For anyone crying about the Touring being on the wetter side of the runway - We had the runway for a very limited time, cameras were setup to run Touring down the left. It was on the drier side when doing the rolling runs on the way back and the results were the same. Also, the braking tests (either side) showed the tarmac had the same level of grip on both sides. I can't control the weather and I can't afford to hire the runway for hours, we did a brilliant job with what we had. Find some tissues and get on with your Sunday 😘
@hornet99923
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree! those who don't like it don't have to watch it!👍
@shopgeo
Жыл бұрын
@@hornet99923 It’s not about liking or watching, it’s about setting a neutral environment to offer a fair / unbiased comparison…
@eugenux
Жыл бұрын
come on man, even if the tc stops as little as 2 or 3% of power in 1st but, mostly in second gear, it is enough to have an edge over the other car.
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
@@shopgeo I'd argue it's not fair complaining like a little bitch about free content... 🤔
@yousifshakoor6496
Жыл бұрын
@@JoeAchilles1 lol well said 😂
@antonoat
Жыл бұрын
Why didn’t you change lanes in the cars, the estate was in the noticeably wetter part of the track every time! Both rapid though! 👏😀👍
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
Lack of time to setup cameras. We did the rolling races in opposite lanes and braking tests showed both lanes had exactly the same grip.
@PQV-8898
Жыл бұрын
Touring! Estate is MB.
@NathanMannin
Жыл бұрын
Loved how synchronised they both sound even though the saloon is ever so slightly faster! Would be really interesting to see how much difference there’d be with the G80 M3 and the F90 M5!
@Kelveron
Жыл бұрын
Touring's side of the runway definitely seemed wetter! But great fun either way. The Touring is clearly every bit as much a weapon as the saloon. 💪🏻
@stevenfurayi8607
Жыл бұрын
what a race between these siblings. the sound that these two make 💯💯💯
@thefinestdetail7619
Жыл бұрын
You never struck me as the type of guy to give in to the keyboard warriors. Love your videos and will continue too but seriously don’t give into them. It will only ruin your own great reputation rather then theirs. Keep up the great content! 👌🏻
@Tobore
Жыл бұрын
Can’t believe how prices have gone up in the last few years, but thanks for the upload Joe….
@omnihein9322
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, blame inflation for that.
@mee_ehow5106
Жыл бұрын
Idk doing so many runs, but not changing lanes to eliminate wetness as a factor
@timnewbury1792
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jo Two considerations The touring is newer and perhaps tighter as yours has let's say been used In my opinion Nothing in it Great video Don't cancel your Touring Brilliant as always Thank you Tim
@cobratrinity
Жыл бұрын
Let's just take the time to appreciate how slick Joe's videos are. Editing on point. Get content as always Joe.
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@clementf3686
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe for this video.. As you said in the "8500 miles review video of your M3 sedan" you cannot argue with physics. Anyhow imo the touring looks much better in dark colours such as dravit or frozen black. Silverstone interior is stunning.
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@BryceBrown1
Жыл бұрын
Great comparison! Beaut sound with the two in harmony, interesting to hear the slight difference in shift times... Looking forward to more wagon content 👌 veeeery soon!
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MithunCJosef
Ай бұрын
I was deciding between the two for my next car. Touring it is (almost)!. Thanks Mat!.
@stevensink5544
7 ай бұрын
So cool I live in the US and we can’t drag race or any kind of race in the wet but you guys are racing 500 plus Horsepower cars in the wet is sooo Awesome!! I’ve owned a couple of xdrive 535’s (E60-F10) but the power difference is substantial. I know this is an older video but well done Joe what Amazing BMW’s
@kissgergo5202
Жыл бұрын
That shift sound clunk is so nice! I don't why but sound like there's some serious power behind that
@make.oxtail.cheap.again1
Жыл бұрын
The estate on the wetter part of the track in the opening scene
@kevincockburn7805
Жыл бұрын
Tourings really are the best shape of M3. Especially for anyone over 40. In a touring you don't look like you are trying to hard, a great all round package.
@rabelanichristophertshidad2425
Жыл бұрын
Wow!! the gear change sound happening simultaneously 🤗. I love both the cars
@aneebaba06
Жыл бұрын
LOL the ending!! That was hilariously brilliant.
@adamkhan5274
Жыл бұрын
Was just about to make a remark about the runway LOLOL. One anorak point id like to make is the saloons engine will be making a bit more power as its been well used and run in. Newer engines get looser and make more power with time. So id say based on that its a minute difference between the two cars.
@TheDailyDriven
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Been seeing the increase in quality on this channel 👏🏻. Keep it up Joe! Very interesting race between the G8x platform.
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@leemace9638
Жыл бұрын
If I had to choose which one to drive home in I’ll pick the touring every day 👍🇦🇺
@christopheredwards6727
Жыл бұрын
Also a factor is the Sedan is fully broken in and engine has settled.. the touring is still not fully bedded in and will stretch its legs fully in 4-7k more miles
@maheshsrigiriraju8757
Жыл бұрын
When the performance is so close, it makes more practical sense to pick the station wagon, if you are ok with a bit more cabin noise inside.
@marlborom2c829
Жыл бұрын
It's always raining where you live. Ever get any days of brilliant sunshine where you can drive proper?
@myporscheadventures
Жыл бұрын
very interesting 👌 I'm not even sure if I do really prefer the touring.. might be down to colour aswell, but your sedan just looks so perfect. can't wait to see your touring
@BRY4NFPS
Жыл бұрын
Considering the track was way wetter on the Touring side, the Touring did quite amazing.
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
When we did the rolling tests it was the other way around, also the braking tests clearly showed both sides had the same grip.
@JoshTheHeritageCollector
Жыл бұрын
Just love starting my Sunday watching epic cars drag race! Great content as usual, Joe and what a blast that must have been!
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mra8972
Жыл бұрын
Thats red interior is just so 👌
@pjmoody
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Joe. Amazing comparison.
@jagayong9333
Жыл бұрын
Great races! You might want to consider swapping sides after every race, like you did with the brake test, so both cars get to perform on different surfaces and a bit more fairness, in future drag races.
@davidhenderson3444
Жыл бұрын
Be good to see the race done again when you get the touring and parts fitted against a standard saloon
@ThomasJohnson-fr4gp
Жыл бұрын
Looks like so much fun. Brilliant content as always. Love these cars!!
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@darrenboston342
Жыл бұрын
Nice to see the 1200 mile running in part is being taken gently!🤔😂
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
It's a press car, they are always delivered Run in.
@clementf3686
Жыл бұрын
Joe... check the latest video of prior design channel! You have definitely chosen the best colour for the touring! it's stunning in dravit
@db21071979
Жыл бұрын
Is just the few extra kilos and drag coefficient that make the difference, that is all. Engines also have always small performance differences (is the way things are due to tolerances) between two "identical" units. The Touring is much more practical and more "sleeper".
@scottmuir2385
Жыл бұрын
Cracking Video Comparison - Cant wait to see yours soon as I reckon in Davit Grey will be epic!
@cjdtnns
Жыл бұрын
Superb Joe!...more like this please!...🙏🏻
@PhatTok
Жыл бұрын
Gear changes are almost in perfect harmony !
@alex_knight
Жыл бұрын
Great vid, hopefully see you at Goodwood somewhen this year 👍🏻
@bfg58simon
Жыл бұрын
Love the vid. Let’s see an Alpina B3 or B5 touring up against the M3. Torque versus BHP!
@ShogunsDojo
Жыл бұрын
seeing a lot of comments about how the touring is a downgrade or that people don’t get why BMW is making it. Essentially it’s just the same car with an even broader appeal and use case so the M3 is viable for a greater demographic of customers. Don’t think about it too hard, it’s existence only adds to the M3. Great video Joe.
@madpistol
Жыл бұрын
Dueling S58s.... you have the best job in the world.
@gertkroukamp1329
Жыл бұрын
Can't watch any further, because it kills me that the cars don't switch sides, you can see the touring kicking up a cloud of water!
@GT-Diaries
Жыл бұрын
Prefer the Touring any day, better looks, more practical and most likely better resale value over time.
@Gez492
Жыл бұрын
Should have dragged the RS4 competition vs the M3 Touring competition. They have different power delivery profiles so should be fun even if the RS is down on power.
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
We don't have any RS 4 Comps in the UK, it would have been absolutely destroyed either way, M3 is a chunk faster.
@Ar5had07
Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe no one picked up that the estate has the Driver Assistance Professional package optioned, so it’s heavier even more.
@taxfreecharlie
Жыл бұрын
Hey Joe…great content as always. Out of interest how many miles have each car done at this point..most of my BM’s started to open up at around 4/6k miles and continued too
@1961TopCat
Жыл бұрын
Couple of points. Andy looks a tad lighter than you, Joe! Also the Saloon is an older engine now, so perhaps develops a bit more power. It’s so academic, but the tourer is still my next order. Love it.
@jm9371
Жыл бұрын
The left side of the track was DEFINITLY wetter than the right side. Either way, fantastic fun video; I think your conclusion would have been the same.
@jonstenson2708
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been looking at these for last few years since you showed concept art . Order books open again now for December delivery . I’m tempted but it’s still £100k for a 3 series estate
@thambomathambo7146
Жыл бұрын
That's 911 money. 60k would have been reasonable. The prices will eventually come down.
@TrueFilter
Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous. What are you actually getting above an m340i with that? 40k for a bit more speed and stiffness.
@twojstary_666
Жыл бұрын
@@thambomathambo7146 if you manage to order one, currently wait time could be easily 18 months - not to mention that base 911 without any options are pretty meeh... Also the real power of new M3 is it's tuning potential - easily tuneable with just software over 750 HP.
@popsbubbles1242
Жыл бұрын
The start 😠 Why have two equal cars, one on very wet surface? When you had a hugely wide runway Surely it would be sensible to move both cars to the right
@JoeAchilles1
Жыл бұрын
Surely it would be sensible if you got off your lazy arse and showed us how's it done 👍
@popsbubbles1242
Жыл бұрын
@@JoeAchilles1 Easy, just place both cars to the right. The funny thing is you sensibly started in front of the white paint, which when wet can become like ice, esp. if your a biker. I will if that is an invite.
@mcwendel8066
Жыл бұрын
That wagon is beautiful!!
@domiwer
Жыл бұрын
The thumb rule I know about rotating mass is factor 5-8, so the 10kgs vs 85kgs would be quite close according to that
@iananderson5357
Жыл бұрын
What about the fact you were saying in your last video that you feel that basically your car is probably in the sweet spot where the engine has freed up and everything just feels a little better than when it’s new which the touring is so don’t be to hard on the touring yet🤔
@richardn.5548
Жыл бұрын
Great video idea, excellent execution!
@gorrdd
Жыл бұрын
Hey Joe, The great thing about hanging out with M3's... is that you can always return to M5's for some real fun!😉🙉 Gord
@eddietrich6257
Жыл бұрын
I guess if a hood can be a bonnet then a station wagon can be a touring car.
@rimmerblues1586
Жыл бұрын
In a previous comment i mentioned i'm lukewarm about the new 3er Touring, however that M3 Touring in Portimao Blue really pops in this dull weather, looks like a solid wagon 👍 Not only less weight off-the-line but also the aerodynamics must play a significant part in why the saloon was faster as the hatchback shape is likely to cause drag - hence why hatches suffer from more road-grime on the rear window than sedans thus needing a rear wiper. The cars made a great sound side-by-side.
@andrewsmith7636
Жыл бұрын
I would still love the touring i think they look better than the salon, i would like you to do your new m3 tourer against my 340i tourer to see what the difference is and is the extra cost worth it, so how about it mate lets see what the difference is 💪😇
@progressisbeautiful1541
Жыл бұрын
Joe, is it me or the surface for the estate was more under water than for the saloon? 💁♂️ Maybe you should switch from race to race.
@markhunt2486
Жыл бұрын
I never thought seeing 2 m3s drag racing could be so boring. Leave it to carwow
@TheoFennel
Жыл бұрын
Should have swapped sides. Clearly, the Touring was on a much damper side of the runway. Might of made a slight difference.
@izzy1798
Жыл бұрын
Touring looks nice Drain pipe Joe...keep up the good work s1000 RR boy looool . Keep up the work bruh
@gerrygeerinckx2576
Жыл бұрын
Why must be the touring start in the wet side of the track? Must be nice if you switch.
@Schuey_M
Жыл бұрын
Nice video Joe. Aside from the wetter side of the Touring which has already been covered in the comments, I do feel the extra advantage that the Saloon had over the Touring was not just down to the weight, but also because the saloon's engine is properly run in and loosened up with all the miles you have covered in it, and therefore gave it that little extra edge, more than the 0.1 difference BMW states.
@InfoAction_
Жыл бұрын
2:13 Just a quick note on the carbon ceramics although they are unsprung mass the performance boost in acceleration and breaking comes from the reduction in rotational mass
@maxwellmattison6224
Жыл бұрын
#JoeAchilles, in the second run if you're watching on 4K it sounds amazing like surround sound as the tow engines were just maybe 1 stroke off as they wailed down the race track. BRAVO! #e46DinanTouringX->
@iBladey
Жыл бұрын
Great video as always Joe. So glad i subscribed a few months ago.
@richardwreford4778
Жыл бұрын
Great vid Joe as always. Perhaps in time you could get Tony to do you an AC Schnitzer upgrade on your touring.
@bobstarr
Жыл бұрын
Great vid. Breaking in the engine will probably help.
@AUTOIDTV
Жыл бұрын
That frozen blue paint 🤤
@cameroncameron476
Жыл бұрын
Engine has loosened up nicely on GR11LEZ...cool video
@avishkarsingh744
Жыл бұрын
I will take a saloon shaped car over a touring car anyday. Looks way better
@134emps
Жыл бұрын
Another cracking vid joe. New shoes? What are they?
@t8polestarcyan22
9 ай бұрын
All in all I'll take the M3 Touring, RS4 Avant, E63 AvantGrade, V60 T8 or any nice station wagons OVER ANY SUVs! In general that is.
@ofentsetsipa1578
Жыл бұрын
Wish the Touring was coming to South Africa🔥
@rd.3696
Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to put a 335i wagon like mine with 500 hp+ for interest sake.2 wheel drive VS 4 wheel drive,lighter but less traction.👍
@donTomcyko
Жыл бұрын
What we really need is m340i vs m3🤣 ( well i need it because i own m340i lol)
@davidhayes4814
Жыл бұрын
The old TopGear did it…. Lap times when “Stars in reasonably priced cars” had disparity in weights of up to 60kg…. CARWOW do it when Matt is 35kg lighter than his main “driver”… you do it Joe, when you are generally 25kg heavier than other driver. I guess that you can’t do much about it, with your frame, other than cutting a leg off but let me introduce you all to the idea of sandbags….. used in other archaic sports.
@fredc9655
Жыл бұрын
One's got wetter dirtier side of road and one's got an engine well broken in already, and all that tires and weight differences, i guess that's pretty much the reasonable fact which manufacture claimed 0.1 sec diff.
@gmoneii1117
Жыл бұрын
Great comparison, mate!!
@andy_xtr3861
Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see which car is more aerodynamic in a wind tunnel.
@beenflying1
Жыл бұрын
Fun to watch. Thanks!
@matbell1514
Жыл бұрын
But…right….the touring had the wetter side of the track….😅
@mfcriz2561
Жыл бұрын
Wagon all day long! Outside shot sound is killer with both cars shifting at the same time. Both with Miltek would sound so cool!
@dwilson147
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to know if the "run in" on the saloon could make any difference too? Both cars are lovely, especially the interiors.
@Justrandomstufffrommarkmiller
Жыл бұрын
Love your videos that touring is just 👌🏻
@huh0123
9 ай бұрын
I mean… it makes sense that the sedan is faster than the wagon. It’s lighter weight.
@davidbillberg2203
Жыл бұрын
Nice Joe!! The Touring looks so good!
@MeijaJanis
7 ай бұрын
some time ago dealership offered test drive of g30 i was not impressed. months later i was wondering around in same dealership saw g31, week later i drove it home. there is something about tourings, Joe would know what i am talking about
@huseyinyaman3180
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant comparison and great to see how both these machines perform against each other. Given they’re so close performance-wise surely you’d have to pick the Touring over the Saloon due to its practicality?? Keep up the great work, Joe 💪🏼
@MsDeathangel956
Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one getting aroused by the syncing of the exhausts when they are accelerating 🥵
@scm7379
Жыл бұрын
M3 RWD vs M3 AWD vs wagon M3 AWD -- 1730kg vs 1780kg vs 1865kg!!! Big weight difference based on the 100% same engine!!!
@Timify27
Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to put both of them on the Dyno to see if they are making the same power.
@bigupthebeast
Жыл бұрын
Berry BMW one careful owner BMW m3 only 500 launches 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@johnmclaughlin2845
Жыл бұрын
I love how everyone is going crazy for the estate and cry about the 4 wheel drive system weighing 50kg heavier 😂
@darrenhunter1902
Жыл бұрын
What's the mileage on the touring ? Not worried about running it in etc before thrashing it?
@rustafwa8519
Жыл бұрын
Better to have a 3rd person to call the race. But good video, enjoyed it
@rampageashton
Жыл бұрын
I’ve got an X3M. I can’t see any reason to get the Touring
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