I'm not a cruiser fan but That R12 is one of the best looking cruisers I've seen
@dgomes265
10 ай бұрын
R12 looks cool and will hopefully appeal yo the cruiser intenders. The R9T is still my favourite retro and prefer the look of existing model.
@AdventureRockNRoller
10 ай бұрын
That R12 looks really appealing. Can’t wait to see it in the flesh. I hope it’s ground clearance in corners though is much improved on the R18
@kmw300
10 ай бұрын
I love the R12! Since I lost my beloved R1200C in an accident in 2022 and even before I was hoping for a newer and lighter cruiser from BMW and it appears that the R12 is it. I’m really excited and I just hope it will fit me just was well as the R1200C , which felt like Taylor made for me. Both Variants look great, I think. Finally, thank you for making these great Videos, they are very helpful and nice to watch.
@JasonPinhay
10 ай бұрын
I also think the older R9T was better looking. That new R12 looks really sharp from the video, gives me vibes of my Moto Guzzi Griso. Too bad they down tuned it, but maybe once tuners get at it, hopefully a flash will give it the full beans.
@56sketch
10 ай бұрын
Hard to justify the BMW badge markup but that cruiser is gorgeous
@carlosandleon
10 ай бұрын
wait 10 years and get a used one
@larryhouse3776
10 ай бұрын
There's arguably no markup for it being a BMW. What you get and the technology that comes with it is very competitively priced. In many cases you can even see their S1000rr coming in cheaper than a Yamaha R1. And the BMW is more powerful, more premium feeling, and has better technology.
@williamrae9954
10 ай бұрын
Especially on paint prices 😮
@ml2799
10 ай бұрын
I saw that r12 cruiser today at the NEC bike show and in my opinion, was the hands down bike of the show for me, as shown here it looked incredible in the flesh.
@sarnbradshaw7382
9 ай бұрын
Did you sit on and try it out for ergo’s?
@NazirKhambati
10 ай бұрын
i am more drawn towards the older R9T but neverthess the new R129T also looks fab...
@DaveRapier
10 ай бұрын
Great details, literally just put money down on a R9T scrambler, thought they might have added power so thank you for making this video, well done.
@CorGP
10 ай бұрын
I would 100% get one of these over Harley’s new nightster.
@motobob
10 ай бұрын
Agreed it looks the better bike 👍
@gillianbrodie6807
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for a great video. 😃👍 I really like the R12, (the 719 option) and I prefer the look of the old R nine T. Keep up the good work. 😃
@posteroonie
10 ай бұрын
I find the naked bike riding position more commanding because I have weight on the front wheel and can put weight on my arms. Cruisers may have the "commanding" attitude but steering them is like using a tiller.
@Vegesaurus7
10 ай бұрын
Thanks Bob was waiting for your thoughts on these new bikes. I always look forward to your take. 😊 I love the RnineT and think these are both great successors to the old one. You have to keep moving. I am also surprised by how much I like that R12. Can’t wait to sit on one and see how comfy those ergonomics are. It looks amazing. I’m also surprised how much I like the look of that small digital gauge.
@AMDP65
9 ай бұрын
The best boxer engine ever - the 1200 twincam aircooled. Bring back a R1200GS air cooled with basic ABS as an alternative to the finicky 1300cc LC!
@gmoneymac23
10 ай бұрын
BMW continues to neglect the R1250R model, yet, it's one of their best bikes.
@tompGA
10 ай бұрын
Issue is that this is still the old Oil Head engine that was in the GS's 2009-2012 and is unchanged. Also has a dry clutch that is positioned at the back of the engine. Any service on that clutch means breaking the bike in half.
@stewy62
10 ай бұрын
I think I prefer the old R nineT style but it had a good run, I guess it was due a change. I do like the R12 although it’s not really my thing. The price differential is hard to justify but even the old nineT was more expensive than the R1250R which on paper beats it hands down. Go figure ! The BMW video called the bike with a bikini fairing a “Racer” so expect more variants in the future although I’ll be sticking with my old R nineT Racer 🇬🇧
@Vegesaurus7
10 ай бұрын
I think the difference between R9T and r1250r is the build. One have more attention to details and fir and finish one is just a practical bike. At least that’s the way I looked at it. What I find hard is choosing which I prefer. Do I want comfort or cool…
@stewy62
10 ай бұрын
@@Vegesaurus7 I prefer the air/oil cooled engine (for reasons that are not logical) and the heritage style but the new R nineT is £2,090 more than the R1250R in the UK and £1,280 more than the R1250RS. Your point about build quality is well made but equally the £2,430 difference between the R nineT and the R12 I find hard to justify, and it’s only £570 less than the old R1250GS.
@Vegesaurus7
10 ай бұрын
Yep those are great points. From what I hear the r1250 r, rs and gs are a lot more comfortable to ride. I guess you really have to want the style of the RnineT
@paulred158
10 ай бұрын
I’m totally not a cruiser person as I have older Italian sports bikes but the cruiser is a very elegant bike.
@manuelaluciani8449
10 ай бұрын
Dude your reviews are immaculate and very well made !!
@GeoffreyDunne
10 ай бұрын
excellent side by side overview of both new R12 models. Presented in a clearly spoken and easy to understand generic English accent, thank you. Particularly liked that you sat on the bikes to illustrate their relative size. Eagerly waiting for your road test - and the USA release of course.
@ronaldthomas9396
10 ай бұрын
I prefer the analog gages myself!
@jedw9983
10 ай бұрын
R12 looks fantastic. Can't wait for the review!
@GaryFackler
10 ай бұрын
I like the new Nine T .... especially in the green color scheme. Three questions: 1) Does the optional digital dash include a fuel level gauge, 2) Is the optional bikini fairing available in the green color, and 3) Is an optional center stand available this year? Thanks. Nice reporting.
@jays9211
10 ай бұрын
All good questions
@williamclarke2020
9 ай бұрын
That may be the best all-rounder motorcycle ever. Great power and torque from a reliable motor and now with USD forks. It looks so friggin cool! Especially the all aluminium and red frame of the 719. Solo seat conversion is wicked and I'd opt for the larger fairing instead of the fly screen. I'll have my saddle in a dark brown tan please! Wow! I'm torn between this and the Tiger 900 GT Pro. I know they have different purposes but a guy can dream... As per usual, great reporting!
@mitchellfox3130
10 ай бұрын
New r9t all day. So much cleaner looking than the outgoing model. Airbox (and I assume) battery in a sensible location. This is a worthy successor. Green, analog gauges and tubeless spoked wheels please (if a suitcase of Franklins was left on my doorstep).
@JasonSmith-dw3vp
10 ай бұрын
The R12 is surprisingly appealing
@MrAndrew1953
10 ай бұрын
Really like the swing arm on the green tank model. Having had 2 Boxers I’d go for the 109 hp.
@pixelmixture3067
10 ай бұрын
italians are allready building tiny bikes ... germans should think of more than 6 feet drivers ... we want a 9T scrambler for tall people !
@DucatiDiaries
10 ай бұрын
Agreed fully
@VelkePivo
10 ай бұрын
Agreed. Motobob looks big on the bike and I’m much taller. Then again, judging from BMW’s ad, most of these bikes are purchased by free spirited, untamable bad-ass women, so maybe small is the way to go.
@Scouse.Malinois
10 ай бұрын
I disagree. What do want straight legs on a bike? It's a normal sized bike probably mt09 size. Is it just that your really fat or something?
@paulred158
10 ай бұрын
lol you tall guys already have the entire adv market, what else do you want.😀
@pixelmixture3067
10 ай бұрын
@@Scouse.Malinois there's a middle point between straight legs and 100° bent knees ...
@Force-Majeure
10 ай бұрын
Not in my price range, plus I´m addicted to Moto Guzzi BUT these bikes look fabulous
@Jacob99174
10 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on speed twin 1200?
@david-johntiemens573
10 ай бұрын
Thanks brother! I’m loving the R12. I hate the 19” front and the muted engine… but those looks.
@Stickybutton
10 ай бұрын
How can they omit the Akrapovic exhausts?
@S2NAZ
9 ай бұрын
Finally a seat height I can ride! Can’t wait to test ride it 👍🏻
@simpletonballsack
10 ай бұрын
Gotta admit, I never saw the R12 coming. Bit of a pleasant surprise and seems naturally introduced by the R18 to completely distance it from the R1200C.
@mikeogden5256
8 ай бұрын
Oh that cruiser is amazing 😻
@naarealy
10 ай бұрын
Looks great! As an owner of the old RnineT, I was hoping they would go retro-futuristic with the new model. Most of the modern styled BMWs look strange to me.
@haydncolcombe9300
10 ай бұрын
Good to meet you today at Motorcycle Live, you're alot taller in real life 😁👍
@Krebs61
7 ай бұрын
Got the now old nineT for years now... Waiting for a test drive at the dealer RN, the old bike is awesome, wanna try the new one before I press buy.
@daionsavage
6 ай бұрын
My guess is that they are equal in ”fun” factor. But the new one looks gorgeous! (I ride a 2016 Pure: raw as anything and basic to the bone, but the rush I get from taking it through a twisty road is immense!)
@plap.
10 ай бұрын
in this day and age everything should have a tachometer.
@FourIntoOne
10 ай бұрын
I dunno, ride modes called "rock" and "roll" sound like an overdose of Americana cheese to me.....
@motobob
10 ай бұрын
Haha well yes there is that! Don’t love those names either… but the looks of the physical bike are good imo
@AndyObern
10 ай бұрын
Does the new r12ninet come with a fuel gauge this time? It’s a lovely looking bike and I would have considered one but when you have added a few extras to r12ninet you are looking close to 16k, out of my price.
@xu10j4rs1
7 ай бұрын
R12 looks great and I’d definitely keep the analogue dials! Digi looks better than most digi dashes though
@aluminati9918
10 ай бұрын
Frankly, both bikes look amazing! Well done, BMW.
@M3ANDER
10 ай бұрын
Great introduction again - thank you! Even though I don't prefer neither of this types of bike, both look great to me! Did you mention that both are equiped with a steering damper?
@motobob
10 ай бұрын
No fair point. Surprised the R12 needs it being so raked out
@ukvamp
10 ай бұрын
any signs of a fuel gauge?
@tommydogsdad
7 ай бұрын
I am so looking forward to the r12 in America! This is top of my list of bikes to potentially purchase this year.
@willswanson2145
9 ай бұрын
I loved my 9t. The one thing I don’t like about the new style is the length of the tank, I don’t like seeing all the wiring exposed up where the neck of the frame is. I do like that the removed the snorkel, but everything else I liked better about the old.
@SPSteve
7 ай бұрын
I really like the R12. When I was looking for a new bike two years ago (I bought a Moto Guzzi V7 Special) I looked at the R nineT but I didn't like the rear modern sport bike styling. I would have bought the new R12 with its more traditional styling and rear fender.
@johnhinds6540
10 ай бұрын
Great review! Question: does the R12NineT finally include a fuel gauge? (p.s. prefer the clocks, thank you!)
@amandacatherine793
10 ай бұрын
I would have preferred the TFT as a modular add-on to the analog gauges… I certainly hope there is a fuel gauge. I think a decade is long enough to wait for basic fare.
@marcusgeorge1825
10 ай бұрын
Nice one Bob. Thank you. I’d take the RS version from team green.
@msd85TvT
10 ай бұрын
That cruiser could be stretched out a bit bit elongating and increasing the seat a bit. Might make it a better cruiser
@martyn_g
9 ай бұрын
If you dig the boxer/shaft drive configuration, it’s hard to go back to a chain driven bike, I reckon.
@RocnerdSA
10 ай бұрын
I prefer the old tank
10 ай бұрын
Here in PT the price for the new nineT starts now on 19.2k€. as the other "lower" versions will be descontinued... THis thing will tank. at least for now...
@stewy62
10 ай бұрын
Do you still have a Racer ? 🇬🇧
10 ай бұрын
@@stewy62 I never got to buy it. Crisis happened and in less than a month I had lost in value the money to buy 2 of those. :D... still waiting on a recovery... but now, I would get me a V100 Mandelo... In the meanwhile, still happy with my w650 cafe racer that I built myself.
@stewy62
10 ай бұрын
@ That is a shame, I have my Racer but I can see you have a very good taste in motorcycles !
@SSS-mp8th
10 ай бұрын
Being an R9T owner, not impressed with the R12 9T. The regular R12 is fine but like the R18 it won't sell well.
@n22pdf
10 ай бұрын
I owned an older version when they were first released.. I think the new versions look much nicer well done BMW. It's a shame they changed lowered the power so much on the other version. Pete
@geoffball9547
10 ай бұрын
Strangely the R12 has some chops!
@coreytravisbean
9 ай бұрын
I've got the R9t, never been a super big cruiser fan because they all kinda look the same, but this one catches my eye.
@terryclair2914
10 ай бұрын
Still in love with my 21' R9T Urban GS Bumblebee. It would be a hard bike to replace!
@bernardlesperance742
7 ай бұрын
Love the R 12 ! . . . At least based on the promo pics and videos. Can't wait to see one at my local BMW Motorrad . . . and hopefully be able to test ride it . . . and . . . just maybe give my Sportster 1200 a new companion !
@deandias5198
2 ай бұрын
Would love to see the full review of this bike
@linopontes
10 ай бұрын
12k and 14k... suddenly a 2nd hand MT-09 SP or 890r are going to be even better deals.
@jameshicks8742
7 ай бұрын
I would love to know if they added a fuel gauge! I am leaning more towards a Triumph Bonneville T120
@88davidw
10 ай бұрын
Love the R12. The nineT doesn’t look as good as the old one.
@Jon_Yale
6 ай бұрын
I can't wait for your road review on this bike mate. Any idea when that's coming?
@Nils_Martin
10 ай бұрын
I had the old R nineT when they first come out, and i absolutely love it. I think this new one looks pretty damn interesting..!! 🤙🏼
@thejohnnerparty
8 ай бұрын
I like the look of the 719 pkg, but I think I like the R nine T styling better.
@guywolff
10 ай бұрын
Yep the R12 with the bigger gas tank and more suspention would be my choice .. Still a R12 /2 (deco styling) with a telalver or Earles fork and 5.5 US gal tank is my choice .Detuning the 1200 if it makes the engine work lass and better gas milage would be great ... As a broken record I am still waiting on a R80 with Earles fork :) . ANy rnine T second hand would be great .. I have tried for years to walk into my local BMW dealer with my 900 STree Scrambler and $10 K and find a left over of second hand R9T ... Last visit they offered me $2k for the Triumph ... :)
@PaulA-e9f
10 ай бұрын
Is there finally a fuel gauge?
@43tubularbells
8 ай бұрын
Great video! I love the R12. I am hopeful but not optimistic that they will offer nice looking, locking hard bags for it.
@abermol1
10 ай бұрын
Mido 1.80mm. Y estas motos son pequeñas. que pena, lindos los modelos.
@mrlancekink
8 ай бұрын
great review!
@danielgielchinsky6951
10 ай бұрын
R12 hearkens back to the R1200C? Both bikes featured here are beautiful.
@leominus9758
10 ай бұрын
Thank you, i'v aways liked the look of the r9t but don't like the retro gage's & now that little TFT dash looks really good
@williamrae9954
10 ай бұрын
Like the new Yamaha MT09,I'm seeing a BMW flattracker there....love that green paint on the other one though!
@brianharradine8130
10 ай бұрын
Latest R9T in green is the way to go
@charlesbradley2943
10 ай бұрын
Did they finally add a bloody gas gauge ?
@suppersready4you
10 ай бұрын
They are both really nice bikes I always have been a boxer fanatic and maybe next season I'll give the Ninet a try I do prefer the previous cylinder head look Thanks Bob for taking the time to do all these reviews Ride safe Marcelo Great job!
@eramusmotovlog
10 ай бұрын
How tall are you?
@problemslayer3538
10 ай бұрын
Still wondering when yamaha are going to put something into the retro cruiser market. The bolt 950 or xv 950 as its known in uk isn't really cutting it. They need a retro bruiser like the ducati daivel
@johnDukemaster
10 ай бұрын
What's the knob on the right hand side? Under the tank, over the cylinder. I like the one with the biggest pricetag, of course. But out of reach for me, I'm afraid.
@a99miata
9 ай бұрын
love to see a R100RT version of this new tech
@alyx172
10 ай бұрын
Still no normal luggage solution (though I salute more straight rider position on R12). And what’s the purpose of phone plugging if you don’t have big screen hence no gps and awkward music control (if any)?
@mikerider58
10 ай бұрын
Analog speedo and Rev counter every day on Classic Bikes Rolex DON'T make digital watches. Digital clocks on motorcycles is a Cheap Trick . Rider modes are also a cheap trick on classic. Rider Modes are in your right hand. R12 is the Best bike lve seen in a very long time and the price fits the bike. R 12 Absolutely Beautiful 😍
@coboisarapatanas
9 ай бұрын
BMW R12 take my money
@matts.1758
9 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for the scrambler/gs version
@basedury
10 ай бұрын
i just don't understand why they gotta put the exhaust on the left side. doesn't photograph well on the side stand
@waynemarlow8157
10 ай бұрын
Prefer looks of older R9T, that R12 looks so cool...
@chrisjonesbath
10 ай бұрын
Ummm, The NineT oil cooled BMWs were always good looking, but what were they thinking with the R12? The R18 was also a looker, but the R12 is neither a muscle cruiser nor a retro, a bit of dogs breakfast from the photos. Raiding the Harley catalogue for a rear mudguard does not a good looking cruiser make and cruisers more than any other type of bike need to look good. Maybe it looks better in the flesh? I'm a cruiser fan and also love the boxer twin engine, but I'm very disappointed by their styling efforts with the R12. The weirdo R1200C at least had a style all of its own.
@exlibrex
10 ай бұрын
I've had two R nine Ts. Was looking forward to the updated nine T. But Meh. the design is fine but but has lost its wow factor.
@BikashDeepharijan-vn4lz
10 ай бұрын
Great video sir❤❤❤
@motobob
10 ай бұрын
🙏
@javiervar494
9 ай бұрын
Good couple of bikes for new year. Good review 👍
@mikephillips3947
10 ай бұрын
The r12 cruiser is a lovely looking bike, where can I get some merchandise from, enjoy your weekend 👍👍👍
@colingoldthorpe5918
10 ай бұрын
These just look all wrong in person. I looked hard at them but that motor just looks odd in a retro bike. Sorry but the Bonneville is the perfect design retro bike.
@AdamC66
10 ай бұрын
R9T owner... I'm not getting instant thoughts of "must upgrade" with the new model Edit: although I may sit on the R12 out of curiosity
@nickbetts2244
10 ай бұрын
Looks really good. The build quality looks great. 👌
@Gabrielone1971
10 ай бұрын
Good review, you have just confirmed my desire to stay with the 2014 - 2023 models. Smaller tank, less horsepower, lower riding position and poor indicator design. You’ve saved me 15k 👍
@humanbeing1675
10 ай бұрын
Only the cruiser has less power...
@kingdave250
10 ай бұрын
Can‘t wait to see the R12 GS Dakar Style
@vamshikishan7822
10 ай бұрын
Does it have tubless tyres coz in the previous model it was tubed 🤔
@motobob
10 ай бұрын
Yes I believe the spoked wheel upgrades are tubeless 👍
@vamshikishan7822
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the info i hope those who were thinking to buy will be happy to know 😀 and it would be a pain if it were to be tubed again if there was a puncher✌️
@toddparsons2980
10 ай бұрын
Both look great. Maybe get power back with a flash???
@乱乱-y3u
10 ай бұрын
I wander if the digtal display can fit in the 2017 version r ninet😂 I love the bike but I hate the shaking clocks!
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