Hello! Thank you very much for the video. Would you be willing to share some resources that made you consider supra over infra? I've been wrestling with the issue for years, and I haven't found either definitively compelling over the other. I know you mentioned the necessity of the Incarnation, apart from sin, but I'd appreciate if you have anywhere to find in-depth discussion. Thank you!
@zacharypotvin6579
4 ай бұрын
I'd like to see my Mom again. *violin plays*
@preachingistheessence3832
4 ай бұрын
Look up Srila Prabhupada, he dismantled Augustine’s new philosophy thoroughly and clearly. The section is in the book Dialectic Spiritualism, highly recommend to anyone serious about philosophy.
@stinkybean1
4 ай бұрын
Hey Redeemed Zoomer, why do your videos always get dislike-bombed? Your content is really good and it doesn't make sense for a 2:1 dislike ratio to consistently happen.
@Christus-totalis
4 ай бұрын
@@dvd1989 No Christ no creation. Yes He is necessary for any possible world.
@school-replacement
4 ай бұрын
1:06 - N.T. Wright 3:53 - Abraham Kuyper 7:04 - John Williamsom Nevin 9:22 - Samuel Rutherford 14:45 - Duns Scotus 18:49 - John Knox 20:08 - Anselm 21:35 - John Calvin 23:15 - Augustine 25:18 - Athanasius Pin 👉👈
@Nguyenzander
4 ай бұрын
No pin I guess not
@jc47
4 ай бұрын
@@Nguyenzander pin
@Antic_MC
4 ай бұрын
@@Nguyenzandertbf, his pin is actually useful and not just spam.
@Nguyenzander
4 ай бұрын
@@Antic_MC yeah
@Antic_MC
4 ай бұрын
@@Nguyenzander 🙂
@zacharypotvin6579
4 ай бұрын
The fact that St. Thomas Aquinas isn't on this list is a crime.
@KnightFel
4 ай бұрын
Overrated. Tons of Greek philosophy in his stuff.
@4u_lightningwolf
4 ай бұрын
@@KnightFel which is why he is good, he helped meld science and religion.
@popgabriel5327
4 ай бұрын
It's his personal opinion, you can have yours. The list isn't even trying to be objective. (read this with a calm and slightly upbeat voice)
@domen6398
4 ай бұрын
He did believe in witches tho.
@gunsgalore7571
4 ай бұрын
Well, it's from a Presbyterian perspective. I'm Catholic, but I wouldn't expect a Pentacostal to make a video about his top favorite pastors and put any Catholic priests on it.
@ChrisTheFreedomEnjoyer
4 ай бұрын
It’s official: Redeemed Zoomer converted from nice Calvinism to mean Calvinism
@ninjason57
4 ай бұрын
Is there a difference? :P
@user-xd9ui2ul1s
4 ай бұрын
@@ninjason57nice Calvinism 😇 mean Calvinism 😈
@bun197
4 ай бұрын
God created people knowing they would go to Hell no matter what calvinism versus God created people knowing they would go to Hell no matter what calvinism
@mrn0b0dy46
4 ай бұрын
He's a Calvanist?
@user-xd9ui2ul1s
4 ай бұрын
@@mrn0b0dy46 he is
@arasgee9184
4 ай бұрын
Wow, I didn't know John Cena was a theologian!
@JeP-lz4ti
4 ай бұрын
What, you didn't see him give Solo Sikoa the Attitude Adjustment on Sunday?
@jim3769
4 ай бұрын
Shame!! Everyone already knows that by now!
@asterglaceon
4 ай бұрын
I like my dad. He’s not a theologian but he’s really good at theology and I love him
@Catholic_Papalist_Hunter
4 ай бұрын
C.S Lewis 💪
@Shevock
4 ай бұрын
Great popularizer of Christian writing!
@olekcholewa8171
4 ай бұрын
L for not converting to Catholicism despite Tolkien asking him to do it
@TheStarshipGarage
4 ай бұрын
Agree, he was a fantastic writer and lay theologian who was a brilliant wordsmith.
@igorlopes7589
4 ай бұрын
@@olekcholewa8171He had an ulsterior motive for not becoming a catholic
@natanaelmedina2189
4 ай бұрын
@@igorlopes7589what was it? I thought it was just that he was more "leaned" to it
@ikemeitz5287
4 ай бұрын
I'm a calvinist protestant too, and I think you should give Aquinas another shot! "Pure Being" is a SUPER sophisticated definition that helped me a ton once I understood it. It isn't as immediately understandable like "The Infinite," but it contains everything that The Infinite implies, and is even more philosophically useful imo.
@olekcholewa8171
4 ай бұрын
William Lane Craig, Richard Dawkins' worst nightmare.
@matt61956q
4 ай бұрын
I'm curious to know his opinions on Craig
@joshuajohansen1210
4 ай бұрын
He probably thinks he is a trinitarian heretic.
@olekcholewa8171
4 ай бұрын
@@joshuajohansen1210 what
@joshuajohansen1210
4 ай бұрын
Redeemed Zoomer loves pointing out anyone who disagrees with an early church council. I think WLC has been acused of Apollinarianism.
@olekcholewa8171
4 ай бұрын
@@joshuajohansen1210 Was he? I never saw him saying anything Apollinarian.
@noesautel1043
4 ай бұрын
Being French, hearing that “Calvin is not quite as skilled as a writer” hurt since his written works are in a strictly literary sense highly recognized among French scholars, his “rethoric of simplicity” is a huge part of how the Reform spread since Calvin’s literary skills were very refined,
@TheNabOwnzz
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, this guy's talking nonsense. His writing is generally acknowledged to be quite extraordinary, as here described, "Cependant, même sur la base des seuls Instituts français de 1541, Calvin se place au premier rang des prosateurs français. t Les Instituts de Calvin, dit M. Ferdinand Brunetière,^ | est « un des grands livres de la prose française, et le premier, en ce qui concerne du temps, dont on peut dire que les proportions, la disposition et la construction sont monumentales ; en un mot, c'est « le premier de nos livres que l'on puisse appeler classique ». Cette position elle atteint, suggère-t-il, en vertu de la grandeur de sa conception, de la dignité de son plan, de l'unité de son traitement, de la enchaînement étroit de sa pensée, de sa grâce rhétorique, de la la gravité soutenue de son style, s'élevant même à la majesté, et la pureté de son langage. Pour m'attarder uniquement sur ce dernier qualité, dans la pureté de son style français, Calvin était bien en avance sur son âge. Latiniste du goût le plus sévère, au lieu de transposer son latin dans son français, comme le faisaient la plupart des écrivains. de l'époque, il a conservé la pureté de son goût."
@musilily926
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I've read it in the Latin and it is very clear and fluent, especially compared to Luther.
@warrenroby6907
4 ай бұрын
Vous avez raison.
@jeremynethercutt206
3 ай бұрын
He was one of the best writers to pen anything theologically , Samuel Rutherford and Calvin both , brilliant brilliant minds with beautiful way of explanation and wording
@ayobithedark2772
4 ай бұрын
This guy is such a new yorker 15:27
@newglof9558
4 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on orthodox Lutheran theologians like Melanchthon, Bucer and Gerhard (I am a Catholic but I find the Lutherans interesting)
@redeemedzoomer6053
4 ай бұрын
Based except bucer was half Lutheran half Calvinist
@butterkan3584
4 ай бұрын
What about pastor susan?
@fallenkingdom-zd8xh
4 ай бұрын
Susan?
@niccolopaganini1782
4 ай бұрын
Susan who?
@nikolayvalchev2572
4 ай бұрын
Not every pastor is on the list, only some of the MEDIEVAL reformed scholastics
@butterkan3584
4 ай бұрын
@@niccolopaganini1782 christan mario reference if you know you know
@theelfinator217
4 ай бұрын
@@user-tb5sq6jm2yPastor Jimbob? Who created the only true church of Christ just 7 years ago?
@dukeofdenver
4 ай бұрын
1.G. K. Chesterton 2. C. S. Lewis 3. I'll cheat and throw Aristotle in 4. St. Augustine 5. Thomas Aquinas 6. William Lane Craig 7. Blaise Pascal 8. Scott Hahn 9. Stephen C. Meyer 10. John Lennox
@hordechess7629
4 ай бұрын
Well, Aristotle is basically a deist and atheist at the same time, believing in an impersonal and non-living "God"...but Catholicism wouldn't exist without him and his work...catholicism is not much more than an interpretation of a reconciliation of Aristotelian philosophy and Christianity, which is interesting since Aristotle is more of an egoist that admires the noble over the base/slave, whereas Catholic doctrine is supposed to be more family oriented and promote more base/slave values.
@bun197
4 ай бұрын
@hordechess7629 In what way was aristotle an atheist at all? His first mover has nothing to do with atheism, and deeper than that he assumes a telos for every existent thing based on the infinite reason and self contemplation of the first mover, ie, he doesn’t think the creator of the universe isn’t invested in reality because it imparts a purpose and natural end for each thing in reality- he doesn’t have the sort of mechanical causal view on physics a deist would, his first mover is active and organisational. Also your view on his ethics is blatantly nietzschean and nothing to do with the guy himself.
@carterwoodrow4805
4 ай бұрын
Not William Lane Craig the monothelitist heretic
@STG-88
4 ай бұрын
Gilbert Lumoindong 🤣
@hordechess7629
4 ай бұрын
@@bun197 Honestly, I think you are right and I stand corrected...After all, many Theologians (like Aquinas, Maimonides, Al-Farabi) took the "first cause" idea really seriously and based on that point of view, carried on Aristotle's work. Thank you for enlightening me! :) Still though I think Aristotle admires the noble over the base and yes I am going off Nietzschean terminology here. There are four tenants of Aristotelian Naturalism - 1. Species have characteristic ways of life, 2. Some ways of life are better for survival and reproduction than others, 3. Survivability is an intrinsic good, 4. Intrinsic goods are desirable so characteristic ways that promote survivability (also the species' arete) is the most fulfilling life ... This is contrary to many moral tenants in catholicism and maybe like 80% as egoist as Nietzschean master morality...So overall I think you are right on the first point about Aristotle's work not needing to be deduced to any atheism, but I still think Aristotelian ethics endorses the noble by far more than the base
@Dominus564
4 ай бұрын
Martin Luther, St. Augustine, St. Athanasius, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and John Calvin are my top five favorites.
@Flame1500
4 ай бұрын
Good to see a Cappadocian Father. People don’t seem to realise these guys defined our Trinitarian theology
@ammazer1229
4 ай бұрын
If you haven’t read his works yet I’d recommend Father Seraphim Rose, he predicted everything that’s happening today decades ago.
@igorlopes7589
4 ай бұрын
Anyone who understood the essence of progressivism could have guessed its fruits, it's actually pretty predictable
@sammytalluri1019
4 ай бұрын
Which book did he predict
@barelyprotestant5365
4 ай бұрын
My Top Ten: 1) Rob Bell 2) Leighton Flowers 3) Katharine Jefferts-Schori 4) Robert Bellarmine 5) Pope Alexander VI 6) Bob the Builder 7) Harambe 8) Haruki Murakami 9) Candace Owens 10) Joe Rogan, but only when he is high
@bryanbaez4412
4 ай бұрын
Nice meme. You forgot to include Finney and Steven Anderson
@redeemedzoomer6053
4 ай бұрын
Based
@igorlopes7589
4 ай бұрын
Why is Bellarmine on the same category as a Borgia??? Lmao
@colinbrown9476
4 ай бұрын
Rest In Peace Harambe. You deserved better. Gone but not forgotten. I can't wait to see you in heaven, my friend.
@etheldread7646
4 ай бұрын
So... You're still gonna justify Calvin's orchestrated m*rder of Servetus and even make an idol out of him by calling yourself a calvinist? No good fruit comes from a bad tree, and Calvin, by doing what he did to Servetus and never repenting straight up went against the 10 commandments, and that's one of your best theologians? Foolish, just foolish
@LordMicahBroch
4 ай бұрын
Calvin did not kill Servetus, that is slander. And calling yourself a calvinist is not making him an idol you fool.
@josephringhofer613
4 ай бұрын
good job RZ, I listen to a lot of catholic podcasts their production quality is so high, (from those ive seen on spotify) so I love this protestant Resource!
@seas1829
4 ай бұрын
Still the best Protestant KZitemr, keep up the good work.
@oceanw9988
4 ай бұрын
Cool mine are 1.peter 2. Paul 3.James 4.jude 5. John 7. David 8.st. Tomas 9. St tomas 10. St. Tomas
@user-yh6tt2nu4p
4 ай бұрын
Haha I'm guessing you're from India/Iran?
@uchihadabba699
3 ай бұрын
So holy art thou
@Hunter.S.H7
4 ай бұрын
You need to do a video about supralapserian vs infralapserian because you changed your view and i want to know why. Great video btw
@redeemedzoomer6053
4 ай бұрын
it's coming up!
@igorlopes7589
4 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053Wait, you changed your view? Are you now a mean calvinist or a nice calvinist??
@Hunter.S.H7
4 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Yay, thank you
@ead630
4 ай бұрын
What do you think of that whole ordeal with N.T. Wright a decade ago about justification and Paul?
@bryanbaez4412
4 ай бұрын
I can’t believe you didn’t mention Bavinck. He’s become of my absolute favorites as of late.
@redeemedzoomer6053
4 ай бұрын
He’s overrated
@bryanbaez4412
4 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 that’s like saying Vermigli is overrated lol. His works weren’t even available to us until about 15 years ago.
@blahblah8209
4 ай бұрын
@@bryanbaez4412Straw man argument
@ThePaulKM
21 күн бұрын
@@blahblah8209 I don't think you understand what 'straw man argument' means.
@FallouFitness_NattyEdition
3 ай бұрын
R.C. Sproul is my favorite theologian of all time. I got introduced to many ancient theologians because of him.
@LKHBorderCollies
2 ай бұрын
I was going to say Sproul would be pretty high on my list. He was a brilliant theologian but could explain the why of it all to anyone clearly and relate it all back to how he’s getting this info from the Bible by interpreting the Bible, instead of trying to interpret things on his own.
@maayansagman5771
3 ай бұрын
For non-christians, if you'd like: Baruch de Espinosa, Moses Mimonedes, Saadia Gaon, Aristo, Moshe Chaim Lutsatto, Jehuda Arie d'modena. The best book is "More Nevochim" or "a guide to the perplexed" by Mymonedes
@papstmaximusperversusOriginal
4 ай бұрын
As a devout charismatic born again Roman Catholic 🤗, I particularly enjoy reading these gentlemen who are Calvinists 😘: 1.Richard Baxter 2.John Bunyan 3.Thomas Watson 4.John Flavel 5.Jonathan Edwards 6.Thomas Brooks 7.William Perkins 8.Jeremiah Burroughs 9.John Owen 10.Cotton Mather
@andresramirez8468
4 ай бұрын
I’ve learned so much from this channel and similar channels that are run by people younger than me (probably ? Idk how old you are) and it’s made my return to Christ and growing interest in theology so fulfilling. The amount of context I have learned makes every Sunday mass (and daily mass) I attend much more meaningful and I feel like I’m a part of a continuation in a multi millennia history
@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive
4 ай бұрын
J C Ryle, Charles Spurgeon, A.W.Tozer, and John Bunyan come to mind 🙏🏾
@jordanauffhammer4341
4 ай бұрын
100% agree
@TheGerkuman
4 ай бұрын
Most of them were preachers though, right? Still great though. I would like to have met Spurgeon.
@uchihadabba699
3 ай бұрын
JC Ryle. A gift to the believers.
@julianpark93
4 ай бұрын
I’m surprised you love NT Wright given how he affirms the New Perspective on Paul
@freefolkofthenuminousoccid9054
4 ай бұрын
It shocked me too.
@matOpera
4 ай бұрын
What are your concerns with the New Perspective?
@julianpark93
4 ай бұрын
@@matOpera from my limited understanding, it fundamentally changes one’s view on justification and how grace is apart from works. I believe the NPP basically says that Paul’s statement of “one is justified apart from works of the law” in Romans 3:28 only refers to just Jewish covenant markers like circumcision, so it changes what many interpret this passage to mean that justification is apart from works entirely, which could be a bit problematic for those who hold to the “old perspective”
@KnightFel
4 ай бұрын
@@matOperait denies the gospel. NPP is terrifying. No peace with God through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1)
@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566
4 ай бұрын
So its closer to RC and EO? That's nice
@tiagoviana5161
4 ай бұрын
St. Thomas was neither a supralapsarian nor an infralapsarian, since both are inadequate ways to view the logical order of God's decrees. But, unlike what you said, he was closer to the supralapsarians insofar as God's election is unconditional and negative reprobation is also unconditional.
@JasonHoltz
4 ай бұрын
main difference is that St. Thomas holds that salvation can be rejected by grave sin which is why he views reprobation as privation of grace which leads to falling into grave sin, final impenitence, and due to those sins he then judges the person worthy of damnation
@user-yh6tt2nu4p
4 ай бұрын
My favorite theologian is definitely Origen. This dude was brilliant in his exegesis, and he was the first textual critic of the Bible, creating the Hexapla which was a combination of various Greek and Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible. He also wrote various commentaries and homilies on the Bible, and currently I'm reading his "Homilies on Luke" and it's mind blowing.
@ayolawrence1241
4 ай бұрын
Can I have a soft copy, please?
@ovidiu-horatiudeleanu4231
4 ай бұрын
And Origen followers: ....Evagriys Ponticus ...Saint John Cassianus ...Saint Maxinus the Confessor.
@jorgelopez-pr6dr
3 ай бұрын
Er....I would have precautions with Origen.
@user-yh6tt2nu4p
3 ай бұрын
@@jorgelopez-pr6dr I agree. Origen was very passionate about the Bible, but I think his main error was that he tended to make big "reaches" sometimes. I mainly appreciate him for his scholarship, and I consider him a useful source for source criticism and hermeneutics. I don't agree with his doctrine of the pre-existence of souls, and the other stuff, but the Church was a bit too unfair on him.
@jorgelopez-pr6dr
3 ай бұрын
@@user-yh6tt2nu4p In don't discuss his importance in the history of apologetics and Christianity. In fact , I have a book of selection of his writings . I was not thinking only in the preexistence of the soul , which, if I am not mistaken , comes from Pythagoras but also of his typology sometimes far fetched and above all, the famous apocatastasis , that is , universalism. He himself said that he was misunderstood about that, but many people believe in it. In fact, there is a sort of universalism in these days and there are theologians that support it
@bradyhayes7911
4 ай бұрын
If Calvinism and Catholicism are so close, why continue to protest? Does unity not play a factor in any of this?
@EthanMiller-ul9sp
15 күн бұрын
This just presumes Roman theology is correct and that Calvinists should give way.
@bradyhayes7911
15 күн бұрын
@@EthanMiller-ul9sp That's not what it presumes at all. I'm not talking about who's correct on all the finer points. He's saying that Calvinist theology is incredibly similar to Thomism - If that were true, would those minor differences justify the Reformation and fracturing of Christendom? Would they justify remaining in protest over such slight differences? Catholicism is the default. It's the original, and is still by far the largest denomination.
@EthanMiller-ul9sp
15 күн бұрын
@@bradyhayes7911 well when speaking of predestination, the doctrine of God etc we are close, but in matters of spirituality, practice, and some doctrines we are further. I still think you just presume you are right due to a shallow antiquity. Saying you are the default just presumes you are right and that reunion should be protestants compromising on their convictions.
@EthanMiller-ul9sp
15 күн бұрын
@@bradyhayes7911 to be honest its a bad argument, much of the protest is over practices that arose over self conceptions of authority that in many ways have not changed since their evolution in the middle ages
@bradyhayes7911
15 күн бұрын
@@EthanMiller-ul9sp I'm a Catholic convert after a lifetime of Evangelical Protestantism. It's not so much that I presume Catholic theology is correct as it is that I've become convinced Catholic theology is correct. Regardless, the 2000 year history of the Church isn't "shallow antiquity" - it's the only remaining institution in the West from antiquity, and if apostolic succession is true, that antiquity is hardly shallow. Not to mention that Christian unity is something Christ explicitly commanded and then prayed for in John 17 - to eschew that entirely for anything less than the entire Gospel being compromised would be gravely sinful and schismatic.
@esserman1603
4 ай бұрын
7:05 I finished reading the Mystical Presence yesterday. Thank you very much for recommending it, Redeemed Zoomer, it was fantastic.
@solomonnallapu
2 ай бұрын
It’s RC Sproul for me! ❤ I couldn’t believe you have added NT to this list! 😢
@Argument_Causer
4 ай бұрын
Heres an idea. Top 10 favorite theologians that are alive.
@stevec9095
4 ай бұрын
My favorites are Jesus and Apostle Paul. Wouldn't be a Christian without those two.
@christopherflux6254
4 ай бұрын
What I like about NT Wright is that he’s theologically solid, but he can communicate in a way which could engage with progressive Christians and non-Christians. He could bridge that gap without compromising anything.
@drummersagainstitk
4 ай бұрын
You're doing important work. Thank You. You didn't mention Aquinas or Martin Luther. That is shocking.
@Anthony-Avoiding-Babylon
4 ай бұрын
When you came on with us, I was wondering where you got all of your kingdom theology from. NT wright makes sense
@trystwithchrist
4 ай бұрын
Interesting list. There are lectures on John Knox and Samuel Rutherford on my channel. Other Scottish churchmen from the same lecture series are Robert Bruce, Thomas Boston and Thomas Chalmers. This lecture series has captions/subtitles.
@M.H_07
4 ай бұрын
As a lutheran I say Martin Luther 🔛🔝
@RedFox-yv3rl
4 ай бұрын
1. David Martyn Lloyd-Jones 2. Sam Waldron 3. R.C Sproul 4. John Bunyan 5. Jonathan Edwards 6. Friedrich Wilhelm Krummacher 7. Joachim Neander 8. Moritz von Hessen-Kassel 9. Hendrik de Cock 10. Olaf Latzel
@oscarfabi_
4 ай бұрын
Gigachad list, don’t forget Spurgeon
@KnightFel
4 ай бұрын
Put in BB Warfield too.
@lectorintellegat
4 ай бұрын
The “I’m not like other girls” comment
@Max-zq2zh
4 ай бұрын
Olaf Latzel is super based…
@ixxdiego
4 ай бұрын
As a Reformed Italian, I personally love Girolamo Zanchi
@natanaelmedina2189
4 ай бұрын
Italian Protestant?
@ixxdiego
4 ай бұрын
@@natanaelmedina2189 Yes
@natanaelmedina2189
4 ай бұрын
@@ixxdiego love it, its kinda sad how the protestants and reformers in hispanic and in italian traditions had to flee their own countries from prosecutions...
@icxcnika7722
4 ай бұрын
@@natanaelmedina2189not sad at all…they were persecutors too.
@natanaelmedina2189
4 ай бұрын
@@icxcnika7722 the catholics started the persecutions, but dont like being pushed back right?
@jamieadam575
4 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on postmillennialism? Your transformative and optimistic view of the church's role in the culture seems to align more closely with postmillennialism rather than amillennialism.
@angelmigueliopezperez8853
4 ай бұрын
I'm a member of the Church of Jesuschrist of the Latter-days Saints, but I still love the videos you make. I know this is not the theme of this specific video, but I've been attracted by your denomination and the story behind how you got there. I'm a 17yo kid about to go to mision, but I'd still love to have the opportunity to see you giving your oppinion about the church I'm a part of and I'm willing to help if you need any source of information. Inhowever it turns out, it's great to see people of this generation getting nearer to God and even better to see them sharing it with the world. Keep it going!
@angelmigueliopezperez8853
4 ай бұрын
I don't think it'll happen, but if someone is interested in learning why I think this church is the truth you can always read the Book Of Mormon. If you are not willing to, there's a book called "The Day of Defense" (of which I have an epub to share) that states how the Book of Mormon and the religion itself are true using only the Bible.
@AgnusDeiGloria
4 ай бұрын
@@angelmigueliopezperez8853 use your zeal to worship the true God. Read the Nicene Creed if you want to know who the true God is. God bless you
@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566
4 ай бұрын
My Brother, there is a fundamental problem with LDS, Authority, if the bible its true, we know that we have some kind of authority right? The Elders and the Deacons, because we want to protect our Christian faith there are necesary, then in the bible says that the Holy Ghost will guide its Church and that dont hear if they give you another Gospel, even if its an angel. Then how can I trust Joseph Smith? 1800 years latter to Christ we have Someone that stated that he is a Prophet, that had 40 wifes, that was racist, that started wars, and made ita own bible, how can I trust this man, and not the Church that has been there for 1800 years prior to Smith, and to someone that says everything about the church, including Heaven and The trinity its fallse, giving that the bibke its truth? God loves you Brother, search for Truth and fight for it and for God
@angelmigueliopezperez8853
4 ай бұрын
@@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566 @juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566 First of all, thanks for being respectfull overall, but the unic one of the accusations you made that does have kind of sense is the fact that he had 40 wives because indeed he had as many and there's proof of it, but not for all the other anti-mormonism stuff you said. He wasn't racist, he didn't start any war, he didn't made his own Bible but a book that testifies how the Bible and Christ are true adding also more of the word of God that wasn't delivered to any of the prophets that lived before him. He was indeed a prophet and, if you follow what the Bible says about being a prophet, he fulfill all the requirements for being one EVEN dying for the cause of the gospel of the Lord. None of the words he said were against any of the things in the Bible. Also, we have all the authorities AND the keys of the restored gospel on Earth which are the priesthoods, the main difference between the Church of Jesuschrist of the Latter-days Saints and any other church in the world. In fact, is the unic church centered in Jesus that has His name in it. I testify that this church is true and I'm completely willing to stand and defend it if necessary. Always with respect. God bless you too.
@angelmigueliopezperez8853
4 ай бұрын
@@AgnusDeiGloria respectfully, I've read it before and I'm completely sure we believe in the same almighty God, but not in the same way. And, why do I think that I'm in the right? Not only because of my personal experience, but because of how harmonious the Bible and the Book Of Mormon are. Again, you're more than invited to read the Book of Mormon if you're WILLING TO LEARN from it. I'm sure if you do so, the Holy Ghost will testify of it. If you're not willing to learn and just to show how "you are right and I am not" then you should probably read "the day of defense" first. Not made by the Church, but an useful tool when it comes to talk with people from other religions trying to destroy our faith. Reiterating the respect, God bless you.
@TheScholarlyBaptist
3 ай бұрын
the fact that Duns Scotus was on this list but Saint Thomas Aquinas was not is not a valid representation of both theologians. Duns Scotus is like the post modernism of Scholasticism because as Luis Berkof put it in his Systematic theology "Duns scotus was the mark of the fall of scholasticism because his work unlike Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica was Deconstructive and not systemic and constructive.
@joshuachung9325
4 ай бұрын
i don't know if NT Wright and Reformed should really be in the same sentence. He has great stuff on the Resurrection, but he is notoriously not reformed in his view on justification (new perspective)
@josephkim8386
Ай бұрын
wrong
@ethanmulvihill7177
4 ай бұрын
N.T. Wright is very often theologically conservative, but he is quite liberal on many issues.
@ethanmulvihill7177
4 ай бұрын
And no I'm not calling him a heretic. PSA: You can disagree with someone without them being a heretic (I'm looking at you Eastern Orthodox people)
@disreceded
4 ай бұрын
how so
@simonfetwi
4 ай бұрын
This is one of my favourite videos on youtube
@fallenkingdom-zd8xh
4 ай бұрын
RZ, remember that discussion you had with Trent Horn? I’d like to inform you that he made a video reacting to cringe Protestant memes. Just thought it’d be interesting. And he said he might do a reaction to cringe Catholic memes since no one is safe from being cringe. I’m sure there’s non-cringe Catholic and Protestant memes out there.
@DavidelCientificoLoco
4 ай бұрын
Ive never seen cringee Catholic memes and the only protestent memes that i saw are from the video from Trent Horn reacted to those cringee protestent memes but i don't know if theire cringe(to me at least) God bless you brother in Christ and may you have an exalent day!
@jreaves11
3 ай бұрын
Wonderful job and very clear. I agree with your estimate of Anselm of Canterbury. He is superb. I did my first master's degree on the Pre-critical Kant and plowed through many of the very brilliant ;minds you discussed very ably this evening. Many thanks.
@nightwatch3889
4 ай бұрын
Let me know if you've already done this but I'd love to see a tour video of the Kindomcraft server itself and all the churches you (and others) have built
@more0336
4 ай бұрын
I believe Calvinist ultimately have a misunderstanding of the nature of Faith. Faith is a gift from God that we must receive, we have free will to deny that gift, and Faith is not a work so accepting Christ isn’t of themselves.
@blahblah8209
4 ай бұрын
I disagree. The existence of God at both the beginning and end of time, even the nature of time itself as suggested by Einstein’s General Relativity, suggests a predetermined path for the universe.
@olmanchaheine8889
4 ай бұрын
So what is Calvinism
@more0336
4 ай бұрын
@@blahblah8209the Bible says we are written in the book of Life because God knows and is present at all times (past, present, and future). Why would God negotiate with Abraham? Also, the God of the Bible is a just God and a just God would not force himself on the pinnacle of his creation whom He bestowed free will. That would be an unjust God both in the positive and negative aspects of God actively choosing those who would be saved in the way that Calvinist believe. The God of the Bible is also a sympathetic (Jesus knows all our burdens intimately) and relational God. Why would God seek a relationship with all of us if we were just cogs in a machine heading directly from point A to point B. You don’t seek a relationship with the battery of your car and I don’t think God would either.
@more0336
4 ай бұрын
@@olmanchaheine8889Calvinist believe Jesus only died for those who would be saved, and that God only saves an elect, but doesn’t bother with anyone outside of that Elect.
@blahblah8209
4 ай бұрын
@@more0336 Those are all fair arguments and I believe that to we both have free will but are also part of the immutable plan laid out by God. The ways in which he works are complex beyond our imagination, so it’s not impossible for it to be some sort of mixture. But to answer your question, God negotiated with Abraham to prove a point: not even one person in Sodom and Gomorrah (or the Earth, for that matter) is righteous. Also, who says that we are the ones asking God for a relationship? God is the one who calls us into a relationship with him. When Jesus approaches his disciples, all it takes is Him saying “come follow me” for them to drop everything they have and go follow Him, a total stranger. The call of God is irresistible.
@JamesRichardWiley
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for explaining your version of Calvinism and showing me why I was born an atheist and you were born a Calvinist. This is why The First Amendment is so important our country to keep religion and government separate so people like you and I can disagree and still get along with each other.
@dinojoe1788
4 ай бұрын
Still trying to wrap my head around the Ontological Argument, but it always just seems to me rooted in definition, boiling down to God is God, God = God because God. What am I missing?
@lectorintellegat
4 ай бұрын
The challenge here is figuring out if we mean our personal favourites, or theologians who have blessed us, or shaped us - or theologians whose thought we believe to be genuinely or categorically significant. In any case, and in no particular order: 1) Augustine 2) Calvin 3) Tolkien 4) Boethius 5) Gregory the Great 6) Cassiodorus 7) Anselm 8) Athanasius 9) Henri Nouwen 10) Juan de Valdes
@unit2394
4 ай бұрын
Good list from a Calvinist perspective. As a Lutheran I would shill for Chemnitz and Gerhard.
@tamagnugirma9871
4 ай бұрын
I can't understand how you can admire N.T Wright when he is against the center of the reformed understanding the gospel and salvation. He doesn't just deny it but rather mocks and makes caricatures the essentials of the reformed understanding of the gospel. I have to question whether you're a confessional presbyterian or not.
@decentraeligio
4 ай бұрын
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Tillich
@redeemedzoomer6053
4 ай бұрын
he's a heretic isn't he?
@RAVEmovies
4 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Not sure if you'd consider him one or not-- heavily influenced by Aquinas and Augustine, but kinda put a Heideggerian spin on it all I think. God as the ground of Being, etc. I'm sure there's more nuance there, but I'm fairly certain he was generally a Lutheran existentialist.
@reoffending
4 ай бұрын
I've seen your video on evolution and I'm curious, what do you think about the literalism of the flood? Personally I think there is some scientific evidence of some sort of global flood (such as marine fossils found at high elavations), though if I were an atheist I would probably invoke something like continental drift against that argument. What do you think?
@olmanchaheine8889
4 ай бұрын
Why N.T. Wright, isn’t he that new perspective guy?
@georgewashington2441
3 ай бұрын
Bruh anselm’s argument is logically flawed. Grounding your reasoning in God just makes it circular and a logical fallacy. Even apologists should acknowledge bad arguments.
@SolitaireZeta
4 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on N.T. Wright's promotion of "The New Perspective on Paul"?
@SolitaireZeta
4 ай бұрын
TheGerkuman, can you try posting your comment again? I can see part of it in my notifications, but not all of it. It is not all showing up in the comments section itself for some reason.
@warrenroby6907
4 ай бұрын
Not quite. Read “Paul and his recent interpreters.” There is a kinship with NPP but he is his own man and he is great.
@thatfellow7556
17 күн бұрын
I am in of noticing that Jan Hus is curiously absent. Should we consider him #11?
@doomerquiet1909
4 ай бұрын
I recommend listening to the institutes on audiobook while you game or work, not necessarily reading all of it. that’s what i did working in a freezer, very enjoyable.
@jamesharder1079
4 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on Preston Sprinkle and his hermeneutical process?
@Profeowentprs
4 ай бұрын
Hey your map is all changed up, now I have no churches to go to within a two hour radius :( also there’s no Methodists and it doesn’t say the progressivism level
@LifesanL4976
4 ай бұрын
My top 10 are St. Augustine, Martin Luther, John Calvin, CS Lewis, RC Sproul, Charles Spurgeon, St. Nicholas, John Knox, Glenn Sunshine, and St. Thomas Aquinas
@justintillett
4 ай бұрын
Are you aware of Wright’s new interpretation of Paul?
@MissionaryUniversalist
4 ай бұрын
Creating people to be eternally damned and they call me crazy for being a universalist. And Athanasius was a Universalist to.
@redeemedzoomer6053
4 ай бұрын
proof?
@MissionaryUniversalist
4 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 The Total victory of Christ did a good video on it if you're curious his a really good biblical channel. Also I love your videos.
@MissionaryUniversalist
4 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Also were not progressives. We believe Christ is the only way to salvation. We can make a Biblical case for what we believe without butchering the Bible. And we do believe in evangelicalism and living good Christian lives. Just look at the Winchester Profession of 1803.
@warrenroby6907
4 ай бұрын
Ilaria Ramelli for Patristic Universalism.
@ByzantineCalvinist
4 ай бұрын
I’m pleased to see Kuyper in your list. But take note of his distinction between church as organism and church as institute. The two kingdoms people and a lot of others fail to make this distinction and end up painting themselves into logical and spiritual corners. I also find Nevin intriguing.
@TheNabOwnzz
4 ай бұрын
Out of all the Dutch, whose history is so rich with great theologians, you pick Kuyper? Who believed all you need for salvation is to be baptized, and that you can be in a state of grace before knowing Christ? No Smytegelt, Costerus, Floor, van de Velde, or a Brakel?
@ghoorn4425
4 ай бұрын
he said it was due to him being a prime minister at some point
@TheNabOwnzz
4 ай бұрын
@@ghoorn4425 That's not a very good argument concerning his qualities as a theologian, and Kuyper and his neocalvinism as a whole leave much to be desired. Stick to the old fathers instead (e.g., Calvin, Luther etc); that's biblical doctrine, not bowing down to modernity and man-made nonsense notions like Kuyper does.
@blahblah8209
4 ай бұрын
He put him relatively low on the list. I think really what he likes about him was his doctrines on Church-influenced leadership and that the Church is responsible for shaping society
@ghoorn4425
4 ай бұрын
@TheNabOwnzz i agree one hundred percent with you. A.Kuyper presupposed everyone is saved unless proven otherwise, which is a good way to lull people to sleep without them ever noticing the danger. (this is relevant for his argument for child baptism) which is goes against ''total depravity'' the first point of the tulip acronym
@TheNabOwnzz
4 ай бұрын
@@ghoorn4425 A pastor here explained this phenomenon in his book as "embryotheology", that is, the belief that the preparatory work to conversion follows justification instead of preceding it, so that someone who does not yet know Christ is already saved. It is a pernicious scholastic error common to neocalvinists, based more on Aristotle's law of causality than the Bible. Most "calvinists" nowadays are of this ilk, even though it goes against everything the likes of Luther and Calvin himself stood for, who tried to remove the pagan scholastic influence.
@RandallvanOosten-ln5wf
4 ай бұрын
Aquinas towers over the rest for both historical reasons and for the breadth and depth of his insights. I would have the three "A"s at the top: Aquinas Augustine Anselm Boethius could easily replace several others. The "Consolation" was the must-read for 1,000 years.
@thegreatest4617
4 ай бұрын
R.C. Sproul 🗿🍷
@TheOtherCaleb
4 ай бұрын
Love you bro, but what will it take to get you to understand that every single Christian believes in predestination? There is literally no tradition within Christian orthodoxy that does not believe in predestination.
@francescocantoni5665
4 ай бұрын
Wait! You forgot the greatest theologian ever: Joel Osteen Nice list, I've read "contra Maximinum" by Augustine and I really loved the combination between the confutation of Arianism and the sincere wish of conversion of the counterpart, Arian bishop Maximinus as he ends with:"If you peacefully acknowledge this and other similar testimonies[...]you'll be the disceple of the Divine Scriptures, so we may rejoice in your fraternity". Have you ever approached Blaise Pascal's "Pensées"?
@darreljones8645
4 ай бұрын
During one of his US Presidential campaigns, Adlai Stevenson spoke in front of a group of evangelical Protestants. This particular group was very enthralled with the thoughts and ideas of Norman Vincent Peale, a leading theologian of the time. He had urged them to vote for Eisenhower because Stevenson was divorced. In fact, before Stephenson spoke a word, the head of this group said, "We're all supporting Eisenhower because Peale is. We're only inviting you out of politeness." Stevenson began his speech before this tough crowd by saying, "I find St. Paul appealing, and I find St. Peale appalling."
@annakimborahpa
4 ай бұрын
RZ at 20:06-20: "My fourth favorite theologian is St. Anselm. Anselm is probably the most important theologian that defines Western theology after the split with the Eastern Orthodox." Response: RZ, have you prayed St. Anselm's Prayer for Mary's Nativity (an observance celebrated on September 8th in the East and West, except for the Coptic and Ethiopian Churches on September 9th)? "Vouchsafe that I may praise thee, O sacred Virgin; give me strength against thine enemies, and against the enemy of the whole human race. Give me strength humbly to pray to thee. Give me strength to praise thee in prayer with all my powers, through the merits of thy most sacred nativity, which for the entire Christian world was a birth of joy, the hope and solace of its life." "Have mercy therefore upon me a sinner, and give me aid, O Lady, so that just as thy nativity, glorious from the seed of Abraham, sprung from the tribe of Juda, illustrious from the stock of David, didst announce joy to the entire world, so may it fill me with true joy and cleanse me from every sin." "Pray for me, O Virgin most prudent, that the gladsome joys of thy most helpful nativity may put a cloak over all my sins. O holy Mother of God, flowering as the lily, pray to thy sweet Son for me, a wretched sinner." [Mystical Theology of the Mass Com webpage /post/st-anselm-s-prayer-for-mary-s-nativity#:~:text=Give me strength humbly to pray to thee.,holy Virgin%2C then was the world made light.]
@RedCloudGawdian
4 ай бұрын
I can certainlu agree with Athanasius at no.1 he'd probably be my no.1 too! 10. James White 9. Irenaeus 8. Mike Jones 7. N.T Wright 6. William Lane Craig 5. John Lennox 4. Michael Brown 3. Michael Heiser 2. C.S Lewis 1. Athanasius
@bethmichaud3209
4 ай бұрын
Positively respectful review. Thank you!
@sheepshoe
3 ай бұрын
Ngl I'm surprised that you listed Duns. He was very serious about Immaculate Conception
@MoonMoverGaming
3 ай бұрын
RZ trying to do a British accent just sounds like an old-timey radio newscaster. 😂
@avigoel321
4 ай бұрын
Saint John Chrysostom, CS Lewis, Saint Paisios of the Holy Mountain Athos, the Venerable Desert Fathers and Mothers
@annadad2023
4 ай бұрын
Can you make a video about your favorite Christian philosophers?
@hugo_studio_hay439
4 ай бұрын
No Luther😢
@iancallard3561
3 ай бұрын
There seems to be a common thread here that you recommend mem who put their faith into action. Today theology comes out of university departments and is sterile. What do you think of PTForsyth?
@JamesClark-le7hu
4 ай бұрын
So, RZ, just a genuine question… On the topic of original sin, and deserving hell from time of birth, what happens to the unbaptized baby that passes away? What’s your position and what’s the reformed position? Is it simply if the baby was elect, he goes to heaven. If the baby was non-elect, he goes to hell?
@christopherdunsworth1296
4 ай бұрын
Duns Scotus in saying that God was an infinite being instead of the essence of being laid the foundations for reducing God to something bigger than us, but not entirely other. God then becomes much less awesome, and frankly is shrunk down in our imagination. Brad Gregory's "The Unintended Reformation," while problematic, explores this idea pretty thoroughly.
@JREHangzhou
3 ай бұрын
Somewhat surprised Luther doesn't make the list considering the impact he had on the Reformation and reformed thinking. I guess it is your favorite theologians not most influential.
@PB-mp4rt
4 ай бұрын
What about Rousas J Rushdoony? Institutes of Biblical Law is a must for every serious Christian!
@ioioi_prx4639
4 ай бұрын
If Arius won the council of Nicaea, would the #1 be him in this video
@redeemedzoomer6053
4 ай бұрын
yes except I'd be going to hell
@DavidelCientificoLoco
4 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053but you can't condem you and other to hell even if it's a joke Richard, God bless you brother in Christ and have an exalent day
@ClauGutierrezY
4 ай бұрын
What about Joyce Meyer?
@ThePaulKM
21 күн бұрын
Here is my own list: #10: John MacArthur #9: Charles Spurgeon #8: Charles Hodge #7: Samuel Rutherford (Same) #6: Thomas Aquinas #5: John Knox (Same) #4: Anselm (Same) #3: John Calvin (Same) #2: Augustine (Same) #1: Athanasius (Same)
@Salamander_Space_Marine
4 ай бұрын
Hey zoomer, I think it'd be a neat idea to do a video on heavy metal and Christianity, I personally consider myself a metalhead and a growing Christian (not saved yet or truly accepted God yet but im growing more towards the idea)
@Caleb-dn7yq
4 ай бұрын
I definitely appreciate the list but I can’t believe CS Lewis wasn’t on it.
@redeemedzoomer6053
4 ай бұрын
he's still up there, there's just thousands of theologians any only 10 can be here
@flickflack751
4 ай бұрын
Hey bro i appreceate your videos very much. Can you please make a video about religious critique like feuerbach etc. ? Because i think nowadays people think Religious critique is a phobia and racist, but its actually usefull for the religion and the culture
@wilhelmbuzzkyll
4 ай бұрын
You should do a video on Newton’s weird theology
@DavidelCientificoLoco
4 ай бұрын
Ah yes the protestent that denied the Trinity making him a heritic that discoverd gravity, God bless you brother in Christ and have an exalent day
@Continentalphilosophyrules
4 ай бұрын
Not coincidentally, political European Christian democracy, that synthesis of Neo-Calvinism and Catholic social teaching, also need a reconquista.
@annakimborahpa
4 ай бұрын
RZ at 23:15-17: "My second favorite theologian is Augustine." Response: Augustine of Hippo, Against the Fundamental Epistle of Manichaeus, Chapter 4.- Proofs of the Catholic Faith, No. 5: "For in the Catholic Church ... there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house. Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should, though from the slowness of our understanding, or the small attainment of our life, the truth may not yet fully disclose itself." [Quoting from the New Advent Org webpage /fathers/1405.htm
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