Nicklas Lidström was nominated for the Norris Trophy a total of 12 times. You could claim one was one on reputation, there were at LEAST 3 that he may have deserved more than the recipient early in his career.
@jpgcne
Ай бұрын
Meanwhile Ray Bourque was nominated 19 times as well
@notrombones5041
Ай бұрын
Lidstrom was the most efficient, for sure. But not quite the greatest, IMO.
Ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@dilididli2274
Ай бұрын
@@notrombones5041 You should learn what the words efficient mean then. Cuz it is impossible to be efficient without being the GOAT.
@iCipher
Ай бұрын
@@dilididli2274 This makes no sense, so only one can be efficient huh? hmm, maybe another needs to learn the word
@DevilzFan
Ай бұрын
Niedermayer is probably the best skater I've ever seen. He never looked tired, no matter how long he was out there.
@bieber_sux1234
Ай бұрын
Still remember when Bill Clement on TV said he thought Niedermayer was the best skating defenceman since Bobby Orr.
@v4v819
Ай бұрын
Better than Paul Coffey?
@billyricciardulli5965
Ай бұрын
Scott Stevens should be on the list.
@user-zd7ml7ft6f
Ай бұрын
@@v4v819 ..ya bud he was..an i place Coffey much higher on his list
@KillerManzarek
Ай бұрын
Fast but elegant, always seems effortless. He blocked A LOT of shots too. Needless to say, he played under Jacques Lemaire and Uncle Lou.
@superkjell
Ай бұрын
The story of Lidstroms first day in Detroit is amazing: he is asked what number he wants and replies 9. He is taken into the arena and someone points up and says: 9 is up there, pick a different number. Then 20+ years later number 5 is retired.
@darkphoenix2
Ай бұрын
Lidstrom's game was so subtle that I forget what it was like watching him and I wish he could be reborn in someone's body and play another entire NHL career.
@williammontroy9024
Ай бұрын
As long as he still wore the winged wheel I'm with it lol
@HYP3DSNIP3R
Ай бұрын
Just imagine playing chess against someone much better than you, or poker or whatever mind games.
@uranusismightybig5111
Ай бұрын
I never forget when Lidas was pulled thru the legs right infront of Ozzy by Forsberg in a playoff between the Wings and the Avs. The greatest D man got yanked by the greatest forward...(the greatest playing at the time, at least.) And both of them Swedes✌️ Great generation Forsberg Lidström Sundin Alfredsson and a few more... really great. Especially if you consider that all of them came from the same small country up in the most northern part of Europe with a pop of just under ten million people, at the same time.... Shoutout to our Finnish brothers of the same generation too....Selennä Kapanen....and so on👏
@johnnyslokes2712
25 күн бұрын
He was so good that I just got used to that a norm
@thegreatone9923
Ай бұрын
Coffey at 18 is ridiculously low
@KirbyQwop
Ай бұрын
Love the respect put on Hedman, dude has been consistently a top 5 defenceman for a decade now, arguably even longer. His Conn Smythe run was absolute madness as well with 22 points and 10 goals in the playoffs! Those 10 goals in a single playoff run is 3rd best all time for a defenceman.
@clanholmes
Ай бұрын
Fetisov is considered the best USSR Defenseman of all time and even at older age he was a great NHL defenseman
@stefanconradsson
Ай бұрын
I'm old enough to have watched him play for the CCCP on the TV when I was a kid, and let me tell you he was incredible. And I say that as a Swede. Cheers 🍺
@yoholmes273
Ай бұрын
Slava was the Man. Today Fetisov continues his politcal career in Russia as Russian Minister of conservation
@Darrakkii
Ай бұрын
Keith was a beast but its understated just how good of a defensemen Niklas Hjalmarsson was - literally the best defensive player in the NHL for an entire decade straight but bc he didn't score a ton he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
@SonicSlicer
Ай бұрын
I was just saying this above, no individual accolades. Part of all three Cup winning Blackhawks teams, but Hjalmarsson was one of the Hawks' best shot blocking d-men.
@Diddybread
Ай бұрын
@@Darrakkii he would have had the winner in Game 7 in the second round against Detroit in 2013 if it wasnt for s stupid penalty. Seabrook came through in the end but Hjalmarsson had it if it wasnt called back.
@Diddybread
Ай бұрын
Keith is still a legend tho 2 Norris 1 Smythe, 2 Olympics Golds, One of the 100 greatest ever. Basically traded in 6 teeth for a Cup once. Dude was insane
@SonicSlicer
Ай бұрын
@@Diddybread Saad and Quincey, man, that was a BS Penalty, it was behind the play. Who calls that!?
@Keither11
Ай бұрын
Keith should be higher imo
@RedWingsFanClub
Ай бұрын
Had to click on the video to make sure you put Lidstrom at #1 😂
@miccrhaafetl5101
Ай бұрын
same
@TheDetonation
Ай бұрын
There is no one else who should be #1.
@theawayfan6052
Ай бұрын
Yerpppppp
@RedWingsFanClub
Ай бұрын
@@TheDetonation Exactly.
@kalebspencer6310
Ай бұрын
But fr, no Kronwall???
@__Aiden__
Ай бұрын
Hey Shannon I usually don’t comment often but I just wanted to say I really enjoy your list videos
@HandsomeDanVacationRentals
Ай бұрын
Lidstrom was a ridiculous player. He didn’t have the hardest shot, hardest body checks, nor was he necessarily an offensive juggernaught. He was just simply the best defenseman, and often the best player, on the ice every night. The way he could control the play and turn the flow of a game was ridiculuous.
@barkerm9
Ай бұрын
I would have put Scott Stevens on my list. In a lot of ways he was the player who defined his era, and people forget that he was a very good offensive defensemen.
@85blutch
Ай бұрын
Best shut down dman of all time, with offensive upside.
@TNfelldin
Ай бұрын
He dominated the d-zone and defensive sides blueline. He made teams change their tactics by his fysical playstyle. I would say he is top 5 all time!
@rantanen1
Ай бұрын
Whether you love him or hate him, fact is that teams literally had to adjust their play to keep their forwards away from him. The fact that one defenseman caused teams to adjust and change their plays speaks volumes.
@davegrier523
Ай бұрын
Total goon.
@CallsignJoNay
Ай бұрын
Agree
@spicekid6259
Ай бұрын
Thank you for shouting out Vlady Konstantinov
@leviklynstra8975
Ай бұрын
Yeah 😞
@Jelsick
Ай бұрын
After the North Stars bailed in 93, I adopted the Wings as my favorite team. Loved Vladimir. So sad what happened to him.
@Chemguy91
Ай бұрын
Had he been able to keep playing at the level he was Detroit had arguably the best 1-2 defensive pairing of the late 90’s/early 00’s, either get run over on one side or never get an opportunity to shoot or make a clean pass on the other.
@brettblondin5080
Ай бұрын
Feel like chara and keith should be higher. Fox maker and Hughes are great but I think it’s to early in their career to put them higher than those 2 guys
@t.r.m.2593
Ай бұрын
Completely agree.
@seanhartel5362
Ай бұрын
@@t.r.m.2593maker?
@jonah.donohue
Ай бұрын
At this point they passed Chara, by the end of their careers will be better then Keith
@scrotumscratcher2474
Ай бұрын
I’m going on a limb but I’m gonna say he ranked them higher because of higher ceiling and what they’ve already accomplished in such a short time. Fox won a Norris and has been excellent from the start and makar got a triple crown in the same season
@axe2grind244
Ай бұрын
Chara is top 5 for me without question. I’m 45 so I’m old as f and I’ve watched all these guys play and he was the toughest to play against in his prime than any guy I’ve ever seen.
@scotsaul
Ай бұрын
Thanks for mentioning Larry Robinson and why he's not on your list. I saw him play in the mid 70's and he amazed me. Sooo good. And Chara, see here's the thing, I'm a Habs fan (Canucks #2) so supposed to hate Bruins, but Chara played in Prince George, where I live now, and he was something to behold. And then there's Bourque. Oh boy.
@nickh4354
Ай бұрын
Obligatory "where is MY favorite defenseman this is an outrage how dare you mr hockey man guy"
@bartsanders1553
Ай бұрын
Obligatory "That guy was a fraud, how dare you mention him in the same breath as these legends"
@winkletown8828
Ай бұрын
3 current defenders belong amongst the greats? 🤔🤔🤔
@RXBannedit
Ай бұрын
I normally think you're extremely well-informed and fair (and still do), but not having Stevens on here is insane. Like, even if you're just picking a single NJ defenseman named Scott, Stevens gets it over Niedermayer. Full stop.
@85blutch
Ай бұрын
He was the heart and soul of that team, more important than Brodeur imo. Best shut down dman of all time, Stevens was the embodiment of the Devils trap, and the reason they won 3 cups.
@RXBannedit
Ай бұрын
@@85blutch Exactly. No opponent ever said, "oh man, we gotta face Niedermayer tonight." But they sure as hell said, "We gotta get through Stevens. FUCK. I hope he doesn't literally kill me."
@andrewgreen815
Ай бұрын
I'm much older than Shannon. My list includes Bobby Orr, Brad Park, Larry Robinson gets a full position.
@OttawaRocks
Ай бұрын
Am slightly older than Shannon and 100% agree with having Orr, Park and Robinson on the list. And the only reason I decided to watch this video was to make sure that both Robinson and Potvin were on Shannon's list.
@SirManfly
Ай бұрын
@@OttawaRocksman Rob Blake at # 9 ??? 😮
@MaverickWall238
Ай бұрын
To me it's way too early to have Hughes on the list.
@winkletown8828
Ай бұрын
Hughes could fit towards the bottom, but why is fox here🤷
@thebestwingsfan
Ай бұрын
Watching Lidstrom was like watching a war general with his intelligence and tactical strategy on the battlefield who knew the enemy like a book. I'll never forget the countless times with Holmstrom in front of the net where he would deliberately shoot the puck just a touch wide because he knew Holmstrom would have his stick there to tip it in every time.
@gregoryjon4346
Ай бұрын
that team was art on ice
@peterolbrisch8970
Ай бұрын
You can have a tactical victory, you can have a strategic victory, so it's strange that you used the words together. 🤔
@bartsanders1553
Ай бұрын
@@peterolbrisch8970 Perhaps he's thinking on the operational level.
@peterolbrisch8970
Ай бұрын
@@bartsanders1553 I think he's needlessly impressed with his own wordsmithery. I'm sure my reply was confusing to him, but at the same time, tell me what he means. Thanks for your reply and have a great day!
@Jelsick
Ай бұрын
He never seemed to get flustered or make bad passes out of the defensive zone, unlike Dumba.
@charlesettore
Ай бұрын
Wow Hughes and Fox over Chara, Keith, PAUL COFFEY????
@bryans5044
Ай бұрын
I’m taking chara keith and coffey in their primes over fox and hughes everyday of the week!
@daveeverett4689
Ай бұрын
Not a chance. The ceiling on Hughes and Fox is much higher. And they’re already better D men.
@bryans5044
Ай бұрын
@@daveeverett4689 bro media asked Hughes if he was hurt in the playoffs he was so ineffective… he wasn’t even hurt just soft non factor sorry to tell you
@charlesettore
Ай бұрын
@@daveeverett4689 yeah the ceiling maybe… but you can’t seriously tell me that Quinn Hughes and Adam Fox right now at this point in their careers can go over Keith, Chara, and PAUL COFFEY
@jma.87
Ай бұрын
Definitely Shannon's list.
@tomchamberlain4329
Ай бұрын
Brett Hull's description of Lidstrom sums it up. Lidstrom was so good defensively, way ahead of everyone else on the ice mentally, that opposition players would turn back and pass the puck sideways when they looked up and saw Lidstrom was the player they needed to beat. He didn't even need to do anything else half the time, just the knowledge that he was on the ice made them give up
@thetanksofworldwarii-tanka4368
Ай бұрын
I think Larry Murphy deserved at least a call out. Fifth all time in career points by a D-Man and four Stanley cups with two different teams. As a Wings fan, I remember the huge impact Murphy had on Lidstrom once those two were partnered on the blue line. They were the best defensive pairing in the league and used skill and finesse to shut down the dreaded "Legion of Doom" line in the 97 Detroit/Philly finals.
@TheLastSamurai813
Ай бұрын
As a Pens fan I loved him. and yes 100% he should be on a list. i have him in my top 10.
@derfman1792
Ай бұрын
Larry was mentioned in the honourable mentions
@TheLastSamurai813
Ай бұрын
@@derfman1792 that don’t mean shit
@derfman1792
Ай бұрын
@@TheLastSamurai813 ...just like your opinion!!
@TheLastSamurai813
Ай бұрын
@@derfman1792 Honorable mentions usually don't mean shit. don't cry about it
@sdeepj
Ай бұрын
Mark Howe should get an honorable mention. He’s in the Hall and the Flyers retired his jersey, but is overshadowed by his dad.
@garyserdoz6915
Ай бұрын
And Lidstrom should have won a few Lady Byng trophies as well. Amazingly low penalty minutes for a defenceman playing against opponents top line.
@davkatjenn
Ай бұрын
Nicklas Lidstrom was one of the best hockey players I have ever seen. Over the course of watching hockey for almost sixty years there are two players that I would love to have gotten to sign a puck for me and they are Martin Brodeur and Nicklas Lidstrom. Holy crap those guys were special.
@itakei
Ай бұрын
what's crazy is that lidstrom didn't win his first norris until his age 30 season, and went on to win 6 MORE times after that
@curojalo
Ай бұрын
No Scott Stevens? Bit of a surprise there.
@Bowman1999
Ай бұрын
Huge surprise
@kyledavidson2867
Ай бұрын
did you watch the video
@atomiczam4066
Ай бұрын
There's a reason they called Lidstrom "The Perfect Human." I only got to see him play live a few times but he was never out of position and his ability to read plays and take away angles was ridiculous.
@notrombones5041
Ай бұрын
Since I started watching hockey in 1971 or so, the most complete and dominant defenseman I ever saw, whether in the SC POs or international (Canada Cup) play was, without question (IMO), LARRY ROBINSON. Total dominance, in every area, almost all the time, in nearly every game, during his best years.
@ChrisCardenDrums
Ай бұрын
Chris pronger and al macinnis in st louis in the 90s made me fall in love with hockey when I was a kid
@ChrisCardenDrums
Ай бұрын
By the way, I enjoy your list videos very much. We're never gonna agree 100 percent but that's fine because that'd make for a boring watch. What matters is your lists are always well thought out and you explain your stance well.
@Lcngopher
Ай бұрын
Theres a reason lidstrom was named captain after yzerman. His leadership on and off the ice and the example he set for younger players was key to him truly deserving that role
@alexthebasilisk
Ай бұрын
One of the things that is not appreciated as much as should be about Hedman is that he's never had an extremely high end defense partner. A lot of his best years he was carrying around the Dan Girardi and Jan Ruttas of the world. Never truly had a Toews to his Makar or a Hronek to his Hughes.
@HYP3DSNIP3R
Ай бұрын
Anton Stralman (Toews level imo) and Sami Salo (late) were his best partners ever lol. The number of pass breakups, smothering 2 on 1's, pickpocketing/neutralizing breakaways were insane prior to his first Norris win. Defensemen really get overlooked if they aren't a top 5 point producer for their position, at least in the modern age. Point production really can get inflated for D-men if they have a great offensive system or a lot of PP time. Give me a a guy that can tilt the ice on the backend.
@KirbyQwop
Ай бұрын
@@HYP3DSNIP3RStralman was solid and I love the guy but he was never as good as Toews.
@bravepotatoe7513
Ай бұрын
@@HYP3DSNIP3R We really need 2 trophies for defenseman nowadays
@don178
Ай бұрын
The last Norris Trophy that Ray Bourque won he said he was grateful because of how good Listrom was. I don't remember if it was his acceptance speech or an interview. It did take the Norris voters a couple years to realize a great defenseman didn't have to delivery big hits or rough up the opposition.
@nathanbrisebois8756
Ай бұрын
I actually hate Norris trophy voting. It seems to be the same guy every other year, rightful candidates are not nominated, and it usually not the best defenseman who wins, and then theres the token trophy wins, where a guy gets snubbed, or narrowly loses to someone else to great fan outcry, and then they give that player one next year over another defenseman who probably deserves it more. I would love to be in the room when they decide who the Norris trophy winner is, for every other trophy there seems to be a more clear concensus or clear winner, or a diffocult decision between the top 2 players. Even the Selke, a very subjective award to nominate for, seems to pass the eye test alot of the time, the Norris winner is almost always questionable for various reasons
@Nichaelas
Ай бұрын
I agree with the people who say it should be divided into best overall defenseman and best offensive defenseman. Forwards have a dedicated award for defense, why can't defense have one for offense? I think there are some winners of the Norris that would probably just win the offensive award instead. Their defense isn't necessarily bad, but I think they end up winning because offensive stats are easier to track and are more tangible than a players defensive value. Unless you're watching all the games you don't always know how valuable a player is defensively.
@dilididli2274
Ай бұрын
I feel like the Norris trophy is now purely about pts. You can end being the worst defencive player on your team but win it with pts. Karlson won it while being the player with the most turn over of the league ending with a +/- of -21. Being the worst of his own team.
@bretwilliams249
Ай бұрын
Watched the whole video, but really just clicked to make sure you put Lidstrom #1 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@edmcdonough4530
Ай бұрын
I am East Coast hockey fan, so, I had the distinct pleasure of watching a lot of Bourque and Leetch. I believe you ranked them accurately. But, I will throw this out there - combine Bourque’s rifle shot capability, his defensive strength with Leetch’s skating and playmaking brilliance, you have, in a sci-fi dream, the most tragic and gentlemanly athlete of my generation…Bobby Orr.
@yoholmes273
Ай бұрын
Leetch over Pronger is erroneous. No Stevens, no Coffey. This list is one of the WORST lists he has ever made.
@zZach___
Ай бұрын
No way Keith is below Makar Fox and Hughes. Maybe in a couple years, but not right now
@hamish_d
Ай бұрын
Duncan Keith at 20 is a bloody outrage *shakes fist* (I'm australian lol) 3 Lord Stanleys, 2 Norris Memorials, 2 Olympic Golds, 1 Con Smythe. All situation shutdown defencemen who could be penciled in for 40-60 points per season. Absolute freak of a human being, and apparently a super nice guy.
@intenttoinjure
Ай бұрын
Agreed
@HomesByPatrick
Ай бұрын
I am with you mate. And the heart of Lion too.
@Wayf4rer
Ай бұрын
Duncan Teeth
@revanxl5612
Ай бұрын
I'd put him in the top 10 but I may be a bit bias(Chicago fan)
@HomesByPatrick
Ай бұрын
@@revanxl5612 same
@ccr35582
Ай бұрын
Lidstrom was probably the most cerebral player ever. Was the best defenseman in the game, during a much rougher era I might add, and didn’t really need to hit you. He was just that much better and that much smarter.
@kevinr3394
Ай бұрын
Honourable mention to Doug Wilson. Norris in '82 with 39 goals, 24 even strength. 12th all time in goals. 80pts in 95 playoff games.
@reignofrock
Ай бұрын
Thanks for this vid. Tired of 'best defenseman' being all about offense. It is so much more. I do not like the Bruins, but I got a Bergeron Funko solely based on his 2-way play being unmatched.
@Hexinvir
Ай бұрын
Respect for putting Lidstrom at number 1, despite Bourque being your favourite defenseman.
@dbn52
Ай бұрын
In my opinion one of Karlsons Norris Trophies should have gone to Weber. Niedermayer was the best skater of his era. I agree Lindstrom should be #1.
@pyrielrising4338
Ай бұрын
Larry Robinson won the Norris twice and was absolutely feared and he didn't make the list. Rough 😮
@bartsanders1553
Ай бұрын
Chara telling Jonny Ericksson "Drop em. Do it," over and over and Ericksson thinking about it before skating away is one of my all time favorite hockey moments.😂
@sammypeytons5030
Ай бұрын
Keith should be higher in my opinion
@bdonaghu
Ай бұрын
Who cares if people get all riled up about your lists? These are probably some of your best performing videos, so just go for it.
@yoholmes273
Ай бұрын
This list is clearly the WORST "his opinion" list. The list is terrible. A steaming turd
@axe2grind244
Ай бұрын
I’ll never understand for my life how adults don’t know the difference between fact and opinion.
@mattraugh8748
Ай бұрын
@@axe2grind244someone finally gets it!
@RRaquello
Ай бұрын
My list I would not only have Scott Stevens in the top 20, but I'd have him ahead of everyone after MacInnis except for Denis Potvin. Potvin, I did get to see, from the beginning of his career, so I'd have him #2, after Bobby Orr, ahead (just barely) of Larry Robinson, who I'd have at #3. But I started watching hockey around 1970, so I've gotten to see more players. Other 1970s defensemen I'd have to include would be Serge Savard & Guy Lapointe of Montreal and Borje Salming. Guys like Hughes & Fox I wouldn't have on my list because it's still too early in their careers.
@zept2170
Ай бұрын
Glad Niedermeyer is on the list, but its crazy not to have Stevens on there, and that is not my Devils bias saying that. My Devils bias would include Daneyko, Driver, White, and a couple of others.
@Quiteclueless
Ай бұрын
Rafalski?
@zept2170
Ай бұрын
@@Quiteclueless Yep
@yoholmes273
Ай бұрын
KEITH is 20th!!! 🤡 No Stevens. No Coffey. That right there is THREE top 100 NHL players of all time. 2 not even on the list and 1 at 20th. Dude had Quinn Hughes, Adam Fox, Rob Blake on the list over these aforementioned top 100 players of all time. This list is one of the WORST he has ever made. Bruh Al Mcinnis over Paul Coffey is CRAZY. No Stevens is CRAZY
@Quiteclueless
Ай бұрын
@@yoholmes273 and Chara over Stevens? Nah. Sandis Ozolinsh? (Kidding) or am I?
@Quiteclueless
Ай бұрын
@@zept2170 what about Vladimir Konstantinov?
@andrewbennett3765
Ай бұрын
Quick Question, as a Stars fan, you didn't find a spot for Sergei Zubov? Just curious as to why. He had to have been close to 20.
@ThirdEye3pic
Ай бұрын
He may not objectively be the 'best' but Big Buff is my favourite player and hockey hasn't been the same without him 😢
@Joseph-T543
Ай бұрын
You have Quinn Hughes too high up, Shannon. You'll see why...
@yourmentalandlord
Ай бұрын
Are you from the future lmaooo
Ай бұрын
Love your lists, Shannon, always love the discussion and analysis and choices - it’s great fun. Hope you decide to keep making them now and then. 👍
@yoholmes273
Ай бұрын
This list = 💩
@christopherrhorer5192
Ай бұрын
As a Kings fan I gotta say Duncan Keith should be higher. I feared him more than anyone else on Chicago when the Kings and hawks were the class of the west for 3 straight seasons.
@JustBrowsing777
Ай бұрын
We love you and your content Shannon, lists or whatever, it's all good 😀
@WarioSaysSo
Ай бұрын
My list of picks for favourite/best defensemen would be something like this: 1. Nicklas Lidstrom = 7-time winner of Norris Trophy! 2. Ray Bourque = 5-time winner of Norris Trophy! 3. Al MacInnis = the living canon that still used an old heavy wood stick and still fired crushing pucks = imagine him with a modern stick how dangerous he would been) 4. Paul Coffey = not as much for his defense but more his incredible skating, speed and scoring touch. But his final 5 years was painfull) 5. Chris Pronger = You wanted this man on your team - never against! 6. Brian Leetch = 2-time winner of Norris Trophy, a solid scorer, a fine leader and my all-time favourite Ranger. 7. Scott Niedermeyer = Niedermayer was a superb skater rivaled by few. He always worked hard, never looked tired, no matter how long he was out there and could score 8. Rob Blake 9. Chris Chelios 10. Larry Murphy = One of the best and criminally underrated defensemen of all times. He was credited by Lidstrom as his best on-ice mentor. 11. Borje Salming 12. Vjateslav Fetisov = On international ice he was the best, but despite arriving late to the NHL, he was always a solid defender non the less and always very diciplined. 13. Sergei Gonchar 14. Viktor Hedman 15. Erik Karlsson = The modern Paul Coffey! 16. Ed Jovanovski 17. Nicklas Kronwall (Kronwalled, nuff said) 18. Sergei Zubov 19. Adam Foote 20. Mattias Ohlund = hard working and loyal man at the blue-lines, always humble but tough)
@jchristner82
Ай бұрын
You know what I love about these lists? Your time watching hockey lines up pretty closely with my time (but you have me beat by a bit). It's interesting to hear your take on players I grew up watching hockey.
@t.r.m.2593
Ай бұрын
Yeah man, I’m 43 and totally agree.
@rocketPower111
Ай бұрын
Drew Dought 👑 👑👑💪
@user-js3gs7du3h
Ай бұрын
I still feel sad about not being able to see Vladimir Konstantinov have a full career. He was such a treat to watch. A master of the hip check and a master of the open ice hit sending opponents into cartwheels on a regular basis. Such a shame what happened to him.
@mjk06
Ай бұрын
When Shannon watches Hockey he turns into Chris Jericho "You just made the LIST!" haha!
@THEGDB
Ай бұрын
Shannon keep making your list we as your fans love em .
@erickleroux8357
Ай бұрын
Lists are my favourites. I actually started following your stuff because of the lists. Keep up the good work!
@kevinfitzgerald2530
Ай бұрын
Lidstrom is a legend. Great list shannon
@SRTifiable
Ай бұрын
Joe Sakic’s best assist in the 2000-2001 season was when he immediately passed Lord Stanley. “And after twenty two years…RAYMOND BOURQUE.” Still brings a tear to my eye.
@bted
Ай бұрын
I don't know, comparing past players to guys who aren't done playing yet seems problematic. I'm biased but .... Scott Stevens would not only be on my list, but up there in the top 5 or 10.
@intenttoinjure
Ай бұрын
Hell yeah
@Shadow12aven
Ай бұрын
Stevens only hit hard. He wouldn't even be in my top 50. Crazy overrated player.
@Cape-Dweller
Ай бұрын
Stevens > Chara
@Shadow12aven
Ай бұрын
@@Cape-Dweller 😂
@NerdAlert66
Ай бұрын
@@Shadow12avenhe hit hard and was a powerplay specialist for a good caps team in the 80’s. Also had a good offencive season for the devils his first year. He was good, there’s a reason why he is in the top 100 players of all time list.
@Sebby25
Ай бұрын
Love lists!!! The arguments are half the fun!!!! 😂
@yoholmes273
Ай бұрын
This list is truly the WORST he has ever made. Terrible
@mattraugh8748
Ай бұрын
@yoholmes273 so you can't have an OPINION?
@garyf8697
Ай бұрын
Nice. to see Rod Langway on the list and the nod to his mentor, Larry Robinson in Montreal.Thanks for the list videos!!
@yoholmes273
Ай бұрын
Rod Langway over Stevens and Coffey is beyond stupid
@LFC-mr6yb
Ай бұрын
Even though I did chuckle not seeing Scott Stevens on the list as a Rangers fan, I believe he deserved to be on this list.
@gogolplex74
Ай бұрын
For me it's Sergei Zubov
@bjornalm9950
Ай бұрын
Could have easily been on my list for sure, soo smooth with great hockey IQ❤
@dornishraven1628
Ай бұрын
Good call! Surprised he didn’t make the list too
@SonicSlicer
Ай бұрын
I think you have a fairly solid list here to be honest, but, I would like to know what your thoughts are where Niklas Hjalmarsson is concerned. No *individual* hardware, but like Duncan Keith was a part of all three Cup Winning Blackhawks teams, but while his scoresheet stats weren't very impressive, there was no taking away that he had a knack for blocking shots.
@theawayfan6052
Ай бұрын
Nick Lidstrom! First European born captain to lift Lord Stanleys Cup, "the perfect human" was one of the best to ever do it. LGRW 🐙 🏒 🤘
@IceNinja2007
Ай бұрын
1st European to win the Conn Smythe as well
@jcoats5529
Ай бұрын
Perfect human 😂
@TylerMorganShow
Ай бұрын
Chelious was a monster, the ageless wonder
@Mdk2730
Ай бұрын
Just wild not to include Scott Stevens...
@sameold5050
Ай бұрын
Definitely, he was more valuable than Rod Langway. Mark Howe should be top 20 too.
@1shotlegend
Ай бұрын
Head hunters shouldn't be in the top 20
@kradz5172
Ай бұрын
@@1shotlegendhis hits were legal when he played and he always led with his shoulder which is how players were instructed to hit. Honestly, this conversation bores me at this point.
@sksaddrakk5183
Ай бұрын
@@1shotlegend he took as good as he gave and his checks were mostly considered legal at the time he played... players knew (or should have known) to keep their heads up when Stevens was on the ice.
@Newbobdole
Ай бұрын
Pfshaw! Good Heavens! This loutish ruffian has compiled a list. I say, good day sir! But this is a pretty good list, Lidstrom highlights are still unreal
@Quiteclueless
Ай бұрын
I realize he was not a top 20 defenseman okay? I just wanted to say it while it’s still fresh in my mind. one of the most underrated defenseman from the 80’s (for me) is Dave Langevin. totally overshadowed by Denis Potvin. thoughts?
Ай бұрын
I remember watching Zedeno playing with the Prince George Cougars. I leaned over to my chum that accompanied me to the game, and said something like, "If that kid gets his legs under him, he will be a force to reckon with, in the NHL". Did I call that?!
@aaronpoliwoda8054
Ай бұрын
I love that you mentioned Larry Murphy as an honorable mention. I watched him when he was with the North Stars. Very underrated player I always thought.
@kirkpeacey4583
Ай бұрын
List is pretty spot-on.....all except the Duncan Keith being rather low fact..think a Conn Smythe trophy would shoot ya up the scale a wee bit..
@martinrosario4018
Ай бұрын
Not having Scott Stevens in your list is a travesty Shannon 😢
@stuartkasperski
Ай бұрын
Lidstrom at #1 is the easiest and best decision. Bourque at #2 is good. I would pop Hedman over Niedermayer and Josi needs to go above Leetch who should drop below Big Mac. Fun video.
@johnnyslokes2712
25 күн бұрын
Scott Stevens belongs on this list over few people you mentioned
@artie218
Ай бұрын
as someone who watched the Rangers during that time, Leetch was the best and your instincts about Leetch and any controversy is spot on, and he was always a fan favorite
@kellismith4329
Ай бұрын
Must be older than you, as I clearly remember watching B Orr stickhandle through the league, your list is good - I always liked Craig Ludwig, Eric Desjardin, and Al Iafrate as well
@Woody10719
Ай бұрын
Awesome. I am here for the lists. That being said personally I would put Stevens ahead of Hughes and Fox. Also no Shea Weber?
@natemundt4752
Ай бұрын
I really think Lidstrom could’ve played another 3 years if he wanted. Crazy how consistent he was throughout his career. I’d love to see a goalie version of this list next
@richmbailey
Ай бұрын
Everyone's lists is just that THEIR list. We all look at players, movies, music from our own perspective, so lists will be different obviously. We should appreciate everyone's personal lists. By the way, love the shout out to Rod Langway. Growing up in Caps country he was well loved in Washington. Great defender. Cheers!
@v4v819
Ай бұрын
I can't believe you don't have Foote and Zubov. I agree with fellow commenters for Fetisov. And you got to accept Scott Stevens. Also Shea Webber! And honorable mentions: Eric Desjardins and Darryl Sydor. And of course you got to bring up: Eddie Shore!
@liam_thegoat99
Ай бұрын
Hey Shannon love your consistent uploads, as a diehard hockey fan you’re the goat for hockey content
@Jean_Maurice
Ай бұрын
Hey! Thanks for that vidéo! 🥳👍🏻💪🏻
@derfman1792
Ай бұрын
1 & 2 are interchangeable for me... I'm a Habs fan who suffered through some of Ray's best years, and I would give him the nod over Lidstrom. But does Lidstrom deserve to be #1 on this list? No doubt. Personally, I would've brought up Coffey, Chara and Keith a little, and maybe dropped down Hedman and Blake a tiny bit. Excellent honourable mention, Fetisov was an absolute beast, even as he got older.
@people3865
Ай бұрын
The problem with these lists isn't Shannon, it's everyone looking at older players nostalgically. Just because we remember Paul Coffey as a monster, doesn't mean he was better than Makar now.
@severed111
Ай бұрын
Having started watching seriously in 90-91, despite THE team inside our home was the Nords and it was not a couple seasons more until they got good (and moved by that horrible businessman...), there's a guy that would be in my top 20 here that many overlook, especially because he changed teams very often,I got to enjoy him for one single season as a Nords, his best season ever, no matter where he ended up Steve Duchesne was always a top 2 defenseman you could count on and he was efficient defensively too, NEVER DRAFTED, yet ended his career with a cherry on top with a Stanley Cup with the Detroit Red Wings in 2001-2002. 752 points in 1113 games and that shortened 94-95 season and then the injury he had the next season with St-Louis, being on a pace to about a point per game each time, despite his partner beginning the season (another defenseman I think should be in this top 20, and he was robbed of many Norris trophies only for a thing he said when he was in juniors breaking Bobby Orr records, saying he was going to better than Orr in an off the cuff comment when he was just 16, never getting a Norris trophy either, Phil Housley, who unfortunately injured himself and only played 26 games in 93-94, he was then paired with Jeff Brown who also injured himself (63 games only on his way to have his best season ever, offensively, Brown was never that great defensively, he was deadly on the PP with many 20 goal seasons), hmm...St-Louis had a lot of critical injuries that season...anyways, I think Steve Duchesne deserves a place in the lower quarter of this list for all of his offensive AND defensive qualities which improved as he aged even more so. Kind of star journeyman imo.
@InsignificantNick
Ай бұрын
This list just adds to the fact that Shea Weber going in the HHOF is kinda weird.
@kradz5172
Ай бұрын
I don't get why he's in. Two guys who should've been in over him from this year's class: Mogilny and Elias. Then again this is the same HoF that knew Pat Burns was dying and waited till after he passed to put him in. Lost so much respect for the institution after that.
@Bowman1999
Ай бұрын
Lidstrom was an amazing defenseman, best I ever saw play in person. Hedman deserves at least another Norris trophy. Still remember going to Blues games when Pronger was there and all the fans booing him.
@Howl201
Ай бұрын
“ stupid hockey guy” lol
@zcastgaming
Ай бұрын
Drew Doughty!
@CallsignJoNay
Ай бұрын
Wow, thanks for reminding me about Konstantinov. He hasn't entered my mind in over a decade. He was an absolute BEAST before his accident.
@doomass4ever
Ай бұрын
I wish I was old enough to seen Lidstrom play. Gretzky might be the great one, but Lidstrom comes down to be the perfect one
@SergeiWhobichakokov
Ай бұрын
A little early for Fox and Hughes IMO. Surprised to not see Desjardins nor Timonen on that list and I’m not a Flyers fan! Lol
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