For clarification, I'm not against means to reduce time in a closed environment of speedrunning, but since Nintendo made it clear with those "STRATEGY UNAVAILABLE" and detected 11 known glitches, I expect that if that ladder tech is real, that they update the game, otherwise a myriad of players will leave and the purpose of the standard rules will be for nothing. But that's just my opinion, you can, with due respect, disagree with me 😎
@jasonhubbard6775
Ай бұрын
Man, I saw that replay and my jaw hit the floor. Can't believe invisible ladders were used. Granted, there is no prize money, but everyone who used this glitch should be disqualified.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@jasonhubbard6775 I couldn't agree more! 👍🏼 It is really disheartening to put all our efforts to be the best and some random player breaks the game with an unfair tech that puts them in 1st with a false victory. I hope Nintendo open their eyes and fix that (and ban the player if they used hacks)
@IrieIslandGaming
Ай бұрын
@@jasonhubbard6775 if that is legitimately part of the game without modification of the game then it's all good to me! I agree with you if they modified the game to do that!
@TopOfAllWorlds
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse that's a glitch, and everyone is able to do it. Unless it was specified in the rules otherwise, banning them would be wrong.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@TopOfAllWorlds It is a glitch indeed. According to other players, it is doable but tremendously hard. The thing is, do you have a video with this ladder glitch going upwards on youtube?
@thogameskanaal
Ай бұрын
Billy Mitchell wants to know your location.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@thogameskanaal NO GOD PLEASE NO LMAO 🤣🤣🤣 Gonna call Karl Jobst anything happens 😅
@LanternArson
Ай бұрын
Nintendo definitely knows about certain glitches, as you can't climb down the invisible ladder on this level or it will restart the level with a message saying "strategy unavailable." Same thing happens with the Mario 1-2 early warps glitch, but I guess going up the invisible ladder doesn't trigger their unavailable strategy message. They either missed that or think that it's viable since you're keeping within the boundaries of the main game. I suppose I'm in the minority opinion on this since I used to speedrun games, but I think this is a great way to have others try this out to challenge to either match or better the time this person got. This game is all about getting the fastest times after all. Then again, if this were the real competition, would that have been allowed? Probably not, but this is just the game replicating that and not the actual competition, so I say it's fair game. EDIT: I should mention I didn't do the invisible ladder glitch myself since I would have thought it would be an unavailable technique, but I was half-right lol
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@LanternArson I read your whole comment and I partly agree. Like, it's okay to do those glitches in a closed environment or even in an open championship if Nintendo didn't fix it. But listen, this comes from me, a guy who beat Contra III and Battletoads: this is a kind of trick that not everybody will be able to pull out, let alone casuals trying to have some chance in the 20% global results. If Nintendo fixes it, like they did with other 11 known glitches across the games, nice, otherwise, people will abandon the game cause, well, it's impossible to beat people who can do things like that.
@IrieIslandGaming
Ай бұрын
@@LanternArson do you have advice on how to do the ladder glitch upwards like that? I haven't been able to reproduce it yet! I'd love to learn how to do that! Fun to me if it's a legit part of the game. I'm only opposed if they modified the game that it's something only they can do and not something those without the mod can't.
@LanternArson
Ай бұрын
@@IrieIslandGaming Personally, I don't know how to do it myself, but I'm definitely going to try this out later hahaha! Seems to me it may be easier on the thumbstick rather than on the D-Pad since it looks like a roll on the top end of the inputs, so that's the best I got, unfortunately.
@LanternArson
Ай бұрын
@@IrieIslandGaming I got it to work. What you have to do is go left, then go right, then try to go up and left simultaneously (but not by pressing it in a diagonal sense like up+left). The game will think you're trying to climb a ladder where a ladder is placed, but in reality it's underneath Mario's location and you should get it. Just don't go down lol
@crono_8398
Ай бұрын
I had 20.16 w a nearly perfect run, looking forward to seeing my results. I didnt expect 1st place but this was discouraging to see. I was like 😳 whaaa???
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
Right? It's really sad for me to work hard just to see another player cheating with glitches. By the way, I have beaten my own record this morning on that challenge: kzitem.info1nWBhhj1WX0?feature=share
@afarley90
Ай бұрын
I have hit the original NES DK ladder glitch where you can go down. It just says "Strategy not available". I have hit the first invisible ladder a few times, but so inconsistent like 2/50 times trying. Can't hit the second one. My hands are starting to hurt. I think it is similar to the original Ladder Skip glitch on the OG NES DK. You just have to be on the side, perhaps on a raised platform, and then you can get the ladder (sometimes).
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@afarley90 Yup, we have found it's not hack or else. The problem is that many people worked hard to beat their own scores just to find out someone cheated the time by using the glitches, something strongly not recommended by Nintendo in many other instances.
@functionatthejunction
Ай бұрын
Well, its time to see if Nintendo is serious about preserving the game's integrity or if its pointless to even keep playing.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@functionatthejunction You can say that again! I was trying to get rank S in some challenges of the main championship and compete but now I won't be working that hard till Nintendo does something to prevent those broken techs from happening.
@M64bros
Ай бұрын
Maybe if someone could hack the game and remove the Rewind feature we can see if it's possible
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@M64bros sorry, but I didn't understand the "remove the rewind", can you explain it better? How could this explain the broken tech "!! player" did?
@M64bros
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverseNo problem I'll do my best to explain: In Nintendo World championships NES edition Whenever you die or do something else besides the task you are attending The game automatically gets you rewinded, If someone can hack the game and maybe remove the feature or do some interesting coding modifications To remove the rewind system/ feature in the game Then we can see if the games are fully playable.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
Thanks for explaining. I hope Nintendo releases a statement or updates the game cause even if it is possible to reproduce that, it's unfair with many other players (like me) who just want to execute timed jumps and try to get their best time under the rules of the game.
@puzzlescooks
Ай бұрын
Disgusting, I could not believe what I was seeing when I watched the replay. I have no idea how good I was with my 19 seconds but this is just wrong. Nintendo should not only fix this glitch but also update the challenges score boards and ban anyone who used this glitch from the score board.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@puzzlescooks 19 seconds? Wow, you got a time faster than mine and I cannot imagine how much you trained cause I spent lots of tries in that challenge. I think that if the person used any illegal means to climb those invisible ladders they should be banned for good, otherwise I dunno, maybe it's Nintendo's fault not to check their 1st places before releasing them today 🫤
@fco64
26 күн бұрын
Yeah but that's the point of speedruning is breaking the game to beat it as fast as possible lol
@puzzlescooks
26 күн бұрын
@@fco64 why ban all the other methods for this stage then and leave this one in?
@adrianhardiman3390
Ай бұрын
So wats the point in competing if some1 can break the game this way?
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@adrianhardiman3390 I couldn't agree more! If Nintendo doesn't address the problem and fix it by patches and updates, people will soon lose interest cause there's no way we can compete against cheaters like the !! player shown in the video. Even if the person hacked the game, it's up to Nintendo to block those broken records into their servers.
@ian_5184
Ай бұрын
As a gew have pointed out, this is not hacked. This is a glitch present in the original NES game. I guess its debatable if glitches should be allowed but I feel like its fair game since it's not hacked.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@ian_5184 Hm, do you have a link of a KZitem video demonstrating that? The only glitch I know of is the one Mario climbs the ladder DOWN and shows up right at DK's platform, which was removed. This one with 2 invisible ladders is new to me, I'll be waiting for KZitem source here for science reasons
@RetroCheats
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse It's the same tech as climbing down, except you go up instead
@IrieIslandGaming
Ай бұрын
I was wondering the same thing when I saw that! Interesting Nintendo banned the glitch to climb down the ladder but not this one!
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@IrieIslandGaming Right??? I went straight to KZitem, Twitter and other social media but nobody was commenting on that. Is Nintendo aware of that, I mean, they have the tools to ban whoever is breaking (with hacks) the game 😅 I hope anyone can help us in finding out how the player !! did that 🤔
@IrieIslandGaming
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse I can't find anything on this either. We can see his button presses too and tried it myself as well with no luck. I'm curious if it is a legit glitch in the game (which power to him then) or if he hacked/modified the game in some way.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@IrieIslandGaming My same thoughts here. Before posting this video, I tried even harder mimicking his button directions but it didn't work. I thought Nintendo was checking everyone's 1st places (at least rn that the game was released).
@MegaNerdX
Ай бұрын
@@IrieIslandGaming no it’s legit. I tried doing it myself mimicking the button presses & being just to the left of the ladder. I could only manage doing it once on the 1st invisible one, but couldn’t get the 2nd one to work
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@MegaNerdX Please, record and post in your channel and tag me there. We need to run tests to see this in action. Either way, with all due respect, it's an unfair tech that I hope that Nintendo remove in a future patch
It does feel like cheating. I tried to reproduce it and managed to climb the first invisible ladder 3 times in an hour. However, I still can't do it consistently and wish Nintendo would ban this. Otherwise there will be no fair competition. Frustrating.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@Danzelle Indeed! People need to remember that this game was not created to be broken, we know there are categories of speedrunning that endorse doing whatever means necessary like glitches to break records, but not this game. Nintendo even shows STRATEGY UNAVAILABLE when ppl try to employ the glitches that are known and were prohibited. It took you an hour to reproduce the video, imagine the other people who were not aware at that time and also spend hours to lower their time. I mean, I think glitches should be prohibited imo
@Danzelle
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse I agree. All glitches should be prohibited. Btw, I only managed to climb the first invisible ladder, but wasn't able to climb the second one or reproduce the whole run. What I had submitted prior to these attempts was a "regular" run I finished in 19,xx seconds. I also think the focus should be on "honest" speedrunning, not on attempting to reproduce glitches. Let's hope Nintendo takes care of it.
@andrewstansbury-cecil9122
Ай бұрын
not fair... is the player using a special gamepad with turbo or something? does it feel good to cheat?
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@andrewstansbury-cecil9122 As far as ppl in the comments section reported, they were also able to reproduce the glitch. Apparently, it's not a hack and anyone can try to pull it off if they know the commands in the D-PAD and the exact and perfect frame of positioning in the ladders.
@ClubNintendoFun
Ай бұрын
O ban vai chegar em quem teve a audácia de bugar o jogo mais recente do Switch e ainda por cima online. Tem que ter muita coragem pra fazer essa picaretagem aí e postar o recorde lá no servidor da Nintendo 🤦🏻♀️
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@ClubNintendoFun Eu tô só esperando com a plaquinha EU JA SABIA 😂
@gaWgaMes
Ай бұрын
De repente é um novo glitch no jogo que o cara descobriu. Eu achei show, tem vários glitches antigos que funcionam nesse jogo
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@gaWgaMes Então, meu amigo, longe de mim querer banir tudo, mas quem começou com o STRATEGY UNAVAILABLE foi a própria Nintendo que baniu uns 11 glitches conhecidos, entende? Se ela deixar esse passar, uma enxurrada de casuais e jogadores esforçados vao simplesmente abandonar o jogo e nem tem 1 mês de lançado 🫤
@ClubNintendoFun
Ай бұрын
@@gaWgaMesEu acho que se isso foi feito com hacks, a pessoa deveria ser banida. Se isso foi feito sem nada, ainda assim é injusto com todo mundo que jogou justo, que seja desqualificado pq a Nintendo baniu um monte de outros glitches e geral sabia que era pra jogar sob regras normais e nao glitches 🤷🏻♀️
@gaWgaMes
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse entao mas a strategy unvailable nao quer dizer necessariamente um glitch. No Mario 3 por exemplo o jeito mais rapido de fechar o ultimo desafio seria pegando a flauta na primeira fase, mas o jogo nao permite. E isso seria so um item normal do jogo, so quer dizer que eles nao querem pra fazer dessa maneira específica.
@MegaNerdX
Ай бұрын
I managed to get up the 1st invisible ladder, but couldn’t get it to work quick enough for the 2nd invisible one.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@MegaNerdX Wait a second, really? 😮 Did you post a video? Tag me in your channel, we gotta check that thing out 👍🏼
@MegaNerdX
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse I didn’t post a vid. After seeing the replay on the switch today, I tried doing it myself. I haven’t gotten it down yet fully to do it fast enough.
@IrieIslandGaming
Ай бұрын
@@MegaNerdX do you have any advice on how you were able to get it? I tired for awhile with no luck so far.
@MegaNerdX
Ай бұрын
@@IrieIslandGaming I believe you need to be a bit to the left of the ladder. I then rock the D-pad Left & Right quick while also having it hit Up & eventually Mario would climb.
@jewillia1979
Ай бұрын
Same thing happened to me. I got up the first but couldn't get the second one to work. Seems a little difficult to pull off.
@NeoSmoke
Ай бұрын
I was wondering the exact same thing about an hour ago when I watched the replay. Was searching the net until I found this video, then I tried to replicate it and managed to do it once. Not sure if I should finish the run or not if I manage to do it again.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@NeoSmoke I, personally, wouldn't do that because the game will save and send the record/video to Nintendo servers and as of now, July 29, we still don't know how they're gonna react to anyone pulling that trick off, which is against the challenge rule
@NeoSmoke
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse yeah that’s why I didn’t finish. Was able to do the first one 3 times with luck now but I can’t figure it out what the exact position and pose is to climb it.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@NeoSmoke Yeah, I'll update my channel with news regarding NWC changes in the near future (Nintendo in general as always). Thanks for sharing (and don't update your score till Nintendo says sth) 😅
@klonoasama6189
Ай бұрын
Yes it works! I do the same inputs and i do it
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
Beware of Nintendo disqualifying you if you sent your record to their servers, as of now, we don't know how Nintendo will react to that 😓
@fiftyshadesofurban
Ай бұрын
Welcome to speed running.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@fiftyshadesofurban Well, you're not saying anything new to me or the other players in the comment section here, the thing is if Nintendo will fix that since they have already patched 11 known glitches with the "STRATEGY UNAVAILABLE" message. I'm not against tricks to go under the clock in a closed environment, but if Nintendo doesn't fix that, though, people will leave and just the niche of speedrunning will be playing 🫤
@fiftyshadesofurban
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse I have seen comments saying that attempting to do the glitch now rewinds them. It still works on mine I was able to pull it off one time on one of the ledges, but could not pull it off on the others. May be that I didn't update mine. Idk.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@fiftyshadesofurban Well, again, as ppl are saying, this is apparently doable and the 1.1.0 version of the game didn't prevent some of them of continuing the challenge. My biggest concern, to be honest, was a person with hack sending hacked runs into Nintendo servers, then everyone would be doomed.
@Kilthan2050
Ай бұрын
I was seriously irritated when i watched that. No wonder my poor 42 year old reaction times couldn't compete. My belief is, if the glitch was there in the NES version, then fine, let the record stand. If its a NEW glitch, then no, records don't stand and fix it. The NES bugs couldn't be fixed without a full rerelease, thus why they remain in those speed running circles, for a n on-going competition rules have to be standard and applied evenly.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@Kilthan2050 I truly understand your frustration, but in my view, regardless of being an old or new glitch, it should be addressed like being removed or applying the STRATEGY UNAVAILABLE message cause many people also got frustrated cause they spent hours flying low in their records just to open the game and see another player cheating with a glitch. As I said in another comment, if it were in the wild, a closed environment, okay. But since its releases it is known that Nintendo doesn't want or encourage us to use bugs to break records.
@spineshark99
Ай бұрын
It’s TAS
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
If we see it that way, yup it is 😅
@Cliffordlonghead
Ай бұрын
Nintendo Ninja will get u
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@Cliffordlonghead I hope the person gets their record disqualified. It's unfair with everybody else who worked really hard by normal means.
@Cliffordlonghead
Ай бұрын
@@thesealverse oh it a upload video from twitter to your channel. oh by the way Gamexplain lead me to this video.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@Cliffordlonghead No prob, my friend. I hope Nintendo does something about that. Yeah, gamexplain ppl are awesome. Thanks for your comment here and credits 👍🏼
@RetroCheats
Ай бұрын
I did the glitch today, it's not easy. (I doubt I'll set a record since it takes me a while) You just got to climb up as you align with the ladder. If you fail, move a little to the left, and try again.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
@@RetroCheats Hm, I see. I dunno if I'll go after that for the sole reason we don't how grandma Nintendo will react, since they banned many glitches. I wouldn't recommend doing that in your Switch yet, since your data is sent to Nintendo servers 🫤
@RetroCheats
Ай бұрын
20.25 is slow, even without the ladder glitch. Speedrunning about being frame perfect, if you're trying to be the best. So instead of being mad, try to perfect the ladder strat.
@thesealverse
Ай бұрын
Who said 20.25 is really fast? I just said it was my record fair and square. In the comments here a person said that they got 19s and I even congratulated them for that. People who got a better time than me are mad, not me who just practiced a couple of times. Others spent hours just to find out somebody broke the standard rules for this game.
@functionatthejunction
Ай бұрын
Its not about being mad because you get a slower time, its about being mad that Nintendo is allowing cheating. Encouraging other people to beat cheaters by cheating even more than they do is not the correct answer.
@RetroCheats
Ай бұрын
@@functionatthejunction This is not cheating. It's frame perfect movement, which is what speedrunning is all about. Cheating is enabling a code or modifying the game. By your logic, fast accel in Super Mario Bros should also be cheating, since it requires frame perfect inputs to give yourself a faster start.
@functionatthejunction
Ай бұрын
@@RetroCheats Just because cheating required a lot of effort doesn't make it not cheating.
@RetroCheats
Ай бұрын
@@functionatthejunction If it's programmed in the game, it's not cheating. Unless if Nintendo creates a patch, they're allowing this glitch!
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