Caedral and Azzapp both have good takes on this. DQ NattyNat and find a new Jungler for Spearshot’s team. The rest of them should not be punished.
@Workplaylister
3 ай бұрын
Azzapp has one good take in a 12 minute video. DF does he mean "Teams can't scrim now"
@nightingale8178
3 ай бұрын
@@Workplaylister because due to Agurin saying its fine to ghost ppl, he forces streamers to not stream. No content, no fun, no scrims
@Workplaylister
3 ай бұрын
@@nightingale8178 That is just wrong. It only matters during the actual match. Scrims are public anyway and ALL OF THEM watch each other's scrims.
@nightingale8178
3 ай бұрын
@@Workplaylister Only as a vod review. Not during actual scrims. They were during a match (draft and set up is still part of it), and chipping in opponents stream breaks the integrity of the game
@titanattackbee1985
3 ай бұрын
caedral had the most brain dead take
@peterhorton9063
3 ай бұрын
Almost every competitive sport has rules against stealing information from the opposing team. Even if that information is public, like baseball signs, football plays etc. On the flipside of that if you are using the same signal for 5 years and they pick up on the signal its fair game. Most sports frown upon spying on other teams practices, lockers rooms etc..... If they had seen a pattern of from their match history that they might play a certain comp that is fair game, but to enter into their opponents private space, in this case their stream to take the information is not typically accepted in most sports. Its like if a sports team sends someone to the opponents practice field to record it, or was recording their locker room or an NBA player walking into the opposing team huddle to see what play they will run. The problem is now you know they used private information taken from their opponenets space to their advantage but how much more information did they take that we don't know about? This is just the one example they got caught on. Set a precident DQ the team, reward the good sportmanship from AZZAP not killing the afk. If the risk of cheating is low and rewarded then you will get more cheating in the future.
@theshmalls
3 ай бұрын
I understand the argument that a chatter could have brought the information, but that's not what happened. He clearly stated he went to the stream and heard it. If he didn't want to utilize the information, he could have not said anything to his team. He clearly wanted to use that information to gain an advantage. It was cheating; he should be DQ'd from the tournament.
@jreverie7018
3 ай бұрын
Very good point
@sirroy6925
3 ай бұрын
But they legit never talked about Quinn and TF as a combo on their streams and there was a chat message that matched the timeline so how was he stream sniping that is just way more unlikely than him reading the one message on his stream even though he said that he did go into the stream that is the worst part about this whole shitshow
@maksjo3322
3 ай бұрын
@@sirroy6925 these ppl are all clueless he didnt cheated and now the baus team is changing the time of the rematch all the time while which the spear team gave them out of pitty, they didnt cheat but they want to show that they will win anyway and cleat their name
@kuzu958
3 ай бұрын
@@maksjo3322 natty was clipped saying “I got insider information” and was in baus stream before the game started. I don’t what he did was that bad as neither team was in draft yet but for gods sakes it seems like he brought it up because he wanted the attention
@dimensiondelta1
3 ай бұрын
@@kuzu958Its like he has testified to a crime he didnt do. Its like saying "i stole all the bikes" when there is proof you were at another location the entire time. He is just stupid, end of story
@kjvmsc
3 ай бұрын
Nat was 1000% ghosting and is lying about the chat BS. his silence when Spear said it was different if he was listening to stream said everything. kid should be out of the tournament
@nuknukisdead
3 ай бұрын
Nah, watch Spearshot's breakdown of what happened. He reviewed team Baus's actual streams from that matches and the stuff Natty said doesn't line up at all with what Baus's team talked about. Natty is just a dumbass and tried to play up his "insider information" when it was just some random chatter making predictions. If anything, disqualify Natty anyways, not for cheating, but for saying stupid stuff that ruins the overall morale of the tournament and creates unnecessary drama. Same idea with them disqualifying yamato for being toxic. Let people know that reckless stupidity has consequences.
@Naife01
3 ай бұрын
Bro this is so shit like legit the "nidalee karma" clip if you watch the entire thing the guy says "nearly karma" cause brohan hovers cho'gath after asking if he should pick karma. The nattylol ghosting allegations was him reading a chat message in his own chat and then jokingly saying that he streamsniped bruh and people don't watch clips or gather any information about it they just auto think team spearshot cheated, another point making it obvious that it wasn't "ghosting" is just by checking the vods accurate timers where thebaus team wasn't even talking about quinn tf like ICANT with this dumb fucking drama and it's giving a bad reputation towards team spearshot and definitely towards Natty even though it was a literal joke and no one cheated...
@fungling7982
3 ай бұрын
the nidalee karma thing was very coincidental but you're probably right
@ZeusBLoC
3 ай бұрын
I love how the only people who are mad about the “cheating” are the fans
@JohnDoe-tx1sj
3 ай бұрын
Clown tournament honestly
@fallengamer659
3 ай бұрын
My take here watching the vod of all teams, I'd rather dq that one guy natty or something, because of unsportsmanlike and cheating unlike him i saw azzap pausing for the enemy velkoz afk so he didn't hook. But overall I saw the post of NNO there would be a remake match but there are 4 rules,and among them is 1st spearshot team is leading 1-0 , rengar will be perma banned thr series
@churchobama2781
3 ай бұрын
Nemesis’s conclusion is so fitting, bro just left it at ya’ll changed.
@JosephAlegre-c2t
3 ай бұрын
Mans says a conclusion should be reached in 10 minutes. However, cannot come with a solution himself
@Neem
3 ай бұрын
He doesn't need to give one, his saying that it isn't as deep as they're making it out to be and can be resolved quickly.
@nudul842
3 ай бұрын
the reason WHY he didn't give a solution because it's so obvious it could be reached in 10 minutes. did we not watch the same video???
@JosephAlegre-c2t
3 ай бұрын
@@nudul842 he never gave a solution... He pointed out how it can go either way
@adamdarley6523
3 ай бұрын
Guarantee you that if nemesis was in the position baus's team was he would be doing the same exact thing. but i agree he cant even come up with a conclusion himself lol. moral of the story dont be a dumbass on stream dude gained an advantage he never should of had
@Neem
3 ай бұрын
@@adamdarley6523 He did come to a conclusion, either remake or disqualify, to him that was it.
@jreverie7018
3 ай бұрын
Rematch make it a best of 5 so if Spearshots team is the best and they deserve to go through it will happen. If they lose then be mad at Natty for cheating.
@kentuckyfriedsocks4384
3 ай бұрын
theres a new drama every day, it feels hard to keep caring
@joe3980
3 ай бұрын
What is it with the rengar thing why they ban it for their team?
@CrittingOut
3 ай бұрын
The NNO tournament mismanagement will be daily
@fruitsquisher
3 ай бұрын
edging will be daily
@leaguetoday3710
3 ай бұрын
For sure 😂😂
@b4rn45thp0l
3 ай бұрын
Nemesis is your typical League addict tho, if it's not about balance patch for high elo he doesn't care, even if it's about the same tournament he is playing in xd that's sad
@Altimit1417
3 ай бұрын
Natty should refund Midbeast % of his plane ticket.
@plebeianboss
3 ай бұрын
Free my boy natty from the allegations because twitter snowflakes made a big deal about a joke!!
@domkofi3621
3 ай бұрын
The streamers should be aware that basically everthing they share on stream is public information the responsibility is on them to keep certain thinks secret if they don’t want to make it public for example muting or writing in a private chat
@andrescontrerasvargas5865
3 ай бұрын
It was a scrim? Or the tournament already started?
@PowerSpike
3 ай бұрын
tournament has already started and this was happened in a tournament match
@EqueezHQ
3 ай бұрын
Just pay for midbeasts tickets? easiest solution
@simhanssens7331
3 ай бұрын
League players have to grow up... Just take the L and get out of it. Not like it's a really big tournament. Atleast have the guts to say yes I cheated, sorry for it We'll get out of the tournament. Case closed everybody friends again...
@probablyanotherfun
3 ай бұрын
such a childish way to cheat..its not a big deal it was so unnececary DQ or a rematch is probably a good idea for this case
@NotBojosos
3 ай бұрын
For fun tournament turning into a clown show
@5435joker
3 ай бұрын
You get 1k for each 😂😂😂 wtf
@Yeaahomieee
3 ай бұрын
Agurin biggest clown
@shadowd9810
3 ай бұрын
To cheat you need to gain an unfair advantage the knowledge they got from (most likely accidentally) opening baus' stream for half a second was utterly useless the same amount of knowledge if not more got given just by chatters, its inevitable that some draft information gets leaked from one stream to the other they also can get the same info by watching a clip on twitter for example because they don't know whats on it or someone DMing them that and they just read it since they don't know what it is its impossible to prevent this and punishing for something that's simply useless is like seeing a football rule break the day after the match happened with the rule break not influencing the outcome of the match at all and still doing a rematch or DQing the player also afaik "ghosting" (if u can even classify hearing 1 second of VC before the games have even started as ghosting) wasn't even in the ruleset
@lebgdeco
3 ай бұрын
Remake with 0-1 for spear team ? THAT4S a FUKIN JOKE hahaahh , they cheat , and they did not get punished , they get an advantages in the remake , DAFUK is this XD This tournament is a joke , BYE
@misos1393
3 ай бұрын
One thing i think a lot of people are forgetting to mention is that cheating is pervasive in competition. Almost all competitions have cheating in it, they just needed to hide it better.
@courtjesster578
3 ай бұрын
yep I bet most of the teams are doing it. Just better at hiding it.
@eduardofernandes1806
3 ай бұрын
You shouldn't cheat even if you don't get caught doing so because it is immoral. You shouldn't avoid cheating due to fear of punishment, you should avoid cheating because it is wrong. Even if its true that cheating is common in most competitions (idk about that), that does not make cheating right
@misos1393
3 ай бұрын
@@eduardofernandes1806 hey , look up the match fixing and arrests for fixing the world cup, happens every single year.... take a look at how all fighting competitions are fixed by the casino's and betting lines.... you look at the professional gamers caught cheating in lan tournaments ON STAGE... you crazy if you don't think people are cheating.
@mutandaeffiong2685
3 ай бұрын
Kind of take from someone workaholic no friends.
@mathew5968
3 ай бұрын
@@eduardofernandes1806 finally someone with a moral compass and a good take
@SurfingJakeOwns
3 ай бұрын
🤣
@idk6465
3 ай бұрын
Streamers who want to play in competitive matches needs to have 2 min delay no questions, if you don't do that, you get kicked out. Also if the streamer wants to talk to someone about the match beforehand on stream, they have to mute themselves. That's it. Otherwise you get booted.
@niklasabc7149
3 ай бұрын
Bro the rules clearly stated the amount of delay allowed. And it wouldnt matter since this was ghosting in the 15 min break when the teams discussed their tactics.
@SolidPRAWN
3 ай бұрын
@@niklasabc7149 yeah and it’s the streamers own fucking fault for not muting themselves. Fair game if they’re gonna yap about picks on a public forum…
@yGKeKe
3 ай бұрын
@@SolidPRAWN Nice victim blaming.
@seekadv8066
3 ай бұрын
@@SolidPRAWN how about not opening the stream of someone you’re currently playing against? Why does he need to open their stream and see what they’re talking about?
@Bojjster
3 ай бұрын
Think about the audience, they are streamers how fun is it to watch a blank screen for 20 min?
@sharky9056
3 ай бұрын
Dq the entire team
@demongurrl13
3 ай бұрын
This tournament is a joke. Toxic player? Ban him, we can't have that. Cheater? Ehhh, it's not that big of a deal. Like what?
@Tom3kkk
3 ай бұрын
just like riot and most other companies these days lmao say naughty word: permaban + hitman sent irl guy cheating and scripting: 1 day ban after he ruins 500 ranked games (no LP given to people who lost to him) and he just goes on an alt
@Viktor_Von_Doom
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, Agurin is a clown, I've been saying it
@st-vu8ki
3 ай бұрын
XD
@tab418
3 ай бұрын
@@Tom3kkka bit off topic i think but you got a point still
@SolidPRAWN
3 ай бұрын
They’re all streaming with 3 min delays… how on earth is it cheating if all the streamers are literally streaming the games…….?????? Are you dense????
@Kleinstrateratte
3 ай бұрын
He says you can solve the problem in 10 minutes but no solution provided. Ghosting is cheating, admiting to it just proves it you did it and you should get dq directly. Accepting Ghosting and blaming on streamers just makes the tournament a joke..
@svenvanveenschool
3 ай бұрын
To be clear he didnt say you could SOLVE the problem in 10 minutes. He said you could reach a conclusion in 10 minutes. That conclusion is what I saw as coming to a conclusion about was it wrong what they did or not. If you got the conclusion you can choose a fitting punishment. He's just saying that they are making it bigger and making it take more time than it should. Thats how I took this.
@peterhorton9063
3 ай бұрын
Set a precident DQ the team, reward the good sportmanship from AZZAP not killing the afk. If the risk of cheating is low and rewarded then you will get more cheating in the future. You don't know how much more information they took from the team.
@Zharghar08
3 ай бұрын
He doesn't have to give a solution, that's not his job. He's just pointing out how simple of a situation it really is. Did the player do something against the rules? If yes, determine punishment. If no, make a statement that nothing bad was done and move on. There's no reason this issue should have been stretched out over multiple days. If it is determined that a punishment is needed, it doesn't take whole days to come up with one.
@TypowyKubini
3 ай бұрын
Feels like corporate processing. Getting through 20 pairs of eyes only to reach another stalemate
@jokingpredator8383
3 ай бұрын
But the tournament never was more than a joke right? It’s a for fun tournament. It’s only purpose is to produce content. This situation is pure gold for the tournament
@kriskitt
3 ай бұрын
Caedrel understanding the basics of the philosophy of modern law is refreshing.
@mattgehringer8554
3 ай бұрын
For real, I don’t understand some of the other brain dead takes. The dude admitted to it lol he should be banned plain and simple
@7gonzalopuertas
3 ай бұрын
I can explain to you the other takes: uh uh ah ah me play Pantheon/Rengar/Yasuo , me like bananas 🍌🐒
@Knicks176
3 ай бұрын
Caedrel top 5 lawyer moments
@thisdanieI
3 ай бұрын
Yes he done tho?
@riceislife6487
3 ай бұрын
@@7gonzalopuertas why ad homonym
@riv8472
3 ай бұрын
I love the volume levels in this video with Caedrel sounding like hes whispering and Nemesis ear rapping me
@PowerSpike
3 ай бұрын
I really really sorry for this low volume issue in the video and I'll surely fix it in my future videos. Thank you for pointing this out and have a nice day to you!
@mateator25
3 ай бұрын
I let my brain cook and I think the perfect punishment would be a DQ for Naty and MidBeast becomes the new jungler for Spearshot's team. Punishment for the cheater and the cheating team while Midbeast gets to not waste his trip to EU and makes some content 😊
@mmafighterdp3263
3 ай бұрын
Actually funny as fuck idea. But I think Mid East and Spearshots team hate each other so much at this point they can't play together anymore.
@petre1758
3 ай бұрын
@@mmafighterdp3263 redemption ark speedrun
@questionmark4877
3 ай бұрын
"I let my brain cook" I love it
@mateator25
3 ай бұрын
The cheating will be daily.
@leaguetoday3710
3 ай бұрын
💀💀💀
@honeymelon4562
3 ай бұрын
I feel like azzap had the most reasonable take on it in letting spearshots team progress but while dqing the singular player who cheated
@okenough123
3 ай бұрын
no because if he did cheat then they are advancing thanks to an unfair advantage they had
@tab418
3 ай бұрын
It would make sense to put them in lower section like in clash so they would need to win somebody who lost before just to come back, otherwise it’s just unfair, possibly cheating lead them to win
@lukash1631
3 ай бұрын
@@okenough123the ghosting gave them no advantage. They lost the round against Champions that weren't even the ghosted picks. So the only thing here that needs correcting is the behaviour of the one who attempted to gain an advantage. At best through a DQ
@salmon2518
3 ай бұрын
@@lukash1631 what they won the game with nocturne wdym
@robellio6190
3 ай бұрын
@@lukash1631the problem is if he cheated once we dont know if he did it before or not, therefore it doesnt matter what the outcome was, as the cheating puts ALL games into question
@sogaria3561
3 ай бұрын
Ban toxic behaviour but questioning if cheating should be punished
@urmum9971
3 ай бұрын
Average league players
@Harlem6J
3 ай бұрын
these comments are crazy running with allegations. i barely watch or know any league streamers however it took me 15minutes watching the vods to realise there is no way natty was cheating. also for the 4 second clip of nidalee karma if u watch the full vod he actually says nearly karma talking to brohan cus he jokingly picked chogath. not ONCE did they mention exactly what the other team wanted. asking for a rematch after losing fairly is crazy.. cant even take a loss without grasping at straws.
@EzFightGG
3 ай бұрын
It's one thing if a stupid chatter is being a rat and trying to cheat to help his streamer, and the streamer happens to read it and be influenced by it... and then to actively go into a streamers livestream, hear their conversation, and then run back to your team like a rat to tell them what he heard. Completely different.
@titan2540
3 ай бұрын
and this is why any tournament this big should have clearly defined rules so everyone is clear on what isnt allowed and what the punishments are.
@mikolajbiedrowski1895
3 ай бұрын
Haters be hating. TEAM SPEAR SHOT FOR THE WIIIIN! ANYWHOS!
@deadmanwalking7953
3 ай бұрын
Gigachad Nemesis, locking Naafiri into Alistar/Poppy 😎
@blackwomangamer2637
3 ай бұрын
Cathedral 500 body count
@denka7898
3 ай бұрын
The audio mixing is terrible. I know that it is just from Nemesis stream but at bare minimum editing could just make it louder to Caedrel part. Just shove that shit in Audacity. ty for clipping tho.
@PowerSpike
3 ай бұрын
I'm really sorry and I'll fix this in the future videos. thank you for pointing me this and have a nice day!
@kev4366
3 ай бұрын
did he ghost the draft? - yes is ghosting the draft cheating? - yes should a cheater be DQ'd? - probably yes should a match where both teams where not on a even playing field due to cheating be re-made? - yes Is this a giant issue that people who aren't directly involved with should get super mad about - nah, its still just a LoL tournament
@DenzilRosa
3 ай бұрын
Its obvious that they have cheated in the tournament so my take is they should be disqualified from it
@BlueFlash215
3 ай бұрын
Is this how Riot handles cheaters? They should finally take after Valve how they do it with CS and Dota. Either lifetime ban or ban for x years.
@Malstixy
3 ай бұрын
this is a community tourney held by streamers, has nothing to do with riot directly
@Fr1sen0
3 ай бұрын
Streamers are all guilty of streaming live comms. Lol
@RMadaraPlay
3 ай бұрын
12:03 damn hes actually right
@nikkonreinold9821
3 ай бұрын
i mean at this point it doesn't even matter if he did or did not. you can't say that on stream before the game even if it was meant as a joke cause noone can tell if you are or not. dumb move through and through and hopefully dude learnt at least the lesson to not spout shit like that for no reason
@pontusgustafsson9671
3 ай бұрын
Isnt the normal punishment for cheating just insta disqualification for entire team?
@yhlee1205
3 ай бұрын
Usually if someone cheated. They lose that match and the player(s) get kicked. The ghosting was done before the game and the teammates should have called it out. They didnt so they should count that game as a loss
@meo8258
3 ай бұрын
He cheated during draft which is a big part of the game. It was not before it tf you mean?
@RMadaraPlay
3 ай бұрын
Spermshot did call him out though
@bestofleague5642
3 ай бұрын
this is probably endup a rematch and rengar will be perma banned
@dominiktreffer4074
3 ай бұрын
These people just have too much time
@M1ch43l33
3 ай бұрын
The funniest thing is agurin has cried about being ghosted in soloq on numerous occasions
@justmemer1523
3 ай бұрын
insane puinishment. >streeam snipe >talk abt it live >remake series >repeat endless tourney gg
@jonharwood1639
3 ай бұрын
Nemsis reaction: "ehhhhhhhhh. I dont care."
@hansenlee8388
3 ай бұрын
SPEARSHOT HAS THE BEST TAKES FOR THE LOL SCENE(IM LYING MY ASS OFF)
@Azrezel
3 ай бұрын
just disqualify the guy cheating, let them find a new jungler and stop this cringe ass drama? XD why is this even an argument
@Denimy0
3 ай бұрын
Because drama is something the league community loves. For some reason. Its all about content and views.
@10secondswisdomshorts
3 ай бұрын
NNO is a full drama tournament lol
@dimensiondelta1
3 ай бұрын
Spearshots team know they are innocent, but they gave Baus' team an extra chance to clear their name from upcoming controversy. It is only to be nice they did it. Fyi: They baus' team didnt even talk about Quinn and TF before that game. So natty was trolling. The nidalee/karma is taken out of context, they were talking about who to pick and karma was one of the only picks left (he said nearly karma, when Brohan picked chogath). Its just spearshots team being gentlemen and giving baus another chance, they couldve moved on
@earthywkhorbsiri
3 ай бұрын
_0_
@waldemarmarket778
3 ай бұрын
They are just mad they lost. I know how it feels
@leaguetoday3710
3 ай бұрын
I think natty was not ghosting there intentionally. Like this was happened to nemesis once too. He accidentally opened the agurin's stream while agurin and Dante's game and then he instantly realised and apologised. Maybe it's what happened to natty too. Because maybe he usually watch that stream and so that he accidentally opened it. But information is information. So he leaked what he heard.
@mlidkingdz
3 ай бұрын
yeah he didn't mean to cheat but he told his team he has inside information and started building a strategy around inside information. sure dude
@umu7750
3 ай бұрын
exactly nemesis apologized and didnt say any dumb informations that will give him any unreasonable doubt. so its not the same
@Mikey-uj3dc
3 ай бұрын
Nemesis is such a regard (With a t)
@Neem
3 ай бұрын
Why? He said a conclusion can be reached in 10 minutes, which I agree with. Either play again or dq them.
@withern2956
3 ай бұрын
Why scared to type retard? Btw you’re a retard
@acav5589
3 ай бұрын
I wish Caedral was half as smart as he thinks he is. 1.) Spearshot lined up the videos and showed that Natty was just saying dumb shit and Baus's team wasn't actually discussing the picks he said so there was nothing even there. 2.) Caedral is always going to exaggerate it for clicks but this was overboard even for him. Yeah, sarcastically joking about ghosting is right up there with murder. Not to mention that analogy doesn't hold up even it wasn't as stupid as it is. Midbeast was upset that he traveled all that way and they talked their shit then were completely outclassed by a team they were looking way down upon. Then he's benefitting from a bunch of other streamers who are pressured to comment on it but don't care to actually fully dig into what happened so they make an opinion based on whatever few clips they happen to click. Baus and Nemesis have the only opinions worth respecting on this. Baus - "I don't care, I want to play solo queue". Nemesis - League drama is so lame, it used to not be this way. The internet changed" I feel bad for Baus, Azzapp, Spear, and Brohan because they're all just good dudes who are caught up in nonsense that doesn't matter nearly as much as people want it to.
@jackburton9035
3 ай бұрын
I wish acav5589 was half as smart as he thinks he is
@acav5589
3 ай бұрын
@@jackburton9035saying that with nothing to back it up makes it pretty clear you're just another fanboy needing to defend your streamer. He's totally going to see this and mod you or whatever drives you people
@ayomalsiriwardhana298
3 ай бұрын
Like did they actually stream sniped ?
@chris8543
3 ай бұрын
most likely
@zezanje1
3 ай бұрын
well not really but they didt peek into 2/5 of their next game's champs. even if they didnt want to know that information, their jg just told them that so now they have that in the back of their brains, ofc they wont just counterpick themselves that game, when they could have been counterpicked otheriwse. having info on 2/2 solo laner's picks is kinda big.
@vitanus
3 ай бұрын
yes they did but it affected the games "only" in the draft phase. But cheating is cheating, there shouldnt be made any distinctions. If you cheat and gain yourself an advantage, you should be immiditaly disqualified.
@harish5724
3 ай бұрын
Yes. What they got caught red handed for is ghosting during draft. We don't know what they cheated and didn't get caught for tho.
@gabriel-uc1uz
3 ай бұрын
Why is everyone saying they when it was one player.
@guspus3050
3 ай бұрын
I agree with Nemesis, people are going insane with these crazy takes. Everyone is so mad. Bro eavesdropped, ok.. thats bad but if you dont have a rule about it already theres nothing else to do. Warn the player and move on.
@alexanderatanasov5837
3 ай бұрын
And let the famous streamer who flew from Australia to EU on a short notice just for the tournament feel cheated by the organisers. Good one, bro. Will be totally fine for the prestige of their next tournament :)
@blazeiken2
3 ай бұрын
"internet wasnt nearly as unhinged as it is now" -4chan forever ago XD?
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