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@nunchucker
Ай бұрын
Welcome to the blue side homie. The one thing I haven't heard people focusing on is the zero-maintenance aspect of it. Experts are maintaining the system for you, and you get to just enjoy your life.
@adame3009
Ай бұрын
It's true. I've been using it for the last 4 months on my Framework 13 and it's been extremely smooth sailing.
@Biotechy
Ай бұрын
Is it good for daily use? I've been using TW for a while now.
@ominoussage
Ай бұрын
You can achieve the same feeling on all Linux distros though? Just don't mess with your PC by your own and let software/security updates do the job.
@sebastianbauer4768
Ай бұрын
@@Biotechy Yes extremely, I also came from the opensuse side. It feels more polished and the difficult part, mixing the externel repos like packman, doesn't happen on your machine but on the server you pull your updates from. It's even rolling automatically to newer versions, you never notice a thing.
@ibm450
Ай бұрын
Anyone know how to roll back the nvidia driver from 555 to the last latest 550xx on bluefin and how please...
@Novalax
Ай бұрын
The default release channel for bluefin (called gts) defaults to latest fedora version - 1 (so Fedora 39). It's the one they're confident on installing on anyone's machine. For the latest fedora, you have to move to "stable" or "latest" channel. They are both on the latest fedora, but stable has a slightly older kernel. But you're absolutely right, flatpaks and containers make this difference not a big deal.
@JoshuaT902
Ай бұрын
You should move to the latest tag and they supported fedora 40 since day one. gts tag is the default one you get from installing from their iso and it's based on Fedora 39 currently (gts = latest-1). Note for anyone who installs with a seperate home dir - mount it on /var/home during the install. edit - you can also use stable and use command 'ujust rebase-helper' to easily rebase.
@adame3009
Ай бұрын
I've been running the :stable tag and found it to be great. Fedora 40 but updates once a week instead of every day
@sentinel9651
Ай бұрын
Vanilla OS 2.0 released this week.
@thingsiplay
Ай бұрын
I think its a missed opportunity, as Vanilla OS 2 is also an immutable/atomic distro.
@sebastianbauer4768
Ай бұрын
@@thingsiplay tried it, its not as polished and the base software selections isn't as good(for example it has the bad extension manager). It's also a bit confusing as it changes much but talks little about it(for example the terminal opens in a container that's not mentioned in their APX container software, unless you install another terminal, that one opens in the base system). ublue feels more transparent. If you know distrobox, ostree and flatpak it will behave as you expect it, there is no hidden magic.
@thingsiplay
Ай бұрын
@@sebastianbauer4768 Thanks for sharing. So from what I get, in your experience Vanilla OS 2.0 was not very consistent and polished. If you tested an earlier beta or even version 1, then maybe things have improved on that front. But I will keep an eye on these distributions.
@Skelterbane69
Ай бұрын
Does it still use gnome?
@Ryan-ct3rv
Ай бұрын
@@thingsiplay I tried it too and I think they just need better documentation.
@luigigrabspam4596
Ай бұрын
Welcome to the Blue Cult 💙
@vwduder
Ай бұрын
The slowdown on first boot is that you have to populate the OpenGL/Vulkan shader cache which is dependent on the combination of GTK version (shader sources), Mesa version, and what features the app uses. There is no "pre-compile that can work on all GPUs" unfortunately, especially when the combinatorial matrix of GPU features lands you in the hundreds of thousands of variations.
@rgbmew
Ай бұрын
In relation to the wallpapers, I believe that's just a GNOME moment. Every time I've opened the appearance tab on a fresh GNOME install, it takes ages to cache, but after they're cached it's all good. I've seen similar things happen on other GTK DEs, my guess is that GNOME is saving those wallpapers in extremely high quality, and GTK is using a slow resizer to make them thumbnail sized or something. Regardless, I wish you luck on this review! The Silverblue line of distros are some of my favorites ever. I LOVE how they handle updates, switching desktop environments, installing software onto the base system, just about everything is awesome except the typical Fedora multimedia codec crap (which you won't have to deal with on Bluefin!). It's amazing, there's really nothing like it.
@OraOraOra
Ай бұрын
I havent even finished the video yet, but I'm so happy that ublue finally gets attention! I prefer GNOME for "immutables" because the focus is on flatpaks and as we all know... Most of the Flatpaks feel like they are tailormade for GNOME.
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
I actually had random microstutters with Bluefin increase over time, but I originally thought it was because I installed it to a Framework 1 TB Expansion Card. Maybe I'm not alone!
@JorgeCastro
Ай бұрын
Yeah I have a Framework and asked them about this since the expansion modules would be the perfect way to swap OSes. They don't recommend using the module for the OS, just for data due to some issues with sleep and USB, etc.
@VektrumSimulacrum
Ай бұрын
Aurora and Bazzite are both pretty nicely polished. Both of my installs are both on Fedora 40 I believe. Aurora for my "work" laptop, Bazzite on my old gaming PC. Runs all my steam games just fine and getting the 1650 up and running was smooth.
@VHSJayden
Ай бұрын
I'm really curious about making bazzite my desktop distro. Im afraid that it will be too handheld focused for desktop use though.
@fabioarturo
Ай бұрын
Yes, I love bluefin and bazzite. Bluefin GNOME is awesome!! 💙
@kwemo4276
Ай бұрын
I use Aurora as my daily driver. I absolutely love it so far. I used to just use Linux Mint and the LMDE for years. I got into "immutable" distros and thought itd be good. I know they call it cloud native but honestly, I don't know what the difference is lol. Have had a great experience and look forward to what you find that i may not have
@cameronmanicone
Ай бұрын
Vanilla OS 2 looks awesome
@repairstudio4940
Ай бұрын
Love to see the longterm review on BlueFin! 💙
@burnt_666
Ай бұрын
btw, it wouldn't be just bluefin anymore, but i would be interested in seeing you rebase to some other images too. there's quite a lot out there. like there's one with hyprland for example.
@artu3359
Ай бұрын
You can just use the latest-dx branch to get f40
@sebastianbauer4768
Ай бұрын
I also recommend the stable branch, weekly updates feel like the sweet spot since you have to reboot for them to do anything for you and I don't reboot that often. And before someone complains, you have to reboot anyway since pretty much every fedora update brings a new kernel.
@adame3009
Ай бұрын
I'd actually recommend the :stable branch specifically because it only updates once a week instead of every day
@jimle22
Ай бұрын
Dude, you are not a moron! You know a hundred times more about Linux than I ever will.
@Mwrp86
Ай бұрын
But He knows 100 times less than someone most of youtube Linux community
@asadrafi3577
Ай бұрын
That thumbnail tho
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
4:14 That's an appropriate way of putting it! 😂
@usr-noft
Ай бұрын
Pretty sure on first boot in bluefin, it was updating in the background. Thus, the slowness on the initial run. I'm pretty sure I ran into that same thing when I ran it.
@siljrath
Ай бұрын
Well.... Did not see that coming. Could not have seen that coming. Bluefin. Cloud. Fedora. Gnome. Not my cuppa, but will be interesting to see your take on it. Looking forward to void. ... I really thought for sure it was going to be a last ditch chance to do Funtoo.
@WhimsicalArtisan
Ай бұрын
It’s revolutionary because it supports things like oci containers natively. Imagine using the same process you do to create docker containers to deliver a Linux installation and its updates.
@thesaigoneer
Ай бұрын
First boot slowness I guess is related to installing flatpaks et all in the background, which probably is a lot in the DX version. After that you're good to go, it's a one time thing. Fedora 40 is available in the bluefin-latest version (and I belive the stable one as well). The main difference between the 3 is the update frequency (and kernel etc). Have fun!
@sebastianbauer4768
Ай бұрын
I'm on stable and have fedora 40 so you're correct.
@NeilOosthuizen
13 күн бұрын
Installed Bluefin when I got my Framework in June and haven't looked back...
@martynlewis4985
Ай бұрын
Hey Matt, what's your favourite so far NixOS or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed?
@russjr08
Ай бұрын
I'll definitely be eagerly awaiting the final verdict for this one!
@unclefester9113
Ай бұрын
Welcome to the Future! This is home! You won’t have to hop any more!
@advaitc2554
Ай бұрын
Does Bluefin offer GUI tools to take Btrfs snapshots and manage them? Does Bluefin automatically put snapshots in a Grub startup screen where a snapshot can be easily selected for rollback? I'm asking because I use Tumbleweed which does offer these things. So I'm always curious if other distros offer built in and easy to use tools to manage Btrfs snapshots. In a simplistic way, Btrfs snapshots offer something like immutability. PS: I love Tumbleweed!
@HikariKnight
Ай бұрын
no need to snapshots on the root system as that is what ostree manages. ostree keeps by default 2 entries in grub, current and previous. you can add your own "golden" images by pinning an update and they will be added as 3rd option and onward (this uses some space on the /boot partition, so dont go overboard) If you boot into a previous update and run "rpm-ostree rollback" you will rollback to the previous update and remove the "current" update that didnt work for you. For your /home you can use whatever snapshot or backup utility you want. It would be nice to get a nice btrfs snapshot gui for managing snapshots of /home though.
@advaitc2554
Ай бұрын
@@HikariKnight So looks like ostree does something similar to Btrfs snapshots. Cool. Can ostree run on the usual filesystems? Ext4 and Btrfs?
@HikariKnight
Ай бұрын
@@advaitc2554 i think it requires / to be btrfs, /boot has to be ext4 and obviously /boot/efi has to be fat32 (with the efi flag), the fedora installer for atomic desktops is very picky about this
@HikariKnight
Ай бұрын
@@advaitc2554 fedoras installer is picky and we use the fedora defaults, root partition has to be btrfs, boot partition has to be ext4 (and efi has to be fat32 obviously), not sure if ostree allows for root to be ext4
@cameronmanicone
Ай бұрын
Look into the ujust thing
@MC-hammered
Ай бұрын
I tried to like Bluefin. For me, it just seemed a bit laggy.
@sebastianbauer4768
Ай бұрын
It was a bit laggy right after install for me but it kinda settled down, might have been an update.
@n3tronic
Ай бұрын
I've noticed gnome backgrounds take a long time to load on any distribution I've used when you add custom directiries. Not bluefin related, in my opinion. Maybe there is something else in the background (indexing ?) For the rest of the DE to slow down, that you've experienced ?
@danilaros
Ай бұрын
Hi there Matt. I'm using BlueFin for about 3 months and is been a a smooth experience, maybe the most solid Linux experience i have. You system on boot is slow probably because you are using the normal GTS version that updates in background daily and is base is Fedora 39. You can use the stable version that only update once a week and is base is Fedora 40.
@BytebroUK
Ай бұрын
Question for a later vid, I think, probably already addressed below - if so forgive me! But in a "Used To Be Named Immutable" distro, how does package management work? Can I remove a package, upgrade a package, install a new package? Genuinely curious, having never used one yet. The old name 'immutable' kinda implied that "What You See Is What You Get", which I suspect is not actually the case. Ooh, one other thing... On your Patreon page it invites one to share to Xitter or Facebook. Now you personally have a presence on the fedi-verse, could they maybe add a "Share to Mastodon" link, or similar, please? Thx Matt!
@oscs4556
Ай бұрын
Aurora-dx is the best version for me. Bluefin was first, but now both Aurora and bluefin are the offical ublue for plasma and gnome.
@sher1x165
25 күн бұрын
@@oscs4556 because of Plasma, right?
@TechnoMinded-qp5in
Ай бұрын
I am ready for Matt to try out Linux Mint Cinnamon if he already hasn't done it I don't keep up with a whole lot lol.
@drumpf4all
Ай бұрын
It’s atomic. Not immutable.
@darkenblade986
Ай бұрын
why not bazzite????
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
Bazzite imo is more for gamer focused users or for handhelds.
@CaptainWonderBread
Ай бұрын
@@cameronbosch1213 sure, but I've got Photoshop and Davinci Resolve installed and running fine. Not really sure what Bazzite is missing that Matt needs, and the gaming stuff works best as part of the image. He loves distrobox, though, and I guess a Bazzite-Arch container in distrobox is probably good enough. Better than the Steam Flatpak anyway. If he wanted he could probably get Jorge Castro to come back on to walk him through composing his own Universal Blue image with everything he wants and nothing he doesn't.
@amex02
Ай бұрын
What are your print-outs like when using your Epson printer?
@VeitLehmann
Ай бұрын
The different levels of awareness of Linux distros: 1. Oh, there are different flavors of Linux? 2. Oh, there's more than Ubuntu, Fedora and Arch? 3. Oh, there are more distros than the ones listed on Distrowatch? I admit that I'm in the third category quite often, never heard about Bluefin. Sounds interesting! I never tried an immutable distro (or whatever you want to call it) and I'm looking forward to your findings!
@folksurvival
Ай бұрын
4. Realizing that most distros don't matter and there's only really about 7 distros to choose from. Some people would say only 2 or 3.
@VeitLehmann
Ай бұрын
@@folksurvival Absolutely, thanks for adding this. Many are just spins of bigger ones with different application choices and some theming. They might still be useful for some.
@WaltFrampusFrye
Ай бұрын
The fedora version is 39 not 40 I was looking at it yesterday and it looks nice but I am writing this from Aurora instead. I love the whole idea of this but I love to tinker so it could not be my main distro on my main laptop
@yurimodin7333
Ай бұрын
Matt, with opensuse's future in question have you looked at Mageia?
@OlSkunGun
Ай бұрын
Long time review Ubuntu based Linux Mint without using Terminal hiehie
@MENTOKz
Ай бұрын
oh yeah Void i should try that again
@experticus9901
Ай бұрын
I was considering doing void on my second harddrive, but I might see what this is all about first lol. I typically have 2 OSes on my PC, my main is gonna be Arch, I just can't leave lmfao but constantly test other OS on my secondary drive :)
@Your_Degenerate
Ай бұрын
I wonder what all makes Ubuntu's ISO that large. It has two kitchen sinks?
@ByThisShallAllMenKnow
Ай бұрын
I absolutely abhor Gnome. Have fun.
@iamnickdavis
Ай бұрын
Interested in following this
@johanb.7869
Ай бұрын
Very blurred font rendering🤔 And no Dash to panel extension.
@amitozsidhu6693
Ай бұрын
I like the wallpaper, where can I get it ?
@JaapVink
Ай бұрын
Good luck in reboot hell, been using an atomic version of Fedora for about 6 months and just reinstalled regular workstation. What a relief. Also really love vanilla Gnome and hate extensions but that's just my personal opinion just like you have yours. 😊
@danilaros
Ай бұрын
That’s why project universal blue exists, so you don’t have that kind of problems🙂 I been using it (Bluefin) for about 5 months, the best Linux experience is have so far.
@lucolesco
Ай бұрын
Using 'rpm-ostree' is supposed to be a last resort tool. The whole point is that you should use containers for your applications, so Flatpaks and Distrobox. If you don't want containerization, I don't see the point of using an immutable distro Also ublue sets most of the things automatically such as the NVidia drivers.
@keyboard_g
Ай бұрын
Interested to hear how a customizer and linux tweaker deals with Bluefin. Their whole approach seems to be “Just take what we give you as an OS”.
@oscs4556
Ай бұрын
You can make your customised iso for bluefin. Otherwise, use homebrew for cli apps and flatpaks for gui. Missing packages like hardware stuff use rpm-ostree install
@HikariKnight
Ай бұрын
We also provide you the tools to make your own pre-customized (by yourself) image, there is also blue-build which is more newb friendly and more declarative. 🙂
@onewa712
Ай бұрын
I see you're using soolar, do you know any good tutorial where I can learn how to use it? or Will you make a small tutorial about it? I love my MX 3s but I cannot find a way how to properly use it in my Linux machine 🫣🥺
@m0r4ag
Ай бұрын
Who is this and what you did to Matt?
@m0r4ag
Ай бұрын
Interesting pick, I’ve never heard of that distro, im excited about the updates about your experience with the distro.
@ReduxHK
Ай бұрын
Must be A.I. generated. To stay away from this A.I. as much as you can 😃
@danilaros
Ай бұрын
@@m0r4agproject universal blue is not a distro, it works on Top of Fedora Silverblue/kinoite.
@rc2276
Ай бұрын
Well done. You like to tinker and make changes, immutable will really frustrate you.
@n1vz3r
Ай бұрын
PLZ check how good Steam works, esp.GPU acceleration in games; also interested in Firefox hardware-accelerated video decoding; thank you!
@deminmax
Ай бұрын
You might want to fix white balance on the cam. Or not :)
@_BLANK_BLANK
Ай бұрын
Hey. Arch still has a small iso 💪
@user-ks1oh2wx6o
Ай бұрын
Gentoo has a smaller iso
@_BLANK_BLANK
Ай бұрын
@@user-ks1oh2wx6o if you get the minimal iso.
@themroc8231
Ай бұрын
Anyone knows why it has a dinosaur as a mascot if is named after a tuna?
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
It was based off of a specific specimen of the Deinonychus antirrhopus. That's where the distro gets its name.
@themroc8231
Ай бұрын
Thank you for your answer, but I can't find any reference to Deinonychus antirrhopus being called "Bluefin", or indeed being blue or having any sort of fin-like appendage.
@92redferrari
Ай бұрын
Sounds fishy to me 🐠🦖
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
@@themroc8231 it's literally explained on the Bluefin website.
@necuz
Ай бұрын
I've been trying to figure out what the supposed benefits of whatever they're calling this now are and it's all just a bunch of webdev buzzword soup. I'd rather not have my desktop turn into a "sustainable" "cloud-native" Chromebook. But, I guess if you use Gnome with that many extensions on plain Fedora your impression will be that updates break "Linux" all the time and a solid solution for that is emulating a stable (read: ship old software) distro.
@HikariKnight
Ай бұрын
I will simplify it for you then without the buzzwords (which i know can be overwhelming for a normal user) As an end user the point is to have the reliability of a chromebook in terms of update process, in the end what most people care about is that their computer works when they press the power button, if there is a bad update will happens at build time (for us this is in github when we create the image you update to) instead of on the users end by individually updating packages (like on a traditional distro). In short we do the update to the base system in github, if it fails then you dont get an update, if it succeeds then you get an update with all the new packages pre-installed. in the end you get the finished system delivered to you, the one where all the updates successfully installed, you just turn on your computer and enjoy the updated system without needing to worry about having to fix package skews or revert incomplete package installs. Got an update and there is a bug in the new version of program XYZ? you can boot to the previous update and rollback then pin it so you keep it as a boot option for a while. A config you did broke your system? reboot and choose the previous update and rollback the changes. The end goal is to spend more time using the computer getting whatever you want done instead of fixing a small thing here and a small thing there. Hopefully that clears it up a bit.
@necuz
Ай бұрын
@@HikariKnight How many times have you personally actually had to "fix package skews or revert incomplete package installs"? Because in my 20+ years of Linux experience, avoiding those situations is the one thing every package manager has gotten right. Failing to install a package just isn't a thing that happens with the package managers I've used extensively over the years. The same unfortunately can't be said for the "app stores" this model ends up having you rely so heavily on. We already have package downgrades with version locking and automated snapshots that can be reverted to, doesn't appear to me that there is anything new on offer here. How is this just not the Juicero of Linux updating?
@HikariKnight
Ай бұрын
@@necuz a normal user does not want to deal with package downgrading and version locking, they just want their system to work reliably. if the update breaks anything or the update fails for whatever reason it does not happen on the users end and their system is not left in a broken state. If the update in ublue fails (lets say power to the pc is cut mid update), it just is not applied and if building the OS (through github) fails due to packages failing to be installed then there is no update. If you do to see how that is a good thing then it is not for you and you are not the target audience and that is perfectly fine.
@necuz
Ай бұрын
@@HikariKnight A "normal" user doesn't run a distro that updates constantly, they just get recommended Mint and then install that. However, even as an abnormal Arch user, who runs updates multiple times per day, what you're describing with updates failing to install has literally never been an issue. Buggy updates get pushed when you're on the bleeding edge, but we already have tools to deal with that. So from my point of view these "atomic desktops" are claiming to solve one issue that doesn't exist and solve another that was already solved.
@tkenben
27 күн бұрын
@@necuz What immutable/atomic distros attempt to do is get rid of dependency hell by separating the system from the application space as much as possible. Thus the reliance on flatpaks. The base system is supposed to be relatively untouched by the user (no extra libraries or dependencies) and just function as a single unit, and never in a partially broken state. The idea is pretty sound, but it doesn't eliminate every issue and some might say adds others, one of them being that flatpaks need to carry with them the functionality they need instead of using what may already be there. There still is a package manager; iti's just that everything is more tightly nailed down and isolated. Love it or hate it, I'm guessing immutable/atomic operating systems are the future.
@UnbreakableMJ0
Ай бұрын
I want to see you survive without using rpm-ostree, considering it is discouraged and used as a last resort.
@gecked8560
Ай бұрын
I mean, last resort doesn't mean don't use. You can do 99% of your stuff without it.
@UnbreakableMJ0
Ай бұрын
@@gecked8560 Agreed. Coming from Bazzite, there are strong warnings in the documents that using it could cripple system updates. Added to that, I'm challenging myself to live by their software installation philosophy, and test the Immutable OS experience as far as I can push it. And I'm failing 🙃
@lucolesco
Ай бұрын
Not a big deal. Just use distrobox.
@lqlarry
Ай бұрын
👍
@dillacorn_linux
Ай бұрын
I know you don't play video games much but you don't even have a cheap 1080p 144hz?... Dang you're missing out bad
@um8078
Ай бұрын
Why blufin and not silverblue?
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
@um8078 silverblue doesn't have the extensions I would use for GNOME (which I'm assuming he also uses), it drops codecs because of really stupid reasons, and overall it involves IBM.
@um8078
Ай бұрын
@@cameronbosch1213 I'm not really into immutable distros so it's pretty confusing, but why wouldn't a plugin be available on a distro?
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
@um8078 Because Fedora ships GNOME without any extensions, unlike Bluefin & Ubuntu, which do. This can make it harder to use.
@um8078
Ай бұрын
@@cameronbosch1213 What I meant was that can't you add it later? Adding plugins take like 2 minutes, and using an officially supported distro gotta have its advantages right?
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
@@um8078 Yes, but if you're doing it for a bunch of computers, it can get repetitive, and some of those extensions should just be in GNOME.
@renealbrechtsen9743
Ай бұрын
You have that weird background noise again. :)
@TheLinuxCast
Ай бұрын
Air conditioner. Can't help it.
@92redferrari
Ай бұрын
@@TheLinuxCastNo sweat😊
@PPKNexus
Ай бұрын
No intro?? WHERE IS THE INTRO! How dare you! No like for you....
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