Why the hell they charge so much for these days? My God! Most of them are absolute garbage. Huge thanks to Hardware Unboxed for raising public awareness.
@tinto278
5 ай бұрын
LMAO
@curryking1
5 ай бұрын
seriously the price of am5 boards is so fucking insane, i just went to am4 instead and got a 5800x3d even for a build i did just a month ago, and my other builds are 5950x, theres like zero reason to get am5 until the boards are not expensive as shit lol!
@CpuWaiy
5 ай бұрын
@@curryking1same here. I doubt we are alone in this
@lamikal2515
5 ай бұрын
That's the doubleedged sword of capitalism : people are very quick to cry, shout and moan "mUh eViL cOrPoRaTiOnS" when in fact, the only thing a corporation does is selling products or services, and THEY HAVE TO SELL if they want to stay solvant. So if people want lower prices, they just have to stop buying. You can stay indifferent longer than they can stay solvent, don't forget that.
@PineyJustice
5 ай бұрын
@@curryking1 Absolutely delusional. A good AM4 board still runs well over 200$ at which point you can get a perfectly good x670 board for the same price. Secondly, even a ryzen 7600 beats a 5800x3d at gaming, everything else is just massively downhill from there. The boards in this video are like 100 bucks, that's about on par with the cheapest crappiest motherboards of any generation prior, what exactly are you expecting?
@MrFOXTEiN
5 ай бұрын
Absolutely no one. HU Steve: Gets paid by MSI as a video sponsor. Continues to thrash MSI motherboards in the same video. Very professional and pro consumer honesty. Thanks Steve. Love your work. Such an effort to review and stress test a heap load of motherboards like that.
@Ultrasonictwo
5 ай бұрын
yeah good point
@GameslordXY
5 ай бұрын
You have to admire the MSI as well though. They knew this was gonna happen and they did it anyways.
@wheezel55
4 ай бұрын
no not at all they should make better products 🙂 @@GameslordXY
@ZaXTheAlien
2 ай бұрын
Continues to thrash MSI Motherboard FIRST and foremost.
@teflondom-w80
5 ай бұрын
the types of boards that you see in pre builts described as top end
@@GewelReal That's way too much detail for a prebuilt ad
@Neopulse00
5 ай бұрын
💯
@damdibidum
5 ай бұрын
@@Flashv28 military grade parts, lol
@justmatt2655
5 ай бұрын
I love how this video is sponsored by MSI and yet Steve is clowning on them throughout 😂
@BleedForTheWorld
5 ай бұрын
I know this might be seen as some sort of win but it's still marketing. Sans proper boycott, do you know how companies truly lose? When people forget they exist and don't shop from them anymore.
@Dark.Syndicate
5 ай бұрын
@@BleedForTheWorld all these companies do something wrong. if u want to let them die then u would have to give up gaming altogether.
@BleedForTheWorld
5 ай бұрын
@@Dark.Syndicate truly
@rocksfire4390
5 ай бұрын
@@BleedForTheWorld no people need to find their spine and make companies hurt in the only way they understand, money. nothing will get better as long as people are spineless and wont hold anyone/thing to account. it's just going to get worse overtime and the longer this goes on for, the longer it's going to take to fix.
@Axisoflords
5 ай бұрын
It does show MSI don't play childish blacklist games and are still willing to work with creators, even on content that leans negative to them. This is what you should be wanting to see, not that infamous nvidia media blacklist garbage from a few years back.
@cudlymagmashadow7675
5 ай бұрын
Important to note that on many of these B650 Gigabyte boards you are unable to overclock/undervolt the CPU due to bios restrictions (as far as I know). A friend purchased a D3HP board and has been unable to tweak CPU voltage nor has he been able to use PBO2 for undervolting. This seems to be a common issue online. Unsure why Gigabyte would restrict even undervolting on these boards. FYI Make sure to look into BIOS capability before purchasing. EDIT: Please take this with a grain of salt, but a user posted their correspondence with GIGABYTE support where these GIGABYTE models were said not to support overclocking. Extremely disappointing that I had to dig for this information as it wasn't readily available: -B650 UD AC -B650M D3HP -B650M D3HP AX -B650M C V2 -B650M Gaming Wifi -B650M D2H -B650M S2H -B650M H
@H786...
5 ай бұрын
what kind of wording do i specifically need to look for because these snakey manufacturers hide it well.
@LucianoSmerrosy
5 ай бұрын
@@H786... i think the best is to search a specific mobo you're interested in and see if any reviews are able to go in bios and do all sorts of stuff like undervolt/overclock just so you have an idea on that specific board before buying i think that would help quite alot
@tanmay5570
5 ай бұрын
Please mention mobo model number
@Coeb005
5 ай бұрын
Go for aorus for oc
@Splarkszter
5 ай бұрын
Not buying a gigabyte product ever then
@someonebritish6326
5 ай бұрын
I can’t tell you how valuable these videos are for system builders. Nobody else does it as well as HUB.
@julfy_god
5 ай бұрын
yeah really nice to have those, although it's really guessable if you know the specs and vrm designs of those mobos
@wheezel55
4 ай бұрын
@@julfy_godwhat the fuck is a vrm design bro
@ricardowilliams3765
4 ай бұрын
@@wheezel55 basically, if the vrm is trash your CPU will be unstable and have reduced performance. you see those metal cubes around your CPU on the motherboard? those are vrms and the more of those cubes you have the better the ''vrm design'' is.
@RandoBurner
5 ай бұрын
Goddam, was waiting for the Mobo King, since he announced it on the podcast. Great, as expected.
@fepethepenguin8287
5 ай бұрын
MOBO King.... you mean the channel Actually Overclocking... Hes litteraly the king nerd of all MOBO if you have not seen his stuff, check it out
@scroopynooperz9051
5 ай бұрын
@@fepethepenguin8287you're talking about the guy that Overclocks everything, including his hair and fake american accent? 😂
@fepethepenguin8287
5 ай бұрын
@@scroopynooperz9051 huh No he don't show his face Actually hard-core overclockig is the channel
@ZWortek
5 ай бұрын
@@scroopynooperz9051 Super weird take on your end but he lives in the UK lol, that's why his accent is a bit odd. IIRC he moved to the UK when he was younger so he has kind of a hybrid accent.
@lonewalker527
5 ай бұрын
Last year I bought the MSI B650M-A with your advice, and I'm pretty happy with it! It actually has a one click PBO profile that decreased my 7600X's temps about 12 degrees and it's power usage about 30 watts all while maintaining 5.45 GHz all cores and not a single crash ever since!!! for a couple of clicks, that is AWESOME!!
@alifahran8033
5 ай бұрын
I have the same motherboard and almost the same CPU (7600). These two products were a great deal when I bought them and are delivering impressive performance at low temperatures. Cheers!
@bluedior3863
5 ай бұрын
i’m looking to buy this mobo, do you know how long it takes to charge your phone using the 10gb port?
@farqman
5 ай бұрын
I have the same board, how did you do this?
@PineyJustice
5 ай бұрын
But can it run a 7950x at full boost for hours on end, as that's the only true mark of quality according to this video.
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns
5 ай бұрын
It’s not a bad motherboard, but I think you should have spend the extra $50 on the Asrock B650E steel legend. At $200 it offers 2 more M.2 slots than the MSI one, and better VRMS. In addition the top PCIe slot and M.2 is Gen 5.
@LordandGodofYouTube
5 ай бұрын
If we stop buying they will reduce prices. The price-to-performance gains don't seem to justify the price inflation over the last decade or so.
@Splarkszter
5 ай бұрын
Just stop buying them with the objective that they never make those crappy handicapped models ever again.
@WyattOShea
5 ай бұрын
@@Splarkszter A lot of us already do that but unless it's the majority or a huge portion of customers also doing it then we won't see change.
@Solrac-Siul
5 ай бұрын
who is we? the people commenting on a youtube tech channel? that represent less than 0.5% of the market?
@HennesTobias
5 ай бұрын
Here in the Philippines, most of the $100-135 boards in this vid are minimum $175 lol There's barely any b550m boards at the $100-135 price range. What a terrible time to build/upgrade your PC
@WasNotWas999
5 ай бұрын
That idea didn't work for Graphics Cards.
@Elit3Blaze
5 ай бұрын
I'm happy to be typing this on my pc upgrade to a 5800x3d with MAG B550 Tomahawk Max WiFi about 2 weeks ago.
@GOREilla.
5 ай бұрын
Nice
@eracer1111
5 ай бұрын
I've had a 5800X3D on an MSI B550A-Pro for about two years. Great VRM. I think I paid $100 for the mobo. Granted, I had to add a WiFi 6 PCI board, which added about $40 to the cost. But it's been a rock solid combination. It's almost criminal that these poorly designed B650 boards even exist.
@fiha4186
3 ай бұрын
Tomahawk b650 any good?
@vilmfilm
2 ай бұрын
This is the board I currently bought 2 days ago. Works fine for me and it's not in this video. That means it's a decent good board right? Lol
@arha-z1v
5 ай бұрын
so Tim is marketing MSI monitors while Steve rips MSI for misleading marketing on motherboards :)
@Rogerkonijntje
5 ай бұрын
good, unbiased HWUB W
@benjaminoechsli1941
5 ай бұрын
@@RogerkonijntjeIndeed. Shocking that a company can be good at one thing, but bad at others. It's almost like they have different groups within said company that have different levels of competency!
@Rogerkonijntje
5 ай бұрын
@@benjaminoechsli1941 true
@edue_mrb
5 ай бұрын
@@benjaminoechsli1941 MSI isn't bad at making motherboards by any means. They can produce good boards at decent prices (they've done it before) so this product launch is deliberate, and I'm sure most of these boards will end up at third world countries where costumers aren't informed enough or don't have the means to be so.
@Axisoflords
5 ай бұрын
MSI isn't omnipresent nor is their QC from one product applicable to an utterly separate entity. Putting MSI on blast for their motherboards while also praising when they make good monitors, is what actual non-bias is. If you're trying to imply that blasting their motherboards means they should be hating monitors too, then you are clueless.
@rangersmith4652
5 ай бұрын
If you're building an entry-level AM5 system today with plans to upgrade as AM5 CPUs evolve, spend your money on the motherboard and the PSU. If you cheap out on either one, you'll regret it.
@PalaC1
5 ай бұрын
Needing 200w+ delivered to the cpu is kind of niche usage. Most people will never need that even if they upgrade on am5. Especially as ryzen are rather efficient even on the high end (7900, 7950x3d). No need to overspend. A mobo like the decent b650m asrock one is fine for most for the next 8 years. If most people would actually buy only what they need, there would be less complaints about high prices and also we might also see prices drop. But people like to overspend money and complain about it as if they were forced to. Of course, if you use your PC for heavy workloads (not gaming), you'd better buy a mid range 200$ b650 one to be safe.
@PineyJustice
5 ай бұрын
@@PalaC1 Nobody knows, not only do we have zen 5 coming, but zen 6, perhaps zen 6 doubles the core count and does something about the thick IHS, like raising the cpu up like intel did with the i9 7980x3 skylake-x series with a second pcb under the IHS to get the core closer to the surface. If AMD did this, they could push zen 6 with 32 cores to 300-400w like intel is doing. Who knows, intel may come out with something competitive and AMD may be forced to chase higher power like intel has.
@807800
5 ай бұрын
@@PineyJustice Zen 5 is already confirmed to be an 8-core CCD. So, you can expect the 3D chip to have the same or lower TDP than 7800X3D, so if you're on the budget, this cheap motherboards would be enough for the foreseeable future upgrade.
@PineyJustice
5 ай бұрын
@@807800 I said zen 6, not 5. In 20 years of building computers and helping people fix them, I don't think a single time have I ever seen someone happy they cheaped out on their motherboard or psu. To go from the very cheapest mobo and psu to good stuff, we're talking like an extra 100-150$ here, save up a little longer since these parts last multiple generations.
@voss0749
5 ай бұрын
If you are buying a $100 mobo you are not normally overclocking.
@QuentinStephens
5 ай бұрын
It's just as important that you show us the bad products - the ones to avoid - as the good ones. Well done!
@AvroBellow
5 ай бұрын
Are they bad though? We're seeing these boards being used in a way that they were never designed to be and many of them still passed. Do you think that we'd be seeing these results in a gaming build with an R5-7600 or R7-7800X3D? I sure don't. I think that these boards would most likely be ideal for gamers, especially with their low prices.
@QuentinStephens
5 ай бұрын
@@AvroBellow The boards were tested in the ways they claimed they could be used.
@PineyJustice
5 ай бұрын
@@QuentinStephens None of them claimed they were specifically for running a 7950x, which they all did run with just fine. There is zero review on any features or quality aside from can the VRMs run a cpu that no sane user would ever put in this board.
@PineyJustice
5 ай бұрын
@@QuentinStephens Also, particularly with budget offerings, these are running a b650 chipset, not the budget a620 chipset, making this a low end product made of midrange parts, compromises have definitely been made to hit this lower pricepoint, if that compromise wasn't in the VRMs, where was it?
@jarnovilen5259
5 ай бұрын
@@AvroBellow You nailed it. These boards are bought and used with Ryzen 5 or max. 7. Not R9. To really give useful information to the audience these boards should have been tested with those CPUs and and mainly in gaming. This is what these boards are mainly bought and used for. This would have been very good information for the buyers. This review has very little value to anyone.
@vlmxs
5 ай бұрын
Never undersestimate the importance of quality MB review ;) just missing a single "M" letter in the naming can make a HUGE difference ;) Keep up the good work folks!
@visitante-pc5zc
5 ай бұрын
Yeah. It is disgusting that manufacturers do that.
@Knaeckebrotsaege
5 ай бұрын
The "M" is in 99% of the cases just a designator for microATX. Only difference here is that some manufacturers have chosen to make a microATX version with the same name as the fullsized one, but nerfing the VRM to the point where you wouldn't want to use the board for anything faster than a mid-range CPU (7700/7800X3D). That said whoever buys a 7950X and sticks it on a super-budget board probably should look into a different hobby anyway...
@PineyJustice
5 ай бұрын
It's actually a terrible motherboard review. The only thing reviewed is the VRMs in a way that no sane user would ever use them. How about testing them with say a 7600 or a 7800x3d and reviewing the actual features rather than torture testing them for hours with a 16 core cpu that costs 600$ in a 100$ motherboard.
@PineyJustice
3 ай бұрын
@@Knaeckebrotsaege "mid range cpu" then proceed to list the fastest gaming cpu on the planet. But that's what these boards are for, running a 7500f-7700x or a x3d chip. They're low end b650 boards, everyone forgets a620 is a thing, these are just a620 boards with extra features. Just like some x670 boards are b650 tier quality with the extra x670 features.
@NamTran-xc2ip
2 ай бұрын
@@PineyJusticeI use 5700x3d on a b350 perfectly. It makes sense to test the worst case scenario.
@zodwraith5745
5 ай бұрын
Some of those temps are even more alarming when you consider that the Arctic Liquid cooler is blowing air directly at the VRMs. If you're using any other AIO there's going to be little to no air moving across them. If the budget boards are this bad you can't easily claim you can get AM5 boards for as low as $120 unless you're shopping very carefully. Thanks for the heads up Steve.
@loadiam
5 ай бұрын
Bought a B650M-HDV/M.2 based on your recommendation, very happy with it.
@Flashv28
5 ай бұрын
Does PBO Work?
@GewelReal
5 ай бұрын
@@Flashv28ofc
@knightlydude777
5 ай бұрын
Do you use rgb? I red it doesn’t have rgb headers
@diamonshade7484
5 ай бұрын
Which cpu are you using?
@franzenvy
5 ай бұрын
@@knightlydude777 I do through my case's rgb controller, not having RGB header is imo the main issue with the board (if you care about that of course)
@SagazHero
5 ай бұрын
In Brazil they charge a very high premium for boards with integrated WiFi and Bluetooth. It would be awesome a benchmark for WiFi adapters that would also include a comparison between integrated top mobo, pci adapter and usb adapters. Average speed, range/distance from router capability
@Hardwareunboxed
5 ай бұрын
Sorry, but I'd rather fix bent pins than benchmark WiFi adapters.
@potatoes5829
5 ай бұрын
@@Hardwareunboxed agree, WIFI is an absolute pain
@Splarkszter
5 ай бұрын
Just buy pcie adapters that are wifi 6E or better. That also include decent antenas.
@WyattOShea
5 ай бұрын
@@potatoes5829 Yeah. It's cool to have but ethernet is the way to go imo.
@WyattOShea
5 ай бұрын
@@Splarkszter this is also an option
@TastidiousYabbie
5 ай бұрын
Most interesting motherboard review I've seen in a while. To be fair, not many places seem to review motherboards these days, and this round up offers up heaps of data. Great video! Love the work, thanks Steve!!
@roberthelcher2884
5 ай бұрын
I truly appreciate the work you put into these motherboard reviews. I refer to them often when building new systems. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to excellent content.
@ItzLnX
5 ай бұрын
Just had a build with the asrock b650m pro rs wifi (7600x). Amazing board for the price tbh in europe. Just updated the bios, turned on expo 6400mhz cl32 and selected the pbo on -20, 85c preset. Solid as a rock. Also performs like expected in cinebench. Kind of weird it lowers the power draw since it should be able to handle the full 200 ish watts like the other boards. Especially since voltage and frequency are the same. Could have gone for the "much better on paper" asus b650 plus wifi but the stability on (lower end) asus boards isnt very trustworthy (stability overall and memory speed, every new bios is a lottery, even the wifi had problems with lots of people). Another build with the asus x670e plus wifi is solid although a lot more expensive.
@alifahran8033
5 ай бұрын
One could say, that AsRock is solid as rock.
@MJFleming-pp9dc
3 ай бұрын
Me too! Price on that board was really good in Canada. And it worked great for VFIO
@HanSolo__
3 ай бұрын
I'm from Europe as well. In my place the B650 PRO RS Wi-Fi cost was outrageous. B650 PG Lightning ATX prices. I could choose only between crap-tier Asus B650 or ASRock A620M PRO RS. Happy with the second one.
@voca4846
5 ай бұрын
Thx for your work guys! I really dont understand why so many sleep on asrock boards. I currently have 2 systems with ASRock MB and they both just run perfectly. The ASRock B650E Phantom Gaming Riptide WiFi is paired with my wifes 7700X and my 7800X3D sits on a B650I Lightning WiFi and it works like a charm. I dont know why there are so few tests about the B650I.
@goldfries
5 ай бұрын
I would've given you a huge hug if I was still in ASRock, nevertheless I'm happy that you're happy with ASRock products.
@BigAndTattooed
5 ай бұрын
Riptide is a good motherboard that's what I have
@jarnovilen5259
5 ай бұрын
Probably because they have a history with cheap, very low quality products. It is good thing that they have improved but if you look like 5-10 years back all the worst (big brand) MBs on the market were Asrock models. And yes, they were horrid and the quality was poor. It is very hard and time consuming to gain good reputation but it is very easy to loose it very quickly and that is what Asrock did just a few years ago.
@maanmahmoud4537
4 ай бұрын
What about b650mt ASRock
@Matt-oq4jq
5 ай бұрын
The "C" suffixed boards are usually built to the standards of the California Energy Commission's "high expandability" category. AsRock made a B550-C that also had a boatload of PCIe slots, for example.
@iamdementedpccian
5 ай бұрын
I'd thought C letter in the Gigabyte board was for Crypto stuff lol. 😅
@Knaeckebrotsaege
5 ай бұрын
It's C for crypto (able to connect a ton of GPUs via risers, while sacrificing other features like LAN etc), nothing to do with california, but of course FUD like that gets upvoted to the moon... smfh
@LupusAries
5 ай бұрын
Can I just say that the rating is fokking stupid, one PHYISCAL (not electrical) PCIE x16 slot gets 75 points....SEVEN TIMES the rating of one M.2 slot....despite more than one x16 slot rarely being useful in any end-user context. You usually have one GPU, and the only other thing that I can think off is a card on which you place multiple NVME SSDs, which is something only run in HEDT systems for people that work with their pcs. Not something a typical home end-user does. A good expandability Layout for an end-user PC would be: 1 PCIE x16 slot 1 or 2 x4 slots (useful for say a 10G LAN card or a SATA extension card, or a card for one or two M.2 drives) 2 PCIE x4 slots (useful for a soundcard or an SATA extension card) (all spaced to be useable with a 3-4 slot Graphics card. and all electrical not just physical PCIE slots.) At least 2 M.2 slots for storage, better 3 or 4. 4 SATA ports, after all one still might need HDDs or some older SATA SSDs. 4 RAM slots No compromises, two slot boards are stupid! decent oboard sound at least 2.5G LAN, better 10G. Optionally WLAN. 3-4 USB 2.0 slots for input devices, 4 USB 3.0 for various devices, 2 USB 3.1 for quick storage, 1-2 USB 3.2 for even quicker storage. 1-2 USB 4.0 Good VRM, no shitty ones. Two-digit error/fault code display. That should be MANDATORY for easy error diagnosis. Dual Bios, so the board is not bricked if the BIOS/UEFI goes wrong. That is a current config, further technologies like optilink to be added as they become available to the end user. I have an MSI X570S Carbon Max Wifi and if I only calculate the PCIE slots and the M.2 slots I get 335 points, 455 if I add the SATA to the mix. But with only 4 physical not electrical PCIE slots and one M.2 you can almost match the much more useable config on my board. The X570S has 2 PCIE x16 slots (waste as they either run 8x and 8x or 16 and x4 via the board and the second is deactivated if M2_3 is used with a PCIE NVME SSD), 2 PCie x1, 4 M.2 slots M-Key, 1 e-Key PCIE (WLAN), 4 memory banks, 8 SATA slots (halved to 4 if M2_4 is used). Add to that 2 USB 2.0, 4 USB 3.0, 2 USB 3.1, 1 USB 3.1 C-type, 1 2.5G LAN connector, onboard sound (don't use it, have a soundcard) Politicians should shut the Fokk up and let us technicians write the standards! Speaking as a PC repair tech.
@Matt-oq4jq
5 ай бұрын
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Then why did they mention it explicitly on both pages? You can check Asrock's website.
@1Grainer1
5 ай бұрын
damn those J650 boards, so problematic
@fepethepenguin8287
5 ай бұрын
B650???
@1Grainer1
5 ай бұрын
@@fepethepenguin8287 it's a podcast reference
@benjaminoechsli1941
5 ай бұрын
Yes, give us a J-series and... maybe a Q-series for the other company? boards for budget builders that don't mind a cheaply-built board because midrange and budget chips don't need something stronger.
@SAFFY7411
5 ай бұрын
G650 works better. Where G=garbage. 😅
@PineyJustice
3 ай бұрын
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Do you one better, and it already exists. The A620 line. These are bottom tier boards using a midrange chipset, that's why they're fairly cheaply built.
@Ralipsi
5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the in dept review!
@05Cimbomlu05
5 ай бұрын
I was about to order my mobo for my new build and changed my decision based on this video. Thank you, great timing!
@t5kcannon1
5 ай бұрын
Very helpful video, Hardware Unboxed. Thanks! I'm running an ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F with a 7800X3D, and I am pleased with the combination.
@allroundrider8791
3 ай бұрын
What kind of RAM are you using? Got the Same components with the corsair vengeance 2x16GB. Only problem is the yellow Ram LED stays lit and i cant get into BIOS. Does anyone have a solution for this Problem?
@freeroamer6962
5 ай бұрын
It's one thing to assume someone who spends the fuzz on a Ryzen 9 is not going to scrape the bottom when it comes to their MoBo , it's another thing entirely to tell them they CAN use the boards, or that they are a great choice. Of course, anyone who has been around this stuff for any length of time will tell you, it's nothing new...
@Lynnfield3440
5 ай бұрын
Cheap boards can be good I used a 5900x with a B450 tomahawk max for a bit, and that board was only 50 euro.
@AshtonCoolman
5 ай бұрын
I'm glad I have a Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX Version 1.2(the version is very important for this board). Thanks for validating my purchase.
@UnluckyDomino
5 ай бұрын
Yes the version is important. Because Gigabyte downgraded the PCB to only 6 layers compared to 8 on the V1 but priced the same Just shitty Gigabyte things 😊
@ACE112ACE112
5 ай бұрын
@@UnluckyDominooof
@Gazer75
5 ай бұрын
The even more crazy thing here is that you used the Arctic LF3 AIO with a great VRM fan as well. Better than the older LF2 AIO.
@AH-video
5 ай бұрын
thank you for your quality work in calling out these products ... you guys are the best keep it up ❤
@meowmix705
5 ай бұрын
Couple things. (1) Anyone too cash strapped to buy a MB costing more than $100, probably isn't going to upgrade to a future Ryzen 9 tier CPU (this is a nothing burger). (2) ~$100 tier MB have always been known for being CRAP! Of course they come with feature limitations
@DigiMannen
4 ай бұрын
The thing is, there are 4 different versions of Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX. V1.0/1.1 have a Twin 14+2+1 Digital VRM Design, 70A Smart Power Stage, and AMD Wi-Fi 6E RZ616 PCB rev. 1.0/Intel Wi-Fi 6E AX210 PCB rev. 1.1 V1.2 have a Twin 14+2+1 Digital VRM Design, 70A Smart Power Stage, and Realtek Wi-Fi 6E RTL8852CE V2.0 have a Twin 12+2+2 Phases Digital VRM Solution, and Realtek Wi-Fi 6E RTL8852CE I can only find V2.0 new to buy now.
@Taikon_n
3 ай бұрын
yeah is a shame
@Joker_Reborn
5 ай бұрын
This is a great round up. Thank you for the work you all put into this!
@iikatinggangsengii2471
3 ай бұрын
time is o'clock
@abigaillilac1370
5 ай бұрын
This channel makes the best motherboard videos, you haven't led me astray. I got an MSI X670-P Wifi last year because of your video.
@ranggiarohmansani
5 ай бұрын
I bought B650M PG Lighting WiFi simply because it's the cheapest B650 Motherboard with WiFi in my country(about $150-$160), and the bonus it has PCI Gen 5 M2, Type C header and plenty of argb header, I'm personally not a fan of 105+ watt tdp single chiplet processor, was move from x570 + 5800X and hate it because it running hot and need to be undervolted, and now I use 7500f and running with 7200mhz xmp ram with PBO -30 offset with no problem, had similar performance from my previous setup, so I guess it fit for my needs and couldn't be more happier.
@damienk2372
5 ай бұрын
Guys a heads up for new users, if you want to run XMP ram speeds on your new DDR5 motherboards you much use just 2 sticks of Ram. Do not buy 4 sticks due to a sale or something and expect to run XMP speeds it is extremely unlikely to work. All the best Damo
@OneSpicyPringle
3 ай бұрын
I'm happy with the *Asrock B650M PG Lightning* . I'm using it with a 7800X3D and DDR5 7000. System booted fine first try. This board also has 3 ports M.2 storage and an extra port for wifi
@aaroufit
2 ай бұрын
Better than hdv m2?
@OneSpicyPringle
2 ай бұрын
@@aaroufit HDV-M2 vs PG Lightening M.2 sockets 1 vs 3 Rear USB ports 7 vs 8 Power phases 11 vs 9. Seems like HDV would be better for more powerful overclockable CPU's. Personally I'm a fan of having many M.2 ports
@孫垂正
5 ай бұрын
Your videos are very helpful for purchasing B650 board, thank you.
@Deinorius
5 ай бұрын
I would love to see idle power consumption measurements of boards as especially AM5 seems to differ extremely. Some use gets 30 W with the H/M.2+ while another one with a different board gets 60 W. It's important to set the right buttons in the UEFI for best idle measurements. So we would need two different measurements for the best picture.
@stanisawborsa2784
5 ай бұрын
Would be nice to see similar test but with Ryzen 7500F, 7800X3D and 8700G APU
@marxman6896
5 ай бұрын
Happy to see ASRock returning to their rightful place as the cheap board kings. Of course with AM5, they're also the value high-end board kings (B650E Taichi Lite). It was a rough couple generations for ASRock.
@shredder3034
5 ай бұрын
Love independent reviews from you guys!
@PokeStoryHarry
5 ай бұрын
B650 Elite is worth extra $50 for RAM OC and overall cool system for longer period usage
@UnluckyDomino
5 ай бұрын
B650E Steel Legend is the same price. Asrock has better memory OC than Gigabyte on AM5 B650 TUF Plus also the same price Asrock and ASUS also release BIOS updates a lot earlier than Gigabyte. No point paying the same price for a subpar package
@PokeStoryHarry
5 ай бұрын
@@UnluckyDomino What is ur ram config? Steel legend RAM QVL is up to 7600MHz, though 8 layer board is enough, (Tuf plus seems 6 layer board)
@XykcTepa
5 ай бұрын
Gold standard of MB reviews! Thank you for the effort!
@sniperganso
5 ай бұрын
unfortunately the most important aspect of the video (for me) was not included: Ryzen 7600 and 7800X3D were not tested so we cannot verify the impact of the boards' crappiness. Your point is valid that it is inexcusable that they advertise support for Ryzen 9 170W parts while not delivering it, but realistically for me and most of your audience, I want to know if I can have peace of mind with regards to choosing mobos for a 7600 or 7800X3D that I might buy. Based on the video I did not learn that information so I still don't know if I would be fine with a $150 mobo or if I really need to go to the 200-300 range just so I can stay clear of issues. I know it is a lot of extra testing to test more processors but that data would be very valuable for everyone
@TheRealFenwick
5 ай бұрын
Please do a breakdown of am5 itx!
@emanuelmayer
5 ай бұрын
Thank you, I now put the ASRock B650 PG Lightning (ATX) on my to-buy-list for future upgrades. Nice.
@Aurora1337onYT
5 ай бұрын
Just 5 Hours ago i was looking at some B650 Boards for next Upgrade, good timing! I have settlet for these two but ill wait for Price reduction and Updates for next Gen Support! (If it will happen) Asrock B650E Taichi Lite ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI
@ralphwarom2514
5 ай бұрын
Get x670 boards. Highly recommended. Asus x670 prime WiFi is good. Buy whichever. But I'd avoid all b650 boards.
@Aurora1337onYT
5 ай бұрын
@@ralphwarom2514 The Asrock has incredible Vram idk why its branded as B650 at this Point its literally better than alot of x670s..
@tomstech4390
5 ай бұрын
@@ralphwarom2514 X670 is just B650 with another promontory chipset. 4 lanes come in.... 4 lanes go out, its a daisy chain like a USB hub in 2005. B650 still gets 2x NVME from the CPU (potentially PCIE5) plus another NVME from the chipset which is enough for most people. Even if you get an X670 with 2x NVME from the chipset.. they're still both connected to the cpu by pcie4 x4 downlink.
@SpartanDiab
3 ай бұрын
I bought the msi b650m-p before seeing this video and have a ryzen 7900 in there, I feel the board is fine for it and the m.2 I have currently but I also don't run the cpu above about 105 watts under load for my work tasks. I can see why it might be a bad board but if I were going for an X or super high wattage build i'd probably avoid all motherboards at the £100 range anyway.
@EthicalAllele
5 ай бұрын
Your motherboard guides are so crucial for people building new systems. The sea of different motherboards, all with slightly different model names, is so confusing to navigate on my own. Your testing sorts out the best value motherboards very effectively, and can be easily referenced again later when prices change. Thanks for putting in this work!
@nykraftlemagnifique
5 ай бұрын
crapy crap ! You're the best for this kind of review ! We need this kind of motherboard review, thank a lot for your work.
@dystopia-usa
5 ай бұрын
I've been happy with my MSI MPG B650 EDGE WIFI motherboard build. It's a step-up from their MAG TOMAHAWK WIFI B650 board, which is also a pretty good motherboard (I used the B450 version of it back in the day on my 3700X build).
@AZI3623
5 ай бұрын
I was about to purchase the Gigabyte B650M Gaming WiFi. Thanks for saving my money 👍🏻
@UnluckyDomino
5 ай бұрын
Just stay away from Gigabyte forever 😂 Shit software, slow updates, mid hardware, oblivious support team
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns
5 ай бұрын
Gigabyte is bad avoid them, along with ASUS
@unspoken7704
3 ай бұрын
This type of information is hard to come by. Thank you for bringing us quality content.
@horstsparta4122
5 ай бұрын
I usually buy cheap crap tier boards since I don't tax my components much, but it would be cool if prices these days reflect the quality :(
@pcdog8903
5 ай бұрын
Uhh…I hate having to try to figure out if a MB is actually good. So few reviews on MB. Thank you HUB for your excellent work!
@scareybailey
5 ай бұрын
Arguably better to review the trash than the best. Great job Steve!
@b_s_p_k
5 ай бұрын
thank you for motherboard reviews, almost no one make this information so much structural
@curryking1
5 ай бұрын
seriously the price of am5 boards is so fucking insane, i just went to am4 instead and got a 5800x3d even for a build i did just a month ago, and my other builds are 5950x, theres like zero reason to get am5 until the boards are not expensive as shit lol!
@Littleandr0idman
5 ай бұрын
Remember when midrange mobos were $80-$100? I bought my asus b350 prime plus for around $90 in 2017 and I’m still using it today
@kaseywakefield5641
5 ай бұрын
Thanks Steve. Love ya work
@fernandoteacher
5 ай бұрын
I just finished my new upgrade two days ago with the MSI PRO B650M-A wifi. Outstanding board, impeccable performance, and none of those things that many said about the slow boot times, etc. It blew me away (paired with a Ryzen 7 7700)
@PrincessofKeys
4 ай бұрын
Thats the one some people recommended me on pcpartpicker list is it really not that bad of a board? I see that it is cheaper than the ASRock pro rs with wifi. Ill just be usign a r5 7600 or 7500f if I decide to get that one.
@fernandoteacher
4 ай бұрын
@PrincessofKeys so far, so good. Everything has run smoothly and flawlessly since day one. I will say the one thing I didn't like so far is the bluetooth, it seems very weak and you need to be really close to the pc to be able to use, for example, wireless headphones. Other than that, amazing motherboard
@DDHDTV
5 ай бұрын
Like and comment to support the video. Thank you for your motherboards test. They are the most extensive reviews for sure. I never realised you hadn't reviewed the B650M Pro RS. Its already highly recommended the last view months on Reddit in various PCbuilding subs. The HDV/M.2 remains the budget king. What would be the first budget choice if you need wifi? Or should we kinda buy our own wiif module and insert into the HDV/M.2?
@potatoes5829
5 ай бұрын
If you absolutely need wifi, I would buy the hdv/m.2 and add your own wifi chip. The new AMD motherboards come with the mediatek/amd mt7921 chip (marketing name: rz608/rz616) which is awful. I personally find intel wifi chips to work most reliably (tho make sure you get a PCIE version, and also an antenna). That being said, in my experience even a gigabit ethernet connection will be a far nicer experience than even the nicest wifi chipset (especially in terms of reliability).
@DDHDTV
5 ай бұрын
@@potatoes5829 oh I'm with you.. I'm on cable myself but get asked about wifi parts very often. Also I don't know about reliability I guess? And then buy antennas extras, or does the HDV/m.2 comes with antennas? (I know it has the connections) So I'd add something like a AX210
@potatoes5829
5 ай бұрын
@@DDHDTV some wifi chips come with the antennas I believe it would be something like "ax200 desktop kit" or you could buy the antennas separately
@tomstech4390
5 ай бұрын
Asrock are still blacklisting any reviews who call them out on their bullshit so no buildzoid or hardware unboxed.
@ffnbbq
5 ай бұрын
I think the Asrock B650M HDV/M.2 will be remembered as an extremely good value AM5 board that can handle just about any AM5 CPU... so long as Asrock keeps up with bios updates. They would probably be keen to push new customers to more expensive boards with roughly the same capability for the next Ryzen generation.
@niyazcool1
5 ай бұрын
Superb content .thx for the hard work 🥰
@shadowblade1942
5 ай бұрын
this is also with the liquid freezer aio that has a vrm fan, so some of the ones that are close to throttling will do so with less airflow going over them.
@Mangokr
5 ай бұрын
To note, Gigabyte also released quietly refreshes of Aorus B650 Elite AX (and non AX) called Aorus B650 Elite AX (non AX) V2, with the PCB nerfed to 6 layers and the board cost pretty much the same... 🤨
@Mangokr
5 ай бұрын
@@vdis i don’t know, noticed few days ago when i wanted to get one and was out of stock, then the v2 appeared in my country.
@kingplunger6033
5 ай бұрын
interesting, good thing I got mine a year ago
@ranjitmandal1612
5 ай бұрын
😮😮
@chaboinas
5 ай бұрын
@@kingplunger6033 mee too, very happy with it.
@jeetuag
5 ай бұрын
These board are not meant for even Ryzen 7 despite all absurd claims by manufacturers. But not that bad for Ryzen 3/5. Pricing for most would drop to near 100$ in couple of months.
@RyanLBC
5 ай бұрын
boy i dodged a bullet. i'm glad i spent the extra money and got the b650 aorus elite ax instead of the gaming wifi for my 7800x3d. thanks for your work in testing these boards.
@AshtonCoolman
5 ай бұрын
I spent the extra for that board too. The specs on the budget boards were a bit too budget for my tastes 😂
@kingplunger6033
5 ай бұрын
Thats also the board I went with
@sleeppppp
5 ай бұрын
You think its worth it? In the same predicament ordering parts for my pc after not upgrading for a long time.
@RyanLBC
5 ай бұрын
@@sleeppppp yeah do not go cheap when it comes to am5 boards
@turambar304
5 ай бұрын
@sleeppppp I got the aorus elite ax. Nice board for sure.
@danthebit8509
5 ай бұрын
perfect, i was going to buy a new motherboard with a limited budget and you conveniently uploaded a video suited to guide me, i consider it one of the many synchronicities i experience every day
@N0N0111
5 ай бұрын
It's very insulting to me that almost all big KZitem tech channels are not doing motherboards reviews anymore. Even the ones that are called ffin "Gamers Nexus" you don't need to have a motherboard for gaming? Just endless of PC cases??? I am utterly annoyed and Hardware Unboxed is keep the standard high for all of them!
@LarsaXL
3 ай бұрын
This is why I'm still running an old rig. They've managed to make it not fun to upgrade. Used to be you just spent the same money you did on your last PC and got a significant performance upgrade. These days you have to wade through a jungle of false advertising and products that seem to be intentionally worse than they could be, and you're not even getting lower prices for this shit.
@partycrasher093
5 ай бұрын
What about Eagle AX from Gigabyte?
@Hardwareunboxed
5 ай бұрын
It's a $180 US board. I hope it's good.
@kekw9716
5 ай бұрын
@@Hardwareunboxed I've been using it in my new PC for ~2 months. but the fact it uses 1Gbps LAN makes me feel weird, even though I will never use this speed. (its $155 for me)
@pokka626
5 ай бұрын
Just got a bundle of B650M D3HP AX paired with ryzen 7600x and Radeon 7800xt. Looking forward to it
@kissehfodasso
5 ай бұрын
So you're sponsored by ASUS eh?
@issackidd8117
5 ай бұрын
Emotional damage!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@adamsleath
5 ай бұрын
this exact type of perf. testing on motherboards is sorely needed (by people like me who want to actually make a decision on a board) i wish there were more such presentations. thanks. I also appreciate the ones you have done in the past for other platforms.
@GetYourGunsASAP
5 ай бұрын
This is a great piece, thanks a bunch
@isaiahv213
5 ай бұрын
ASRock B650 Pro RS mATX owner here, few months in so far and no issues, running a 7600x+7800xt+32 6000 cl30. Hoping to get one last am5 upgrade with it a few years down the road.
@FrodeBergetonNilsen
5 ай бұрын
Love your doing this, thanks. This is really helping the community. I did follow your last round of advice, and ended up with an Asus board that is screaming, as in coil whine. I would love if you made your testing methodology to be able to run these boards at load and in idle, with hardly any fan and pump noise, and if you could report on the coil whine. I use the hdv/m.2 as well, and it is dead silent. That means, that since I lucked out and found a 3060 with no whine, my system is now virtually silent, even at full throttle, when air cooled. I actually need to check if the fans are spinning, to tell if it is on or not, as there is no other way to know. I know you don't tend to point it out, but basically all the users I interact with, need WIFI. Again, the hdv/m.2 support this, if you get like a Intel solution for it. Some of the boards at hand, do not really support WIFI, unless you want to block the airflow of your GPU, and some really do not support it at all. Sure I can figure this out on my own, but this is a feature in higher demand among all the users I face, than what you do in your reviews. Again, I love your doing this, but if you could test these in under real and silent solutions for coil whine, I would really appreciate it. Those who want to know dead silent (r7 7700): Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 moderate whine, particularly at idle (all cpus): Asus TUF GAMING B650M-PLUS WIFI
@milan425
5 ай бұрын
Six years ago I got AsRock b360 Pro board you recommended. This year I getting new PC, and I'm definitely pick stuff from your recommendation list.
@twisted-t
5 ай бұрын
Monitor Tim and Motherboard Steve - what a team!
@50shadesofbeige88
5 ай бұрын
Congrats on 1Mil. You guys deserve every bit of your success.
@BeTheBestBeastt
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this! I've spent an unhealthy amount of times researching different boards from different brands to see what's worth the price, glad to see I'm not the only one asking the same question.
@TECHiSuppose
5 ай бұрын
Fantastic job on the video! Not something I've though about much because I don't tend to get the most power hungry components, but still very important knowing what you are getting. 👍
@rhynlock11
15 күн бұрын
love how this guys always seem to have the video I need when looking for upgrades! in my area the gigabyte b650m DS3H is just $4 more than the HDV m.2 so i'll be getting that one
@amielgotterdammerung7257
5 ай бұрын
promotes msi and blasts it at the same time , salute for the honest review !
@Spentalei
5 ай бұрын
The PG Lightning is an interesting board as it's the cheapest M-ATX B650 board with 3 M.2 slots by far. Only an A620 board is cheaper, but by like 5$ and you lose a chunk of features. The PG Lightning is an interesting board for a performant M.2 NAS. Good to see that the board doesn't falter this test.
@riddlex
5 ай бұрын
I built my first gaming PC last year based on Steve's motherboard review of best B650 motherboards. I chose the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI Motherboard, and I have no issues till date.
@avishekmitra3698
5 ай бұрын
Glad I was able to Pick up an AsRock A620M PRO RS Wifi for an equivalent of $123 USD earlier this year. 3 m.2 slots, Wifi6, 3 argb headers, preinstalled IO shield and a solid VRM. The only downside is the absence of Curve Optimizer but AsRock has been kind enough to provide PBO and Voltage offset settings in the BIOS.
@estebanguerrero682
5 ай бұрын
This is why I follow this channel, full metrics, excellent reviews and 0 bullshit
@danmar007
5 ай бұрын
Why are there so many MATX AMD boards compared to Intel?
@iBeast_M0de
5 ай бұрын
It’s insane that it get’s to these temperatures even with the active airflow from the Artic Freezer 3
@mickybaus6848
5 ай бұрын
The MSI B650M-B is available at the bigger Australian retailers. With currency conversion all the big name stores sell it at US$102.
@brianhahne9623
5 ай бұрын
Thank you Steve and the entire unblocked team, you definitely helped me out a bullet with a couple of those. I’m looking at building a new MATX system with a 7800 3-D.
@anorak8795
3 ай бұрын
Is it true that 7500f should do fine with a board like b650m B?
@Roland_Deschain
5 ай бұрын
Seems like only ASRock have put some serious effort on entry b650 boards.
@UnluckyDomino
5 ай бұрын
Yup Asrock stepped up. Gigabyte sank.
@knightlydude777
5 ай бұрын
It would to be nice to have a look on the new b650 Eagle and msi b650-s wifi too. You are really the only one who does this kind of reviews. Thank you so much for that!
@Descenter1976
5 ай бұрын
Asrock B650E Taichi Lite is by far my favorite board... all the power at a lower price! (Together with a 7800X3D, and a 7900XTX) And you have a BEAST for a fair price compaired to other motherboards combined with a intel CPU and 4090 GPU
@nommy124
3 ай бұрын
That’s what I went with. seems like a solid pick from seeing these in comparison
@marktackman2886
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the old school content!
@alexndre_d
5 ай бұрын
Here is the pricing in France for these boards, where they are all available : MSI Pro B650M-P : 129€ MSI Pro B650M-B : 115.94€ AsRock B650M Pro RS : 161.03€ (190.94€ for the WiFi version) AsRock B650M PG Lightning WiFi : 167.88€ AsRock B650M-H/M.2 : 120.94€ (the HDV version is 15€ more expensive) Gigabyte B650M Gaming WiFi : Unavailable for now Gigabyte B650M C V2 : Unavailable for now Gigabyte B650M K : Unavailable for now Gigabyte B650M D3HP : 142.62€ (the AX version is 12€ more expensive) What's interesting is that there are many gigabyte boards available here in France which you haven't talked about. Maybe they aren't called the same in every country ?
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