During this time, you don’t kill the messenger, you just don’t. If you do, the attackers pretty much take all fighting with dignity off the table. And could you reasonably expect them not to? Messengers have always been sent in peace and executing them has always been “too far” so when you go too far first you would be an idiot if you didn’t expect the attacker to do the same. Truly terrible and brutal situation
@Cynthiabecker24
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the never ending history lessons. I'm always lead to dig deeper after these uploads. Cheers🇦🇺
@bonnieprincecharlie6248
10 ай бұрын
This was a very brutal massacre, I read a book about Napoleons expedition to Egypt it was very interesting. It mentioned that part of the reason for the great violence and brutality was that many of the men in the front lines were given large amounts of alcohol to clam their nerves as they were most likely to be killed when charging the defenses. The main reason for Napoleon ordering the Turks to be massacred is that he knew that if he let them go most would likely join the Ottoman army at Acre. This was the main city he was trying to take in this campaign as it was a very strategically important stronghold and he did not want to give the defenders any more manpower. It was a difficult decison for him to make as a commander and it was a horrible slaughter. The sacking of cities like what occured at Jaffa was not just limited to French armies of the time. Another example is during the Peninsular Campaign in Spain the British took a Spanish city that was being held by the French, and when they entered the city British troops began to rape and slaughter the Spanish inhabitants killing hundreds of them, despite Spain being an ally of Britain at the time, before the Duke of Wellington could get his men under control.
@daveyjones8969
10 ай бұрын
How do you know it was a difficult decision? If he wrote about it, fair enough, but it could just be cold hearted pragmatism. Canadian soldiers in WWII often did the same: take no prisoners to save food for your men.
@bonnieprincecharlie6248
10 ай бұрын
@@daveyjones8969 well there’s no way to know for sure, but in the book it said Napoleon was very torn on what to do and reluctantly decided to have the prisoners put to death.
@somerandomdudethatyoudontknow
10 ай бұрын
I want to see disturban’s coverage of the siege of Badajoz, it was so terrible that Wellington cried during the aftermath. It’s crazy Hell, the peninsular wars is basically Napoleon’s vietnam
@KaoTicNiko
9 ай бұрын
colonization, conquest, or just traveling, it really makes you think how common was murder in the olden times
@daveyjones8969
9 ай бұрын
@@KaoTicNiko My anthro teacher in high school posed an interesting question: you meet a total stranger out in the woods. You don't know how to communicate, so a gesture of peace for you could be a show of hostility to a different culture. How do you even communicate you're no threat? It's interesting, and even ties into the Trek episode "Darmok", where the language is so obscure the computer translators don't work. *Excellent episode btw, highly recommend if you haven't seen.
@dylandoesthingssometimes2045
10 ай бұрын
The jaffa massacre is what happens every time I notice the jaffa cakes in the cupboard that mum bought
@MedicMain9
10 ай бұрын
lmao
@lawgeek24
10 ай бұрын
I am a huge admirer of your high quality and well researched videos. If I could afford it, I would be donating to Patreon as well. You are making each week a little better with your vids.
@hundkebab2433
10 ай бұрын
empty yo pockets 🔪
@seandelap8587
10 ай бұрын
You can admire someone as a general without admiring them as a person and Napoleon is one of those people
@smileymalaise
10 ай бұрын
"if you ignore all that genocide stuff, Hitler was kinda okay." --seandelap8587
@shanechavarria9532
10 ай бұрын
It really depends on the person
@PaulRudd1941
10 ай бұрын
Who says I admire any Generals either?
@chiapets2594
10 ай бұрын
No u can't
@Jakob_The_Stoic_Norseman
10 ай бұрын
Imagine admirin' a Frenchmen...
@sophiaisabelle01
10 ай бұрын
We appreciate your dedication and hard work. You'll always have our support no matter what.
@TheRealForgetfulElephant
9 ай бұрын
As brutal as the massacre of Jaffa was, it really was a tactical move. Not to mention it was the military doctrine of the time. Line formation tactics was all about numbers and discipline. You can’t waste men on guard duty so you either have to kill the prisoners or sacrifice a good portion of men to watch them/send them back to prison facilities. I’m surprised that this is the massacre you chose when he was far more unnecessarily brutal in Spain. The Jaffa massacre is actually an understandable move.
@TheRealForgetfulElephant
9 ай бұрын
Not to mention his massacres of FRENCH CIVILIANS in Toulon. He literally lined people up in thick groups and fired cannons into the groups. This was before he was a general so he was just following the commanders orders.
@VenturaHighwayman
7 ай бұрын
@@TheRealForgetfulElephant during the French Revolution? Everyone was killing each other bruh
@TheRealForgetfulElephant
7 ай бұрын
@@VenturaHighwaymana bit of a oversimplification dont you think?
@zach7193
10 ай бұрын
This is more brutal than the sieges of Ciudad Rodrigo and Badajoz in 1812.
@Tisbutascratch930
10 ай бұрын
I’d appreciate you doing a video on The Massacre of Verden Great content as always!
@roberthiltz2741
10 ай бұрын
Those last words of your video were very powerful, if only a few ancient conquerors could have heard them before the atrocities
@sureokk
10 ай бұрын
Vae victis
@asha4736
10 ай бұрын
Or current heads of states.
@VenturaHighwayman
7 ай бұрын
I’d rather die at sea surrounded by sailors by a cannon than cold and alone in a foxhole by a drone
@ronaldneal387
10 ай бұрын
Another great video this was not in the textbooks when was in school. Keep up the good work
@cjthebeesknees
10 ай бұрын
French take a backseat to British colonialism but make no mistake, they were just as heavy handed and ruthless as their counterparts. (I know this particular topic isn’t about colonialism but my point stands, for context)
@montolonzo3836
10 ай бұрын
oh yea? wanna hear waht the turks did to the greeks, serbs, wallachians.... ?
@PaulRudd1941
10 ай бұрын
@@montolonzo3836 I bet there's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on in your "brain", should you desire to call it as such. Guess what genius, the Turks were a colonialist force just like the rest of Europe. Even when they were (get this) call the sick man of Europe. What's up with the whataboutism buddy? Are you Armenian or something?
@coopdam3721
10 ай бұрын
Ottomans were bad aswell
@omar-hy3th
10 ай бұрын
I would say French were worse
@coopdam3721
10 ай бұрын
@@omar-hy3th ottomans we’re just as aggressive at the time. The atrocities that were said in the video were common place in the time. Anyone knows in ottoman history they put down rebellions in horrific ways. Along with the slave trade idk how you can say French were worse like neither were morally good.
@YourMissingEyeBrow
10 ай бұрын
There are no rules in war if one side chooses to disregard them. Why play chess with a delinquent ?
@iloveyoushima
10 ай бұрын
I agree. The Ottomans were not victims.
@TheScaryTruthCatalyst
9 ай бұрын
Napoleon was a proper little bastard, wasn't he?
@adamczerczak7746
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. If you could, can you please do videos on the Volhynia Massacre and another crazed dictator like Francisco Nguema or Rafael Trujillo?
@jamesshipley9164
10 ай бұрын
"Murder", "decapitation", .... "S.A." So "sexual assault", a legal term and already a softer more impersonal description than "rape" is now itself unmentionable. I'm sure it's to resist some youtube algorithm but using euphemisms to soften terms for brutal crimes dehumanizes the victims and I hate this trend.
@disturbansbrother6493
10 ай бұрын
We could mention the r word and lose revenue and reach, not mention that the assaults were committed or use a euphemism that covers all manner of sexual assault not just rape. It's frustrating but we play by the rules of YT
@Ilovecoffee8
8 ай бұрын
Lmao
@Higgy867
10 ай бұрын
Not sure why all my favorite KZitemrs decided to cover Napoleon this month but I ain't complaining.
@kimashitawa8113
10 ай бұрын
a movie about him was released recently
@Higgy867
10 ай бұрын
@@kimashitawa8113 Was the movie any good?
@kimashitawa8113
10 ай бұрын
@@Higgy867 idk, haven't seen it. Heard some negative things about it though. Mainly that it sucks from a historical perspective.
@pythonkill3r
10 ай бұрын
@@Higgy867Nah I wouldn't recommend it. Not only for not being historically accurate because you can make a great historical movie without being spot on 100%, but it's just how the film is presented. Rather than covering his biography and rise to power and why he was so influential he's presented as an uncharismatic general who has some skill. It's more of a rom-com. It lacks focus. I don't think it's appealing to historical buffs and too boring for normal audiences.
@JMS-to3xb
10 ай бұрын
@pythonkill3r Yeah I was reading today that they portrayed him as a spoiled brat who always runs to Josephine when he doesn't get what he wants in the film. Doesn't surprise me although I will probably still watch it when it is free.
@simplyspecial69
8 ай бұрын
highly underrated channel
@nevermindmeijustinjectedaw9988
10 ай бұрын
neither the first nor the last time soldiers of the victorious side took revenge for bad conduct among the enemy. it's why you're drilled in the army to learn these things and to never break the rules of engagement
@MrGiygas1
10 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on the Reign of Terror?
@jfkj1695
10 ай бұрын
Sharpes Bastard. Excellent Series!
@louisxiv736
10 ай бұрын
They shouldn't have killed the messenger, capture them at least but in this way they sealed their own fate.
@chiapets2594
10 ай бұрын
What and waste food and manpower on an enemy watching prisoners in an all out war doesn't work like that
@alastor8091
10 ай бұрын
@@chiapets2594alternatively you can severely piss off the people with gun and nor fucks but why would you wanna do that?
@elloco6544
10 ай бұрын
What about Napoleon's own members of the french army, left dying on the shores of the egyptian coast. Genius in one way, but a narcissist and moron in another.
@haven_lady675
10 ай бұрын
Or dying due to harsh winter weather in an attempt to invade Russia.
@benwinter2420
6 ай бұрын
Napoleon did take Moscow & then mister frost took his army . . even Stevens
@IIOver9000
10 ай бұрын
Dont shoot the messenger, was taken to heart here
@haven_lady675
10 ай бұрын
Its like the wand seller in Harry Potter said: he did great things. TERRIBLE....yes, but great.
@seanfenrir
8 ай бұрын
If we're talking about massacres, you could do an entire mini series about Genghis Khan.
@АндрійХарьо-ж9х
10 күн бұрын
thanx for your job..
@ChrisVillagomez
10 ай бұрын
Every time I hear, "The new Napoleon movie is anti-French", I just think about atrocities like this one and countless others. Napoleon wasn't a hero, he was a brutal autocratic colonizer and imperialist. Napoleon was probably the greatest European conqueror apart from Hitler. Do those critics understand just how many people Napoleon had to kill to place French nobles on the thrones of Spain, Poland, and countless other nations? I admire his military achievements in a way that I can't with Hitler, but they were both evil men. Hitler was just more vile and barbaric while Napoleon was more of a Victorian-era Alexander the Great who would do anything to conquer whatever he saw fit
@JibsWashere
10 ай бұрын
You gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. Napoleon just broke a few extra eggs.
@ProbablyOnLSD6669
10 ай бұрын
Ew, gross way to look at human suffering and human lives
@Liquidsback
10 ай бұрын
@@ProbablyOnLSD6669Sadly a lot of military action requires that. It is why a lot of younger soldiers were the first to land at D-Day.
@christianaguirre4069
10 ай бұрын
@ProbablyOnLSD6669 it's just a metaphor you softie
@LCx829
10 ай бұрын
Can you do leprosy ? My mom worked at a hospital in London that housed positive patients.
@benwinter2420
6 ай бұрын
Did a cool urbex through the abandoned leper compound out at Berrimah on the outskirts of Darwin Oz back in the day , like a small picturesque town . . everything still there but empty due to the fear , they had their own small jail inside , sad in a way
@CalciumOxyde
10 ай бұрын
He reminds me of my friend Kevin lol
@ProbablyOnLSD6669
10 ай бұрын
How rapes and deaths is Kevin responsible for…?
@theuniverse5173
10 ай бұрын
@@ProbablyOnLSD6669just afew not much
@CalciumOxyde
10 ай бұрын
@@ProbablyOnLSD6669 just afew not much
@mattdavison284
9 ай бұрын
Great content IMO 👏
@silvereye717
8 ай бұрын
Hard way to learn you don’t kill the messengers
@donnadunlop7853
9 ай бұрын
Thankyou 🖤 🖤
@timothyclark-sl4il
10 ай бұрын
do you realize you have just stranded one of Europe's greatest leaders in San Dimas?
@kyliebrown22kb
10 ай бұрын
Great movie haha.
@thenewongoam2486
10 ай бұрын
Both Mao and Napoleon are both War Heroes and Blood Thirsty Tyrant.
@alexandrecaldeira69
10 ай бұрын
They don’t belong even remotely in the same category, Napoleon was a brilliant general and this and other things may be a blip in his path but Mao on the other hand was just an awful maniac who’s madness and ineptitude were responsible for MILLIONS of deaths with his brain dead government plans lol
@montolonzo3836
10 ай бұрын
yea wait til u hear what the turks did to the slavs
3 Napoleon videos in a day by 3 of my subscribed guys
@dreamer5687
10 ай бұрын
two for me
@GeorgeLarryMIBU
10 ай бұрын
@@dreamer5687 History Matters?
@teribradshaw-milling3164
10 ай бұрын
Aaah come on! It was the middle east-- he had made them pledge they would night return to fight his army again--they broke their promise and came back. He didn't have enough men to guard them or feed them--or enough ammunition. What was he to do. They would have done the same to them or worse.
@vanillabeam5400
10 ай бұрын
Just in time for the movie that's coming out lol wonder if they'll mention this
@Hallgrenoid
8 ай бұрын
3:07 "narrowly avoiding a sniper that landed a shot through his heart", this doesn't make sense to me. Did you mean that he was hit by a sniper, but the shot narrowly avoided his heart?
@TroysSweetCornhole
10 ай бұрын
Im such a thot for history
@daveyjones8969
10 ай бұрын
Hey man, you should do a longer episode on the Armenian genocide. More people need to know about the event that created the very word "genocide".
@disturbansbrother6493
10 ай бұрын
We do have an 18 minute video on the Armenian genocide in our backlog:)
@daveyjones8969
10 ай бұрын
@@disturbansbrother6493 Whaddya know...I've already seen it! Lol. Too much KZitem...all...blurring...together!
@InquisitorXarius
10 ай бұрын
It is both unfortunate and contemptible that French actions and atrocities they committed in the Crossroads of The Old World are seldom taught in general Historical discourse on the Napoleonic Era.
@montolonzo3836
10 ай бұрын
wait til u hear waht those turks did to the yugoslavians for centuries....
@InquisitorXarius
10 ай бұрын
@@montolonzo3836 One Atrocity Does not Justify another, especially if the victims of one are not the same persons but of the same group who committed another, Justice is universal.
@iloveyoushima
10 ай бұрын
@@InquisitorXariusYou fail to realise that they were all complicit in this though. All Ottoman subjects (who were Muslims) were more than happy about the atrocities committed against non Muslims.
@kidfox3971
9 ай бұрын
@@InquisitorXariusSo I assume you condemn the Muslim massacres of Jews, Armenians, Kurds, Greeks and Balkan Slavs yes?
@alberve
8 ай бұрын
@@InquisitorXariusYet you're only condemning the French.
@jacobhoyle8118
10 ай бұрын
Where is he from? Love the accent.
@iloveyoushima
10 ай бұрын
I can’t stand it. I think he’s from Birmingham.
@danielhooper502
10 ай бұрын
I'm surprise Simon lane wasn't involved
@dylandoesthingssometimes2045
10 ай бұрын
A niche joke
@GhostbustersHQ
10 ай бұрын
There is nothing we can do 🗿
@Deadman1000
9 ай бұрын
I think in retrospect, Napoleon seemed to have a dream like that of Alexander the Great. He wanted the world, no matter the cost and paid for it as they all do.
@jablao
10 ай бұрын
the thumbnail in this one is going through it wtf
@jamiegoss4970
10 ай бұрын
Different times' sadly different ways. Like back in NAM,I kid you not. Thank god for SHARPE.😊
@disturbansbrother6493
10 ай бұрын
Now that's commenting
@arthurlin0702
10 ай бұрын
Hey I'm actually related to Napoleon and i feel ashamed of what my grandfather did I'm devastated
@Gojo-uc7sg
10 ай бұрын
He’s my dad
@christosanagn.9041
10 ай бұрын
@@Gojo-uc7sgOdd. He's my great-grandson.
@Odibio.Skins.
10 ай бұрын
Pathetic ottomans enslaved and killed and put people on pikes for thousands of years. Ottomans would make these french look like amateurs in terms of war crimes.
@alastor8091
10 ай бұрын
I wish I had cool ancestors. They're wasted on you bleeding hearts.
@arthurlin0702
10 ай бұрын
I'm also related to Few royals from the past
@kevinn4038
7 ай бұрын
Its weird that the only people the French can defeat is other Frenchmen. I mean, their national motto is "We surrender". Says a lot.
@_damballah
10 ай бұрын
jaffa calling
@DeariesRobinson
9 ай бұрын
He told em not to fight him again they broke the oath
@ddc2957
9 ай бұрын
“Twisted” 🙄🤦🏻♂️
@reefermadnezz9819
10 ай бұрын
frost bitten hand at 7.40,,,pretty positive they didnt get frost bite on this one
@incubustimelord5947
10 ай бұрын
My favorite conquerors of all time that I like to read about in history are Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte and Grigori Rasputin.
@incubustimelord5947
10 ай бұрын
@My_pfp_beats_all_dog_breeds. He was to me. He enslaved Russia. If that's not a conqueror, then I don't know what is.
@silvereye717
8 ай бұрын
Highest standard of conduct. For example, if you were spared and promised to never fight the French again, you should honor your promise. As usual, that point was missed.
@Layd36
6 ай бұрын
doesnt mean a massacre needs to be carried out, imagine trying to justify colonizers
@silvereye717
6 ай бұрын
@@Layd36 🤣🖕 does your country need some freedom?
@RustyShackleford19999
10 ай бұрын
🐐🐐🐐
@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow
10 ай бұрын
My name jaffa
@benwinter2420
6 ай бұрын
Jaffa chocolates A treat The wrappers contain Messages Neat
@bryanwalkerCT7729
10 ай бұрын
Have the Crusades ever stopped? Wasn't Jaffa part of Palestinian Nakba? #BeingSaneInInsanePlaces
@AOT_HxH95
10 ай бұрын
You should cover the Volhynian Genocide, the Rzez Wolynska in Polish.
@graveyardgxblin
10 ай бұрын
What silly hats they all wore.
@TheDigitalApple
10 ай бұрын
Seems Napoleon was a fan of The Crusades.
@theuniverse5173
10 ай бұрын
Based?
@mrpants5462
10 ай бұрын
An organized effort to reclaim lands from islamic colonizers
@montolonzo3836
10 ай бұрын
very@@theuniverse5173
@AL_AFGHANI1
10 ай бұрын
@@theuniverse5173nah Muslim conquests we’re
@jbstarkiller4626
10 ай бұрын
@@AL_AFGHANI1Gay
@halfgingeralehalfgin
9 ай бұрын
He was regarded as the Hitler before Hitler.
@Layd36
6 ай бұрын
yet hes not treated like hitler and worshipped as a god by colonizers
@theblackwholemy
9 ай бұрын
Timothée Chalamet should play him, seeing as the controllers love putting him in roles. Joaquin Phoenix is too old.
@LordVlax
10 ай бұрын
Another one promising liberation and giving hell... Even today, we need to know if the people actually want to be liberated...
@blueeyed5074
2 ай бұрын
Don't kill the messager was taken in the mongol sense here :))
@ThisChannelIsAbandoned300
3 ай бұрын
yes
@smoothdan5468
10 ай бұрын
It's okay they were holding back the army anyway.
@lukebrown3658
10 ай бұрын
Napoleon is a weird character people revere him but also hate him. He’s not considered evil but he’s not good either. I mean he is basically French hitler, I think there’s some haunting similarities there.
@KaoTicNiko
9 ай бұрын
there are a list of things he's done that was morally wrong but his actions should be studied in whatever battle/war/conflict he was in because he truly was a good leader at making quick and decisive actions that make sense, from him making decisions on an attacking enemy force and studying the battlefield to racing across France to restoring order after the Austrians took advantage of Napoleon being preoccupied in Spain
@PlaymateTessiNumberOneFan
10 ай бұрын
I just want to say Ridley Scott movie was trash
@Ronnie590
10 ай бұрын
The only time france will ever be anything.
@michaelclassen1800
10 ай бұрын
Jaffa, Kree!
@angeloluna529
10 ай бұрын
3:10 heart or hat?
@finger3306
10 ай бұрын
Hat
@etonianproductions1579
10 ай бұрын
yaffa not jaffa pronouniation
@CAM8689
8 күн бұрын
I dunno turks have major fault here as well
@snoox27
8 ай бұрын
Mmmmmm jaffa yummy
@dingledonk8027
10 ай бұрын
?
@yuritesticoff1141
9 ай бұрын
Napoleon was based
@enjoythedecline3616
10 ай бұрын
I mean tbh. The defenders kinda asked for it. Especially after the war crime of killing the messengers and fighting a 2nd time after they surrendered. Honor was big back then.
@MMail1984
10 ай бұрын
Lol, so a transgression of "honor" means instance r***. MAN, chivalry was f'ing dumb
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