my experience the factory reman comes out cheaper and much faster to be back in the air. Though I suppose UK winter is not the most fun time to fly? The biggest advantage of a factory reman is there is nothing hiding like a out of spec or cracked crankshaft or soft crankcase to surprise you during the build.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
We'll discuss this briefly in my next video.
@MrSixstring2k
5 жыл бұрын
That sucks, hope you guys can get the plane back in the air if it’s financially possible.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Should have an update soon.
@jerseyscampi
5 жыл бұрын
The cam shaft needed replacing also two piston shells plus a complete top end overhaul. 13k the mags were overhauled as well for an extra 500. They also cleaned the outside and painted it. I can email you the quote of you are interested to see it. You can contact me on messenger
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Ah I see. A top end overhaul... Wondered why it was so cheap! We need the full overhaul, and have quotes in the region of £20k. Mags have just been replaced so at least we don't have to worry about them.
@jerseyscampi
5 жыл бұрын
Ouch! I hope you can get it sorted.
@Ozgrade3
5 жыл бұрын
2200 hrs is a mandatory overhaul in CASA land (Australia). Make sure you get new cylinders, otherwise you WILL get cracks near the exhaust valves, possibly causing an engine failure. Cylinders are only ever given 2 lives (4,000 hrs) and that's if they are flying 8 hrs a day. Think of it this way, as expensive as an overhaul seems, it pales into insignificance the moment you have an engine failure at 100 feet after takeoff and you have a sea of houses in front of you. I'm a 5000 hr Grade 1 instructor from Australia.
@gap9992
5 жыл бұрын
If the airframe is as good as the paint then it must be worth fitting a zero timed (or factory new) engine as the value of the aircraft will increase by almost what the engine costs. This is not the case if you try to fix your engine - assuming a different engineering firm would actually do this? I base this comment on advertised prices for PA28s rather than any engineering knowledge. Maybe also take a quick look at a diesel conversion as PA28s with this done seem to achieve much higher used prices. Would cost a LOT more to do though!
@garydell2023
5 жыл бұрын
The joys of airplane ownership Jon. I've dreaded that report during the annual but so far so good. If another engine affordable and available get it because getting another plane could be a problem too. Hope you and the group can come up with a solution.
@pfawley
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, As others have mentioned the plane is far too good to scrap, the money invested in the overhaul will leave you with plane worth around 50k not to mention the hopefully trouble free flying ahead of you once it's done.
@arburo1
5 жыл бұрын
New valves, valve springs, re-bore, new pistons, new camshaft and a few other bits. Simple. Shouldn't cost more than a few grand.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
£20,000+ for the overhaul.
@arburo1
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheFlyingReporter Shop around!
@evanscm3
5 жыл бұрын
Poor old OR! Worn cam lobes were I think a factor in a PA28 which failed to climb away from Sandown a few years ago and it ended (very) badly for 3 pob, so at least it was diagnosed this way. Good luck... how many are in your group BTW?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
We are a group of 6 Chris. Thanks.
@davidhorobin1060
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. A year ago G-MOTI had a similar situation. I recall that the engine overhaul was about £20k but now she's as good as new and should be fine for another 10 years or so. Dig deep and best of luck.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks David. Yes, that's pretty much what we're looking at!
@MALPAS29
5 жыл бұрын
Jon, I feel your pain, having been in the same situation years ago in a similar group. I have gone over to flying LAA aircraft which permit maintenance by the owner and tend to supply more, `flying per buck.` Good luck and hope you come to a successful solution to your situation.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stuart, I will have an update soon.
@esuohdica
5 жыл бұрын
Couple of questions from me, whats the approx cost of the overhaul you are having done? and what is the CC of that engine? those piston look massive.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Now about £26k. I don't know what the cubic capacity is. It's 160BHP engine.
@esuohdica
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I guess that’s about what I expected for what is basically a new engine, or at least with new clearances etc. A bit of googling seems to suggest it’s around 6000cc. Interesting vid cheers.
@johncarr123
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheFlyingReporter The cost of the overhaul is outrageous for these engines. Parts and labor for the engine come to about $7500.00, not $26,000.00 a shame what a major ripoff overhauling Lycoming engines
@marsgal42
5 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain. :-( I hope you can find a way to get GOR back in the air. I see too many planes quietly rotting away at local airports because they need major maintenance and the owners can't afford to do what's needed. After a couple of years out on the apron exposed to the elements the plane is junk anyway. My plane's engine is 1200 hours SMOH (OK) but 27 years (on condition). Good power, good compression, stable oil consumption, but some day I'll face the decisions you face now. We all do.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Laura. Hoping for an update soon.
@Mark-rv5dd
5 жыл бұрын
What we did in the same situation, we found an Astro engine which fitted very nicely for the PA-28 body. It is JET fuel, 5 lt/hr consumption and is a less service exacting thing.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
interesting solution.
@neilmurgatroyd3197
5 жыл бұрын
How many hours on the engine Jon (2,000 TBO?)? How much in the engine fund? Great news that maintenance spotted it before it led to problems in flight!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
The engine was at 2200 I believe. We had about 10 in the fund. But in addition to the 20k for the engine, we have a big annual bill too.
@jerseyscampi
5 жыл бұрын
Had the same problem with my plane last year Jon cam lobes worn piston heads scored etc. Cost of overhaul with Labour £13000 with Norvic . Plus the annual charge. Runs like a dream now
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
That's a very good price. What's that for?
@BenedictRaikes
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, so sorry to hear about the bad luck, must be heart breaking. I actually fly a 152 out of the Shipping & Airlines hanger, they’re top guys and really know what they’re doing! If I see you about the hanger anytime I’ll come say hi, I hope you get back in the air soon though!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Benedict.
@stuartessex4535
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not a lover of text speak Jon, but OMG poor Oscar Romeo! ( Big sad face ) Sorry to hear she is poorly. I am not an expert but agree with Michael that if airframe all good then I think digging in your pockets for an engine rebuild or replacement could be the way forward. At least we know there are diligent engineers keeping everyone safe in the air. Best of luck Jon! Stu
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stuart.
@darrenhillman8396
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear your news, John, but that what Annuals are all about. Keeping you and your passengers safe. I’m sure your Group will want to keep OR in the air, somehow! Fingers crossed!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
We owe our engineers a debt of gratitude....oh, and the bill!
@dunelmite1
5 жыл бұрын
I feel for you being in this predicament now, Jon. I wish you and your group all the best in deciding which way forward you decide is best. Of course, very best of luck if the decision is made to go ahead to try to raise that extra capital!!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks - hoping for an update soon.
@bigglestheflyboy
5 жыл бұрын
Tell me about it !! Last year my friend and I had the same decision to make with our Piper Arrow III. Metallic particles had been found in the oil and that was the end of that. We chose to have the engine completely rebuilt to zero hours and after a LOT of money we are now flying on the "new" engine. It turns out that the casing is the only original part from our old engine that is left, but it's running beautifully and only uses a fraction of the oil that the old engine used. It's now a Zero hours engine, and the aircraft is worth quite a bit more financially, but the reality is, we will never get our money back if we decided to sell it. But it's a lovely plane to fly and one of the best touring aircraft that a PPL can fly. Best of luck with your new engine !!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. All going well so far. I don't know if you saw this video I made. kzitem.info/news/bejne/26eMyaaCe4x1mHo . There wasn't much usable from our engine, and the case had to be repaired too.
@richardmayle6306
5 жыл бұрын
Hi John, I have been through an engine overhaul on the same aircraft type and it is definitely worth it. As others have said, the performance will improve no end and the airframe looks pretty good to me from the films, so I would certainly go for it. And I'm sure you already know this, but the value of the aircraft will increase dramatically with a zero rated hours engine, as the cost of the work is effectively added back in. Good luck and hope to bump into you at Redhill. Regards Richard
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard.
@Brenner001
5 жыл бұрын
Horrible news...
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
It could have been worse!
@Medge2sc
5 жыл бұрын
Hi, we had to overhaul the engine on our pa28 after a group member had s prop strike whilst taxiing. The aircraft always had a slight misfire as you came to idle but it was alwsys but down as a ‘quirk’ of GL. We later found when the engine was overhauled that one of the pistons was mismatched. Once we got it back it was perfect, and the peace of mind of knowing it was 100% was priceless . We could of got a different aircraft rather than overhauling but in our case the overhaul was the best , and more reassuring answer Hope you get her back in the air soon, good luck
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt.
@davidswelt
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear. How many hours were on the engine? Do you charge yourself a per-hour fee for engine depreciation and maintenance? What makes the decision a bit easier is that airplane_price = airframe_value + engine_value, so you can get most of the money you pay for a new engine in equity. Selling the airframe might be the better choice if you want a different plane. Glad this was found before something broke in flight. Good luck!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
The engine had reached 2200 hours. The charges are supposed to cover all outgoings, and feed an engine fund. Sometimes some unexpected costs come along and the engine fund gets raided.
@mrchristerryTV
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon. Sad news but good engineering. I've learnt so much from your videos and in the event you want to do a fundraiser I'd very happily make a contribution. I hope you're not offended in anyway by this suggestion.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris.
@flyingphobiahelp
5 жыл бұрын
So sorry to hear that Jon. Where was the engine in TBO? I empathise as same thing happened to the piper Saratoga which I fly. Annual and the discovery of the engine issue. That was in July and the new engine will be installed next week! Think taking a wee longer as it is a turbo-charged power plant. REALLY hoping your team will go for a new engine so you're back in the air. Your passion for aviation is evident Biggles!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Douglas. We were 2200, so 200 over TBO.
@davep5829
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear this. I hope you all manage to come to a sensible agreement. Always a difficult head/heart battle with older aircraft.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave. Update soon.
@markbainbridge3240
5 жыл бұрын
Jon sorry to hear Oscar Romeo is poorly to say the least. Hope tonight's lottery comes good for you, and the next installment of the Flying Reporter will be from the flight deck of your sr22. Apologies for miss spelling your first name in my last post, so much for my nascent pilots' observation skills. All the best and here is to future flying adventures.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark.
@peanuts2105
5 жыл бұрын
I have to say speaking as a large airliner engineer; record keeping of maintenance and procedures is by far stricter and better organised than GA in my experience. At least with Oscar Romeo you know where you stand. It's piece of mind but it will cost around £20k for a zero timed engine within your group. Good luck Jon.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@stewartwilkinsonsnr
5 жыл бұрын
Not good news Jon, but knowing that safety is always your first priority I know you will be glad the Technicians found this problem. Hoping a solution can be found to find the money to cover the costs of getting the plane flying again. ✈️
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
We owe the engineers a debt of gratitude for sure.
@mikercflyer7383
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry of the bad news. Before you took in for the annual were there any signs in the performance that did not just right?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
We'd had some engine trouble prior, but diagnosed to the magnetos. They were replaced, and all was good. The engineers said that there would have been a slow deterioration in power, that would have been hardly noticeable over time.
@pauljohn8983
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, Sorry to hear you sounding so despondent. We just had a 'more than expected' annual on zero three delta. My advice would be that if your plane is corrosion free and in otherwise good shape, the engine overhaul or replacement will pay you dividends in the long run. You could buy another aircraft and buy yourself lots more trouble. Knowing Oscar Romeo as well as you do, there is much to be gained from standing by an old friend!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul.
@marvinsmith4322
5 жыл бұрын
Not good, difficult decision time for the group. Keep flying Jon, it’s great to watch your well prepared work.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
No intentions to stop there yet!
@gordonbruce2416
5 жыл бұрын
What a shocker. I suppose you have 3 choices; sells as is, overhaul the engine or try and find an even more expensive new engine. Or thinking out the box have there been any recent PA-28 crashes recently that have damaged the airframe but might be willing to sell their engine?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gordon, I think we'll be overhauling the engine...update soon.
@peterk2455
5 жыл бұрын
Would you consider buying an engine, with log books etc, swapped out from another aircraft? I'm not sure what your regs are in that regard.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
It's not really my field of experience Peter. I bow to those with better knowledge in the group.
@stevecolwill9761
5 жыл бұрын
It’s a shame Jon, but things do wear out. As you say, very reassuring that the annual inspection goes into such minute detail. Hope OR is back in the air soon! 🤞🏻
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve.
@CyrilDeretz
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear than Jon. I hope your group will take the right decision, which in my opinion is to pay for the overhaul. Of course I don’t know what money we are talking about but I am sure the investment is worth it. The plane will fly probably for another 10 years at least with a good overhaul
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cyril. Will update soon.
@briantinkler
5 жыл бұрын
Heart sinking! but doing a rebuild would give you the reassurance that the job is done and at least you know your plane, difficult decisions to make good luck and fingers crossed Jon.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian.
@PilotLyons
5 жыл бұрын
It is comforting to know the detail these annuals go to, and although it's a horrible bit of news, it's also good to know because it could have saved one of your group members life and indeed the whole aircraft. Let's flip it and think of the positive, I bet a loss of life crash would be more expensive or worth the overhaul price ( if that makes sense)
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly Richard. I'd rather find out now.
@maidbloke
5 жыл бұрын
Good video as usual. Bad news but much better to find these problems on the ground than in the air...
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Very true.
@ssardo
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon Even though I hardly even comment, I sure appreciate your videos and I’m really sorry to hear of the bad luck. When I owned a share in an N-reg 182, we had Savvy look after our maintenance. You may want to check them out (though you probably can’t hire them for a G-reg) or at least read Mike Busch’s books (his latest is specifically on Engines). There is lots of good info on airworthiness (compressions are more or less useless for instance) and on getting the most value out of your annual inspections (an estimate made before starting the work may have saved you completing the rest of the annual and then discovering the engine needs an overhaul). Sacha
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sacha.
@seanmcerlean
5 жыл бұрын
That's a pain Jon.Reading through some of the comments seems like most have handle on how important it is. Good luck & hope you manage to raise the money as i can see how much you love flying her.Keep us posted.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sean. Will update soon.
@Soupdragon1964
5 жыл бұрын
What rotten luck, but to be expected at some point in an airframe's life. It looks as if the camshaft has been running hot in the journals too. If the rest of the aeroplane is good then, painful as it may be, bite the bullet and rebuild.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Looks like that's the way we're going - update soon.
@lesking251
5 жыл бұрын
I was a member of a Redhill syndicate for about 20 years so I have 'been there, done that'. In our case, the engine refurbishment of our Fuji 200 was expected in about 700 hours but suddenly became immediate following a prop 'ding'. It's astonishing how much it costs to replace/refurbish an aircraft engine compared with a similar-powered unit in a car but those economics apply to anything aircraft-related. In our case, there were other costs 'on the horizon' including a respray, some undercarriage A/D issues and the upcoming CofA, all of which made the total cost of getting back-into-the-air exceed the paper value of the aircraft. So we sold the aircraft to our regular engineer who put it through a total refurbishment. We got a got a dozen years of good service out of that particular aircraft but the sudden end still came as a shock. Here's hoping that your aircraft is back in the air soon.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Les. I had personally budgeted for the eventuality, knowing the state of the engine fund. Will update with news soon.
@mickeydefrance
5 жыл бұрын
what a shame, but at the same time it shows the safety aspect of flying, its not like an MOT on a car, you can really fly with confidence after an annual inspection. I hope you find your funds soon as I look forward to your next episode .
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mick. We certainly owe those engineers our gratitude.
@Jams636
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, real shame to hear this. Do you mind me asking how much an engine overhaul costs?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
It's going to cost us about £20,000 at least.
@flybe146
5 жыл бұрын
I think you'll find a way to get the lady back flying again Jon, you love her too much and so do I mate.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks David. Should have news soon.
@davidwilkinson988
6 жыл бұрын
Was the engine fund not good enough on the per hour flight cost? - Do you mind telling us how much the rate is that you charge yourselves?
@TheFlyingReporter
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think the fund had been ring-fence, and had been used for upgrades/defects etc.
@JillesvanGurp
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear this. I hope you manage to find a solution.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Hope to have an update soon.
@dougbrwn
5 жыл бұрын
It seems a pity to scrap a plane if there is a possibility of keeping it running.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
I think we'll work it out.
@alexhouse1684
5 жыл бұрын
A shame but... better safe than sorry.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Very true.
@willp3722
5 жыл бұрын
That is really bad news. Also a tough decision for the group. At least nothing went wrong whilst flying. Just out of curiosity did you go to Falcon or another company at EGKB or another company? It’s interesting you went back to Biggin. Hope to see a great new video coming soon. Hope you can fix the problems and keep making these great videos.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Shipping and Airlines is our maintenance organisation, so that's where the aircraft goes for all its maintenance at the moment. Hope to have news on the engine soon.
@willp3722
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply. I do hope it all goes well for you guys.
@erythuria
5 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that Jon. I hope you manage to sort it out!
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott.
@bennyhill5938
5 жыл бұрын
what is the engine brand and type?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
LYCOMING O-320-D3G
@davejones542
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about the engine. I presume just the camshaft cant be replaced? In any event dont scrap the plane. Everything else is ok ? You have had the flight instruments done, magnetos etc, etc. If you buy another one second hand plane you have to have a full survey etc.
@flightsimcentre9244
5 жыл бұрын
The camshaft can't just be replaced. The engine is 200 hours past it's recommended life so it's time for a full overhaul. Might just be me but I can see a lot of metal filings in there to. Jon was nothing ever spotted on the oil changes?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
On that angle, it does look like filings. nothing in the filter, no.
@benderaviation
5 жыл бұрын
Can you get a loan for a new engine?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
I would have thought so.
@cakescrw
5 жыл бұрын
Nightmare Jon 😔😔😔
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
A little, yes!
@ashleyatze9343
5 жыл бұрын
Long time subscriber, first time comment. It always interest me how many hours the engine had done and if it was close the the Time Before Overhaul specified for that engine?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ashley. Yes, 2200 hours roughly on OR's engine. It had a top end overhaul in that time, but definitely at the end of it's useful life, so not a major surprise.
@EricIrl
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheFlyingReporter I presume the number of hours on the engine would have been a factor in the asking price when the aircraft was first purchased by the group.
@cjrp0
5 жыл бұрын
Bit off-topic, but is that a Dragon Rapide I spy in the background?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
www.shippingandairlines.co.uk/historic-aircraft/dragonfly/ and www.shippingandairlines.co.uk/historic-aircraft/hornet-moth/
@EricIrl
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheFlyingReporter And quite a unique aeroplane. There are not that many of them. De Havilland built a whole series of "Dragon" aircraft such as the DH84 Dragon, the DH86 Dragon Express, the DH89 Dragon Rapide and the DH90 Dragonfly.
@07pollee2ndtime
5 жыл бұрын
oooh I am sooo sorry for you.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@seanmcerlean
5 жыл бұрын
P.s.Jon just a question what would be the cost of a new powerplant versus overhaul?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Out of my area of expertise, but I'd imagine more expensive.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
Overhaul in the region of £20k
@Wayfarer-Sailing
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheFlyingReporter ouch! - £20k is indeed a nasty surprise...
@Sterlingjob
5 жыл бұрын
How many hours was the engine on???
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
2200.
@Sterlingjob
5 жыл бұрын
The Flying Reporter Is that not end of engine life, ie mandatory overhaul?
@Mark-rv5dd
5 жыл бұрын
Jon, can you give me the S/N of the engine and the exact number of hours?
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
I don't know Mark. 2200.
@Mark-rv5dd
5 жыл бұрын
The Flying Reporter , it should be in the papers you always fly with :) It’s just a serial number.
@TheFlyingReporter
5 жыл бұрын
I don't sleep with the aeroplane! Seriously, the aeroplane is at the hangar, an hour's drive away.
@flightsimcentre9244
5 жыл бұрын
Would you like his bank account number to?
@Mark-rv5dd
5 жыл бұрын
Sure, Big Brain. To do what?
@charliewaters3100
5 жыл бұрын
You should Crowdfund... to keep the channel alive!
@mikesax
5 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Cherokee 140??? What year? How many hours on the engine? What model? New cams should not be the end of the world. It could be worse. Good luck.
@@TheFlyingReporter Please keep us updated on the engine repair/overhaul. What does your mechanic say? Was there a way to prevent this? Different kind of oil?
@mikesax
5 жыл бұрын
Did it have flat tappet or roller???
@jasonolsen99
6 жыл бұрын
Not great at all! How many pilots routinely fly OR? Are there any financial contingencies for something like this? Hope to see you flying again, Jon. A shame something like this has come about though.
@TheFlyingReporter
6 жыл бұрын
There are six owners. We have some money in the bank, but owners are beigg asked for significant cash for the overhaul.
@rogermaynard7264
5 жыл бұрын
Is expanding the group an option? Joining a group with a newly overhauled engine is an attractive proposition - although the new balance of members may make the group un-workable - it's a difficult one. But wish you all the best, Jon and look forward to you getting back in the air.
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