I definitely appreciate this video. I myself was confused on these new questions. The wording and placement of “addendums and fine print” tripped me up and got banned from purchasing for 30 days. As stated the clerks couldn’t tell me what i got wrong but encouraged me research the new questions to receive clarification.
@martyhonda6983
Жыл бұрын
Same thing happened to me at B Pro a place I have bought 1 pistol and as of recent 2 years ago a shotgun and was denied …I have no record , murders , drugs , felonies … nothing …answered 1 question wrong and blown out the door BS
@tsteinour
Жыл бұрын
BP bans you for life they said
@Reallyoutchawiththachoppa
Жыл бұрын
@@martyhonda6983man I feel you dude I went to academy and they did the same shit still eating my 30 days just bcs of one question that I did wrong by accident but it was my first time even filling out the form smh
@IronMan480_
Жыл бұрын
@martyhonda6983 just got denied at a Bass pros recently because I answer one question wrong. And I can no longer buy guns at Bass pros/Cabelas in Arizona till further notice. I can buy a gun somewhere else but no longer at bass pros.
@adublbeatz8656
Жыл бұрын
Yep it just happened to me at Academy Sports & Outdoors...gotta wait 30 days...I guess I better get more up on the gun laws... ridiculous though veteran with a concealed hand gun license....The questions have nothing to do with your identity. lol...smh
@redstingraycorvette
7 ай бұрын
These changes on the paperwork as far as I am concerned is nothing but entrapment to stop someone from buying a gun or getting a gun I recently 30 days ago, went to Dunhams to buy shotgun and the dealer one with the questions were asked on an iPad said I failed, refused to show me what I failed on and would not let me even touch it. The people that do this at these businesses actually get a kick out of it and love doing it and watching someone fail.
@Emperio-zc5zr
6 ай бұрын
Happened to me 8 months ago and I failed I’ve bought dozens of guns in the past from that store . Haven’t went back since
@Strawman333
Ай бұрын
Happen to me at B’ass pro shops. The Fudd behind the counter seemed almost gleeful that I made a mistake on the form. Got denied for 48 hours.
@blainecolbry3192
Жыл бұрын
Make sure to fill this out correctly unless you're Hunter, then you can fill it out however you want.
@charlesnash2748
Жыл бұрын
Or Obama. There is a question that asks if you have ever renounced your citizenship.
@heinzketchup7503
26 күн бұрын
Or Donald Trump, hes a felon, felons are not allowed to be around any firearm.
@NorthCountryOutlaw
Жыл бұрын
I just bought a gun a couple weeks ago when I saw those questions I kinda was weirded out. I worked for an FFL for 2 years and knew the form very well before.
@InXring
Жыл бұрын
My understanding of the in/out of city limits has to do with NICS determining you are a prohibited person after the 3 business day period when a dealer MAY transfer the gun if the dealer has not rec'd a response from NICS. In that case, ATF relies on local law enfocement to contact you & retrieve the gun. So if you live in city limits, it is city police that have to come get the gun back. If outside city limits, it is county LEO that has to respond. As I understand it, even though it is a federal crime if you as prohibited person receive the gun, the feds rely on local LEO to enforce.
@romeovalverde9434
Жыл бұрын
I just spent 2 hours at my FFL trying to understand 21 b & 21c. The FFL would not explain or answer any questions I had.
@babayegajaeger7082
Жыл бұрын
LIABILITY.
@Bailoutmel
Жыл бұрын
Hey did u get it if so any help
@504Trey
Жыл бұрын
U don't need guns anyway because guns are dangerous
@gullahgeechee2699
Жыл бұрын
basically they reworded it as a trick question until the end in 21.b to see if you would sell it lol 21 a.=Y 21.b=N 21.c=N
@JadenMm
9 күн бұрын
My ffl always help with 4473
@earlluce2712
Жыл бұрын
This is what I went through at the Rochester NY Sportsman Warehouse. I couldn’t buy the gun and was blacklisted for 30 days. The clerk smirked like he won
@youtubesucks-yx6kk
Жыл бұрын
Some shops may be more expensive but this is why I would rather shop at family owned shop. At least most of them aren't anti gun with an agenda like most the fudds at Walmart or bass pro or most big business. Of course you would have been delayed still but instead of the seller being generally happy about you failing they will just make a joke and tell ya to come back when the time passes.
@iXmetalXi
Жыл бұрын
Just happened to me. Pissed me right off.
@LivingInSoCal
Жыл бұрын
I am new to gun ownership so this may sounds a little newbie-ish, but were you able purchase after 30 days at a different store assuming you answered all the questions correctly?
@carlosmorris4510
Жыл бұрын
What exactly happened?!... Blacklisted for 30 days? 🤔
@iXmetalXi
Жыл бұрын
@@carlosmorris4510 most stores I know unless you’re a walking red flag just discard the paperwork. They probably don’t want you coming instantly back and filling out a form in case that is the case as it comes back on them as hard as the person who uses a firearm to perpetrate crime.
@STEVEOMEMES
Жыл бұрын
Koba thanks.. i will look out for that on my next transfer. That city part is just not right. I live in a county.
@dragonf1092
Жыл бұрын
Mayor's and city councils have no legal constitutional authority to write or pass laws. Only Congress can write and pass law and only if said law is constitutional.
@LivingInSoCal
Жыл бұрын
If you are a permanent resident(green card holder), you would have to check "No" to 21.n.1. This implies that you are not "such" an alien so you leave 21.n.2 blank? or do you have to check 21.n.2 to "No"?
@carlosmorris4510
Жыл бұрын
That's me, recently... I checked NO on the first question (which makes sense) and left the second question blank. They have my green card info, so they should be able to figure it out... We'll see.
@EpTree
9 ай бұрын
How did it work out?
@BladeObssession
Жыл бұрын
All of the gun forms I have filled out in the last 2 years were on a tablet computer so I think you could change an answer if you thought you answered incorrectly
@johnshea2395
Жыл бұрын
Is a city and town the same entity for this new form? Are they looking for incorporated vs non-incorporated "township" land? I live in a town municipality but it is not a city.
@gunfisher4661
Жыл бұрын
It may actually determine how fast your NICS check goes thru as some municipalitys and cities have their own private rules for ownership of certain firearms. So depending on your answer they may have to take an extra minute to determine whether or not you can make the purchase. I`m not sure how it works but some cities such as Dayton Ohio do not allow the possession of an AR-15 unless under permit of the sheriffs office
@claymiller8171
Жыл бұрын
They consider any amount of money that you receive for it a profit. If you sell it for a dollar, then you're busted.
@carlosRodriguez-on6nt
11 күн бұрын
I just did this and made the no mistake on both those 20 n1 and 20 n2 but my dealer still has the old form and it doesn't say anything about leaving anything blank
@macnabit.1
Жыл бұрын
Very helpful, Thank you
@erickyle5604
Жыл бұрын
21A did not apply to the ATF during their operation fast and furious.
@coachdensgaming3393
Жыл бұрын
What is the answer to 21a if you are buying it for yourself
@troybond5426
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, good post. The newer form is tricky.
@DarkComputer9090
Жыл бұрын
Just filled one of these new forms yesterday for the s&w 5.7, had to have a whole conversation with myself to determined if i lived in city limits or not.😂😂😂
@2Truth4Liberty
Жыл бұрын
YES __ NO ____ UNKNOWN ________ :-0)
@romancedennis290
Жыл бұрын
What u put
@DarkComputer9090
Жыл бұрын
NO
@romancedennis290
Жыл бұрын
@@DarkComputer9090 thanks did you get your gun the same day
@DarkComputer9090
Жыл бұрын
Yup
@jeffreymartin6451
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video
@TheBlackconsigliere
2 ай бұрын
This was well done. I just got denied because of 21a. Thanks.
@midsouthexpress
Жыл бұрын
If you accidentally make a mistake on that form at Bass Pro, which is electronic, and you don't catch it, you just lost your ability to buy a firearm at Bass Pro and Cabella's forever...That is even if they catch it BEFORE they send it to NIC, you are flagged in Bass Pro computer from now on as unable to purchase a firearm in their stores. After it is entered into their in house computer and and it kicks it back out, you can look at the form again and usually see what was wrong, but you are not allowed to change it. So an honest mistake or a simple miss-key can mess you up forever there, so this definitely does affect the consumer. Also I have heard it from the people at Bass Pro that this is just the tip of the iceberg of what is coming down the pipe.
@Nobody-ld7mk
Жыл бұрын
I missed 21 b, a local store in my area of huge notoriety... three stores, told me to come back in 2 weeks and take another shot at it. So, Pro Bass is killing their own business with their system. You need to pick out about half the words from 21 b to clear things up, and look ahead did you answer 21 n 1 & 2? It sucks, I'll head back in two weeks. no big deal. If I mess it up again, I'll just get a refund. Like the Bidin administration... Piss on it. FBI wants a new $3.5 Billion Dollar Headquarters in Maryland. "Spy Toys" Blank Check Joe will sign off for the FBI's growth of Government Agencies. The Great Satan at Large... Of "The Empire" for "The Empire" & by "The Empire. The Government no longer works for the People, the People work to serve the Government.
@midsouthexpress
Жыл бұрын
@@Nobody-ld7mk just think what kind of shape things will be in about 2 more years of this crap.
@midsouthexpress
Жыл бұрын
@@Nobody-ld7mk if I remember right the first two questions used to be yes now there's only one that is yes all the rest are no. If you go in there after working graveyard shift and just breeze through it without them telling you that the form has changed, you're screwed. After what was done was done they said oh by the way...
@Nobody-ld7mk
Жыл бұрын
@@midsouthexpress You're right I blew it on the second one being careless, and they warned me to be careful. I'm a senior, learning to grow patient with the mistakes that come with the upper years. One yes and all no's. Least I remember my gender. The lunacy never ends... Here's one for you, FBI want's a new 3.5 Billion Dollar Headquarters in Maryland. "Spy Toys" Now we know why the election questionably tipped as it did. Of the Empire, for the Empire & by the Empire is the new world order.
@Bailoutmel
Жыл бұрын
Bought a ar15 Ruger mpr online so I paid already for them to ban for life !
@ronaldgarcia1058
Жыл бұрын
Its a TRAP They want to know were you live how many men they will need to take your GUNS!!!
@504Trey
Жыл бұрын
U don't need guns anyway because guns are dangerous
@rodvan-zeller6360
Жыл бұрын
In California lots of cops buy of roster guns with intent to sell them to civilians, can they get in trouble for it? Thank you in advance for your answer.
@2Truth4Liberty
Жыл бұрын
You should know from ATF history that anyone can get in trouble for anything at any time :-0)
@rodvan-zeller6360
Жыл бұрын
@@2Truth4Liberty Thank you for the reply
@2Truth4Liberty
Жыл бұрын
@@rodvan-zeller6360 CRS Firearms on trial right now for exercise of expressive conduct which the ATF claims to be unlawful transfer of machineguns worthy of a lifetime in prison and more monetary fines than you could pay in a lifetime even if you were not in prison and made good money.
@rodvan-zeller6360
Жыл бұрын
@@2Truth4Liberty Thank you for the reply. I am not familiar with CRS. Here is something interesting California SB 377.
@2Truth4Liberty
Жыл бұрын
@@rodvan-zeller6360 Interesting and unconstitutunal :-0) California gun control. Same stuff, different day.
@aKjohn8798
Жыл бұрын
What i find is weird is they just say "stimulants". Technically caffeine is a stimulant. Far too many broad interpretations in these forms
@graynotescartridgebox
Жыл бұрын
On your theory of city ordinance, the ordinance doesn’t prevent you from owning said firearm, it prevents possession in city limits. You could own it and keep it at another address and still not break the law. However, I like how you’re thinking about protecting yourself. Thanks for keeping us informed!
@aKjohn8798
Жыл бұрын
No, in my staye city ordinance Prohibits the sale AND possession. Now, you can buy them out of the city or county, but it is illegal to have them at your house
@graynotescartridgebox
Жыл бұрын
@@aKjohn8798 that’s literally what I’m saying. You can keep them at an address not in the city you live in.
@arturopuebla4924
Жыл бұрын
@@aKjohn8798 that’s what he said boy
@aKjohn8798
Жыл бұрын
@@arturopuebla4924 simmer down little boy, talk to me when you become a man, son.
@arturopuebla4924
Жыл бұрын
@@aKjohn8798 you mad I made you feel bad. Acting your age good stuff
@_wok3_
Жыл бұрын
I really really really hate Biden. I knew he was gonna pull some shit like this just before I turned 18😭 I always told my cousins that
@2Truth4Liberty
Жыл бұрын
It's not Biden. It's the New World Order. They had Trump ban bampstocks. There is no President with "real control" of anything that matters to the NWO.
@504Trey
Жыл бұрын
U don't need guns anyway because they're dangerous
@stevenmeansphotography3861
Жыл бұрын
Me to
@LoneWolf01961
Жыл бұрын
I hate Biden also. But Obama is the one telling Biden what to do. Biden is incapable. Obama needs to be in Prison and stop controlling America !
@TAPATIOPLEASE
7 ай бұрын
This isn't Biden 😂😂😂
@ronalddalton5315
Жыл бұрын
It maybe so they know which police department to contact city or county
@petermonck5448
Жыл бұрын
👍🙏😎 Where's your new site,please?
@ungratefulpeasant8085
Жыл бұрын
This is dirty.
@beerme27
10 ай бұрын
i like dirty.
@adublbeatz8656
Жыл бұрын
In rushing trying to revise this form, their wording doesn't follow "how to explain" in the English language. It has caught up quite a few people. Lol...smh
@nink1239
Жыл бұрын
That question did trip me up but the staff said there not allowed to help any one fill out a form.
@504Trey
Жыл бұрын
U don't need guns anyway because guns are dangerous
@LoneWolf01961
Жыл бұрын
I live in the county . So you are saying if I check no to living in the city , I can get in trouble ? This is Ridiculous .
@romancedennis290
Жыл бұрын
What u put
@noquestionbeatz6364
11 ай бұрын
@@romancedennis290 😂 Man haha
@stevenmeansphotography3861
Жыл бұрын
How do you answer the felony question… had a felony reduced 1203.4 we know that does nothing for gun rights…. Court found evidence I was not guilty many years later and the DA and the Judge agreed to vacate 1385 pc and said all records to be destroyed…. So how do I answer if I was convicted 30 years ago brought down to misdemeanor and later vacated because I was innocent. And the judge said I am no longer prohibited
@luislobato1145
Жыл бұрын
I would get a judge approval stated and sealed and or ask a lawyer
@atfthestore1313
Жыл бұрын
I just filled one out and got 21c wrong, I read it as they were asking me if I would sell or dispose of my firearm if I got a felony in the future.
@evanknight3629
Жыл бұрын
I think I got this wrong I interpreted it as if I got in trouble with a felony that I would sell or dispose of my firearms and ammo because it’s illegal for felons to have guns
@vacantduck5496
Жыл бұрын
15:38 i ansewred no on b but accidently put yes for c now i have to wait 30 days to try again (this was done digital instead of a physical copy)
@Bailoutmel
Жыл бұрын
So are they both no
@Rob-rj3kr
Жыл бұрын
Do you have to wait 30 days at that specific place or can you go somewhere else? I also messed up on that same one
@atfthestore1313
Жыл бұрын
Same, apparently the legal definition of furtherance and the normal definition of it are pretty drastically different. I read it as if I obtained any felony in the future I understand I would be forced to get rid of my weapons.
@robertevans5288
Жыл бұрын
Not only is the form confusing but you are as well
@luislobato1145
Жыл бұрын
U must be slow 😂
@motoracerx1418
Жыл бұрын
Here's a question that maybe someone can answer....After filing for "Relief from Disability" in my county and state for my very low level felony conviction 16 yrs ago, I was GRANTED relief and my gun rights restored....But, on the 4473 with the question "Have you ever been convicted of a felony or any crime punishable by more than 1 year in prison", how would that be answered? If I put YES, then the FFL will automatically deny me and not send the 4473 in....If I answer "NO' then the ATF will still see the conviction on my NICS. Unless, the County/State sends a copy of my "GRANTED RELIEF FROM DISABILITY" to the NICS/FBI/ATF or whoever, and that overrides the felony conviction and allows the 4473 to be processed and approved. I'm actually in the process of sealing my record in Ohio, but that's 7 wks out for my hearing. I'm sure my record will be expunged/sealed, buy I'm anxious to try and buy a gun now just to see the outcome. Anybody have any info on this scenario? Great vid @kabo. Thank you.
@justinfitzsimmons9635
5 ай бұрын
So how do you answer on the drug part of the form is it yes or no i would think to check no right ?
@stevenmeansphotography3861
Жыл бұрын
Most dealers will help if you do not understand because they want the sell😊
@luislobato1145
Жыл бұрын
This is great explanation 👏🏼
@donnellhoward7934
Жыл бұрын
So I live in Illinois but I stay in the suburbs so I should answer that question no I do not live in the city limit
@GenXMafia
11 ай бұрын
You should MOVE! 🤣
@claymiller8171
Жыл бұрын
I bet they took a photo front and back of every piece of paper in the whole dang place.
@reddeadlive5631
Жыл бұрын
So what’s the answer for 21 b it’s no correct
@Bailoutmel
Жыл бұрын
I need help is 21a & 21b yes or no ??? just ordered a ar15 556 Ruger mpr and got told I couldn’t go on wit sale after I purchased online please HELP MR
@coachdensgaming3393
Жыл бұрын
Did you find out the answer to 21a & 21b if so what is it
@luislobato1145
Жыл бұрын
@@coachdensgaming3393y'all slow ass hell 😂 and need to go back to school and learn ho to read 😂 but lemme break it down for u, 21.A) Are u the actual buyer? Answer - YES 21.B) are u buying for a prohibited person, etc.. answer - NO SMH YALL DUMB 😂
@gilliland426
Жыл бұрын
you also have to match your height and weight to your drivers license!
@TheMagnolia81
10 ай бұрын
Even if you’ve been on a diet and lost weight?????
@TAPATIOPLEASE
7 ай бұрын
Lol I was one inch off my height, got approved in a few hours, put the same height as license now I'm waiting 3 days 😂😂
@RandomVidz9_
Ай бұрын
Are you sure?
@andycoslet6479
Жыл бұрын
So they want the weight on your license?
@babayegajaeger7082
Жыл бұрын
A 4473 is not a license.
@TAPATIOPLEASE
7 ай бұрын
@@babayegajaeger7082bless your smooth brain.
@darkkiller1485
9 ай бұрын
So i can answer unknown to the city limits?
@anthonylange439
4 ай бұрын
That’s what I’m still wondering did you find out?
@darkkiller1485
4 ай бұрын
@@anthonylange439 No, nobody answered my question lol
@bmo4534
2 ай бұрын
Yes you can put unknown. Idk about yall state but I'm in Georgia.
@roofkorean6948
Жыл бұрын
My apartment complex is just barely outside city limits on city and county maps, and I mean BARELY. I would assume to check 'no', however I think I saw somewhere that we're hooked into city water so I don't know what to think now. Not sure the best way to find out or who I'd call. I just don't feel comfortable checking the 'unknown' option as I feel like it's a trap set for something they have planned for the future. Could be something like, "If you don't know whether you live in the city limits or not, then you're not mentally fit to have a gun." What's the best course of action? Should I print out the city and county map and show the FFL and tell them we're outside the limits but still hooked into city water and see what they think? I could just check 'no' and maybe request that they keep the printed city map with my file just so they have it on record. Idk. I just don't want to be in a situation where the feds later say, "oh that address is technically part of the city so you lied on a federal form."
@macnabit.1
Жыл бұрын
I think in the last part of the form would apply to collectors that buy , several guns and turn around and sell most of them on line or where ever, for a profit so you can wind up with a free one is now a NO NO!!!
@gunfisher4661
Жыл бұрын
It refers to everyone it`s basically the same rule as buying and selling cars.
@2Truth4Liberty
Жыл бұрын
@@gunfisher4661 Does not refer to everyone, just like buying and selling cars does not apply to everyone. In my State I can sell 5 cars a year with no license. Problem is, with the ATF, they won't draw a clear line on how many put you over. ( Of course, the whole thing is unconstitutional so this point is really small fish)
@josephgioielli
Жыл бұрын
Yes, its a gun running thing. Repetitive" and "primarily" are the key words. Yes, this is some ambiguity to it, all laws are. Buy a gun and sell it a year later because you don't want it anymore or you need the money, no one cares. But if you buy a gun with the sole intention of selling it in a short period of time, for a profit, you may have an issue. That's why we have lawyers.
@aKjohn8798
Жыл бұрын
The problem is the ATF just changes their mind in a whim. So while common sense says you would be fine, the atf can arbitrarly apply the law to anyone. And lawyers? Cool story, after they drain your account and you possibly lose your lively hood over bs allegation the ATF wont even apologize. Oh, and you cant sue them for restitution
@GenXMafia
11 ай бұрын
Don't sell my shit I just buy my shit.
@dragonf1092
Жыл бұрын
If any gun dealer denies you your constitutionally protected second amendment rights to buy a gun sue them personally under title 18 U.S.C. section 241 conspiracy against rights, title 18 U.S.C. section 242 deprivation of rights under color of law.
@Mike1614b
Жыл бұрын
bad advice. suing a gun dealer will do nothing but harass the dealer- they are not the enemy
@dragonf1092
Жыл бұрын
@@Mike1614b no if enough gun dealers are sued for conspiracy against rights and deprivation of rights under color of law, they will go after the traitors in the states. And yes they are our enemies if they are working with traitors violating our constitutionally protected rights (liberties) using illegal unconstitutional background checks to discriminate against and deprive American citizens from exercising their constitutionally protected second amendment rights (liberties).
@evanknight3629
Жыл бұрын
Do I have to put the weight that is on my liscense or what I weigh now I’ve lost a ton of weight
@noquestionbeatz6364
11 ай бұрын
Keep Everything the same as on ID / Weight /Add..Ect
@infidel24
Жыл бұрын
Do you have a rumble account?
@coziii.1829
Жыл бұрын
I have yet filled one out …. I have been buying since the 80’s All I do is give my drivers license and then sign a Digital signature. I have yet filled out any questions. I just bought 3 firearms last week . Same thing .
@GenXMafia
11 ай бұрын
No way unless you're buying them out of the trunk of someone's car.
@gilliland426
Жыл бұрын
ethnic and race will throw you off too
@babayegajaeger7082
Жыл бұрын
Now you can identify as a woman,dude,trannie.🙄
@EveryDaysAGoodDayBro
Жыл бұрын
@@romancedennis290because if A white Man walks in they kiss his feet . Oppose to a Black Or Mexican Man we Get Racially Profiled
@roguegarcia9887
Жыл бұрын
Wait so 21 b would be yes? And 21 c is no ??
@luislobato1145
Жыл бұрын
Are u slow? 😂 It's common sense lmao
@gloriaison9004
7 ай бұрын
I don't get it either
@Jerry-lr9yb
9 ай бұрын
Look it up an ordnance is not a law!!
@ShootStraight84
Жыл бұрын
You misunderstood the question on the form
@front69z
Жыл бұрын
the question 21.n.1 and 2 leave blank if ur us citizen and legal resident
@carlosmorris4510
Жыл бұрын
But it doesn't say legal resident...? It only says US citizen or national.
@noquestionbeatz6364
11 ай бұрын
Are You A Us Citizen if so then leave Blank ..
@dragonf1092
Жыл бұрын
City ordinances are not law.
@504Trey
Жыл бұрын
U don't need guns anyway because guns are dangerous
@barrymcguyer6206
Жыл бұрын
Good video, but you ramble on to much.
@michaelortiz4978
9 ай бұрын
This atf bs is nonsence.i
@franciscoromero8105
27 күн бұрын
Skip to 3:40 to find out about the question just saving you some time.
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