most guys would have hid that mistake- you made a video to help us avoid that same mistake... thank you.
@fishandgameman
Жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@waltercheeks5309
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great tech tip. I just finished putting an S&S Big Bore kit on my Road King and I almost made the same mistake you did. This video will help a lot of people.
@fishandgameman
3 жыл бұрын
Nice upgrade for the RK. Glad the video helped out. ✌️
@outlaw6849
3 жыл бұрын
This is what mechanics all about, sharing these kind of videos so to help others from doing the same. Thanks for sharing!
@fishandgameman
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I’ve been helped immensely by fellas taking time to freely give their knowledge. Glad it helped.
@hopskipandjump
9 ай бұрын
Thanks! I did it and fixed it because of this video. Lesson learned. Thanks again!
@fishandgameman
9 ай бұрын
Excellent! I’m glad you found it useful.
@nothanks1900
5 жыл бұрын
thanks a billion for this man. i had exact same problem except i was not the one who left the umbrella and filter upside down, who ever was in the motor last before i bought it was, and they damn near drove me crazy. thanks again man.
@emeraldcitycarpenter
5 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I found this video. Thank you for sharing.
@fishandgameman
3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad it resolved your problem.
@tabathasoto3083
3 жыл бұрын
DUDE! my dad had a issue while changing his 2002 fatboy rocker box from a stock to a pan head rocker box. he also decided to change the breather at the same time. So before he completed torqueing everything down and putting the tank back on he wanted to make sure that he installed the breather kit correctly. after watching your video he took the breathers off and low and behold they were both installed the same way yours were! (backwards cap) Although it would have been COOL to see the dip stick fly in the air......i am glad he asked me to find an installation video for the breather! My dad wants to thank you and others who make FREE videos to help one another as HARLEY brothers do! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
@fishandgameman
3 жыл бұрын
He’s fortunate to have a daughter willing to hang out with him and help. You sound like you know what you are talking about. 👍
@tomharvey704
3 жыл бұрын
I just did some powder coating had these off...when I first saw the way you had it assembled I thought I screwed up! Good vid glad you got it squared away
@fishandgameman
3 жыл бұрын
I’m happy you found the information worthwhile. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@NativeSD53
5 ай бұрын
That is Exactly what I did..... And my dipstick was blowing out of the oil tank........ Bless you for making this video Brother.... Bless you
@fishandgameman
5 ай бұрын
Glad it helped! ✌️
@NativeSD53
5 ай бұрын
@@fishandgameman By any chance, did that breather screw up effect the oil pump / circulation. Obviously if caused a lot of back pressure into the oil tank..... I'm thinking that could effect how well the return oil makes it back to the tank. I can't correct my breather issue until tomorrow. Just curious if the oil circulation was effect as well by the breather mess-up?
@mortenhartmann790
Жыл бұрын
What can I say... did the same as you, cause i was in a hurry.. Thank you so much for this video, fixed my problem!
@patrickflanagan8008
Жыл бұрын
Cheers matey from across the pond.
@elton71737678
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. My installation kit has the same parts, as compared to the exploded view of this assembly in the service manual. I would have made the same mistake. Of course, knowing Harley there was nothing in the instructions explains the install. I guess that’s why there is a double sided gasket in the kit. Thanks again for the info.
@fishandgameman
3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome Daniel. A simple set of directions would solve the problem. Glad the video helped!
@jimr898
3 жыл бұрын
I had no resourse how to put on.followed 1 vid but that was wrong.ill be yanking top off recheck because I was blowing oil badglad only went 4 mile but still.and now got an oil mess every where.tire to clean to w good stuff smh but glad it not got on tire road surface.side wall only and just a few spots.prob when I come to red light by the house.
@francotuggs6759
2 жыл бұрын
Arrh Good Man.. I got stuck on this, (huh?😆) was also in a rush and didn't pay attention when disassembling. ✌❤ from New Zealand.
@louismerced
5 жыл бұрын
I really used the information and that was the problem Thank You for sharing it
@nicholasgoncalves3261
Жыл бұрын
Great info,I’m with you very easy mistake to make,my mates working on a 103” now that’s pumping oil and pressure out,I’ll let him no
@joelchambers3087
8 ай бұрын
you video is exactly how it happened to me, except for the dipstick blow out, I built them the exact same way, rode it for about 400 miles and found that I was using ALOT of oil. every bit down to the "end of the day, finish it up" was me. my guess is this is more common an instance than people admit.
@patricksharkey4669
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing,I just did some cam chain tensioner work on my 01 heritage & went to the newer vents like you installed.My oil cap popped as well,I will be looking at this tomorrow its got to be the problem.I will give an update.Thanks again.
@fishandgameman
5 жыл бұрын
Patrick Sharkey WARNING. Because you had it running and circulated oil up top, make sure you get all of the oil out of the blind hole in the head before you torque those breather bolts back down. Use air or Q-Tips or else the hydraulic pressure will blow out the casting. You are welcome. If it didn’t do it before and it does now; that is it. It’s real easy to install them wrong.
@patricksharkey4669
5 жыл бұрын
@@fishandgameman Thanks for the extra tip,will do.
@patricksharkey4669
5 жыл бұрын
you were right that fixed it,but now i have a fuel pump issue no power to pump it seems.if its not one thing its another lol
@fishandgameman
5 жыл бұрын
Patrick Sharkey sounds easy compared to figuring out launching dipstick. Less work too. If it has a security system, make sure you didn’t trip it somehow. I could see a safety feature of cutting off power to the fuel pump in a crash. Just throwing that out there. I’m a shade tree at best.
@patricksharkey4669
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jack no it doesnt have a security system but that safety feature sounds interesting.I know a lowrider I had a few years ago had a feature that if the bike was tipped over or dropped while running it would turn off.It woud reset when you switched off & turn on again.Tomorrow is another day.Ill take another look.Have a good one.Yes you are a shade tree at best!
@gregjarrett9171
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much you saved me a lot of time 🤘
@fishandgameman
2 жыл бұрын
Happy you found the information useful. ✌️
@roadrunner4677
Жыл бұрын
Thank you brother. I believe I'm following in your footsteps 😂 I hate to think I did that but I think I did . I'll find out in a few days. Thanks again 👍👍👍
@fishandgameman
Жыл бұрын
Make sure to blow out or mop out the blind holes for the two breather bolts. Any oil in the holes will create hydraulic pressure when torqued and blow out the underside of the head. There will be more oil up there this time because of the higher crankcase pressure and it gets in the blind holes. It only takes a couple drops in the holes to create enough hydraulic force, under bolt compression, to crack the casting. Good luck.
@jamesmichael5155
5 ай бұрын
thanks you just made my day i was just geting this weekend to do my thank a lote i would of did it to
@anthonycrognale3967
4 ай бұрын
Thanks great video 🍻
@bobberguy1
2 жыл бұрын
Good info. Thanks for sharing.
@fishandgameman
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@dannymanny6917
Жыл бұрын
I knew what happened as soon as you began! Things happen when in a hurry.
@steelbender58
3 жыл бұрын
Same one i have in my twin cam 88. Make damn sure you qtip oil out of bolt holes before bolting these filter in. If you have oil in the bolt holes, they will blow the bottom out in your head. I know,i did it.
@fishandgameman
3 жыл бұрын
It’s a relatively easy fix Scoter. There really isn’t any pressure in that blind hole. If you hade the head off, turn it upside down, mix up an epoxy resin recommended for aluminum. Use a toothpick or something similar and carefully apply it to the blown out area of the casting. After it’s set, scuff the surface and apply a little high temp flat black paint. You will forget about it and where it’s positioned, anyone else would need a flashlight and be looking for it to find it. 👍
@fishandgameman
2 жыл бұрын
How did you fix the head?
@66thru68veteran
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@fishandgameman
2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped! ✌️
@harmanchannel7948
Жыл бұрын
Luckily your cylinder not broken due to built up pressure, anyway great video👌
@russpeaknuckel9525
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@user-is8ps5fw3y
6 ай бұрын
Tank you amino good job
@fishandgameman
6 ай бұрын
Glad you found it helpful.
@ronaldcollins8977
9 ай бұрын
Does this go for the 883 model also. It's a 1993 883 model. I have to much pressure iny oil bag. 5 minets of running and it plows of the dipstick out the bag . The bick was down for 2 years do to a crash
@fishandgameman
9 ай бұрын
I believe the crankcase breather system is similar, but I’m not completely sure. If it was laying on its side where oil pooled in the rocker boxes, it could certainly have clogged the vent breather sponge or the passages. Insects could have made home if the air cleaner was off the whole time and parked in an insect laden place. Mud Dobbers, etc. If it’s blowing the dip stick, no doubt you have crankcase over pressure. Make sure the exhaust is clear and your nor getting excessive ring blow by. It usually won’t run or run really bad if the exhaust is that obstructed. I’d pull the rocker boxes off and check the head breathers after inspecting the exhaust headers and muffler.
@kdubonline
Жыл бұрын
Good tech tip. I just finished mine and now I’m second guessing myself. Did the dipstick blow shortly after starting it or did it run for a bit then blow?
@fishandgameman
Жыл бұрын
At idle it stays in or low RPM getting to the first main road. The first time you give it a good twist of the throttle, pop, you are off looking for it. 😂
@robertfahnestock5980
Жыл бұрын
I did mine wrong. My rubber valve is sitting in the sponge underneath not inside were its supposed to be. It has a noise like a ticking. I knew something wasn't right .I have to take it apart again but now I know why thanks
@fishandgameman
Жыл бұрын
It’s counter intuitive until you grasp how the crankcase ventilation system works. Then it all makes sense. 👍
@m.b4524
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud
@fishandgameman
4 жыл бұрын
Mark Boudreaux Hope it solved you problem. Easy to get wrong, but once you understand the system, it all makes sense.
@jamesmichael5155
5 ай бұрын
what if your bike has been shoting the dip stick for years and now its throw oil in the intake and fuid with oil and smoke till it diesand oil all in filter has it been rong the hole time
@fishandgameman
5 ай бұрын
Sounds like it’s time to jack up the gas cap and drive a new bike under it. 😳 If it’s carbureted, I’d start there along with rolling in a new set of plugs and new wires. Make sure you only have fresh fuel and no contaminants in the fuel delivery system. I’d do a compression check on both cylinders before I did any of the above. Another thing to check would be ignition timing if it’s an older bike. Bad valve timing will cause it to backfire or blow out the air cleaner. If it’s puking oil by way of the crankcase ventilation breathers atop each head, then crankcase air is getting out and you don’t have the issue shown in the video. Good luck my friend. I hope you get running right. ✌️
@johneli1911
2 жыл бұрын
I have a question. As the hot air from the crankcase came out from two breather holes behind the air cleaner kit, is the air flow from both holes supposed to be almost the same, or the air from the front cylinder breather is stronger?
@fishandgameman
2 жыл бұрын
There should not be a significant difference. The system vents the positive air pressure inside the crankcase to the external ambient pressure of the atmosphere. It’s accomplished by passages milled into the head creating a path from the crankcase via the pushrod tubes, through the rocker lockers and head breathers where the positive pressure exits through the milled passages and directing it back into the air cleaner to be taken back into the combustion chamber with the next air/fuel charge on each intake stroke. There may be some other routes through the jug too, but it’s been awhile since I’ve been in a TC and gave my service manual to a fried such gettin the M8. The sponge is the last place where oil and air separates before the return path to combustion. Hope that helps. If you describe a problem I might be able to help more.
@johneli1911
2 жыл бұрын
@@fishandgameman Well my bike had a problem before, it's a Dyna 96ci 2012. When it was accelerating or on a cruise with open throttle, it's running normally. But whenever I closed the throttle, pulled the clutch and slow down at a stop or entering a roundabout, it started to loose power, and sometimes just downright shut down. Error code came from the 02 sensor says bike is rich at one, or both cylinder. Opened up almost everything on the block, changed most of the gaskets, still acting weird. It was like that for like 1 year or more. And then one day, just last week, my friend opened up the dipstick while my bike is running, pressure of air came out. Opened the air cleaner box, no air came out from the breather hole. He said it was not supposed to be like that so he went and opened some stuff, turns out the umbrella valve or something was sticking like it was glued. Took it off and cleaned, put it back together, and it seems to be running normally. I just picked it up a few bours ago, no codes whatsoever for now. My friend is a mechanic but he's not that good at explaining what happened and what he did to fix my bike so I just told you what he told me lol. Hope this helps. I just wanna find out and understand the breather system concept and what actually happened to my bike. To avoid further problems.
@fishandgameman
2 жыл бұрын
@@johneli1911 Well crankcase positive pressure has to be vented. It’s created by the downward stroke of the piston and volume increases in the crankcase lubricants during temperature rise. Some amount of gases during combustion can bypass the piston rings adding to positive pressure and it all needs a way to escape. Before emissions standards those gases were vented to the atmosphere. One way to help reduce carbon emission was to come up with a crankcase breather system that routed those gases back to the fresh air intake so they could be reintroduced to the combustion event to be burned off. Imagine the tsunami of oil and gases swishing around inside the crankcase due to the bottom of the piston rapidly moving up and down, sucking crankcase air with it on the compression and exhaust strokes and pushing on it during the intake and power strokes. Vacuum and pressure repeatedly at 3500 revolutions per minute on average. If the system were sealed gaskets would leak like a sieve and to some degree air lock the rotating assembly because the pistons couldn’t efficiently move. During the ventilation process the atomized oil needs to be separated as much as possible. Most of it falls out of the crankcase air by way of gravity as the gases make their way to the top of the engine. The finer oil particles get their last chance to separate as the air moves through the spongy thing under the umbrella valve and the separated oil at that stage can weep back down to the crankcase leaving mostly gases to exit through milled ports in the head. It’s those openings on your aftermarket air cleaner that port into the throttle body for reintroduction to the combustion air/fuel charge. If one or both umbrella valves were somehow adhered to the breather it wouldn’t let the internal gases escape. The more sophisticated can bus wasn’t added to that model until 2013 or so, providing less sensor data than later model years. I don’t know how significant that would have been to create the rich condition noted, but if the engine control module by default was expecting the additional combustion air from the breather but not getting it due to the seized umbrella valve, and not adjusting the injector pulse with to compensate, the O2 sensor would detect a rich condition. Buy simply replacing the absent air by freeing the umbrella valve would bring the air/fuel charge back to a stoichiometric value smoothing out the engine. I may have given more than you bargained for. ✌️
@johneli1911
2 жыл бұрын
@@fishandgameman oh yes now that's a solid explanation. So, you're saying the blocked breather was probably the main cause of my bike's problem? Is there any recommendations for me to prevent from this happening again?
@fishandgameman
2 жыл бұрын
@@johneli1911 There are aftermarket crankcase breathers. The M8 engine suffers from this positive crankcase pressure even more than its predecessor. There are vented dipsticks that allow internal pressure to escape and they have an omnidirectional valve preventing the atmosphere from entering. Another option I have seen on the M8 is to install a bulkhead port on the cover on top of the transmission, connecting tubing, omnidirectional valve and small filter to vent crankcase pressure to the atmosphere. Under the cover there are separate compartments divided and sealed off from each other by the cover gasket. You install the bulkhead above the one covering the crankcase passage. There is a commercial product available you can buy, but a little ingenuity and you can do it for pennies. There are KZitem videos already out there.
@emantsal1643
5 жыл бұрын
I Did the same exact thing. i replaced my cams and oil pump and the cam plate with S&S, i asked for breather gaskets, he said here is the whole kit so i said ok, i replaced them and took off for a test ride and i got hit in the butt by the oil tank cap it fired out like a bullet. I am a Harley diehard but man they do some strange stuff. Why not just install the breather plunger in the correct place they insert it in the wrong side why not just turn the plate around and insert it the correct side?
@binderdumper1
4 жыл бұрын
thanks
@randymccalla9995
2 жыл бұрын
In the beginning of the video the cover is on the bottom of the assembly instead of the top .....
@fishandgameman
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are correct. The beginning depicts how I erred in the assembly by intuitively believing the orange filter rested inside the dome rather than the domed space accepting the umbrella valve. Initially, it’s counter intuitive that the sponge filter rests directly on top of the rocker locker in-between the breather assembly. I hope I made it clear later in the video on the proper orientation of the breather assembly components. Thanks for watching.
@jimr898
3 жыл бұрын
This may be why I'm blowing oil out top rear rocker cover smh lol.so.mb I best check before trailering to shop.it will need go anyways but I rather make shur the breathers are correct.and let them deal with gaskets replacement.
@fishandgameman
3 жыл бұрын
If they are installed wrong higher than normal internal engine pressure will certainly occur. The crankcase pressure is relieved through the breathers and discharged into the intake air at the throttle body behind the air cleaner, so that any oil vapor is burned during the combustion cycle. If someone recently had the rockers off, make sure one of the breather bolts didn’t blow out the underside of the head. Those are blind holes and it only takes a small amount of oil to build very high hydraulic pressure that will blow out the hole’s bottom. That would present very similar to a locker box cover gasket leak insofar as oil dripping onto the head and outer jug. You have to take the rocker covers off to access the breathers. Those are good gaskets and may be reused if they aren’t damaged. If they are installed properly and torqued to spec, I’d be wary that it’s not gaskets. It could be, but I’d get down and look at the underside of the head with a flashlight. Make sure the oil isn’t coming from under the head and blowing back and up making it look like a gasket. Harley is going to sell you a new head if the hole is blown out. There is a permanent fix that will cost about $8 bucks. Ride safe! ✌️
@jimr898
3 жыл бұрын
@@fishandgameman yesterday took and picked tank up and re opened back cyl,.think got the leak fixed.been cleaning n polish n waxing all mirn.lol and ready for 7 mile ride to her brothers and chech'k how it holds.ran it 6 times few min each.10 min this morn for a good heat up.all looks good so far.unshur,might been torque wrench reading funny.i messed with it and noticed the towues lot tighter to.and breather rechecked.bout no gaskets.going to test and determine my shop cancelation at a non dealer with very high rep.do we shall see.and I swab every hole prior to reinstallation due to oil.so am familiar after 4 vids notated clean them holes out.put bolts in same holes like wise ,but appreciate the feed back bruth
@knowbody9679
Жыл бұрын
Can someone help me. Would this piece cause oil coming Into my intake manifold?
@fishandgameman
Жыл бұрын
Likely not in the circumstances described in the video. The internal crankcase pressure on most stock models is intentionally vented into the intake downstream from the air cleaner for combustion with the air/fuel charge into the combustion chamber. Since a certain amount crankcase gases contain atomized engine oil and ring blow by combustion byproducts, it makes for cleaner emissions if given the opportunity burn in combustion and catalytic converter rather than being simply vented to the atmosphere. It allows the motor company to meet ever-so tightening emissions standards. In the video, the breather was blocked off inadvertently completely, thus preventing the crankcase gases from escaping into the intake as desired. A blocked head breather will create excessive crankcase pressures that present either in an interference fit dipstick blowing out or crankcase oil leaks at gaskets. Some oil in the throttle body or intake is very normal, especially after a hard run at high RPMs. If you think it’s excessive, provide some more information on engine, year, and any aftermarket adds. Good luck.
@knowbody9679
Жыл бұрын
@@fishandgameman It’s a bone stock 97 fatboy. The problem I am having is this. I replaced the intake gaskets. The bike runs perfect until I start riding. Then oil makes its way through the new gasket and my intake leaks. I have put this intake on four times now with the same problem. It’s a simple piece with a simple gasket. The bike never leaked oil from the old gasket. But I can’t get these new gaskets to seal properly.
@fishandgameman
Жыл бұрын
@@knowbody9679 So that’s the EVO engine that has a carburetor correct? If oil is leaking past the cone shaped seal where the intake mates with the head, and they have been installed correctly with the correct torque; I’d closely inspect the mounting flanges for damage. Pay particular attention to the flanges where the bolts go and make sure there are no cracks in the metal flange from over tightening or a dropped bike on the right side where the air cleaner impacted the ground causing excessive force transferred to the intake manifold. Additionally, if a bike were on its side for any length of time, crankcase oil could have migrated to the top end; although, it shouldn’t leak past those seals because that’s a negative pressure environment while the engine is running. Air should not pass by the seals, so oil certainly shouldn’t. You have introduced a performance issue in your last comment that it runs fine at idle, so I guess it begins running poorly off idle. If air is leaking past the seals, you are experiencing a lean air/fuel charge into the combustion chamber. Any air introduced after or downstream from the carburetor is often referred to as a vacuum leak. The intake is a vacuum chamber when the engine is running and the carburetor delivers a metered amount of fuel tuned by the expected airflow. Any air introduced after the carburetor, creates that lean condition and carbureted engines can’t compensate like a fuel injected engine by flowing more fuel based on O2 sensor data. One simple way to check for a vacuum leak is by spraying carburetor cleaner on the mating seal area while the engine is running. Crack the throttle to the point the engine begins running rough and spray the cleaner. If it smooths out, that indicates an air leak because the combustible carburetor cleaner mixes with the unwanted air helping to tune the air/fuel charge to a stoichiometric ratio. I would start there. If oil is leaking from those intake seals, air is definitely leaking in while the engine is operating. You must achieve an adequate intake to head seal before moving on your troubleshooting path. Overheating could warp the mating surface to the point a seal may not be achieved, but I suspect a damaged intake mounting flange or improperly torqued fasteners. Those two on the back are hard to get at with a hex. Try removing the top engine mount for better access. If after that you still experience higher than normal crankcase pressures, then your headed down the path of badly worn piston rings allowing excessive combustion gas blow by. Contrary to misinformation, ideally, crankcase pressure should be zero or even negative. I think some of my other comments explain why and how it’s created to begin with. I hope this helps. Good luck!
@knowbody9679
Жыл бұрын
@@fishandgameman Thank you so much. I just bought this bike and believe it’s been dropped over because the air filter cover is scratched. It was running lean so I changed the intake gaskets and now I can’t get them to seal properly. I checked the compression on both cylinders and I don’t believe the piston rings are damaged. So I’ll buy a new intake with flanges and try again. Thank you so much.
@fishandgameman
Жыл бұрын
@@knowbody9679 let us know what fixes it to maybe help out the next person. You may have to make some mixture adjustments to the carb. It’s likely whomever had it previously, fiddled with the mixture to trying to correct the lean condition. ✌️
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