Small correction, Sarah Garza's other side is the Holding Cell card shown. So Flying Inhuman probably has a Holding Cell on the back of his card and so on. I imagine the Holding Cell Deck has a bunch of these you draw from randomly like the prelates in the Apocalypse scenario? When one is cleared, another enters play, until they're all gone and then you can defeat MODOK?
@DMWaldo
4 күн бұрын
I think the deck of Holding Cells makes sense. You shuffle them up and put it down. You defeat the top one and flip it as an ally, revealing the next Cell. Repeat until they are all gone. If you ever lose a rescued ally, they go back into the bottom of Holding Cell Deck, and you need to rescue them again before you can defeat M.O.D.O.K.
@DMWaldo
4 күн бұрын
I also wonder if you lose rescued allies and get the matching adaptoid environment somehow, perhaps a Treachery, or if you can remove an adaptoid environment by rescuing the matching inhuman captive. Probably not, but I'm a little concerned if there's no way to remove the adaptoid environments and get snowballed by the Scenario.
@antonysclark
2 күн бұрын
I wasn't particularly interested in a SHIELD expansion, but these villains actually do look quite intriguing.
@professorkid5129
4 күн бұрын
There was an announcement trailer released on Facebook, I believe, that briefly shows some of the other Thunderbolts' cards. Moonstone says: "Forced Response: When Moonstone activates, give her a tough status card.", Radioactive Man says: "Forced Response: After Radioactive Man activates against you, deal 1 damage to each character you control." and yes, Songbird says: "Forced Interrupt: When Songbird activates, give her 1 additional boost card for this activation." So you called it 😉Enjoyed the video.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Thanks! Not a Facebook person so had no idea. Moonstone seems pretty chill. She'll slow you down but I'd rather have that than Radioactive Man or Mach-IV!
@YourTamedLion
3 күн бұрын
Hey VillainTheory, it's guys. Absolutely share the hype for this expansion. And I didnt even have very specific things I wanted. I just hoped it would reflect the spy (and mole) theme somewhat that I loved from both the winter soldier movie and the A.o.S. series. But what they have delivered here in terms of design ideas alone is mindblowingly awesome. In terms of replayability but also the details of interaction that immediately make me think of certain heroes that I want to use for it. Like Thor (Aerial too, so he can block MACH-IV if needed) and some other avenger to go up Citizen V, so that I can repeatedly swap thunderbolt minions to him via the forced response of the main scheme. Favorite scenario therefore goes to Citizen V so far. I also appreciate how they evolved the theme of rescuing campaign allies. While in Rise of Redskull it was only optional to rescue allies in the Zola scenario and it was somewhat random who you get. Here it really seems like it is part of the main mission to rescue them and keep them with you to win the scenario. You also know exactly who you rescue and can plan your moves around the rescued allies abilities. Cards like Alert level in combination with vulnerable also seem really cool ideas. Away from only stunlocking villains and giving higher value to controlling minions. I am really looking forward to what they did with Nick Fury and Maria Hill the other not officially revealed Heroes. As always you did a great job of covering so much in 1 video again.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Your opening cracked me up ahaha! I recall how much you liked Winter Soldier and the series. They really nailed it here, in my opinion. Excited for the heroes and thanks so much!
@thomasmcintosh1452
2 күн бұрын
I'm glad this box doesnt have the Hope Summers problem of Tony's first box ( a unibiquitous element). I do worry Black Widow might be abit like Mysterio and Ebony Maw a fun villain and design but sometimes RNG leads to non games in the player's favour when the villain deck doesnt do its thing - or a Nebula on the extreme end of variance the other way where if she constantly finds preps its a quick snowball loss.
@neojaw2192
4 күн бұрын
So far I don’t find SHIELD expansion very appealing, but looking forward for the new heroes and cards 👍
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Totally fair!
@bryantstewart8280
4 күн бұрын
For MMA/UFC fans, GSP played Batroc in the movie. Doing his own stunts
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Awesome!
@aaaarg7053
4 күн бұрын
I feel like silhouette 2 might be Mockingbird as she has ties to A.I.M, S.H.I.E.L.D, & even Wakanda. And a nice opportunity for team-up cards.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
That's interesting, maybe I should have read this comment before making the next video haha! I would be happy if it was Mockingbird!
@aaaarg7053
3 күн бұрын
@@VillainTheory Same! Aaaalllthooough I've since reconsidered. In the silhouette I think she has a hood up, which combined with hair length leads me towards Agent 13 after all.
@Bumbum_Inspector
4 күн бұрын
Silhouettes are really easy: 1) Shiri 2) Morbius 3) Falcon 4) Black Cat
@DraxWithASax
4 күн бұрын
I think number 4 is Winter Soldier. Looks like a one arm push up and in the comics he has a cat named Alpine. The silhouettes are always an alter ego, and that pose looks more like a hero pose if it were to be Black Cat. For number 2, Morbius is an interesting guess that makes sense based on what we see, I wouldn't say that's easy or even likely though tbh lol. I'd still guess a female character over him based on the skinny arm
@Bumbum_Inspector
4 күн бұрын
@@DraxWithASax The Morbius thing was a meme that a lot of people were joking about BUT I'm not fully convinced with the 1-arm pushup. The legs are split so far apart that it looks more like a Spiderman-like pose to me which is why I put Black Cat there. I do however think Winter Soldier there is still very likely but if it is Black Cat, Morbius does make SOME sense as number 2 despite the meme. Plus he's a doctor and that might be a doctor coat in the silhouette but who knows? if they go that route, I guess they'd be saving people like Winter Soldier, Mockingbird, Songbird, etc for a 2nd wave?
@DraxWithASax
4 күн бұрын
@@Bumbum_Inspector for sure, Champions could use some good ol fashion morbin' so we can morb some villains. And yeah I get the leg thing, it's just hard to tell with only a silhouette. I just feel like a Felicia tease would look a lot more femine, but you never know, just cause the alter ego tease is the set precedent doesn't mean they'll always do it that way guaranteed
@Jaifaisunproust
3 күн бұрын
You've got 2 wrong
@VaultBoy13
3 күн бұрын
@@Bumbum_Inspector That what a one-armed push-up often looks like. The legs are spread out for stability.
@raysandrarexxia941
4 күн бұрын
Quake maybe? idk I couldn't figure them out
@Jaifaisunproust
3 күн бұрын
Shuri - bucky - falcon - silk
@Jaifaisunproust
3 күн бұрын
What did i win?
@bbyowll
3 күн бұрын
THUNDERBOLTS, MARIA HILL. I'm in.
@wkylegreen
3 күн бұрын
Very exciting expansion! These all look fantastic. Maybe FFG is doing this box’s announcement articles like AoA was. If so, we’ll get an article for the heroes, the campaign, each scenario, and the fifth villain before release. 😁
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
I 100% expect that! Or something to that effect
@VaultBoy13
3 күн бұрын
I think Shuri, Sam, and Winter Soldier are on lock. The 4th is so open it could be anyone. For the wildcard space, the idea I like the most is Yelena. I think a White Widow that iterates off of Black Widow's design could be really cool. She fits with the spy theme while being not-SHIELD. There's also a lot of room for SHIELD though with Mockingbird, Quake, Sharon Carter, etc. Quake leans into the Inhumans, but I'd rather they just outright do a wave of them. Mockingbird gives us another super soldier serum character. A more wild idea, is that the second image is a Skrull? Imagine someone like G'iah in a lab coat and crouching to pick something up. It also might fit in well with that last villain scenario to have Skrulls be behind everything too. There's also the possibility of just some other spy like Silk or Silver Sable.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
A Skrull is W I L D but I love it. Anything is possible.
@misterpreposterous5771
3 күн бұрын
One of the things I love about this game is how we can somewhat reliably guess heroes and villains that will be added, but actual mechanics of characters and scenarios always have so many surprises, even though it's 'just' a physical LCG. I'm particularly happy about modularity of the Thunderbolts scenario - I don't use modular minions from hero packs too often, but if each hero in the wave comes with a Thunderbolt, it would be a great bang for our buck. Makes me wonder if we'll get more scenarios evolving over time with new releases like that in the future.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
I hope we do. Perhaps it will depend on how popular it turns out to be in practice but I am so here for evolving scenarios.
@adamnowicki1425
3 күн бұрын
So far I see potential to like Black Widow the most, in GMW I really don't like 2 threat per player passive gain on main scheme, but for her, I actually hope for that, otherwise her ability would be to easy to play around
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Perhaps there will be encounter cards/mechanics that prevent us removing threat, or force Preparations to trigger in other ways? Either way I'm expecting to like it as well!
@mitosfive
3 күн бұрын
Citizen V is a multi-villain scenatio. You can see it on the back of the box that he is linked to another member of the Thunderbolts. I think its Screaming Mimi.
@VillainTheory
2 күн бұрын
Well I think they're huge villainous minions, not villains, but do effectively serve as villains
@josephgerman2674
3 күн бұрын
I really dislike the "spend two resources" mechanic. We want to spend our resources on cards - that's fun. Dumping our resources which could be used for fun cards -- dumps the fun. It's just lazy game design. There's so much possibility here: Send an ally to... Defend two attacks from... Discard until... Stun or Confuse these two... Flip to alter ego and investigate... Build up X overkill damage... Remove three toughs from... Heal X damage from... After the villain schemes, advance... Etc...
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Totally fair. Are you referring to the campaign officers that you spend resources on to remove secret counters? In their defense, they need to be applicable to every box scenario and work for a huge variety of heroes, aspects and decks within those aspects. Resources are just something everyone has that work for every situation. And in this case, the resources aren't just keeping the game afloat like Collector 1 or Nebula. You get something beneficial for doing it, which could lead to strategic moves like paying for the medical officer to keep your best buffed ally alive. Or you can seemingly just let the campaign officers turn against you if you don't think it's worthwhile in the moment.
@josephgerman2674
3 күн бұрын
@@VillainTheory Yes, the officers. I mean the Core set has plenty of fun mechanics on which I'd rather spend my resources, or they could just include some cards / mechanics to use for this. But flipping, healing, attacking, thwarting, exhausting, defending --all those are great fun to do... They could even write in something, like how Ultron flips your cards and makes them into drones with scenario rules, the officers could flip your allies into "alter ego" with scenario rules. I mean it's really just relabeling things, but sometimes theme matters.
@sedlak87
4 күн бұрын
Batroc is too similar to collector. Maybe they are running out of ideas?
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Hm, I personally don't think it's too similar but that's totally fair. Batroc is modelled on that scenario to a degree, but it's more interesting to me than a "defeat all their hp to win" scenario for the 50th time. I like them of course, but this is exciting
@painface98
3 күн бұрын
Looks good, and thank God someone made a video without that damn chat in the video I am not a fan
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Ahaha. There are pros to making videos out of live streams but I totally get it. No live streams here!
@painface98
3 күн бұрын
@@VillainTheory well keep it up I enjoy the content.
@WinningHandPodcast
3 күн бұрын
BAT ROCK
@waytothedawn94
4 күн бұрын
That 2nd silhouette is such a wildcard to me, which is nice after guessing all of the last 8 hero packs straight away. I'm thinking it's probably Mockingbird or a redeemed Yelena (maybe she's a double agent), based on the hair. But another left field pick could be Songbird, as she is more hero than villain in the comics and the hair suits her too. Other options that fit the theme are Quake, Agent 13 or even Peggy Carter, but i dont think any of these are likely
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
It's so tough to call it! No idea who Songbird really is but would honestly be happy with any of them if they were mechanically interesting
@waytothedawn94
4 күн бұрын
Also, super intrigued to see who the last villain(s?) is for the box. Baron Zemo makes a bit of sense based on Citizen V, but it could also be someone who isnt even teased, like Sentry, Red Hulk or the Super Adaptoid
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Baron Zemo is my best guess, but all of those sound fun! Especially Red Hulk!
@DMWaldo
4 күн бұрын
I wasn't all that jazzed about a SHIELD expansion, but I really like what I see so far in these Scenario designs. I really like the stealth mission concept.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Tony has done some excellent design work
@bryantstewart8280
4 күн бұрын
They basically combined CLUE with Marvel. I’m down
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Why not?
@girlmeetsmeeple5415
4 күн бұрын
I thought this would be one I’d likely skip (or at least hold off on) because I guessed the heroes and I wasn’t excited, but this campaign looks really fun. I think they were really smart to show these villains instead of the heroes. Also, I’m excited to see the thunderbolts and I hope we (now or later) have a way to redeem them as while they were recruited to be villains posing as heroes, most changed sides and became heroes. So I’d love to see that arc play out since they are bringing them into the Mc world.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Maybe! I'm really excited to see the other Thunderbolts too! And I hope the heroes are this exciting!
@WinningHandPodcast
4 күн бұрын
Love the deep dive man! It was great to hang with you earlier today on livestream
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
It was fun!
@jsnel9185
4 күн бұрын
Instant click.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Instant heart.
@bradleyscott6304
4 күн бұрын
Nice 'they fly now' reference on flying upgrade. I'm guessing Echo, falcon and winter soldier, and mockingbird.
@VillainTheory
3 күн бұрын
Oh Echo is a really intriguing idea!
@j_atkinson
4 күн бұрын
Hey VT, I don't know if you're compressing your audio or speeding it up, but it didn't come out well this time around. I had to stop watching because I couldn't listen through the choppiness of your voice.
@VillainTheory
4 күн бұрын
That's sad, nothing different than usual in terms of settings etc, and I never speed anything up. Ah well. I was definitely more tired than usual in recording so maybe that's had an effect!
@Zaszz1
4 күн бұрын
@@VillainTheory sounded normal to me, you maybe were a little more rushed in your speech, but I didn't notice chopiness or audio issues. It's possibly a tech issue somewhere in the delivery to this user. who knows.
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