SheRaconteurs Hell yeah! What house are you in? You can follow @JessieQuinn to join in!
@SheRaconteurs
9 жыл бұрын
I must be Ravenclaw!
@SheRaconteurs
9 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way about Mari Christmas. I'm overwriting. I totally feel the same way. No more new words. If anything it needs to be trimmed. I'm planning on spending most of my time this just fixing the scene order. And just concentrating on Mari's thought process in each sequel/reaction scene. The story is just so done. I've changed it so much by adding, but the essence of the thing is still the same from NaNo 2012. I feel the same about moving on.
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
SheRaconteurs Yeah I bet we are in EXACTLY the same place where we have these enormous manuscripts and now all that is left is just to actually turn it into a book which is the really scary part! I think I am going to start editing using the 1000 words = 1 hr of work rule like during camp. Please let me know if you are going to do the same!
@SheRaconteurs
9 жыл бұрын
That sounds great! I'm starting with a kind of one page at a time in one section at a time thing. Taking out all the old plot points and characters.
@BittenByBookLust
9 жыл бұрын
2500 words for 5k is still awesome. I want to watch Interstellar. That is an exciting moment, when you are ready to move onto the next stage. I am exploring minor characters at the moment, figuring out how they play part in the larger spectrum of events. I look forward to seeing how this months turns out for you - are there any sub stories that you would want to go with?
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
BittenByBookLust I think that I have plenty of material for my main book (which will probably be pretty chunky :P) and then I also probably have enough story and background info for a companion novella or bind-up as well. I could really do any number of sub stories because I find it so easy to expand my minor characters into bigger and bigger stories. As soon as you ask, "Where did they come from? What were their parents like?" they become too important to ignore.
@goodkiller93
9 жыл бұрын
That must be an interesting place to be in. One option would be to put this novel aside for the time being and work on a new story for the rest of NaNoWriMo. Alternatively, if you aren't ready just yet, you could do as Esther said and begin editing this month. November has this magic about it that make all writing pursuits easier, so utilizing this for editing might be more beneficial. I don't think you should keep writing more background information for The Sun Went Red at this point, as long as all of the important scenes are there. It really sounds like you know your characters and story intimately, and writing more could make the editing process harder Also, we should do some sort of NaNoEdMo in December. Seven Days 'til Sundown really needs to be edited at this point, and I'm really wanting to publish this book in March or April, so some sort of editing challenge would be really helpful! Of course, I understand if you're wanting to take a break after November as well. As for publishing, are you still thinking about going down the self-publishing route, or were you hoping for more traditional publication? I really think you have a shot at traditional, but there is something liberating about self-publishing that draws me more in than working with a big company (I even have some small quarrels about small publishers, but that's a whole separate topic). I guess I just have a lot I want to talk with you about :D
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
INFP Jaret I totally feel more inspired to pursue my writing projects during November, so you are right! I should use the rest of this month to start editing and us that NaNo spirit and support! I am going to do what scares me and start editing! I'll use the 1hr = 1000 words rule. Oh man, I need all the help I can get so yeah we should totally do a NaNoEdMo! What would that look like? You are so stellar for wanting to publish #7Days so freaking soon! Good for you! I am 95% sure I want to self-publish. I really like the control and how I can do it all on my own time and be really picky and obsessive about it (hey - that's kind of my thing). That last 5% is just that little stupid dream in the back of my head of being traditionally published and making it big one day. I am sort of getting a big head with all of the praise from you guys! :P Was your contract with Immortal Ink only for ES or are they going to pick up your future books, too? Okay, so... Since you have edited a book before you gotta tell me everything you know about editing. I need to know like the basics, nitty-gritty. Do you have your first draft open in a window and then beside it a new document that you start re-writing that scene in or do you edit in your first draft? I am so clueless. Tell me if this is a good plan to start on edits... Brush up on my outline and character map to make sure that everything is up to date. Read-through, cutting out passages that I know are irrelevant/horrible, taking notes on inconsistencies, what to especially work on, etc. Rearrange the MS so that it is in order with my outline so that all of the same versions of scenes I have written are next to each other (making rewriting easier). THEN start taking it one step at a time and start rewriting, polishing, fixing. Bleh, do you see why I am afraid to do all of this?
@goodkiller93
9 жыл бұрын
I find myself more drawn to self-publishing myself... It's even gotten to the point where I really couldn't care less if my book is ever in bookstores, especially consider physical books are falling by the wayside. Pretty sure when I finally buy an e-reader, I'll even stop buying physical books myself so that I can better support indie authors. With my current publisher, I only have a contract for Eating Sarah, and that only lasts for three years. Afterward, all rights for the book return to me, which was something extremely important. I don't really know if I'm going to publish anymore with them as I don't really see all that many benefits over doing it all myself. I know some amazing artists that would happily design covers for me (such as my sister who designed the cover for the prequel novella), and I think I'm tech-savvy enough that I should be able to learn proper formatting. As for marketing, most of that falls on my shoulders anyway, and I'd rather spend my time working on my next story and using that to market my previous books. As for editing itself, most of the content edits were done solely on my own, and the rest was more focused on the actual telling of the story. I did learn a lot while working with their editors, a lot of which I wouldn't have known without them. I do, however, dislike how long the book took to actually be released. I'd rather be able to release it as soon as its ready, and spend less time in the editing trenches. Sure, the book ultimately might have one or two more errors without the professional editors, but it might be the difference between publishing one book or publishing two. I learned a lot from them, and I think I am pretty equipped to handle the minutia of editing myself. This might be arrogance, but oh well :) As for my editing advice, I should really make a video on this, but I'll share what worked for me here. There's a lot that I do that is generally different from what others do, so take all of this with a handful of salt. I know a lot of people believe in taking time off after writing the book, but I haven't found that to be at all helpful. I think this is more for people that grow too close to their stories, but I'm pretty critical right off the bat, and I don't really shy away from things that need to be fixed. Essentially, I print the book out and read it, front to back, very quickly. I take the occasional note here or there, but I mainly do this to get a feel for how the book works as a whole. Once this is done, I start editing from the beginning. I fix awkward lines and paragraphs, making the writing flow better, elaborating on things that were skimmed over in the first draft, and cutting parts that don't work. Occasionally, I'll cut an entire section and rewrite it completely, but I usually just rewrite sentences as I go. I find it important to treat editing as I do NaNo. Essentially, once I've edited a line and moved past it, I do not go back to read it over until the next round of edits. I used to edit a chapter repeatedly until it was near final-draft quality, but it just makes the latter stuff you still need to edit appear worse. This leads me to procrastinating and hating my story, which is something you definitely don't need in a stage that is hard enough. Eventually, you'll come to a part of the story that isn't working. This is where I try to figure out what's wrong with the scene and brainstorm ways I can fix it. I then remove the section that isn't working and rewrite it. One thing that I don't believe in is making a change to the book that is going to result in needing to completely rewrite most of the book. I'm talking those changes that render the first draft null-and-void, and ultimately change the story completely. While the end story might be better, it ends up as something that I hadn't initially been intending to write. At this point, you are essentially writing a different book, and you risk falling into a state of endless rewrites, constantly telling a different story with the same characters. Now I'm all for killing useless characters, or revamping large chunks of the novel, but the overall story should remain the same. If you need to completely rewrite most of the novel, treat it as a separate book. I don't find that it does me any good. Eventually, I'll reach the end of the book. Once this is done, I go back to the beginning and re-edit the entire thing. This edit generally takes less time than the last one, and each subsequent edit takes less and less time. Once you reach a point where you are only tweaking tiny things in the story, and the grammar is up to par, I stop editing. I have personally never used beta readers to edit a book before. I don't know if they are all that helpful to myself as I generally know what I want my story to be. If people don't like that story, then so be it. I'll have saved enough time that I can work on the next book, and it might be something they like more. Of course, if you think there is something flawed with the book that you can't locate, a beta reader could help. With self-publishing, the number one suggestion I've seen is to publish often, at least if trying to make it a career is important. In order to do this, I think I'll need to primarily work alone.
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
INFP Jaret Well I am not *glad* to hear that traditional publishing is not that much better than self, because obviously you had to muck through it and figure it all out for yourself - but it is good to know that I won't be missing out on that much. I would like to know about your experience with releasing your novella on wattpad as I don't have any experience with that site at all. I have been considering trying to release free content to create "buzz" about TSWR such as a short story or novella that would be a companion to the novel. I also am thinking seriously about creating an author website, presence, etc. What do you think? I like that tip about editing a section once and then moving on. I know I could spend WAY too much time just on one passage and get burnt out. Thanks for the editing tips. That was helpful. I still think that crit partners might be useful, but I might just end up paying for an editor. I don't know - that seems far off.
@goodkiller93
9 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I might give critique groups a go this time around. As for Wattpad, I didn't really find it to be much use, save for the deadlines every half week. Other than that, it's probably best to just release your novella on Amazon for free OR for a very low price. The readers who use Wattpad are generally ones that are there for free books, so the audience doesn't generally transfer over. Additionally, it's basically a KZitem of writing, and I think you'd have better luck focusing on your KZitem videos and promoting books through here, but that's just my two cents.
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
INFP Jaret Hmmm, okay, thanks for your experience.
@noonaemda
9 жыл бұрын
You can be a #NaNoRebel and edit your novel and take advantage of the awesome community, ask people around who had gone through the process of editing a novel. Again, do what feels right for your and the novel. I'll reccomend you Susan Dennard blog. She has tons of writing and revising advice. Here: susandennard.com/links/for-writers/ there is a section for revising a novel that might help you at least to start somewhere. Dont despair and keep up!!! You and your story deserves it!
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
Esther Marie Díaz Andújar Wow! What an incredibly organized and stellar resource, thank you! I will totally be spending a lot of time with Susan now, lol! Thank you mucho!
@noonaemda
9 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!!! Dont hesitate and ask anything on the forums or at her on twitter. She is super friendly and helpful!!!
@TamaraWoods
9 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you have no more to say on this novel. Some puerile do use NaNo to edit a previous manuscript. Or you could take a minute character and write a sequel of sorts. My opinion is to do the thing that is scaring you. Edit the thing. Don't let fear hold you back. Good luck!
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
Tamara Woods You are so right!!! New motto: Do what scares you! Thank you for being inspiring :D
@TamaraWoods
9 жыл бұрын
Caitlin Plavala Awww...you're welcome! I think you were going there anyway. Maybe you needed some encouragement? Like jumping out of a plane, sometimes you need a little push. (I would need a HUGE push for that.)
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
Tamara Woods I feel like someone has pushed me out of a plane right about now!
@TamaraWoods
9 жыл бұрын
Caitlin Plavala LOL! ::hugs:: You're going to be fine! I've hated editing in the past. I've been trying to think of editing as crafting my story. Like someone chiseling a piece of wood into a piece of art. First she makes big ole chops to make a sort shape (first draft) and then she chisels out the actual shape and makes it beautiful. (But it's easier to think of that, when I haven't gotten there yet. lol.)
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
Tamara Woods "Big ole chops" lol. I like your analogy!
@LadyElizabeth24
9 жыл бұрын
I think you should stop writing that story and get a fresh start. No matter if you don't reach the 50K this month but I do believe that if you start editing in December or even January, why? I just saw a very informative video from M.Kirin here on Yt. He advide authors to give themself some distance between them, the writing and editing because if you are too involve it may cloud your judgement when you have to cut out something. Try to take a day or two to find a new story, whatever that is, and work on that before editing. If you want to go check the video I saw here is the link to his videos :) kzitem.infovideos The one I mentioned it's the last one "How to resist the urge to edit". He talks about his own way of doing it and it helps, plus he is really fun to watch!
@thesunwentred
9 жыл бұрын
Lady Elizabeth That is a great resource thanks for the link!
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