"I don't want to scare people about the Ross to an irrational level" I like how you say that holding a gun wrapped in red tape with the word danger written in bold letters. Just thought that was funny is all.
@ForgottenWeapons
9 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know...but I had it sitting around for a while with the bolt put together wrong, and I didn't want anyone to shoot it in that state.
@WhattAreYouSaying
2 жыл бұрын
@@kanonierable Switzerland and Norway seems pretty similar in that way. If you do something weird, unusual or stupid at a Norwegian shooting range the same thing will happen, people will tear you to shreads. The church example is also accurate.
@josho5108
8 жыл бұрын
So THIS is the video we see at the end of the new intro
@Canadian_Metalhead
8 жыл бұрын
Good fucking thing I watched this. I just got a MK3 Ross, and the bolt doesn't rotate and lock. Thanks to this video I won't be blind in my right eye lol.
@ForgottenWeapons
8 жыл бұрын
+ProJirard the Finishist Yikes!
@Canadian_Metalhead
8 жыл бұрын
+Forgotten Weapons I fixed it and now the bolt turns, but when I push the bolt all the way in, I can pull it right back out, is it supposed to do that? It should be locked in place until you fire right?
@ForgottenWeapons
8 жыл бұрын
+ProJirard the Finishist As long as the bolt head is rotating when you push the handle forward, it is locking. You can always unlock it by pulling on the bolt handle; firing the rifle will not cause it to open because it does not put pressure on the bolt handle. Think of it like unlocking a deadbolt - you can always unlock it by turning they key, but if you push on the door without turning they key it stays locked shut.
@Shadowkey392
8 жыл бұрын
Yes. unfortunately, the Ross rifle is (and always has been) a rather crappy rifle, in every area except for its accuracy, in which it is actually fairly decent (Allied snipers loved the Ross as a result, even though it failed in every other avenue).
@Canadian_Metalhead
8 жыл бұрын
Finally got a chance to fire it a week ago, worked without a single issue. Got it all sighted and is it ever an accurate rifle.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
Y'know, someone on my blog pointed out that the Ross was pushed as a military rifle starting during the Boer War, where it would have been an excellent arm. Maintenance would have been much simpler on the veldt compared to the trenches, and the Ross' excellent speed and accuracy would have made it a superior weapon to the typical Boer 7mm Mauser. That war wasn't such a drain on the Empire that poor ammo would have been used like in WWI.
@reesetompkins7987
9 жыл бұрын
To quote the 1940 edition Canadian army training pamphlet no. 1; "It is possible, by undue use of force, to introduce a wrongly assembled bolt and sleeve into the receiver. The bolt action is then apparently closed but is not really locked. If rifle is fired in this condition, the bolt will be blown into the face of the firer. ALWAYS SEE THAT YOUR ROSS RIFLE BOLT ACTION IS CORRECTLY ASSEMBLED."
@canadianfury3027
6 жыл бұрын
If it were Canada the pamphlet would fall apart
@TKnightcrawler
6 жыл бұрын
If they had to write about it, that makes me suspect it happened.
@chrisspencer6502
6 жыл бұрын
TKnightcrawler for every sign there had to be a reason.
@FakeSchrodingersCat
6 жыл бұрын
It is documented that it happened not as often as the legends would have you think but it would be kind of memorable every time it did.
@snipersl270
5 жыл бұрын
I suspect there is a difference of intent when they said "blown into the face of the firer" from ejected from the rifle into the face of the firer.
@alaineleroy7318
10 жыл бұрын
I am a Life Member of the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association and an owner of a Ross M1910. In Canada, the concern was always a bolt blow-back. But like most legends it gets bigger ("the rifle explodes") the further you get from the source. Your presentation was very accurate. Well done.
@vernonfindlay1314
3 жыл бұрын
Curious, are these rifles hard to find and buy,my Dad often talks about them. Our family have 6 lee Enfield's, and i have 2 of them ,P14's.
@marcbernard2411
10 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that the Ross rifle's tight target-rifle tolerances was exacerbated in the field by poor British ammunition. Canadian ammunition was generally superior to what was being quickly assembled in UK factories during WW1, and this was well known to troops at the front (read Herbert McBride's "A Rifleman Went to War"), particularly by machine gun companies that required high-quality ammo to ensure proper functioning of their weapons (Vickers and Lewis guns). Consequently, the Brits often appropriated Canuck ammo for their own troops and, in exchange, tossed their junk to the "colonials", spelling disaster in the tight tolerances of the Ross rifle. So bad ammo was just as big a problem for the Ross as the mud of the trenches.
@ForgottenWeapons
10 жыл бұрын
amyhuk Many of the commercial guns were made in .280 Ross, but the military ones were all .303 British.
@elijahaitaok8624
6 жыл бұрын
@TheSonofFrank, Ross was famous for starting up projects and not finishing them, had Ross gone and finished his rifle it could have been quite ground breaking
@MegaRazorback
5 жыл бұрын
The Brits also sometimes did it at gunpoint as well from what iv'e heard, demanding that the Canadians hand it over or they would be shot.
@SingularNinjular
5 жыл бұрын
@@MegaRazorback Source?
@MegaRazorback
5 жыл бұрын
@@SingularNinjular Kind of hard for me to cite the source when i got the info from my late grandad who in turn got the info from his father and a few Canadian friends that he made during the war. His father did write a small journal of sorts detailing his things and one entry was about the British holding a group of Canadians up at gunpoint, demanding that they hand over the ammo.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
Replacing the bolt head would probably render it useable again. I may just do that and hold onto it for someday building into a Huot replica. :)
@Immafraid
2 жыл бұрын
9 years later...where's our Huot Ian?!
@Schnipah
Жыл бұрын
@@Immafraid Its the AK-50 of Forgotten Weapons.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
The military ones are in .303 British, and the sporters are in .280 Ross (generally speaking).
@mogdefender8520
Жыл бұрын
Hello Ian, thank you for your awesome videos. They truely are a wealth of information. I have a Ross m10 but rebarreld and chambered for .250 savage. This is not even like most sportirized Ross rifles I guess which most of them were .280 calibers correct? I'm running into issues with chambering a .250 savage round from the original magazine. First of all the round ofcourse is way to short for this magazine, secondly the rim diameter of the casing is only around 12 mm vs, 13.70 mm on the .303 round. The bolt face can strip the .250 cartridge initially but as the bolt moves forward it ends up slipping over top of the casing, not being able to chamber the round properly. I wonder how this problem was dealt with in the .280 caliber sporter rifles since the rim diameter on the .280 cartridge is also around 12 mm. I'd like to hear your take on this. Regards, Marty.
@danny50582
6 жыл бұрын
Canadian sniper Francis Pegahmagabow had the most confirmed kills in WW1 with 378, and he used the Ross rifle.
@life_of_riley88
3 жыл бұрын
@Joe Blowe It's war Joe, kill or be killed.
@WhiteCavendish
10 жыл бұрын
Not widely known, but the Canadian snipers LOVED the Ross rifle for a couple of reaosns. Firstly, being specialists, they kept their rifles meticulously clean and avoided the problems of muck gumming up the works. Secondly, the Ross, for all its faults, is an exceptionally accurate rifle. And finally, because of the short bolt throw and straight pull action, the rifle can by cycled with virtually zero movement, allowing the sniper to remain very well concealed in his shooting position. There were a lot of German soldiers who fell victim to Canadian snipers armed with Ross rifles in WWI.
@michaeldorosh5047
10 жыл бұрын
"Not widely known?" I would suggest that most major texts dealing with the Ross, or Canadians in the First World War, has repeated this bit of knowledge, particulary anything written in the last number of years.
@pinz2022
10 жыл бұрын
The definitive story of the Ross rifle in action would be H.W. McBride's classic: "A Rifleman Went To War". McBride was an American who went North to join the Canadian military when America took too long in getting involved (re: "Legends of the Fall"). He was a sniper, then a machine gunner and wrote one of the great early works on sniping. He did indeed write that the Ross was a good sporter and dead accurate but just too dirt-sensitive for service in the trenches. Plus, it was also ammunition-sensitive and the fact that a whole slew of sewing machine and typewriter manufacturers were churning out cartridges under contract made for some iffy quality control.
@WhiteCavendish
10 жыл бұрын
pinz2022 Sounds like a book I definitely want to read!
@krwood8371
10 жыл бұрын
WhiteCavendish its actually a free download on amazon if you have a kindle or some thing that reads kindle format e books.
@WhiteCavendish
10 жыл бұрын
bigkevin303 I do have a kindle! Awesome, thanks for the tip!
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
Yep, I understand. FWIW, I was willing to so only because there really was a valid educational reason to do it, and because the rifle had already been sporterized. Since the bolt was the only part actually damaged, it will eventually see new life as a semiauto Huot - a project which would have also required chopping a Ross as well.
@lentlemenproductions770
3 жыл бұрын
Semi-semi-automatic; it fires and then completes half of a cycle for you.
@andrewbrown7976
8 жыл бұрын
so this is where that clip in your old intro came from.
@OvoJeGovno
6 жыл бұрын
That clip is what brought me here; I recognized that rifle instantly
@FredCheckers
9 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing that the bolt could collect dirt in the mechanism and freeze up, requiring the bolt to be disassembled to clean all the gunk out. That could account for the disassemble of the bolt in the field by unqualified personnel. Also, WWI was not the peak of thorough training and ample support staff.
@pancholom
9 жыл бұрын
FredCheckers Yes. Actually, the mechanisms vulnerability to dust and mud were the main reasons of the Ross being retired from frontline service.
@Simon_Nonymous
9 жыл бұрын
pancholom But I'd not like to call the infantry man unqualified --- Empire troops were very well trained in the use and care of their own weapons. Ok - misassembly when tired or stressed can happen, but having started to read up on this in response to another thread, the actual cases of injury caused by a bolt seem to be rare and of minor significance. The basic point of the video is that if the rifle is assembled correctly then you have nothing to fear, and that as soon as there were cases of the reversed carrier, a modification was ordered to prevent it.
@pancholom
9 жыл бұрын
Simon Nonymous Anyway, since you raise the issue, the Ross rifle's main problem wasn't the one addressed in this video (i.e., the danger of the bolt misassembly) but its inadequacy to the trench warfare conditions. If kept clean, it would work wonderfully. But keeping it clean in the Flanders battlefields under the average soldier's battle conditions, was nearly impossible. On the other hand, specialized troops like snipers could take advantage of the rifle's fine points without suffering much from its weaknesses. This was due both to a sniper being more prone to taking care of his rifle and the difference in combat conditions. Keeping the Ross working when you fire it once from a concealed position, then have considerable time before firing it again is quite something else than trying to rapid fire your gun either from a muddy trench or while charging in the middle of no-man's-land.
@ronaaserude8225
6 жыл бұрын
he mentioned that very early in the video-the rifle's design being NOT suitable for trench warfare, of course there were no big red letters stating so, understandable that you missed it
@wizardofahhhs759
6 жыл бұрын
Why wasn't it designed to only fit together one way? That way mis-assembly of the bolt wouldn't even be possible.
@derekheuring2984
2 жыл бұрын
Othias and Mae suggested we watch this video and I'm glad I did. I'm about to to take possession of an unpinned Ross MkIII and I wanted to make sure that I understood the whole mis-assembled bolt issue thoroughly, which I do now thanks to Ian. Ian is correct, the whole exploding bolt issue is a hyperbolic overblown myth passed down through the generations of soldiers (imagine that). There is a factual report of a Canadian soldier losing an eye and another being injured by a rifle with a mis-assembled bolt that was fired but heck, that was a result of an average beer league hockey game every Saturday night after the pubs closed. Any Canadian will tell you that.
@colemanmoore9871
3 жыл бұрын
Joining the C&Rsenal crowd to resurrect this video!
@althesmith
7 жыл бұрын
I read a limerick in the diary of a WW1 artilleryman from Nova Scotia; "There once was a poor young galoot, A Canadian Militia Recruit, His Ross rifle one day In disgust threw away, He wanted a gun that would shoot."
@althesmith
2 жыл бұрын
Amazingly, this artilleryman who went into the trenches in 1917 survived the war, including the Hundred Days offensive, and after the war got a medical degree from Dalhousie and lived into the 1970's. I have the full collection of his letters home.
@fdsdh1
8 жыл бұрын
could you test whether the bolt is assembled correctly by closing it then sticking a cleaning rod down the barrel and poking it? If it was locked it would not open, if the bolt was unlocked it probably would open
@ForgottenWeapons
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, you could.
@Crlarl
7 жыл бұрын
That's smart.
@thomasclark140
6 жыл бұрын
Just thinking that thru a little more wouldnt the fact one lug was broken off mean it was at least partly locked and the force of the round firing be more than the cleaning rod?
@thomasclark140
6 жыл бұрын
Sorry i watched again missed that the lug broke off due to contact with the rear of receiver
@SgtKOnyx
6 жыл бұрын
Sure, but there's no real reason to here. Just watching the lugs rotate into place means they are locked.
@wheelfan100
6 жыл бұрын
Is that the bob ross rilfe by ISP
@xSpiegelschattenx
6 жыл бұрын
Best rifle in the game and the only one you'll ever need.
@caelvanir8557
6 жыл бұрын
KirbyfufufuTM - Perfect for firing out of your Bob Semple tanks.
@docthebiker
5 жыл бұрын
@@xSpiegelschattenx Any rifle that makes you drop your sight picture to cycle the bolt is a poor rifle in my book.
@xSpiegelschattenx
5 жыл бұрын
It's not dangerous to use if assembled properly.
@al21joscha8
5 жыл бұрын
I was looking for a comment like this
@cnlbenmc
3 жыл бұрын
C&Rsenal sent me here with his new video.
@TheGreatBeard
7 жыл бұрын
Usually when I buy a new gun, I like to take it out that day and test it out. I bought a Ross rifle last weekend and I've yet to try it because I wanted to make damn sure I knew what I was doing. I watched this video 3 times this week. Thank you!
@mrprank19
10 жыл бұрын
great video and timely too, I have come by two from my father's collection... one sporterized and my Grandfather's Military issued original... Dad had heard the stories and was reluctant to use it due to the stories he'd heard over the years despite knowing his dad had hunted with it exclusively... now I know what to look out for and will have it back in circulation as a target and hunting rifle!
@NSluiter
5 жыл бұрын
It's been 4 years since I did a history project about the Ross Rifle and youtube is still recommending this to me.
@NSluiter
Жыл бұрын
Still in my recomended
@markgiroux593
9 жыл бұрын
I also think the ammunition manufacture and tolerance was an issue. The SMLE had tolerance for I think 7 manufacturer's ans tolerances for them, the Ross did not. The Ross was also issued up and into WW2, by branches of the Canadian military, and many were sent to Britain in 1940 for Home Guard.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
I don't know the exact details, but yes, British .303 ammo had some pretty serious QC issues. The Ross wasn't as tolerant of that as the SMLE, and it resulting in problems.
@IAmTheStig32
9 жыл бұрын
I call it the Bob Marley rifle. 'Cos it always jammin'.
@calamusgladiofortior2814
6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Combine the rifle’s tendency to jam with the ease of misassembling the bolt, and you could see how those accidents could happen. You can easily picture a soldier taking his rifle apart to clean and oil it after a jam and putting it back together incorrectly.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
Send me an email (admin at forgottenweapons dot...etc) and I'll send you a copy of the Canadian manual, which includes complete detail stripping instructions - that's easier than trying to explain it in KZitem comments.
@TheWayBackMachine72
9 жыл бұрын
answered my own question courtesy if wikipedia "Two types of Mark III sniper rifles are identified by different telescopic sights. Five-hundred rifles were fitted with 5.2X Warner & Swasey Company Model 1913 prismatic telescopic sights manufactured in Cleveland, Ohio. Serial numbers for rifles manufactured in 1915 have a FK prefix; while those manufactured in 1917 have a LU prefix. Another 907 rifles were fitted with Winchester Repeating Arms Company A5 telescopic sights. Both telescopic sights were mounted offset so the iron sights were usable and the rifle could still be loaded from charging strips."
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
After that firing test, the bolt is jammed tight enough that I have to use a mallet to open or close it. But I suspect the remaining lugs would lock quite securely if the bolt was reassembled into the correct config. Not that I plan to try it, though.
@kwakagreg
8 жыл бұрын
My father, a Scot, fought alongside Canadians in WW! and he told me there was a regular number of Canadian troops wanting lee enfields from dead soldiers because of the Ross blinding shooters. I dont think the bolt actually flew out but hit men in the eye. I have no idea how often it happened but it was common enough to worry the troops. Greg
@Shadowkey392
8 жыл бұрын
It happened too often. But it wasn't entirely because of the blinding thing. Mostly it was because the Ross, while a good rifle for marksmanship and hunting, was extremely ill-suited for use in the muddy trenches of World War 1, and quite often jammed because of the mud.
@evandaire1449
8 жыл бұрын
The C&Rsenal channel has an hour long review covering the Ross in exceptional detail.
@diobrando2575
7 жыл бұрын
Sam Farnsworth don't think Americans disrespect the Canucks, just most people don't know much of Canadian involvement in the First World War.
@evandaire1449
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah sorry. We've got people in the states who don't know the difference between the Korean War and World War 1. Canada really had a bitchin military at the time. Unfortunately most people here can't get past the leafy flag and saying "eh".
@MrB00mbang
7 жыл бұрын
I think this person means to say at the time. We should all understand that our three countries have been tied militarily since the dawn of the 20th century. We share a bond that is unbreakable no matter how left or right our leaders are. Brothers in arms.
@devonevans
10 жыл бұрын
Said it before I will say it again. BEST firearms channel on youtube and one of the best overall !!!!!
@OspreyEye
4 жыл бұрын
Heck yea!! This channel is better than anything The History Channel or any other traditional cable channel has ever made regarding firearms. Ian and whoever else is involved with this channel deserve tremendous praise for putting this stuff together. It will live on hopefully for many many years as catalogued video encyclopedia of forgotten weapons.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
Sure - I'm familiar with them, I just haven't done a video on any of the variants yet. Anything in particular you're trying to find out?
@OTDMilitaryHistory
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. Thank you for sharing the information on the Ross.
@britishmuzzleloaders
11 жыл бұрын
Great video, Ian. I love seeing real history and real evidence to back it up. Like an episode of "Forgoten Weapons: Mythbusters....." ... Just great.
@johnny0L
11 жыл бұрын
I messed with a Mk2 Ross at the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa and I can tell you that this rifle is not "soldier-proof".
@That70sGuitarist
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this highly informative look a seminal Canadian battle/sniper rifle. Growing up in a shooting family, I'd heard the usual horror stories about the Ross, but always figured the horror stories were over-hyped. I guess it all came down to knowing how to assemble the bolt properly. One forgotten weapon I'd dearly love to see featured on your channel is the famous Luger rifle. As far as I know, they were made in fairly limited numbers, but could have had quite an effect in combat if they'd ever been deployed. Imagine if WWI German soldiers had access to a reliable semi-automatic rifle!
@firefightergoggie
11 жыл бұрын
I was always disappointed as heck that the rifle didn't work out in military service with the Canadian army. I had the opportunity to fire a Ross Mk III on several occasions when I lived back in Ontario and I truly did find it to me a really nice rifle to fire. The example that I was firing was very well cared for, and in premium condition. I was really impressed with the nice feel of the bolt cycle. Perhaps it wasn't a flawed design? Maybe we should blame that darn French mud instead? ;-)
@tristane3444
6 жыл бұрын
Anyone here because of isorrowproductions?
@bogdanbogdanoff5164
6 жыл бұрын
still waiting for a bob semple tank video
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
Ona properly designed cock-on-closing rifle, it would not be possible. If would be possible to design one in such a way that it would be fired unlocked - although there is no reason anyone would build a design like that.
@shonny61
6 жыл бұрын
I forgot how great this video was until binge re-watching.
@sharonkoivu1806
8 жыл бұрын
Actually some Canadian snipers also used the Ross in WW2 as well.
@wierdalien1
7 жыл бұрын
Allan Koivu they were good guns
@sharonkoivu1806
7 жыл бұрын
If you read the history books carefully the Ross Rifle was not all bad....
@mafiacat88
6 жыл бұрын
They were good for certain situations, but a really awesome example of a good thing in a bad place is a bad thing. They were not suited to the trenches. EDIT: sorry didn't realise how old the comment was
@MrS22222
8 жыл бұрын
Wow, I can see someone doing that on accident really easily. It's like that compressed air cow killer thing from 'No Country for Old Men'.
@mpccenturion
10 жыл бұрын
I have had a sporterized, cut magazine [5 rds] and walnut stock for 20+ years. It is a very nice shooter and very accurate, based on you not flinching due to stories. My grandfather -WW1- told me there was nothing wrong with them, the same issue resided in one of the machine guns of the day. Reverse the bolt and it too would fail to lock and fire when open, causing injuries. As My Grandfather said, the guys who got hurt, were not paying attention during their classes, because they were all taught to look after the gear. He was a Major by the time he left, and went on to fly the Sopwith Camel, so he was not at the bottom of the class. Thank you for a most enjoyable segment!
@Sorcelon
10 жыл бұрын
I wont dispute your story and I've never touched a Ross in my life. However, I do have knowledge of it's rival, the Lee-Enfield (specifically the .22 no.7 training rifle which is simply a modified .303 no.4), which has a much simpler bolt that is impossible to put back together incorrectly. In ideal conditions one would imagine the Ross's bolt isn't much of an issue but under stress, fatigue, cold, darkness, etc., such as they experienced in WW1, I can imagine that a significant number of troops trying to clean/unjam their rifles and failing to reassemble the bolts correctly. There's also a whole political battle surrounding the Ross with subcontracting jobs going to friends of minister Sam Hughes, who was also, if I recall, a Ross Rifle Co. share holder...
@bulkforce5
10 жыл бұрын
the guys who got hurt were trying to reassemble it under stressful battlefield conditions. my own grandfather grew up in Thunder Bay and the manager of the local Safeway store had is face scarred by a Ross rifle accident that happened while he was deployed. The bolt didn't 'fly out' except maybe if you were super unlucky but it didn't need to, like they said if you had your face too close to the stock you'd get socked.
@mpccenturion
10 жыл бұрын
bulkforce5 Thank you, I never have run across anyone who had actual experience with this. During war everything is more difficult. I spent a day at the National war museum in Ottawa and gained a small bit of appreciation as an older adult.
@bertreynolds3213
11 жыл бұрын
Hello, fellows. What an interesting piece of history! Just a note here... I think the majority of the catastrophic bolt failure issues were with rifles chambered in .280 Ross, the original caliber of the rifle. A few soldiers and hunters were injured severely when the incorrectly-assembled bolt blew out of the rifle. I don't know that the lovely old .303 has enough gusto to do it, but the high-pressure .280 Ross (which was nearly a 7mm Remington Magnum of today) more than likely does.
@rakufin
8 жыл бұрын
I believe the technical term is potential explodiness.
@jeremeymcdude
Жыл бұрын
when you accidentally make your Bolt Action Rifle into an Automatic extracting Direct Blowback (Into your face) rifle
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
Goldmarble is correct. The early semiauto comversions of bolt action rifles pretty much all involved adding a gas piston to operate the bolt, and fired from a normal locked position.
@carlosdasilva5530
8 жыл бұрын
Ian Saw a post on CanadianGunnutz.com of a person who has inherited an unfinished prototype 1905 Ross PISTOL in 45ACP, toggle action. Have to register to see the post. Mix of Luger/Borchardt/Colt1911.
@ForgottenWeapons
8 жыл бұрын
+Carlos Da Silva Actually, I plan to be doing a video one of those Ross pistols soon.
@acester86
2 жыл бұрын
It's like watching a documentary about pitbulls and your like "aw they're just misunderstood, come home with me little guy, I'll take care of you" 🥺
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
We had it set up in normal firing mode - I don't think that the difference between having the mag cutoff in use or not wouldn't have made a practical difference.
@spencersmith7583
10 жыл бұрын
Also, because the Ross would most likely get dirty and muddy I would think the average soldier in the WW1 trench would be disasembling it lots as the mud and mud coverd ammo would cause it to jam all the time. especially those small delicate gears. he would not care if he wasent suppose to do it, Germans were trying to kill him. It was simply a poor design and too complex its not a soldier proof rifle like the SMLE.
@MumblesMarbleMouth
Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a mud test video of a Ross Rifle MK III. The Lee Enfield was already done and it failed. If the Ross Rifle does better, it would put to rest the debate if the rifle was taken out of service because it was bad or it was something political that took it out of service. You need to keep in mind that the British didn't want Canadians to develop their own independent industry.
@clayton788
9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, have always pondered that concept whenever I shoot my M10. Now I have a question do you know of any type of replacement stock? Cause mine was sporterized by who I can only assume was a blind man with one hand.
@ForgottenWeapons
9 жыл бұрын
Clayton Aspden Unfortunately, original stocks and their metal hardware are almost impossible to find.
@SavageShooter93
9 жыл бұрын
Clayton Aspden Hey we must have a gun sporterized by the same blind one armed gunsmith! Ive got a mosin that was sporterized, and it looks like the stock that was originally on it was cut down and "reprofiled" by a blind man who had no feeling in his one arm whatsoever. The stock is cut crooked at the front, Significantly crooked Id say like 25-30 degrees, and one side has a nice rounded profile (well nice is relative) and the other side has a 3 sided tapered mess of a profile. Mercifully the barrel was done by a professional gunsmith, its got a very well done muzzle and crown. But I guess that guy was too busy, so he let his pet chimp or his blind uncle do the stock.......
@SavageShooter93
9 жыл бұрын
+Chris Varghese Yeah a pet chimp! I thought it was well known that all terrible gunsmiths are either damn near blind, or have at least one missing limb (usually an arm, or brain) and a pet monkey (usually a chimp) that does at least half of the work for them, thats why they are terrible gunsmiths. Maybe that phenomenon is endemic only to the Pacific Northwest, Where "Save the Whales" and "I love guns and coffee" bumper stickers are on the same car, and Gun Shops, Hippie Organic food stores and Starbucks share a strip mall.
@NotApplicable2874
9 жыл бұрын
New to the gun world, so that phenomenon may be endemic to the World, but I just didn't know of it.
@SavageShooter93
9 жыл бұрын
+dimapez and that reminds me of a movie where a guy has an eye-patch that keeps switching sides but I cant remember what the name of it is for the life of me. Now in like three weeks the name of the movie will come to me at like 2 am and I will have no clue why I just thought of it. Gotta love how random the human brain is lol
@SLVRFOX88
8 жыл бұрын
I mostly run across sporterized Ross rifles with too high of price tags; I would buy one if i could get one in the military configuration and at a reasonable price
@romainlapie6362
4 жыл бұрын
OMG I have been looking for this videos for years !
@MrDip02
11 жыл бұрын
Is it because if the bolt sleeve is too close to the bolt head, it will not give it enough room for it to rotate and lock?
@233NATOMAN
11 жыл бұрын
My father fought in the far east in ww2 and always said just how accurate the Ross was and that it was used for sniping.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
I have a manual for the ZfK55, but I haven't had the chance to put my hands on one or shoot one (yet). If and when I do, I will definitely put together a video in it.
@terrysrifles8383
11 жыл бұрын
Great video. And to answer a postulation... yes, when it got dirty and needed lubrication the Canadian soldier was trained to disassemble the bolt. In a regular bolt action one need only lubricate the bolt. Here there is a moving part within the bolt. It was, however, not an everyday thing. Can you see the problems with doing this in a dank muddy trench under stress?
@matsgranqvist9928
6 жыл бұрын
So if you added a return spring you'd have a semi auto👌🤣
@compwiz101
5 жыл бұрын
Check out the Huot automatic rifle- what happens when you bolt a gas system and a drum mag to a Ross :D
@B60IN3
9 жыл бұрын
I could see how this malfunction can occur, hate that you destroyed the gun to prove it.
@ForgottenWeapons
9 жыл бұрын
Actually, only the bolt head itself was damaged. Replace that, and it's good to go.
@hydrapr
9 жыл бұрын
Richard It is usually easier to find parts for old guns like that than whole guns. I am sure there are plenty of Ross MkIII bolts out there looking for a good home.
@hydrapr
9 жыл бұрын
Richard It is usually easier to find parts for old guns like that than whole guns. I am sure there are plenty of Ross MkIII bolts out there looking for a good home.
@DeathbyDusk
9 жыл бұрын
hydrapr Yeah, and there's still thousands of Ross rifles kicking around to boot.
@1911dawg
4 жыл бұрын
Ian hasn't aged a bit
@callhoonrepublican
11 жыл бұрын
@3:44 there are a couple of ways to differentiate it from the safe version, youll notice the red tape with the skull and crossbones haha.. im sorry couldnt resist
@DeepPastry
9 жыл бұрын
Too bad you didn't put the gel where someones face would be. Instead you placed it where their shoulder would be.
@ListersHatsune
6 жыл бұрын
Knowing how much I fiddle with my equipment, I would probably be injured by one of these things
@bdh985
3 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to find this episode for a couple of years now....
@Stale_Buns
5 жыл бұрын
That really is a fast and beautiful reload, just as satisfying as in bf1 which is why I main the ross marksman
@828enigma6
3 жыл бұрын
Hard to make things foolproof, as fools can be quite ingenious.
@devizesco
9 жыл бұрын
About the issue of Ross rifles outside of Canadian Forces. My father was in a "reserved occupation" during ww2 because his factory produced valuable war materials. He was in the much ridiculed (unfairly) Home Guard, a rag tag bunch of farmers, bank managers and geriatricks who were the last line of defence had the Germans invaded in 1940. Thank goodness they didnt, because the Home Guard were issued with any arms that were not required by front line troops. So they got worn out shotguns, firing crude 12g slugs, and Ross rifles that had been used for training. They drilled with these rifles continually, and no one was hurt, even though they had no experience or training in rifle shooting. This was because, right up until the end of the war, they were never allowed to have live ammunition, only dummy rounds.
@theJellyjoker
3 жыл бұрын
Othais sent me.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
No, there's no way that could happen.
@richwalls7678
8 жыл бұрын
One of your coolest videos. Maybe you should turn it into a regular feature... Forgotten Weapons Monthly Mythbust
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
That rear sight is normal military issue.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
Yep, the bullet exited the muzzle.
@banzi403
10 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Hughes
@banzi403
10 жыл бұрын
great video on the ross rifle. sam hughes was the man behind the ross rifle becoming a military weapon. Wikipedia paints a much more positive picture of the man then some of what I've read about him
@John4566442
11 жыл бұрын
One of the most informative videos I've seen on KZitem. I very much appreciate it.
@diasirea
11 жыл бұрын
Ian's videos are exceptional, like going to a high grade collector's gun show.Again no cuts on others, just complimenting quality of Forgotten Weapons site.
@VeraTR909
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, it's old but still super interesting.
@ForgottenWeapons
11 жыл бұрын
As you can see at the end of this video, the .303 clearly does have the ability to do so.
@local38on-tv
4 жыл бұрын
I got a question
@HondoTrailside
10 жыл бұрын
I notice that in your segment on the bolt stop, it stays in the open position, and it seems as though It could be flipped open with contact with the uniform. In that case, if true, the bolt could fly right out. On the other hand, as most shooters of the time held their thumbs over the top of the stock, they might well have stopped the bolt with their hands, sustaining an injury in that way.
@ForgottenWeapons
10 жыл бұрын
The bolt stop would not be easy to accidentally flip, and if it did happen it would most likely just change from magazine fed to single loading. Even if it were left open, it would only allow the bolt to come out when the shooter cycled it, not when the gun fired.
@c4c4cr0773
5 жыл бұрын
I live few meters away from where those were produced. This is a very infamous weapon, but not many people here still know about it despite living so close to where the factory was.
@nicholas_scott
6 жыл бұрын
Rewatched the video that hooked me on forgotten weapons. Great!
@JeffLeChefski
3 жыл бұрын
When I was in high school I took a course in Canadian History. We didn't study WW1 and 2 much for some reason, but I do remember the Ross Rifle issue was right there in the textbook. Particularly Canadian attitude there, emphasize a failure.
@Guillotines_For_Globalists
6 жыл бұрын
I have been trying to find this for awhile. I saw it in the intro video on so many videos but didn't quite know what you were testing. My quest is complete!
@rosscollingwood5189
6 жыл бұрын
Setting aside the potential safety issues, you've got to love the speed of that straight pull bolt!
@howardmaryon
17 күн бұрын
In WWII, in the U.K., the Ross rifle was issued to “Home Guard” units, jokingly called “dad’s army”. My father was in a “reserved occupation”, i.e. his work was too valuable for him to be a soldier, and his home guard unit trained with the Ross. He told me that it was good to shoot, and that the bolt handle could be taken out and put back in backwards to make the rifle left handed.
@erg0centric
5 жыл бұрын
Good thing that bolt came in its own bubble wrap, otherwise it might have been damaged in shipping from Canada to England to France to Germany to Canada to USA...
@HondoTrailside
10 жыл бұрын
If you look at all the sophistication of the bolt, then consider the conditions, you can easily see, as you probably know, how the thing could cause problems that went well beyond what happened here. It is kinda an M16 VS. AK 47 issue. Today the US platform is so refined it has amazing capabilities, but the AK has worked in harsh conditions from day one. At the same time as the Ross, there was the Lee Enfield, one of the greatest actions of all time. I know as a sportsman I consider all kinds of marginal issues, like bolt throw length, or very fine accuracy differentials, but when it comes to going to war in the mud, the rifle that worked, and also have every other capability from club to sniper rifle was the Lee Enfield, it was used in many wars, and continues to be used for sort today. Canadian troops were very well trained, and being there for 4 years, and thrown into many engagements, they did a lot to advance the science of modern warfare. It is often thought that leaders of the day were feckless, and troops abandoned to their own devices. In fact they built full size target models, and gamed attacks endlessly working out every small detail for their specialized troops. Sure they went over the top and got mowed down, but they learned from every engagement and built modern techniques of fire and movement to allow them to survive battle the likes of which we have never since seen. If I had been there, as my grandfather was in 1917-19, as a NCO and later officer, I would have simply set up a system to check the rifles (though technically they were no longer generally in use). An easy thing to do considering the preparations they were already undertaking.
@chrishanson4025
3 жыл бұрын
Not exactly soldier proof.
@kbjerke
6 жыл бұрын
JUST found this video! THANK you, Ian! You have explained exceptionally well how the Ross works, and what to avoid to make this firearm safe. Now, as a Canadian, I should no longer hesitate to add this to my WWl collection/accumulation. Besides, I really LIKE straight - pulls!
@Tomeohara
10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. My Grate Uncle used a Ross mk 3 in WW2 as a sniper rifle. I asked him about the bolt firing back legend. He told me the only thing he heard was some poor sod smashed his cheek. Great work, keep it up.
@mnicrashSoren
8 жыл бұрын
it is good to know that I can fire my Ross and not fear death lol I have the #2 but the urban legend was so all over its safe it's not it actually made me afraid of my styer m95 finally an explanation that is clear with no doubt thank you once again
@bc312radio2
7 жыл бұрын
Great Video. My great uncle who was in the Home Guard told me about an incident on a local range during the war about a bolt from a Ross hitting a member in his battalion in the face that hospitalized him, apart from that a really nice rifle.
@MrRobotRooster
10 жыл бұрын
I wish that I had your job. In England nearly every firearm is banned except 22lr's and single shot rifles (semi autos and pistols are banned). We are so restricted, I went through so much hassle just to get a Ruger 1022.
@evilassaultweaponeer
10 жыл бұрын
Come on over here! We'll gladly trade off Sarah Brady in exchange.
@Wulfjager
7 жыл бұрын
Darth Bancid) ease come to America, if you get past the fact that about 90 percent of people are fat, stupid or both its a pretty good place.. you gotta find that nice minority of people that are really awesome and you can own an arsenal. I fired my first gun at the age of 3 and got my 1022 at 9 years old for christmas. Now I'm 17 and a few months back I bought a 1939 czechoslovakian kar98k for 300$ still in beautiful shape, fires like a dream.
@Alienxcow
6 жыл бұрын
Darth Bancid But you don't have any mass shootings. Be thankful for what you have, and be careful what you wish for.
@rosscollingwood5189
6 жыл бұрын
Sadly, my own country of Australia seems to be headed the same way.
@GunFunZS
3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame to come back to this and realize that you collaborated with Andrew Tuohy. He was so cool, and the ugliness of the internet made him leave. I miss his content.
@MrFlintlock7
2 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC VIDEO! Definitely a "monkey-touch-monolith" moment for me, having read O'Connor, Dunlap, etc. descriptions of the Ross being STRONG, but could sever your spine with a mis-assembled bolt. It's the old "Telephone Game" of hearsay. Still, a lanky fella, with a bad assembly could lose an eye or thumb.
@LJVolkov21
10 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, I'm really loving your videos. We learn a lot watching them. Thanks, keep it up!
@dogoargentinoindia1113
4 жыл бұрын
Brother i m from india...we have a ross canadian made rifle but..cartoos is very few..how can we get bullets in india..
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