I did some more comparisons between a Neve vintage and Stam/AML/Gap73DLX. Check it out here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zq5psJyqfYKIfYo
@vontreherumaiBH
3 жыл бұрын
Neve sounds insane . Wats the interface you used and did you use a hardware compressor? Wats your chain in this one.. please
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
@@vontreherumaiBH hey! Rme ufx gen 1. I'm quite sure I didn't use any HW compr. I tend to go very light on compress on this kind of music. Ride clip gain in PT, vocal rider and a few more things. Also the mic was a 10k Neumann m269c.
@vontreherumaiBH
3 жыл бұрын
@@Christian_svedin thanks for that answer.. sounds really really good , trying to get my rap vocals to sound natural just like that . It’s been hard
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
@@vontreherumaiBH for pop I'd prob compress more. CL1b or comp3a if you're on a budget. Adding a fast comp like an 1176 can also be a good idea. ITB works great though. It's more about skill, production etc to be able to achieve pro results thede days. Good luck!
@vontreherumaiBH
3 жыл бұрын
@@Christian_svedin I just got the comp3a with the 710 uad preamp and Audient id44 .. sounds more alive then my last setup definitely but that neve sound I miss cus I use to have the Steinberg ur-rt2 wit Rupert neve transformers.. thanks
@MrDarkSide111
2 жыл бұрын
So I’ve had this discussion many times and my take is always that single tracks can be very close in comparison. There are a lot of great preamps that can hold up to the 1073 in one on one tracking. However, it is when you record a multitude of tracks using the 1073 that the difference starts to become more and more noticeable.
@SirRodney4Ever
2 жыл бұрын
As with EVERY piece of gear. When you blend all of those tracks and the saturation and all of the juice of the gear is stacked you hear a difference in the end. Like with ssl 4000e series eq’s you get a thin, detailed slick sound when all vocals are mixed with it. But with a Rupert Neve 551 eq’s is a brighter thicker sound not as detailed. Then with the neve 1073 its a character sound.
@BkuBrown
Жыл бұрын
@@SirRodney4Ever what if your only recording vocals? Will only have 3 or so tracks to mix? Hardly stacking
@SirRodney4Ever
Жыл бұрын
@@BkuBrown its still a slight difference. Quality is all. Its on you to decide whether its substantial or not. Im glad I got the best of both worlds. The plugins to water the sound down and then the analog to solidify
@OperationChicago
Жыл бұрын
Yelppppp
@shaft9000
Жыл бұрын
Stacking characteristics is a game of what you are after: "balanced vs pushed one way or another". It starts with aesthetic choice, and runs up against some practical and preferential limits as the iterations progress. For example with electric guitar, before it hits any pedals or amp a player's "sound identity" /timbre (not 'tone'... that's a low-pass filter knob lol, or in fact tonic intervals) starts with these variables, in order of overall impact to how the guitar plays and sounds: - fingerstyle vs pick, and then - single coil/P90 vs humbucker, then - roundwound vs flatwound strings and their action setup Each point is a potential dichotomy of "sharp vs smooth" (attack and overtone propagation) and filtering the partial's response of the string through the pickups i.e. "bright vs dark', 'nasal vs full' and so on. Also the balance (or imbalance) of _transient vs sustain._ TL;DR you can _stack_ the acoustic variables to go further in one timbral direction - or _balance_ them towards a neutral response - well before you've introduced any electronics.
@danielc4361
3 жыл бұрын
The winner here is that voice :)
@adidan9173
3 жыл бұрын
i fully agree !!!!
@garbygarb31
2 жыл бұрын
It's autotuned.
@nathan7265
2 жыл бұрын
The loser is the overdrive.
@truemanamplification9317
Жыл бұрын
Man, singing so great😊😊 I just forgot for what I came here 👏👏👏 great and beautiful
@eddyvilar
10 ай бұрын
Agreed! AND it can’t be overstated that it’s one thing to intentionally get that “color” on certain sources but if EVERYTHING is forced in that box then of course there won’t be any separation. I actually loved the 73 fuzz on his voice. It brought focus but I liked the clarity in the effects of the GTR with the clean pre. So like he stated at the beginning, it’s preference and I completely agree that if your mic already has transformer or tube color then just maybe a 73 might be a little much on saturation end of things. It’s all about pairing the correct sources together. I personally pairing one with the opposite thing. So colored mic with a clean pre or a clean mic with a colored pre for contrast but that’s just me. 😊🙏🏼
@SmithStNicholas
3 жыл бұрын
listening on studio monitors - the 1073 just sounds incredible, sounds so full and warm. wasn't expecting it to be the clear winner for me given the title!
@raymaghami4657
Жыл бұрын
by 1073 do you mean the Neve or the AML 1073? Thanks
@PoppybLuntz
2 ай бұрын
exactly!!! its so crunchy. the other RME sounded really flat.
@tombuur
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. I have downloaded your files and experimented with 1073 plugins on the RME version to make it sound like the Neve version. I intended ordering an AMS 1073, but to my ears I get sufficiently close with plugins, so I changed my mind.
@UKNamaste
3 жыл бұрын
Great voice. Neve wins for me here, smoother with better mids.
@DMKahn
3 жыл бұрын
I much preferred the Neve, it really made the vocal come to the front with its additional harmonic character and bit of brightness. I’m sure you could get close with plugins and the RME but man that thing is ready to go straight from the 1073. Cheers
@berdeauxlaveau6515
8 ай бұрын
SECONDARY HARMONNICS
@milanthedrummer
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this performance was just amazing. I think i was just blown by the song doesn't matter if it's neve or rme.
@Christian_svedin
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 😊
@andrewjmcgee
Жыл бұрын
i agree... doesn't really matter if the songs speaks.
@LarryLobo
3 жыл бұрын
1073 is harmonically rich!
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
The mic used in the test is a Neumann m269c not a sm7b. Just for clarification :)
@WalkOutWorship
7 ай бұрын
1073 stood out to me and was the winner to me! brought a clarity (maybe a touch of hype - not a bad thing) to your voice - btw LOVE your performance of the song! Super talented.
@solitairerecordingstudio7857
2 жыл бұрын
Why is this titled Neve 1073 when it isn't using a Neve 1073? An AML 73 copy is not an AMS/Neve 1073 and should not be compared as one.
@eranddroory9987
3 жыл бұрын
Neve by far... Has its own footprint. Puts your voice in a great space!
@NikolausBrocke
3 жыл бұрын
For me the opposite is true. I can not hear what you are hearing.
@haarisabbasi
3 жыл бұрын
Listening in the car, I say the neve. It sounds more full. Maybe some eq can compensate for it but to be honest the you do lose the character as well of the 1073.
@thedayones4918
2 жыл бұрын
Bet money you/none can’t tell them apart 😆✌🏽
@thelion2078
2 жыл бұрын
My Dt770 says neve!
@EthanRMus
4 ай бұрын
Awesome! Hard to choose. On this particular song I liked the 1073 but I see how other preamps that are more open would also allow for more flexibility overall
@andremusic9924
3 жыл бұрын
Just used the NEVE 1073 it made my vocals stand out while still smooth
@EdThorne
3 жыл бұрын
Great vocal performance. I preferred the Neve style preamp. I see most people in the comments have missed the part where you clearly stated you were using a clone. Oops.
@greigsmithy1119
3 жыл бұрын
I stopped to hear your comments, I was blown away with your voice. Great tune I might give it a try on my gear but in a lower key (smile). I liked the 1073.
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@dpinskey
6 ай бұрын
1073 sounded beautiful with added harmonics More “3D” so to say in comparison to the RME’s pure tone where the vocals seemed more flattened in place. I can see where both would have their advantages and always good to have more tools in your kit to satisfy more tastes. But if you had to choose this is a nice comparison to use to decide which is more desirable or suitable to someone looking to purchase one or the other for their project studio. Thanks and beautifully sung! Cheers!
@MuSiCPrOdUcEr777
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the sound would be closer if on the rme rec get 2 inches or 3 closer to the mic to get a little more warmth, would that be closer in tone perhaps?
@Christian_svedin
2 жыл бұрын
Probably not. The Rme doesn't saturate like the AML so It's better to find that color somewhere else. Saturation plugin etc (y)
@MuSiCPrOdUcEr777
2 жыл бұрын
@@Christian_svedin So closer to mic to get darker fuller tone & sat plug for harmonics. Let's hear if it can be achieved to match neave or clone! Subscribers would it sound the same? Comparison?
@Christian_svedin
2 жыл бұрын
@@MuSiCPrOdUcEr777 I don't think it matters in that sense if you're closer or far away from the mic. I mean ofc you will have greater proximity effect. But how the preamp saturates is more about how hot you drive it and what kind of pre you use. I think you can get fairly close with plugins. Does it matter probably not in the great scheme of things. What matters is how you feel when you track.
@cypressmixgod8335
3 жыл бұрын
1073 has more low mids ..sounds more finished..
@NikolausBrocke
3 жыл бұрын
No.
@shaferbeats4478
3 жыл бұрын
You should have done the shootout with a condenser microphone, of course a brighter preamp is gonna sound better with the super dark sm7b
@thestreetdisciple3955
3 жыл бұрын
So trueee, pair it with something like a Tlm 102 vs a brighter high end mic
@billesposito2112
2 ай бұрын
Are you starting with the Trim or output all the way up because that's how they are made to run at optimal sound. I just found this out . I was setting it wrong with my output set to 50 % . It sounds a 100 times better when used with the output knob all the way up then turn the red gain up slowly till u find your levels and it sounds tremendous. I wasn't impressed myself before either.
@oceansiderecordingstudio
2 жыл бұрын
To me the 1073 clone sounds more glued together and closer to a record. Cheers and just subscribed
@barnyardrecordings
Жыл бұрын
That was my reaction too.
@SonnyGreenwichJr
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm really surprised you enjoy RME more. To my ear, through the KZitem compression etc, the Neve style sounded WAY better. Much more open, even sounded a bit more stereo! Great comparison and just goes to show how people like different things, doesn't mean they're better... Positive vibrations from rainy, wet and chilly Ireland! ☘️☮️🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮️☘️
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening! Nah! The rme is very clean and not to compare with my crane song love haha! But I definitely feel that sometimes you'd want something clean. And my initial reaction was that I couldn't believe how colored the neve was :) I recently tried the GAP 1073 premiere and I think I prefer that to my AML. So down the rabbit hole once again to find the best 1073 clone 🙈
@SonnyGreenwichJr
3 жыл бұрын
@@Christian_svedin Haha! Yeah, there are so many clones at this point who knows what the best one is? That would make a great series though! Thanks! I've smashed all the smashers! 🔥🧨💪🏽🤠👍🏽🧨🔥
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna borrow a pair of original Neves so atleast we'll be able to un-mystify how magic or not!? They are :). Thanks man
@MisterRorschach90
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been interested in music for decades. I’ve been interested in recording for years, with my interest taking an extreme peak over the pandemic. I always knew there was tons of outboard gear and preamps to choose from. I knew outboard gear and studio gear was expensive. I did not know that there is literally more options than anyone could ever possibly use. I wonder though, is there anyone on earth with everything? Like every pre amp, every compressor, every single piece of outboard gear ever made in production quantities? And if there is I need to see what the studio looks like. A freaking star ship from Star Wars or something?
@DonaldMerrit
Жыл бұрын
I don't know that it's possible for anybody to have everything, but some may have everything they need. I am a musician for 35-40 years, imho, the best microphone you have, regardless of how inexpensive it was, is exactly the right one. Great songs have been recorded in bad rooms with whatever gear was available at the time. I submit the band "Boston" as an example. As a contractor in the late 70s, I worked in Tom Scholtz House, the same house that Boston recorded their first Blockbuster album in. The recording space in the basement was anything but acoustically correct. The "almost" L-shaped space, including; a staircase, heating system, water tanks half-finished ceilings etc. was enlightening.
@amaurythewarrior
Жыл бұрын
i have a fireface UC, i know the preamp is good, but i also know expensive preamps don't know magically make something sound good. that being said i think i hear the 1073 bring a certain smoothness in the highs. a something subtle, but brings the sound to a whole new level
@DeviHisgen
Ай бұрын
Wait, did the pricing change that much since 3 years? I bought a Neve 1073LB Preampmodule 500er API for a little over 900 euro.
@symph1744
3 жыл бұрын
Theres a reason why everyone from Michael Jackson to Drake, John Mayer, Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan (just to name a few) have used Neve pres, they add magic to the sauce
@surgicalaudio8829
3 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for the comparison ! And amazing performance ! I think it would be great to do those kind of test in a blind test situation ! I'm sure gear people will hear things differently.. Cheers !
@markwarner2257
4 ай бұрын
I have had a couple of 1073s for a few years and wondered what the fuss was about until I learned I was not setting them up correctly. Once I started driving the output transformers harder the magic was suddenly there and I know why people like them. Its not my only favourite Micpre though. I also have an original Brent Averill Avedis 1122 312a which I also love but my go to for my vocals is the 1073.
@marin4311
3 жыл бұрын
The 1073 adds some bite and color I like.
@mrnorbotron3308
3 жыл бұрын
but you can do this with regular stock plug ins afterwards
@midnitebeats2873
3 жыл бұрын
@MrNorbotron yes you may add these in the box but nothing in the box will compare too the rich harmonics and separation that come from the hardware.
@mrnorbotron3308
3 жыл бұрын
@@midnitebeats2873 I had them all in Studio, Brent Averill, original 1073, AMS Neve ones, you can easily do the EXACTE same effect with plug ins and more beyond.
@midnitebeats2873
3 жыл бұрын
@@mrnorbotron3308 yes you can but at the end of day if you listen thru good converters there’s always a huge difference in space that you just can’t get from 1 and 0s although yes I agree there’s a lot more you can do in the box but as far as 1073 plugins go it’s missing some kind of depth great emulations tho they come close
@mrnorbotron3308
3 жыл бұрын
@@midnitebeats2873 that is a unproven myth. Make a properly blind-test and you will fail.
@2grandbaby854
Ай бұрын
I think some things just work for a reason. I tried to go against the grain and be different but sometimes you have to listen to reason. Finally gave in and bought a 73.
@ejh1281
Жыл бұрын
First off, absolutely beautiful voice/cover/brilliant. Playing is great and effects too. Produced well. Loved it!!! Then, the 1073 clone sounds best to me. Why? Because the 1073 adds a bloom/halo of harmonics and 3D dimension. Plus it glues the mix of guitar and voice together wonderfully. I felt it. That's just not happening for me with the RME. The RME sounds good in that it cuts really well and gives separation from the guitar but in this piece, the RME doesn't have that "magic" and dimension that the 1073 has. For me. It sounds flat and two dimensional. Sounds great don't get me wrong. Better suited to a full mix and more modern uncolored music. Also, to be honest, your rendition sounds much better than Cohen himself. Great job!
@rudolfwormstall1196
3 жыл бұрын
RME sounded smooth and detailed but also more distant and less transient. The 1073 copy was clearly more present in the 2-3 khz region which gave the vocals more "throat". Also the speed at which it responded, along with the harmonic distortion it exhibited, will facilitate the incorporation of the track into a crowded mix. In today's studio world it's still indispensable I'm afraid. Vocals and acoustic guitars should always take this pre into consideration. I would never track electric guitar through it, nobody would. Thank you for the comparison. I was already wondering if such an inexpensive version of the 1073 would fare well enough to beat the RMEs. I was pleasantly surprised.
@moitoieuxnous1648
3 жыл бұрын
that mean nothing show us the sound wave to see the differece
@eds4754
3 жыл бұрын
wait, did you use a splitter cable to send to both preamps? that’s going to fuck with the impedance load on the mic and make it sound wrong to both pre’s. There are some mic splitter boxes that can account for this so you can send one source to two preamps. Worth bearing in mind a Neve’s impedance changes when you go to the higher gain settings (so really it can be 300/600 or 1200 Ohms). All will load the microphone differently and cause it to behave in a different way
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I'm afraid so. A friend pointed out the same thing 🙈 Not scientific by any means so take it for what it is. I'm gonna keep that in mind for future tests. Thanks!
@eds4754
3 жыл бұрын
@@Christian_svedin Unfortunately none of the gear was designed to work in that way and it won’t yield the intended results like this :( if you test again, it would be cool to hear you dial in the Neve to its sweet spot (crank the gain and use the trim and find where it sounds best), and then see how close you get with interface pre’s. I’ve never found interface pre’s that can be driven to various tonal sweet spots in the way you can with good external ones. I love clean preamps for certain things and they’re handy to have (I have the Avid 8pre for that), but they don’t have a range of sounds to use creatively. Also I think people are often surprised how clean Neve etc preamps can be when used at “normal” settings. Neve’s are capable of sounding flat (and kind of boring) if you keep the gain low.
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
@@eds4754 yeah I will definitely keep all this in mind for future tests. One thing is that I couldn't believe how colored the 1073 was first time I used it. Even at low gain settings. So flat and boring compared to? I guess it's all subjective haha! Maybe it's just not my thing 🤣
@adsertheblade
Жыл бұрын
Ah the world has aligned for me today. I have the RME, and was wondering if the 1073 is a good companion for it. Alas, the shops in my area seem to have closed their show rooms so no way to go in and try them out. This is a great way to get an idea. Thanks for taking the time to make this video
@Pridonmusic
Жыл бұрын
Listening in good speakers in the studio, the AML 1073 sound leaps ahead in comparison to the RME for me. The texture of your voice the transitions the placement in the soundfield, it just sounds dope, the RME sounded clean, round (I dont hear thin that some other people describe) but nothing to write home about. I know what you are saying though, I sometimes prefer cleaner preamps with some valve mics like the u47. For the guitar i would go with an api or a valve di and a cab sim, the guitar was fighting your vocals in both examples.
@Guitargasm
2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't tell the difference as I was more interested in your amazing performance of Hallelujah :D
@hethaerto1
Жыл бұрын
RME's top-end is hyped. It's nice but I like the 1073 better for the balanced overall response. The RME could be useful for dealing with darker elements that need a little help on the high-end. Lovely singing and playing. Gonna listen again now.
@metalfather8139
Жыл бұрын
You brought tears to my eyes the emotion an beauty of your voice. A 2nd time this video popped up
@SOULFUNKYB
3 жыл бұрын
Big difference in the definition , with 1073 you get every detail, with rme it sounds a little blurry
@TheGudlove
8 ай бұрын
I cant really articulate it but there is an emotion to the 1073 style that comes from the low. I would chose it over the RME.
@metalfather8139
2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful song.thsnkyou. your voice is beautiful and the RME is good for that pure voice..and 73 for guitar...one of the very few shootouts that made me close my eyes and forget what I was doing.....well done
@krislor8415
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Christian , thank you for this shootout . i've listened on my A8Xs. the differences were very subtles, almost no existent. However , to get my bearings i went to listen the 2 masters in my car, and there, i felt the differences (in the treble) , Always subtle but better on the 1073 ; great voice ... guy ! i want to buy this preamp , i wrote a mail to Colin , i would like to know if i can buy ez1073 version rack ready to use (assembled pcb + chassis, knobs) because i don't want to put my hands inside. i'm waiting his response .
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the 1073 is a bit smoother. I can see why people would like that! My main issue is the lowmid boost which I did not like compared to my Crane song preamp. But I'm sure you'll dig it :)
@AnthonyMartinsRock
3 жыл бұрын
1073 on your vocals worked better in this instance. RME sounded smeared and thin. I own 1073 and it has a very wide range of sound that can be produced by balancing gain with trim. My interface is thankfully very clean (Lynx Aurora (n)) and its pres are perfect for when I want a "cleaner/source true" sound. In the end of the day the answer to which is better would be "keep both" and choose based on desired option of how you want it to sound in the mix as a song.
@MartinVanDerSande
3 жыл бұрын
1073 all the way from me. But thanks for showing the comparison! Either way, great voice and playing!
@astrangeandmysteriouspodca7168
2 жыл бұрын
I have a blue robbie and a HA 73 and I like both , but the blueberry microphone going through the blue robbie sounds amazing.
@GregManningVideos
10 ай бұрын
I’m so confused. In the title it says Neve 1073, but there’s no Neve being tested. It’s a Neve clone! It’s just a preamp that’s LABELED 1073. I rest my case.
@InvisibleKingStudio
3 жыл бұрын
Man way you did that song was beautiful!!! Thank you!!!!! I liked the 1073
@KILLA_MAMA
2 жыл бұрын
Creo que has demostrado que no importa mucho que preamp usar, es muy pulcra tu interpretación musical, felicidades!!!. Al final disfrute de la canción olvidando el tema de neve 1073. Desviar mi atención de esa forma es pura magia de tu talento artístico.
@OneManRightHere
7 ай бұрын
Both have really great character. I prefer the 1073, but the RME has great definition. It really depends on the application. But that performance was stellar!
@oscarlanda851
Жыл бұрын
Friendly suggestion to work on the rising terminal in your speech. I get that english isn't your first language but this is something that is easily achieved and will make your content more enjoyable.
@mapletree2009
3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison - Thanks!
@deaffatalbruno
3 жыл бұрын
well, I don't think there is a winner here. Both preamp have nice flavour, both work. I think it also depends on the mic flavour. if you have very warm mic, maybe use the RME's and if its very clean and clear condenser mic, then use the 1073.
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Good point! I agree 👍
@ashenone3427
3 жыл бұрын
I just purchased the Avalon AD2022. I preferred that over the 1073 for vocals with the U87 ai.
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Yeah adding a pre like a 1073 on an already mid heavy mic can be a bit much :)
@EdvinLaura
9 ай бұрын
amazing voice, really surprizing to hear so great performance in a gear review video
@andrianarisonnjato1667
2 жыл бұрын
What do you guys think of AMS 1073 DPA for audio and saxophone recording? Not many videos of it on KZitem. I’m planning on buying it instead of the DPX because of budget and also purpose of use (amateur player saxophone here)
@joshuakincheloe
2 жыл бұрын
Bro people need to hear your version of hallelujah you killed it!
@mycastlelife6469
3 жыл бұрын
That voice! Amazing! Oh, yea, back to the Neve 1073, it really is “silky smoothness “ added to your voice. But, again, that voice! You can sing through anything and it’ll turn out beautiful I’m sure! God’s blessings! -Charles III
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! I appreciate it 👍
@NikolausBrocke
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. It's not a silky smoothness of the 1073 to me. It's lacking dimension and it's muffled. But you can correct it with great plugins;-)
@saarimann
2 жыл бұрын
that was beautiful!! Came for the review but commented because of your singing and playing :)
@tylersnelling
3 жыл бұрын
I think you can totally make great sounds with the rme but the neve just sounds right. Like it sounds how it should sound you know?
@denisnetto_2024
3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, nice singing! I was really hoping to agree with you, but liked better the 73 hahaha. At least on my HS50s. Rounder top end, nice mids, warmer tone. Maybe it's too much when you sum more tracks, but on this test I loved the tone. Thanks a lot for the great work.
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
The whole video was more about how surprised I was when I first tried a Neve style pre in my studio. Couldn't believe how colored it was! I've grown to like it more now though especially my GAP 73DLX pres . The RME's are for sure not in the same league as a Crane song spider. Decent but clean. Thanks for listening 🤗
@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
Жыл бұрын
nobody is buying 1073s for clarity though are they? anyway you can always EQ top end back in or buy a more transparent pre. i am glad for your comparison etc though
@DoctorMcFarlandStudios
3 жыл бұрын
Great voice. Preamp is secondary at that point. I am going to get an Arturia interface for its clean preamp.
@atta1798
3 жыл бұрын
they are both great but the 1073 really gave such an impact to the voice....everybody has different taste... BUT one thing is always above....experience n quality of upbringing in music exposure
@bigskyvision
2 жыл бұрын
1073 gave your voice a kind of texture that I liked…also some more spatial dimension. Very subtle…and I’m not listening on earphones or great monitors but I could hear it. With eyes closed, I could pick the times you switched.
@GVIC-tm2nc
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Christian, THX for the video! In my opinion, it is not allowed to speak of neve sound if there is no AMS Neve 1073 available for comparison in the studio like in your case. I'm sorry! There are BAE Audio, Heritage Audio, Warm Audio and more trying to reproduce this sound. They all don't do a bad job, by any means, they all don't sound like the AMS Neve. I have compared them all. Just a few days ago, the Warm Audio WA 73EQ. It really sounds almost identical to the Universal Audio 610 preamp (EQ Of) on bass guitar for example. The BAE sounds good, maybe better than the Warm Audio, livelier in the highs and mids, more aggressive, but not as silky as Neve. Take a listen between 1,6 and 6 KHz. There you can here the difference very clear. Acoustic guitars, vocals and bass - no doubt. And why do we all like to buy a Neve? Because we want it to be silky and full! Get hold of the AMS Neve 1073 and the BAE Audio 1073 and we'll talk more. You probably don't need this sound on all instruments at all times, so it's good to have something else, like RME preamps like yours or others. Buy an AMS Neve if you really want Neve sound. There is no one yet who could show me that any other company could capture the Neve sound 100 or even 75%. The API audio sound is nice but another matter. Also more aggressive (popular with guitarists - like Pete Thorne). Unfortunately they cost a lot of money, I agree here. Greetings.
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening! Since the video I bought an original Neve. And I do think all clones that I've tried do a pretty good job nailing the sound. I'm sure AMS is nice but for that price of their most expensive units I'd rather source original transformers and build a clone with vintage parts. Still the Neve isn't my favourite preamp but I can say I get it now and understand why people love them. Cheers!
@GVIC-tm2nc
3 жыл бұрын
@@Christian_svedin Here is a very short studio recording with Tim Pierce: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lXqfuX6wj5qTZqw (listen especially to the acoustic guitar). The BAE 1073 EQ is good for electric guitars, but incredible expensive and without send & insert for compressor (if needed).
@pml394
2 жыл бұрын
Had to come back , but not for the comparison . Great singing and guitar Sound/playing, thats what I came back to hear !
@marc_leblanc
3 жыл бұрын
I like the 1073 on acoustic instruments but for everything else I use other pres.
@janukomski6728
3 жыл бұрын
imho 1073 is a great preamp for guitars and drums, too much higher midrange for voices except when you want it to sound rock'n roll. Of course, it's not Avalon, if you want smooth, get an Avalon, Voxbox or UA 610
@phillipphillip367
3 жыл бұрын
yeah. Same experience here.
@musiccreation1198
2 жыл бұрын
Really tough call. Glad I own both ;). With a solid state mic, like my Chandler TG, I bet I'd prefer the 1073. Thanks for the comparison.
@LeRitzFR
11 ай бұрын
Very good video (and terrific performance to say the least). I just find it unfortunate you did not compare with an actual Neve 1073 SPX/DPX - at least, that would have made it interesting for me, being on the verge of getting one. Thanks anyway.
@ddrumdude
3 жыл бұрын
Granted I have compromised hearing at the moment due to an ear infection, but to me the 1073 sounded fuller and more balanced (just better to my ears). Although I thought the ambient lead guitar in the background sounded more pleasing with the RME.
@miguelmurrieta2880
2 жыл бұрын
Why is there an SM7B and not a Neumann m269c / U67 as claimed?
@Christian_svedin
2 жыл бұрын
I think I had just put it in storage when I recorded the singalong. Sorry for the confusion ✌️
@marciobrenes3216
2 жыл бұрын
Came here for the Comparison but ended up becomming a fan of you singing , Great work Bro, Amazing voice
@Christian_svedin
2 жыл бұрын
🙏
@salzulli6290
3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts: they both have their own uses. The 1073 sounds very classic and is reminiscent of the hardware used at the time. The RME sounded very similar to the live recordings of acoustic sets in a cathedral style room. It sounded very modern, and works better in this instance. I feel like they're very different in vibes, and that's something you need to consider when mixing. Do you want vintage studio vibes? Or do you want modern studio vibes?
@anthonyrock5039
5 ай бұрын
The RME is great and clean. Gives the performance a live set sound. The 1073 gives a record/album sound. Both great. One sounds live like I'm hearing you on an sm58 the other like I'm in my living room or radio play list. Depends on what you are going for.
@operasinger2126
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Christian. What do anyone think about Rupert Neve Designs Shelford Channel Microphone Preamp, Inductor EQ & Diode Bridge Compressor?
@Christian_svedin
Жыл бұрын
Howdi! Never gotten around to try the RN stuff. I'd like to though!
@NagoyaHouseHead
3 жыл бұрын
Hi guys. I have just purchased a Neve 1073 3Lb preamp. And the manual says it was designed to work with the API Lunchbox. But the smallest API now is 6 slots which I dont need. So my question is this : Will the Neve 1073 3Lb work with a BAE 3Lb 3 Channel 500 series rack ? Or do I HAVE to buy the API 6 slot ?
@anthonyrock5039
5 ай бұрын
Hope you have long resolved this. It can work with any number slot LB 🎉hope you enjoy
@o5pfilms951
Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video and the comparison! That being said, I don't think you made the case here to say that the 1073 is overrated. I preferred the 1073 over the RME almost right away in your comparison. Very talented performance, btw! Of course, this is all very subjective and unique to the color, or lack thereof, that you're looking for in any given recording. I think in most genres, the added color is desirable. Many situations benefit more from a transparent preamp, and many prefer the transparency in general, especially to give more flexibility in post to have more control over how the sound is colored. Buuuuut, I feel that color added by hardware is just superior to emulations in the box. I think you made the right choice keeping both. Best of both worlds!
@gino3286
6 ай бұрын
maybe i am hearing things but it seems that with the Neve the voice pops out more Very very nice indeed
@lochaze
2 жыл бұрын
Can you please give some tips to record vocals with neve 1073 spx best eq settings.
@Leviathan_I
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this dudes got an incredible voice. Was not expecting that for a comparison video lol
@russellcreek1585
2 жыл бұрын
I would say both sound great for different uses. RME is very clean. I do own the 1073DPX and there is just something about the 1073 that adds a sizzle/musical distortion that isn’t there with lower end stuff...however, I don’t think the average listener really notices the difference...but I love it! I also have the UAD 1073 and it’s great clean, but plugins can’t match the real thing when driven…that’s where the magic happens. Mic of course matters as well, not sure the SM7B is the best to audition what it can do…love the M149 with the 1073…and the DPX is killer with all the modern features. Btw, are you lip syncing to your own track?! ;)….All good, I get it. All around, great video, thanks for taking the time to do it! PS. And as with anything in pro audio, you pay 90% for the last 10% of sound improvement. Case in point here!
@Christian_svedin
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Good points! I actually used an Neumann m269c. Sorry for the confusion. But that probably helped the ufx pres coming out a bit better then a clean modern mic 😁✌️
@morphoice
2 жыл бұрын
Great Neve tone aside, man you have a beautiful voice and that was some performance!
@suriyadunya9994
2 жыл бұрын
clones just dont do it for me. i dont know all the technicalities but is it possible, i mean can you put a vintage output transformer in a clone? is that practical?
@kayakbandits9894
2 жыл бұрын
I wish the ending was with the 1073! Very nice.
@nitrixrules
Ай бұрын
Your voice is the star. Amazing performance
@JaeBTundra1
2 жыл бұрын
Can you test out the new neve 88m interface and use 1073 with it?
@wesleyleigh4063
3 жыл бұрын
It sounds good because it's been used the most and for the longest. The end. Also, it barely matters because it's such a subtle effect and hugely overstated, so this debate is quite absurd, like what are you comparing it to? other infinitesimal blips of harmonic colouration at no more then 4-6 points in the range? granted, it definitely is a hyper-familiar/ grounding quality, but it pales next to a well placed compressor, or some light yet deliberate softclipping/limiting.
@abhisheksrivastava3787
3 жыл бұрын
Preferred 1073. You sang so well!!
@okay1904
2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful - preferred the RME. The 1073 was muddy.
@rhoten8039
6 ай бұрын
The RME is more clear and the 1073 style had more vibe. I wished you used the BAE 1073.
@hypertron
Жыл бұрын
Wow.. What a performance.. I didn't expect this while I was just looking for a simple shootout.. Great voice and a cool channel! Btw: I preferred the 1073..
@ashleydines144
2 ай бұрын
With the wealth of plugins you get diminished returns when using anolog gear. But there is a difference. Albeit one most people wouldnt notice
@THETHINKINGMINDS
3 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial, good. Very detail=oriented I'd like to ask you; how to unbounce a song for additional mising. Thanks
@jeffcamilleri1422
Жыл бұрын
Very talented guy. I have no experience with a real 1073. I've sung and played guitar live on average around 4 times per week for over 40 years so if if my ears have any shortcomings its gonna be my age that lets me down here. I closed my eyes whilst listening to see if I could detect the change in preamp and I've got to say that I could honestly hear the difference every time. The 1073 gave me a perception that there was another added dimension in the sonics. I might download the files and play around with them if possible to verify but as it stands I would agree with the masses in that the real 1073 has some special magic. It's kind of the same magic I experience in playing my strat or 335 through a valve amp compared with playing through my Fractal axe FX. No matter how many people tell me they are close its still like chalk and cheese to me. Another example is when I changed from recording on an old teac analogue 4 track at the age of around 25 and started recording on digital. Admittedly the digital was in its primitive stages back then but I recall there was a forgiving factor when I listened back to my takes and it seemed like it was hard for me to miss pitch a vocal line whereas even now I find myself re recording takes to perfect them. I'd like to know if that's an experience anyone else has had?? BTW -Thanks for the great example as it's a subject I'm really fascinated by.
@Christian_svedin
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing and checking out the video 🙏
@DanielBaeder
2 жыл бұрын
1073 is the winner for me thank you for the comparison
@BraveNewWorld8101
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best test tracks in a comparison I've heard in a while, great job.
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! I got a couple of cool comparisons coming up :)
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
Anything you'd want? Ideas are always welcomed 😃
@BraveNewWorld8101
3 жыл бұрын
@@Christian_svedin Subbed!
@BraveNewWorld8101
3 жыл бұрын
@@Christian_svedin Well, I just started using T-racks and I'm really impressed. It would be neat to see a comparison of how well it models the Neve eq's and the Fairchild compressor among some of the other well known pieces of gear it models.
@Christian_svedin
3 жыл бұрын
@@BraveNewWorld8101 I don't think I can get a Fairchild haha! But I'm quite sure I will be able to get some original Neves for an a/b.
@adidan9173
3 жыл бұрын
in my humble opinion you should keep singing. no matter which preamp you use.
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