Johnny, could you tell us non EV driving folk real world, what that cost to do the whole trip please? Ie charging at home to back to home empty… ta 👍
@TheLateBrakeShow
2 жыл бұрын
Home charging tends to be cheapest, depending on your elec tariff. Mine probably filled this for less than £5. Rapid charging on the hop like this usually ends up costing between 35-50p per KWh. That rose sharply in the last 9 months, annoyingly. So ideally you want to slow charge at a depot or home, and task vans like this on journeys that won't need a charge, or can be charged during a manditry lunch break at depot or with rapid charge provider whom the company has a deal with.
@simonstokes6561
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLateBrakeShow Instavolt now 57p a kw😬
@craighennell5700
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLateBrakeShow yes but! To a complete novice, non EV driver like me… How much would that round trip have cost? I’m interested it working out. The difference between EV cost compared with derv 👍
@fbeale3537
2 жыл бұрын
It's not just the price of the charge to consider, if your working the down time while the van charges is costing you money.
@timrawlings1511
2 жыл бұрын
@@fbeale3537 As Johnny said in the video that totally depend on what you use your van for for the minority of trips. I us my Nissen env200 as a handyman van and charge it at home over night or from solar at the weekend. I there for have less down time charging it then I had with my old van and going to fill it up at a petrol pump. If you are doing longer trips a lot that need a rapid charge then yes there will be down time or at lest time you can use to do paper work that would need to be done anyway as it charges.
@izzieb
2 жыл бұрын
How the hell will we draw crude things on white vans if they no longer have diesel soot on the back of them?!
@TheLateBrakeShow
2 жыл бұрын
True fact. 'I wish my husband woz this dirty' etc.
@matthewmason8982
2 жыл бұрын
Marker pen? “I wish my Mrs was this quiet”
@MrOvershoot
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLateBrakeShow Most vans don't get sooty its just road grime, so we can still make comments that Dan the driver has a misses that's dirtier than his van
@dashcam2417
2 жыл бұрын
When is the last time you saw diesel soot on a modern , regular serviced euro 6 van .... Answer is never.
@martinlewis967
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmason8982 I assume that your missis didn’t see that😂
@yt_Ajay_
2 жыл бұрын
I love how reviews on this channel tend to feel like documentaries. It always feels like I'm learning something.
@RAFchurchlawford4469
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, learning how NOT to drive. Frequently taking your eyes of the road is not clever, nor is driving one handed. Apart from that he's great.
@wowmanhaha
2 жыл бұрын
@@RAFchurchlawford4469 Are you part of Bomber Command?
@markvbickley
2 жыл бұрын
Surely you mean like an 'advertisement'!
@SunnyJim93
2 жыл бұрын
The "fuel card" idea and billing work for your home charging are genius. This is why Ford just get commercials don't they.
@sahhull
2 жыл бұрын
I like cash... hate cards and electronic payments
@darmou
2 жыл бұрын
@@sahhull But then you have to go back to the boss with all your receipts, er no thanks.
@georgimihalkov4781
2 жыл бұрын
Using the air conditioner...the sacrifices he makes for his job are immense.
@MrOvershoot
2 жыл бұрын
Yes he didn't bite when I asked 😉
@CiBi1968
2 жыл бұрын
Should have put it straight up against the bulkhead via the side door .😟 Then if you slam the brakes on in an Emergency it's not going to slide up the bed and slam into that thin steel sheet of a partition behind you . Bad mistake 😔
@robertallen3441
2 жыл бұрын
True story, my late Dad collected a new engine for a tractor in a virtually brand new mk 1 Transit in the 60's. No side door those days, so it had to sit between the wheelarches. No tie down lugs, so was roped to the supports on each side. Halfway home he had to do an emergency stop, van stopped, engine didnt. Van sides were like a hour glass. Sides got pushed out, but the van never looked right again.
@domefford864
2 жыл бұрын
Also handles better with the weight in front of the rear axle. The van and side door is designed to take a pallet. As a tradesmen/van driver for 30 years, I wouldn’t buy this van if it was half the price.
@888johnmac
2 жыл бұрын
lol , glad i'm not the only person who thought this
@GregsMowing
2 жыл бұрын
If it was behind the bulkhead and he accelerated hard it could go flying to the back doors and mysteriously fall out if doors not shut right. Bulkheads are strong now, just needs people to now how to use a ratchet strap.
@CiBi1968
2 жыл бұрын
@@GregsMowing You load a Van from the front to the rear . When you see an Curtain side Artic drop any load from the front they always move the load to the front again. I have lost track of how many times in 30yrs of driving a Forklift that I have had to re-arrange a load for a driver to make it safe.
@Miata822
2 жыл бұрын
Rather than going for the sexiest/fastest/most efficient/most costly sound system/ugliest grille/4-wheel-steering/proprietary charging/number of seat massage/0-60/Nurburg laps, Ford focuses on practical, economical, solutions to people's transportation needs, just like they have done for over 100 years.
@bubba842
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad they do in Europe, because they don't In North America.
@tonyshipton8896
2 жыл бұрын
With a tiny range
@njk9989
2 жыл бұрын
What? Are you saying the massaging seats in the new Mercedes EV is over the top? More practical than picking up a new friend for a hand massage with a happy ending then being tossed in the pokey ROTFL
@Steve-nu8xt
2 жыл бұрын
Real world test - bit of fly tipping, reverse into a NatWest, load 2 tons of loose gravel in the back..
@MattyEngland
2 жыл бұрын
... Once fully charged, steal the charging cable for the copper content
@garyhalkon8749
2 жыл бұрын
Once again Jonny hits the nail on the head. I'm all for an EV society. Of course there will always be pros and cons towards them, such as expensive to buy and the range isn't as good as it's ICE equivalent but they would slot into a daily routine for companies such as Royal Mail and Euro Car Parts, small route driving and back to the depot. Would like to see more EV commercial reviews along with the ever popular barn finds! Top job as always!
@garyhalkon8749
2 жыл бұрын
@@Taz1451 I do agree partly with retrofitting, however would it benefit the remaining life expectancy of the vehicle it has been fitted to or would it be false economy? Good and bad points to everything, but not everyone would want to retrofit, even to an relatively young vehicle.
@georgedaville4662
2 жыл бұрын
For a high percentage of daily deliveries, EV is the answer. Great review Jonny, you showcased this vehicle perfectly. Glad you picked up on the touchscreen angle, I noticed it from the off. I personally find touchscreens very distracting! I think Ford have a winner here, just a pity it is not made in Southampton! At least Stellantis are investing in the UK for EV manufacturing. 👍😎
@domefford864
2 жыл бұрын
After the 3 year lease then what? Be interesting to see how Amazon get rid of their ev fleet. Would you take on a ev van with 80k on the clock with no warrant?
@TimInertiatic
2 жыл бұрын
@@domefford864 people do it every day with ICE vehicles which have far.more that can go wrong. Don't see the issue...
@evilmario6061
2 жыл бұрын
@@domefford864 I'll take 10 please
@rampanttwattery4844
2 жыл бұрын
Ford appear to have nailed this. Great engineering and lots of thought about real world usability. Could be a game changer.
@ludwigkranzlein9893
2 жыл бұрын
Only shortcoming in my opinion are the towing capabilities.
@carholic-sz3qv
2 жыл бұрын
@@ludwigkranzlein9893 it’s definitely not made for towing
@PiOfficial
2 жыл бұрын
@@ludwigkranzlein9893 See plenty of big vans without tow bars anyway. We tow a lot in groundworks and in landscaping but delivery drivers/kitchen fitters/flooring/locksmiths/ may never need to tow anything’s
@matthewmason8982
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how quickly Sabine could’ve got this transit around the Nordschleife. RIP
@richardharrold9736
2 жыл бұрын
It's a much bigger, taller van than the one she hustled round the Ring. The equivalent to that now is the small FWD one which is unrelated to this.
@Rhyd
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardharrold9736 weight is all down low though, so could see faster cornering. Bet she would have loved the new ev van
@richardharrold9736
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rhyd hmm, maybe, but it’s much wider and much longer too... I still think the smaller van would be a much better Ring tool. At Silverstone (wide, flat and fast), this might work better.
@Rhyd
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardharrold9736 very true there are plenty of factors. The lack of needing to change gears etc. I bet it’ll still be a right laugh around a track though 😅
@richardharrold9736
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rhyd also, Sabine was no fan of the Green movement, she was actively campaigning against windfarm developments in the Eifel... so what she'd think of of EVs I don't really know!
@thecremeegg
2 жыл бұрын
Good to see it's rusting underneath already!
@richardharrold9736
2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't be a Transit if it didn't rot faster than an overripe windfall apple...
@DEADB33F
2 жыл бұрын
Hope they release a dual motor 4x4 verison. Would make a great adventure van / camper conversion.
@davejenvey3598
2 жыл бұрын
You can't carry electric with you. But Jerrycan.
@leedstown
2 жыл бұрын
It would have a range of 10 miles
@shanestewart4905
2 жыл бұрын
Hmm, a visit a charger three times a day adventure van.
@jamesellsworth9673
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. Camper conversion replaces cargo load. 4x4 has been my go-to drive train for decades of wet, snowy road trips, as well as for added traction on curves.
@DEADB33F
2 жыл бұрын
@@leedstown Why? The second motor would be disengaged most of the time. I mean yeah, it'd be eating into your load capacity a bit, but wouldn't be using any leccy unless you engaged it for off-road use.
@willum223
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who often clocks up 250 motorway miles a day in a Transit Custom, this is an interesting one. It’ll make a lot more sense when cheap chain hotels offer charging though.
@Brian-om2hh
2 жыл бұрын
It'll come. It has to.....
@DEADB33F
2 жыл бұрын
Are you doing so fully loaded? If not then in the future I'm guessing you'll be able to sacrifice some cargo capacity for an extended range battery. ...Something like that might be useful for those whose vans carry lower density loads but over longer distances.
@logicalChimp
2 жыл бұрын
@@DEADB33F Unless you're talking fitting a secondary battery or similar, the reduced weight won't significantly impact range once up to speed on the motorway (mass is a killer in stop-start traffic because it takes more energy to get it moving... but once it's up to speed it take very little effort to maintain that speed)
@alabar9795
2 жыл бұрын
If by interesting u mean adding 2 3 hrs to your day any paying insane amounts of money for fast charging
@flyingpanhandle
2 жыл бұрын
@@alabar9795 The cost of fast charging for that battery pack is still cheaper than a tank full of diesel.
@jwvandegronden
2 жыл бұрын
Mate, you're amazing. Curious, investigative, and you automatically extend your visit to the salvage yard and have readily available information that makes your shows that much more engaging and entertaining! Other than the exceptional EV, I think that was on of the highlights of this video! (9:28) Please do more of those, I think it illustrates perfectly what it means to use a certain vehicle. doesn't have to be limited to vans, although they beg for it of course. Help someone move with a car, collect a dish washer, etc. Plenty of silly every day examples that suddenly become jewels of television (if YOU do it of course ;-) Absolutely riveting episode. Well done man!
@fabvee
2 жыл бұрын
I always learn more from a JS vehicle review - thorough, professional, informative. Keep up the good work Jonny.
@emil.soderholm
2 жыл бұрын
I worked for a car parts shop as a delivery driver for 2 months this summer and I would have loved this e-Transit instead of the slow and loud diesel Transit I drove. Good job Ford!
@martinnilsson5295
Жыл бұрын
Hope u wont need go to far Emil. Motorväg funkar ej
@jamest5149
2 жыл бұрын
A 25%+ bigger battery / range and a 22kw charger would really open this type of van up to more.
@kinross24
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid on the eTransit and in depth. One thing i noticed Ford have missed and I’m sure if the great Sandy Munro had it up on a ramp as you showed on the rear suspension shot, they have lots of space under the rear floor area, behind the drive/suspension unit and rear valance to have a sunken rear underbody storage area as in Tesla MS etc? Small hatch in the rear floor area. Also, I noticed in the American version there’s two 230v a/c outlets in the rear. Will they add these to the UK vn as well as Vehicle to Load/Grid option? Having this electric power options to power electric tools, charge hand power tools etc etc would be a great advantage v other brands.
@TheLDunn1
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, its called Pro Power Onboard, it is located inside the cargo bay on the right hand side between wheel arch intrusion & the rear cargo door 2.3kw output, two UK plug sockets
@neilbrown5657
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously 150 miles to a charge on an empty van Won't even cover my first trip on Monday of 210 miles one way
@MattyEngland
2 жыл бұрын
Come on, what van driver wouldn't enjoy adding 3 hours to every working day, sat looking at a battery progress bar? 😉😂
@Mtthwpez
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I want to see what it'll do half full, let alone fully laden. I reckon you would be lucky to get 80 miles out of it!
@neilbrown5657
2 жыл бұрын
Can see it now First job Glasgow to Inverness that's 200 miles on monday When you need me there boss Tues or wed
@MattyEngland
2 жыл бұрын
@@neilbrown5657 lmao, or Thursday if you want the heater on 👍
@Brian-om2hh
2 жыл бұрын
So not suitable for you. But perfectly suitable for others....... A plumber or joiner, perhaps based in a large town or city, might never drive more than 40 or 50 miles in a day, if that......
@IsadoreWoW
2 жыл бұрын
Our company has just made the jump to order 5 E-transits to do central London chilled food drops, our fleet is of close to 100 vans almost nationwide so only a small portion but I'm sure testing will be done to expand. A big change in form as we've historically had Iveco Dailys. Really interested to see how they get on. I feel like the blue on the grille is like that plastic film you get covering new chrome and needs to be removed :D
@Richard482
Жыл бұрын
How's your company getting on with the new vans?
@COROLrave
2 жыл бұрын
As a self employed van owning Amazon driver, frankly the range is nowhere near viable at the moment. Amazon have their own small fleet of EV sprinters and are massively limited and only cover a mere 5% of coverage from my particular depot in Preston. Until you can Chuck 300+ miles in there then we’re barking up the wrong tree. We have to remember that the public have no real idea of a day in the life of a multi drop driver. You’re looking at 180+ drops on your own route, then more advanced drivers do extra. This is the norm. On average we’re talking around 120+ miles at an average of 35 mpg in a 109 Vito. These EV vans would struggle. Some vans in our depot do over 250 miles a day up to the Lake District . With such a large platform, why not shove a massive battery in there ? This is desperately needed as stop start is the perfect way to kill a van and I spend roughly £3000 a year in maintenance and around 30,000 miles.
@darwenrover8910
2 жыл бұрын
As well as steelies and a hi-vis vest, a copy of The Daily Star sitting on the dash against the windscreen would top it off 😂😂
@TheLateBrakeShow
2 жыл бұрын
It was in the above-cab cubby
@FirstDan2000
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I was expecting the van to have similar power sockets to the E150 that's just been released. These would be a big plus point for trades.
@Rob_Gater
2 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed this has come from Ford. The Charging card is great idea. I wonder if we will ever see it in Australia, or maybe they'll just keep dumping diesel rubbish our way.
@matpat2636
2 жыл бұрын
It really is quite clever. It can be set up so the delivery driver jumps out of the cab with the keys in his or her pocket, the windows close and the doors lock. The side sliding doors have foot activation for when your hands are full (although this has never been hugely reliable in the past, maybe it’s better now). And then when you walk back and open the front doors, the windows wind back down to their previous level and off you drive. No ignition. No sitting there idling. Ford have really thought about how these things are actually used
@graemeadamson7272
2 жыл бұрын
Don't know if anybody has heard about the latest trend amongst the thieving community - they're going around to charge points and chopping the power-supply cables out for the cooper internals. Can be weighted in for scrap . I saw a video recently on KZitem of a man reporting this , he mentioned that a Porsche garage in the Leeds area had recently been the victim of said crime , turns out there's approximately 70 to 80 quids worth of copper in each charge- point cable , while the Porsche garage would be forking out 80 to 100,000 quid for damage caused. What a wonderful country we live in.
@jabberwockytdi8901
2 жыл бұрын
It rides better when unladen because it's heavier in the 1st place !
@MattyEngland
2 жыл бұрын
MUCH heavier
@Jack-cu7rl
2 жыл бұрын
@4:51 do I see rust on a brand new van?
@tomhicks1608
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. Euro car parts on the Isle of Wight have trialed a few different electric vans (Nissan env200, Renault Kangoo E, vauxhall vivaro E and the maxis E deliver 3) and we found them to be ideally suited to the needs.
@evilmario6061
2 жыл бұрын
Not surprising, on the island! Great to hear, though
@Schlipperschlopper
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly soon all combustion cars and trucks including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Car washs will be forbidden too because they are climate killers, now they want to slow down all the gas station pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. (BABVVEN & TEBBVEN & BEFVO laws)!!
@James-semaJ
2 жыл бұрын
There's nobody else I'd watch on KZitem chatting while driving a van down a road. Quality as always Jonny!
@Jin-Ro
2 жыл бұрын
@george ion It's an advert, not a review.
@iansteward9193
2 жыл бұрын
I wish someone would do a real world range test with a full load.
@gasdive
2 жыл бұрын
The load makes almost no difference as long as you don't put stuff outside the van like ladders on the roof. The coefficient of rolling resistance is nothing compared to the aero drag on something like this. Doubling the all up weight would probably only cut the range by 5% or so. Having the windows open would make more difference.
@stuartjohnston1086
2 жыл бұрын
Good effort from Ford. I'll admit I was skeptical but Ford has got a good combination of range, performance, capacity and price.
@Smoovindecat
2 жыл бұрын
Seems great! The screen should definitely lean towards the driver a bit. And I really don’t think touch screens should replace all the buttons in a car or van. Some things like heat or volume are so much easier to just turn up or down without looking. Are electric vehicles eco friendly after the mining? I’m sure someone’s compared the ecological damage to diesel and electric.
@luc_libv_verhaegen
2 жыл бұрын
More so than pumping up vast amounts of dinosaur juice, then boiling that, taking one fraction of the result, driving this around to bring to special distribution centers, then pumping that into the final tank, and then burning it in a complicated way to only use 20% of the energy the final product contained. Did you know that the US has more than 936000 active oil and gas wells? That's just the US. Add several million of wells that were shut down and often abandoned in the last 120 years. Did you know that a third of all goods being transported by ship is oil, gas and derivates? Compared to the massive scale and devastation that the fossil fuel industry produces, mining for lithium is a total non-issue. And guess what, if a lithium based battery truly cannot be used anymore, it can always be recycled. It did not turn into vapour during its life.
@6ettinold
2 жыл бұрын
The amount of drivers I see leaning down the middle of their cars whilst driving astounds me. C class drivers seem to do this in abundance. Not sure if they are all poorly sighted or the menus on the Mercedes infotainment screen are a pig. We choose our car for various reasons, physical buttons was one.
@patreekotime4578
2 жыл бұрын
One reason to run EVERYTHING on the touchscreen is that it could potentially all be reset remotely by the fleet software whenever there is a new driver. Or potentially driver's settings could follow them. It does also introduce the potential for monitoring those settings... with all of the positives and negatives that go along with that. There are plenty of studies out looking at impact of mining of battery materials. Although I do find it funny that we never hear anyone asking what are the impacts of speculating, drilling, refining and transporting oil and gas whenever a new ICE vehicle hits the market. Although one thing we can say for certain: EVERY metal inside of a battery pack can be reclaimed in recycling and reused, whereas not a single drop of diesel fuel can ever be reconstituted from tailpile emmissions and reused as fuel.
@philspencelayh5464
2 жыл бұрын
Years ago I had a Vauxhall viva (when they were new) everything you needed to do was proper switches and after a short time you could do anything without taking your eyes off the road. I dont think a touch screen should control anything that is needed when the vehicle is moving.
@peterlarkin762
2 жыл бұрын
@@patreekotime4578 Lithium is so costly to reclaim and make usable that nobody does it yet, it's cheaper to open a new mine in the Congo. Also every watt of power used to charge the battery can't be reclaimed either just like diesel.
@darwenrover8910
2 жыл бұрын
After this and the Mustang Mach-E, Ford need to start making an electric Fiesta.
@dashcam2417
2 жыл бұрын
Ford have cancelled all orders for fiesta ass of mid June ... Next fiesta size car will be a VW MASH UP .
@will4may175
2 жыл бұрын
They pandered to the rich folk and business's first, which tbh is par the course for auto makers, I also think they needed to sell off the engines they'd built so that's probably why they brought a crappy hybrid Fiesta first.
@BigManMotors
2 жыл бұрын
Electric Puma is on the horizon
@dashcam2417
2 жыл бұрын
@@BigManMotors the average road doesn't need bigger and heavier cars .. I would love to see KEI cars introduced with a modern twist . In towns and cities.
@will4may175
2 жыл бұрын
@Michael Headley Sounds like Peugeot's have gotten better then, after a car crash in the early 2008 I was given a 208 courtesy car, it was terrible, and then drove Peugeot vans for Royal Mail and they're no better so stayed away from Peugeot.
@cheeky_farquar
2 жыл бұрын
How long before ppl start stealing those electric motors???
@russellfrost5652
2 жыл бұрын
I like it, but here’s my question. The range clearly came down even hauling something weighing only a few hundred kg’s, hence the need to the extra “splash and dash”. I carry over 1t daily in my van, I’d like to understand what that would change the real world mileage to as I just can’t see how electric vans will work properly until they have diesel like range. At the moment that means more/heavier batteries, which means a lower load capacity. IMO unless the gov change the driving licences to 7.5t as a standard like they used to Pre 1997 then electric vans just don’t make sense if they’re going on long journeys, carrying a heavy load. With a 7.5t you could have huge batteries that could easily give longer range and you’d keep your ability for a heavy payload.
@vremster
2 жыл бұрын
Very true. I think that's why Ford recommends a mix of electric and diesel vans. Electric for city and suburban routes, and diesel for longer hauls like you describe. Until batteries get lighter, or can store much more energy, we'll have a definite need for some diesel and petrol vehicles.
@gasdive
2 жыл бұрын
Weight makes almost no difference to range at all. As long as it's inside and not changing the drag you'd never be able to tell. Wind direction makes a huge difference. Vastly more than weight.
@computerjantje
2 жыл бұрын
agree. Again the video is made by an electric enthusiast with no experience of day to day usage of a van. ev is presented always too sunny :) I am skeptical because it is the trend to be ev enthusiast instead of really objective.
@m4rkscott
2 жыл бұрын
Most delivery drivers would do their nut stopping twice a day for 45 minute top ups, they get paid mainly on parcels delivered and collected which is why they have always got their foot down and in a rush. I may have missed it but didn't hear you mention it's unladen and fully laden weights and what the fully laden range would be as i'm pretty sure from a sales prospective the numbers quoted will be best case scenario
@glynjones8187
2 жыл бұрын
I like the fact it will bill the company for charging at home, if you have a company van and need to cherge at home at least you will get itt back and it will be tax free and relate to you're actual charging cost.
@knhcarpentryhomeimprovemen8946
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I'm a bit late, had to charge my van twice to get here.
@mick123789
2 жыл бұрын
4:49 already starting to rust, so it’s a proper transit then!
@teovm
2 жыл бұрын
Cargo capacity suffers. 750kg load is pretty small. Most of the Vans that have GVW of 3,5 tons have over a 1000kg, some of them reaching 1500kg. Above 3,5t GVW you might need a different licence and additional road tax, vignette, more often inspections or other. Yea the volume capacity is the same, or petty much the same, but the carrying capacity is pretty low. It might work for urban areas, goods maybe, but for equipment van- No No.
@georgimihalkov4781
2 жыл бұрын
A very good review! Let's just hope that it won't result in a life long vocal tic, that'll cost Jonny his marriage.
@boogboog8097
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely useless outside of an urban area.
@matzo2217
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not in the market for a van but I had to watch because a) Jonny b) I needed to know what he was transporting c) no-one else does videos of this quality
@grrfy
2 жыл бұрын
does it fit in a rapid charge bay? And OMG is tha t cable routing in the rear going to be standard, that is a copper thieves dream looks even easier than stealing a cat.
@christianbuczko1481
2 жыл бұрын
I just cannot see electric vans ever working. They are far too limited on range and will be difficult to charge everyday for the range required. The power to recharge an entire fleet of vans would need a charger per van, and power supply networks are already stretched to capacity and struggling with power supply not being designed for the current loading.
@MattyEngland
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, a van depot would need it's own substation to charge a fleet of vehicles. Ev's are fine for the odd middle class hippy to take to the vegan lentil shop, but like you say, the electrical infrastructure is nowhere near able to cope with the large scale adoption of commercial EV'S
@aragorn084
2 жыл бұрын
Money talks... Fleet owners can make a simple calculation, running costs, IE cost of fuel Vs electricity and the capital costs of any infrastructure required. A diesel transit will cost around 30p a mile in fuel. An EV van will cost somewhere around 4p a mile charging on cheap rate electric. For a van doing 100 miles a day, 5 days a week, that's an annual cost of £7800 in diesel or £1100 in electricity. The savings start to mount up pretty quick and will easily pay for the infrastructure.
@christianbuczko1481
2 жыл бұрын
@@aragorn084 where is the billions required for several new powerstations, hundreds of additional power lines and substations ect coming from?? Also, wtf do you think powers them?? Have you seen current costs, which are rising fast?? Blackouts are very possible this winter due to lack of redundency in the system and the struggle to power whats left. Those costs will be delivered back to those trying to save cash by hammering them in other ways like doubling costs for everyone, having no electricity in winter just when its needed..
@AlRoderick
2 жыл бұрын
During the highest demand part of the day the UK pulls about 60 GW of its 75-ish gigawatt generating capacity. Overnight during the off peak it's pulling about 40. Which means you've got about 20 GW of capacity unused during the time when these vans will be plugged in and charging overnight. The charger draws about 11 KW peak so that means you get about a million vans charging at the same time for 11 gigawatts. So you've got capacity in the grid to charge about a million during the off-peak without even increasing the amount of generating capacity. How long do you think it's going to take for them to sell a million of these?
@christianbuczko1481
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlRoderick assuming everything is working and we arnt using alot more than normal like in winter and the powerstations have enough fuel.. Russia is already cutting fuel supplies to europe meaning costs per unit will skyrocket as a result and we could easily run out.
@ethelmini
2 жыл бұрын
"Charge it on a cheap tariff" 🤣 That scrappers is so depressing. There was real value in the little local yard where you could get an informal education pulling bits off for yourself, repurposing & modifying. That Allegro likely would still be about without them.
@matthewseymour8972
2 жыл бұрын
That £9k difference is interesting. At current rapid charge and fuel prices, for the frugal driver I reckon it would take more than 3 years to recoup, but many van drivers are not frugal and that really hurts the diesel mpg. Plus charging overnight at cheaper rates, a lot of variables but ultimately it's going to be cheaper.
@astragreen
2 жыл бұрын
Why is it good? We have 30 million cars on the roads in the UK, so every car in the world is going to run by a battery is i? , its just a loony fad the WEST is going through nowadays, also road tolls highway and local 2$ a mile, a full charge will cost twice as much as a full tank of gas, local roads blocked off, cameras to fine motorists ect, battery power not very good after all is is, I believe its nothing to do with the 'environment at all it's to stop us from driving, battery powered vehicles will become way to expensive, for all but companies, also a new battery after the 7 year warranty expires 20 grand for a new one, the west have gone bananas!
@killerhertzmercedes
2 жыл бұрын
4:33 notice the rust on the brackets? Brand new van already rusting.
@grahamhaynes7658
2 жыл бұрын
I've a 8 year old custom,only rust is on front subframe and sump.They aren't like previous gen rust buckets.
@darahdoyle3176
2 жыл бұрын
An absolute no brainer. Electric vans are 100% the way forward. What irks me, is the range. How is the range still so paltry (relatively speaking). It's all about battery space in the vehicle right? Why only use the underfloor area? What about the walls? Behind the cab? All that 'fuel tank' space we saw early on. That van should have double the available range. Until you can match the range of a diesel van then most folk will just walk away. Seeing as it takes near an hour to 'fill up' on a fast charger, then it's got to have at least the same range to tempt a business for them to balance up the cheaper fuel and maintenance costs vs the heavier initial outlay and hours spent off the road while plugged in. Save the planet? Who gives a fuck when the reality is staying in business and turning a profit is the No. 1 priority. Until it is a no brainer for a business owner to go electric then it won't take off.
@insanebilly
2 жыл бұрын
Nobody ever says how much it costs per mile to run, you paid x amount of money to do the trip what is the £ per mile for the Electric compared to running a Diesel at X amount of £ per mile. Cheers.
@aragorn084
2 жыл бұрын
30mpg on diesel is about 30p a mile. Electric costs vary wildly and commercial rates can be quite different to residential. However taking a residential off peak rate of 8p/kWh, and the numbers quoted in this episode, the van was costing around 3-4p a mile. Of course using a public rapid charger as shown is significantly more expensive, and those would bring it on par with diesel. Clearly a fleet user who can arrange suitable depot charging on cheap rate electric and who doesn't need to use public chargers can make significant savings.
@logicalChimp
2 жыл бұрын
@@aragorn084 Johnny did about 110 miles before charging, iirc, and his charge cost ~27 quid... so cost-per-mile (when using v.expensive fast-chargers) is about 25p / mile - still better than diesel, but not by much (~15%)
@aragorn084
2 жыл бұрын
@@logicalChimp yeah, instavolt charges 57p/kWh, and the van looks to be doing a smidge over 2 miles per kWh, so your right around the 25-30p per mile range. There is some fuzz as he won't have charged to 100%, I think he said 93? So the 27quid didn't quite cover the whole 110 miles.
@SuperWayneyb
2 жыл бұрын
Or buy a second hand Renault traffic diesel and do over 600 miles without stopping at all so your there and back meanwhile this glorified milk float is in a line waiting to charge up if the charger works ? Clean fuels are the way forward. The carbon footprint of destroying everything with a fossil fuel burning engine would be catastrophic and are conveniently forgotten by those that promote electric vehicles. They just don’t add up.
@Quadlaners
2 жыл бұрын
The hardest test would be same journey in the winter ,lights heater,wipes etc see what mileage you get then
@TheLateBrakeShow
2 жыл бұрын
Agree, those are the worst conditions for an EV (above 60mph especially)
@FFVoyager
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLateBrakeShow I'd expect like every other EV it'll do about 20% less than it will in the summer!
@domefford864
2 жыл бұрын
Can’t see tradesmen ever going electric, I’m a floor layer bet all my tools and crap weigh more than that Honda engine. Add 600kg of carpets probably won’t get out of town 🤣
@Quadlaners
2 жыл бұрын
@@domefford864 no same with me full van roof rack and ladders as well, plus longer journeys i could not br arsed to keep stopping but I do think they have their place just not for me
@gasdive
2 жыл бұрын
@@domefford864 as long as you keep it all inside the van you shouldn't notice any difference in range. If you put stuff on the roof it will make a huge difference.
@randomrandomness8743
2 жыл бұрын
No thanks. 4 charges in total to get you back to fuĺl again so you're ready for the next day, minimum of 45 minutes languishing but more likely 1+ hours. For long trips this doesn't make sense.
@BillyCabrio1985
2 жыл бұрын
Another great video as always JS! Just don’t get caught going over 60 mph in your van, you never know who’s watching 👀🚨🚓😂😂
@PiOfficial
2 жыл бұрын
You can go 70 on the motorway mate
@garrettsweeney3945
2 жыл бұрын
No disrespect Jonny, but it seemed like a bit of a palaver for one delivery. If you really wanted to put it up against a diesel, why did you not run the A.C high, stick on a few C.Ds, and charge your phone, after all you can do that on a regular diesel transit, not only,but you could have been home , having your dinner instead of miles away giving it another little charge and all without stopping once. I'm sorry, but Ford are going to have to do a lot better, if they wish to persuade owners to go electric
@CafeElectric
2 жыл бұрын
Love me a good Van! Excellent review as always. Why does L give higher regen? Good question. I think it's following the standard of automatic transmissions with PRNDL, where low range gives more engine braking.
@Daniel-uj7rr
2 жыл бұрын
I think it's L for load. As in carrying a load.
@robtheknob7791
2 жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-uj7rr I always understood it to be low range because it limits the top speed and allows the engine to rev higher to produce more torque due to gearing.
@phasetwentyeight
2 жыл бұрын
Johnny, any chance of getting hold and reviewing the new Amarok. It’s a joint venture between ford and Vw and the jury’s out on whether it’s just a rebadged ranger. Deposit paid but nothing to order as yet 😞
@paultravers3709
2 жыл бұрын
I half expected Richard to be involved with the intro!
@zapfanzapfan
2 жыл бұрын
Electrical outlets? Might want to charge some tools in a work van or power something at a worksite. This will be very interesting as an RV if you could run an induction cook top etc from the battery instead of having gas for cooking.
@TimInertiatic
2 жыл бұрын
That rear axle and suspension setup looks perfect for future EV conversions!
@timburton1080
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah and those battery packs!
@DEZ1172
2 жыл бұрын
"Ford Tranist , Ford Transit .... Fords" Spoken in fluent Daganam 💯Another great informative review Cheers Jonny👍👍
@dashcam2417
2 жыл бұрын
What's the towing capability of the van ?
@benllewelyn98
2 жыл бұрын
Up to 2000kg according to google
@dashcam2417
2 жыл бұрын
@@benllewelyn98 that's for the transit Custom E .. Our Ford dealer said this large model has no towing capability .. That's why we are trying to find out .
@peterellis4982
2 жыл бұрын
So how many miles did you do and how many times did you stop to change as a commercial courier I travel 300/400 miles a day so i do very much like one but realistically just over priced and under performance ie in mileage
@andydahl609
2 жыл бұрын
Great review, I have driven electric for nearly 6 years now(Nissan leaf 30). For this van to work the charging network at ports has to improve significantly, we have just been left with no range when arriving at the ferry from cairnryan to larne! I had the granny charger with us(luckily) and managed to steal a few precious miles from p and o! As for the future of vans, electric is a certainty! Perhaps chargers on boats? They all have monster power generation with three phase?
@tonys1636
2 жыл бұрын
Ferry operators should definitely install charging points on the vehicle decks, they have installed USB points in the passenger areas for us and most ferry passengers have a vehicle on board.
@ecoworrier
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see charging points on eurotunnel. Its already an electric vehicle running on high voltage.
@903lew
2 жыл бұрын
Ferry companies in Scandinavia are starting to offer charging on board. Must be pre-booked but it’s coming as the ferrys go into dock for refreshes.
@davidyapp2240
2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting video but while you have to make relatively long stops to recharge on a journey as opposed to a diesel or petrol fill up l won't be converting. Now the potential of hydrogen development is a whole different ball game.
@Moggster23
2 жыл бұрын
Shame it hasn't got the current miles per kWh meter visible on the dash. I bet it's there but buried in a menu somewhere. I think you hit the spot on the review as to who the van is aimed at. Oh and I hope Ford catch up with the hooligan who stuck those stickers on their van....whoever they are! 😉
@FFVoyager
2 жыл бұрын
@@dashcam2417 eh? 🙄
@gavinwyllie7855
2 жыл бұрын
@@dashcam2417 utter bollocks mate .
@castletransport
2 жыл бұрын
I would love that sort of technology for a minibus. I have a ford transit minibus now so if it could be a minibus, I would be happy
@Thesobercarper
2 жыл бұрын
Top drawer review as usual, thank you johnny
@Isthatyoudermot
2 жыл бұрын
I miss Yorkies. Great video. Love the grey clouds at the end, typical summer weather 🤣
@lmvlmv
2 жыл бұрын
Fowads?
@paulrobinson3528
2 жыл бұрын
11:23..................no rattle knocks, engine noise..............that makes for a better sound from the stereo🤣
@marbastworks8519
2 жыл бұрын
Good show Johnny, thank you. As you rightly say, diesel prices are not going to drop significantly anytime soon. But shouldn't your real-world review also disclose how much you paid for the electricity on the road? (as opposed to the figure for 'at-home' charging) That way, us 'floating voter' diesel users who are considering the big e-switch will have another figure to factor in.
@jamesbutler606
2 жыл бұрын
instavolt is 55p/kw currently. a m/KwH would have been nice to know about the van too.
@techforenergyltd9834
2 жыл бұрын
Charging at home on an EV tariff is approx 7.5 p / kWh - available from many suppliers
@jonathantaylor1998
2 жыл бұрын
When Jonny stopped for the first charge, he'd covered 109 miles on approximately 74% of the usable 68kWh battery capacity, so using about 50kWh of electricity, which actually equates to a not-unreasonable 2.18 miles per kWh of efficiency (compared with some Audi E-Tron SUV drivers who get LESS than 2 miles/kWh...!! 😲 ) If you were only ever able to charge using public rapid chargers (the equivalent of only EVER buying your diesel from a motorway services... which you probably wouldn't do...) then that would've cost around 50 x 57p/kW = £28.50. That's the equivalent of a diesel van doing about 32mpg (at £1.86 p/litre diesel) However, if after those 109 miles, the van had then been charged overnight at home on a sensible EV energy tariff (4 hours for approximately 22kW at 7.5p/kW, then 5 hours for 28kW at 39p/kW), then that drops the price down to only £12.57 total cost - the equivalent of a diesel Transit doing 73mpg...! 👍
@roberttaylor465
2 жыл бұрын
I don't like the charging point on the front, vans seem to crash mostly into things forwards so having to get involved with charging ports in the repair industry is a pain.
@MrEggyman99
2 жыл бұрын
My favourite feature of this entire van is the standard fuel gauge, and I really hope they use this on ALL of their future electric vehicles. This alone would remove almost all range anxiety due to it's familiarity.
@RLTtizME
2 жыл бұрын
The gauge has a little chunk of coal that moves across the dial.
@jasonkillsformomy
2 жыл бұрын
If the look of the gauge is the reason for your anxiety then it's not real, but placebo.
@Robert-cu9bm
2 жыл бұрын
Only because of the chip shortage.
@Robert-cu9bm
2 жыл бұрын
@G T Yeah, but when you get a EV you also get a bad bladder causing you to need to go to the toilet every 2hrs.
@watcher24601
2 жыл бұрын
@G T ICE is great for the rich folk that can afford to run them. For everyone else, affordable practical transport is more important.
@MichaelEricMenk
2 жыл бұрын
I like analog instruments, they work with polarized sun glasses.....
@michalrajnic758
2 жыл бұрын
I really would love an EV one day... but I often do long journeys of 600-800km a day and just can't bear the thought of potentially having to charge 3-4 times adding perhaps 2 or more hours. One tank of diesel is all it takes. Plus going any faster than 120-130kmh just kills EV ranges. I think synthetic fuels or hydrogen is the way.
@Brian-om2hh
2 жыл бұрын
Fine, if you're ok with around £10 per litre for synthetic fuel, or driving around looking for one of the 12 hydrogen filling points in the whole of the UK. And don't expect hydrogen to be a cheap fuel.......
@RedBatteryHead
2 жыл бұрын
Efuel is no way a solution to stop burning stuff. Neighter is H2. They both are fossil industries love babies. And for that. The range on a FCEV is the same as a same priced competitor. In you're scenario you need an EV6/Ioniq5 Or an i4. They do that charging job in just your coffee break.
@RLTtizME
2 жыл бұрын
You would be silly to buy an EV then. That is their weakness and the infrastructure simply isn't there.
@RedBatteryHead
2 жыл бұрын
@@RLTtizME wake up.
@RLTtizME
2 жыл бұрын
@@RedBatteryHead fellnarp
@bukwok
2 жыл бұрын
if can put a generator on van , and driving and charging at the same time, then i will thinking about electric van, just for peace of mind, its called range anxiety right..?
@Rhyd
2 жыл бұрын
Electric van man
@jondonnelly3
2 жыл бұрын
With 260PS fuking scary thought
@Rhyd
2 жыл бұрын
@@jondonnelly3 they seemingly were able to do 200mph down the motorway in their 90bhp transit, now they might be able to travel through time 😂
@willyd-adv
2 жыл бұрын
I have an env200 in New Zealand and like it alot but man it's small and has crap range. I can't wait to get home to the UK and get a big eTransit. Convert to a stealth camper and go around Europe 😁
@jondonnelly3
2 жыл бұрын
I can see rust under that van.
@jckblck
2 жыл бұрын
It is a Ford, factory fit that.
@antonoat
2 жыл бұрын
Years ago I sold transits, I was always amazed how quickly they started to rust!
@bobeden5027
2 жыл бұрын
20 deg C, that's Winter mode for me here in the Whitsunday Islands! hahaha
@rushja
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid as always! electric vans make total sense now that a decent pack can be fitted to them. The fleet savings are going to be big for a lot of the bigger companies. I already see electric company vans on the roads and I can't wait for them to be the majority of vans
@RLTtizME
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah...UPS deliveries within a 3 miles radius of their distribution center. Marvelous.
@timscott3027
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Amazon have ev vans round my city
@sahhull
2 жыл бұрын
@@timscott3027 Yeah. Im constantly getting apologised to for late deliveries from the Amazon driver. Those electric vans dont have the range when carrying weight and he's often left waiting for recovery with packages in the back.
@randompete2204
2 жыл бұрын
For area multi drop with short distances to travel they are perfect. But all the van driving I've done they would be impossible to even consider, due to miles and always chasing the clock.
@markwalton8644
2 жыл бұрын
Good Review, makes more sense than EV classic cars, which occasionally come out the garage. One thing I would say, it really should have a Hydrogen fuel cell option to make it truly usable!!
@TimInertiatic
2 жыл бұрын
There just isn't any hydrogen infrastructure though. It's significantly more difficult to implement than battery charging infrastructure
@markwalton8644
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimInertiatic Hydrogen will be coming. Lorries will be Hydrogen soon. There's no way Lorries can sustain a long journey on BEV!
@mikeclifton7778
2 жыл бұрын
Or Hydrogen combustion? Harry's Farm and Harry's Garage did an interesting interview with Lord Bamford of JCB fame about the advantages of burning hydrogen in modified IC vehicles, worth a watch.
@TimInertiatic
2 жыл бұрын
@@markwalton8644 ok fine, but where is the hydrogen infrastructure?
@markwalton8644
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimInertiatic The infrastructure will come soon as it'll have to by 2030. EV lorries aren't going to work!!
@McN48G
2 жыл бұрын
Think you need to change your camera set up location, you spend too much time taking your eyes on the road looking to the camera on the left in my opinion. Even taking your eyes off the road to look down and read something on passenger seat.
@thefrenchruraldream8069
2 жыл бұрын
We all have different opinions on EVs and this why I love Jonny’s channel he gives a down to earth review that makes sense in the real world use. He also seems to have an unbiased opinion as he his also a fan of ICEs, unlike channels which just deals with ev propaganda. Keep up the great work 👍🏻😊
@deancostello14
2 жыл бұрын
It's funny how you mention the posties. Up in the North East they seem to have just got a delivery of hundreds of Electric Peugeot vans, great idea that is. I think this would be perfect as a rental van for when you want to move some stuff, it's rare you want to do long range when you rent a van.
@Dan23_7
2 жыл бұрын
Reef Tee 👍🏼👍🏼 This van is definitely a game changer for the courier industry. When I was a courier before my current job the 18 plate tranny I had (the same wheelbase and height as this one) I was filling up 3 times a week and my round averaged 100 miles a day, 56 of them getting to and from my delivery area. Now I do long distance in a sprinter Luton, until a manufacturer can bring out an EV Luton capable of 400 miles a day we’ll still be using Diesel engines.
@darrenlomax1283
2 жыл бұрын
I do 100 miles a day in my 2.2 econetic 3.5t and im getting 700 miles per fill up. I did get 400 until i learned how to drive it economically. My old 2.0l used to get me to london and back on 2/3rds of a tank. The same journey uses a whole tank in my mk7. My mk7 is 10 years newer than my mk6 was. So how has this been allowed, the emissions regs are a fraud. My old car put out 221gkm and my 16 year newer car puts out 174gkm yet im getting the same mpg on the same roads. Its all lies and im getring really tired of it. We're being played for a much bigger reason than I can think of.
@Dan23_7
2 жыл бұрын
@@darrenlomax1283 Road tax is a fraud, you just have to look at the state of them. I drive a sprinter Luton 316 twin turbo, I get 350-400 miles per tank but it depends on how much motorway compared to urban and also how loaded we are. I don’t pay for the fuel though thank Fook When I started here last April a full tank from 50 mile reserve cost about £90 Now it’s £125-30
@CHMichael
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the perfect car for the usps. Instead of the one built by some defense contractor.
@downtheshedwithjason
2 жыл бұрын
i glad you explained how stuff gets around. I thought the magic elves made shop stock in the back room overnight.
@TerminusVox
2 жыл бұрын
I'm only here for the #AllegRoSleeper crossover content. EVs are nowhere near mature enough (affordable) for me.
@benlis1
2 жыл бұрын
Just waiting for the 500 mile a day without stopping crowd to come along and tell us this is no good for them…
@TheLateBrakeShow
2 жыл бұрын
Keep reading the comments. There are already a half dozen.
@Oosh21
2 жыл бұрын
Richard needs to make a mega mix of your "Fords", "Transits", and sprinkle in some "Sports".
@petew1810
2 жыл бұрын
Good video but I lost count of how many charging stops there were! And I supposed all those chargers were being supplied by electric windmills, right?🙄
@andym1908
2 жыл бұрын
It's actually VAG electric technology. Ford did a deal with VAG .
@classic_britain
2 жыл бұрын
Bahaha that into Jonny you legend!
@gavinwyllie7855
2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen how fast van drivers tend to drive over speed bumps (not my vehicle so f@ck it) so those low slung batteries may prove to be a slight problem.. 🤔😂
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