"We are not drug traffickers" ...said every drug trafficker ever.
@CherDavis-pk5sn
3 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@marijorieholoway6783
3 ай бұрын
Ty
@mitchamcommonfair9543
3 ай бұрын
True, but there isn't any evidence that he is one. Where would he be doing it from and to? He might have sold a bit in a nightclub, but a mule doesn't make sense
@itssamiyoutube
3 ай бұрын
They ain't drug mules.
@nickrowntree
3 ай бұрын
Anyone who thinks that he decided to go climbing rocky hills and chopping through bushes at 8am in the morning after spending all night awake drinking and taking drugs, rather than wait for a bus, has never spent all night awake drinking and taking drugs. And to get to the sea? Why does he want to get to the sea? To swim home? with his 1000 quid iPhone in his pocket? And all this instead of waiting for a bus? Or calling a cab from the nearby café? Gimme a break.
@jakefrank8167
3 ай бұрын
That’s bullshit because you have a false sense Of confidence when you have partied all night and done drugs so your wrong he also slept in the house at the air b n b before he set of
@stephentaylor5500
3 ай бұрын
I agree. Very unlikely anyone on a drugs comedown would attempt that trail especially further down with no phone navigation especially when you see this footage of the trail.
@janinabuczynska9939
3 ай бұрын
@@jakefrank8167He was only at the Airbnb for an hour and l doubt he was there to sleep.
@katrinaevans7872
3 ай бұрын
It’s all a lie Make you right
@paulabound7050
3 ай бұрын
Wasn't he on a 3 day drink and drugs bender, how many hours did he sleep and how long does 1% battery last? All sounds totally ridiculous to me.
@ljpps
3 ай бұрын
Great video Michelle. I live here in Tenerife only 5 mins from Los Chris and i have friends who live in Santiago del Teide the terrain is horrendous and i wouldn't wish the walk off road or on road to anyone!. Regardless of how this lad lived his life he is still just 😢😢a young lad whom on the after effects of a night out possibly on drugs but definitely alcohol must of gone into full on panic attack mode. What he must of gone through is extremely sad. I hope they find him one way or another.😢
@Surv1ve_Thrive
3 ай бұрын
Interesting to hear your view, thank you. Its an intriguing story. Many of us know these islands. What is it like to live there? If I may ask.
@ljpps
3 ай бұрын
@@Surv1ve_Thrive it's amazing. Such a beautiful life. It seems to be being dragged thru the mud at the moment but you can find the bad in any place if you look hard enough. On the whole it's a stunning relaxed friendly island and we love it here xx 😘
@ljpps
3 ай бұрын
@@Surv1ve_Thrive by going through something I mean if he is sadly passed he must of been so scared and that is extremely sad. I hope not but the heat here is unreal at the mo 😔
@StellaKnights
3 ай бұрын
due to his youth and inexperience Jay probably thought the entire island coastline was beaches , just like it is in los cristianos and would be dotted with cafes and bars all the way back , what a shock it must have been when he realised his mistake and by now so tired and dehydrated , he wouldnt have the energy to rectify the situation.
@Foxtrottangoabc
3 ай бұрын
Yes his first holiday abroad , he's just genuinely inexperienced in lots of things
@mitchamcommonfair9543
3 ай бұрын
But it's obvious to anyone that the coast of Tenerife has cliffs with sheer drops to the sea. Even someone who has only been there a few days can see this. The terrain is very noticeable, even viewing it from an urban area.
@emmsue1053
3 ай бұрын
This makes so much sense, if I were in jays position and lost out there I would eventually think I will find a cave where there is shade and carry in an hour or so. Think he is out there somewhere.. Horrible situation to be in.. Thanks Michelle. Hope he can found soon.
@patsysolatzzo2962
3 ай бұрын
It’s very easy to die of exposure in such terrain. Exposure means a combination of heat, dehydration, bugs, and wildlife. I would love to hear if there’s anything out there on that particular area jay was in that other people went hiking and missing in as well and how long they were missing before they were found.
@dududududududu-z8c
3 ай бұрын
You've obviously lived in a cave your entire life if you think that my dear. The world isn't all butterflies and roses unfortunately.
@godsgod1677
3 ай бұрын
The more I hear about this kid the more I think he shouldn't have been left unsupervised let alone allowed out of the country without an adult.
@CherDavis-pk5sn
3 ай бұрын
Jay Slater was in a gang that attacked an innocent kid with machetes, left him with half his brain exposed. Jay is a slimeball who thought he could play 'drug dealer' in Tenerife. Thought he could play games with the 'big boys'. I used to live in Tenerife and you don't steal from the drug cartels! I think he is being held until his 'debt' is paid through GFM.
@cashkitty3472
3 ай бұрын
He's not a kid he is 19 and I'm clearly doesn't have food values or a sense of risk. Parents have some blame in this
@Foxtrottangoabc
3 ай бұрын
He would have had zero sleep , still under influence of alcohol and possible drugs , and he had no water and probably already dehydrated before he left the appartment . Within 3 to 4 hrs of walking which takes him to the heat of midday sun he would already be in trouble physically by lunch time. And the jint of a road or house in distance would have been a priority for him to try and reach . But his clarity of thought was severely hampered from the start
@donnacottrell8540
3 ай бұрын
When Jay realised his phone battery was so low and the map gave him a 20 hour route he should have sent his current location and stayed put and asked to be rescued, not set off on an impossible trek without water. I too think he was headed for the sea.
@bluehairedbingobabe
3 ай бұрын
Good to see at least _one_ hiker/searcher using hiking poles. That terrain is way to dangerous to traverse without them. Hiking in the blazing sun with 6ft tall cacti and rock outcroppings in running togs is at best, ill advised. Long sleeved, UV protection shirt, long pants and hiking boots are minimal gear. I didn't see anyone carrying a liter of fresh water, either.
@helenmcqueen607
3 ай бұрын
I saw a case man went missing in Spain ,2 years before they found his body ,had slipped down in a small crevice ❤
@dannymurphy1779
3 ай бұрын
I think it's likely this is what happened here.
@georgezee5173
3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately it does happen. Just because they didn't manage to find Jay's body it doesn't mean it's not out there in that very area. Too many people are jumping to the conclussion that if they haven't found him/his body then it can only mean he was never there... What a bunch of nonsense!
@billybobdog3815
3 ай бұрын
If this is the case he will be in the deep undergrowth
@sharonedwards-kk1pd
3 ай бұрын
I love how you cover cases, Michelle. Praying for Jay’s friends and family and the searchers, including the dogs. May they find Jay very soon.
@SheikhDjibouti
3 ай бұрын
Such a sad story. Young lads just don't see danger. I hope that he's found.
@shakirarodriguez4436
3 ай бұрын
He only had 1% has already called his fiend to say he had no battery ....no way was he following a map
@CherDavis-pk5sn
3 ай бұрын
Exactly! And he also managed to send brad a vid call to say he was 'slipping down stones' (???) on 1% battery. Puleeez. I can barely get a text out on 1%.
@CW1971
3 ай бұрын
@@CherDavis-pk5sn I thought he'd called Brad first and was already walking so had probably already gotten his route from maps. Then he called Lucy a bit later (I've heard other people say Lucy called him, I don't know) and that's when he was on 1%
@aurorahaze7833
3 ай бұрын
@@CW1971yeah the call to Brad obv happened before his phone went 1%
@janinabuczynska9939
3 ай бұрын
@@CW1971wait this guy is off his head enough to make the stupid decision to walk ten hours in rough terrain with little sneakers on yet he's together enough to follow Google maps off road. Jeez, l am old and sober but whenever l try to follow those maps on city streets l get lost. They are notoriously bad to decipher.
@RobMedvedev
3 ай бұрын
How do you know he had 1% ( please don't say " because Lucy said so) 😂😂😂
@deafisto
3 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter what map he was using imo. The question is, why would anyone ever choose 11 hours or 20 hours walking over a 2 hour wait for a bus? That's not a difficult choice to make, let's be honest.
@pjohnwilliams6941
3 ай бұрын
Good point but maybe he had no money
@georgezee5173
3 ай бұрын
But you're assuming he was walking back to the hotel. He was probably just walking around knowing his bus was going to come in 2 hours. Once he felt he was lost, that was it for him.
@joysboy6588
3 ай бұрын
If you're asking me to put "2&2 together", Jay Slater was dealt with after an "expensive stolen watch" went missing. It has been claimed by Mark Williams Thomas that he knows for FACT that "it was on a Saturday night" that Jay Slater & "marli boys" (i.e. the same Somailia boys renting the Air B n B in Masca) stole a watch. We know this for FACT because that's what Jay Slater himself bragged & boasted about on social media. We don't know whether Jay Slater stole the watch in partnership with the "Marli boys" or whether, Jay Slater seized the opportunity to steal the watch while with the "Marli boys". But it's FACTUAL that Jay Slater did steal an "expensive stolen watch". Very interestingly, it has also been revealed that the brand of "expensive stolen watch" is NOT a Rolex, admittedly (& again) bragged & boasted by Jay Slater himself. The brand of watch stolen is an Audemars Piguet. Make & model stolen, worth around £50k brand new. It has also been speculated that the owner of the watch is connected politically (so in with the Mayor/s, councillors & corrupt legal system & police), but also (& realistically) connected to the world of drugs. There is also talk of the owner of the Air B n B in Masca also being politically connected on the island of Tenerife. Apparently, he's a former Mayor who lost the position due to corruption. Therefore & considering the above, is it outside the realms of reality that after the owner of the "expensive stolen watch" realised his watch was missing, he very quickly realised that the only people that could have stolen the watch was Jay Slater & the "marli boys". Please note, that's what Jay Slater himself refers the Air B n B guests as on social media posts, "the Marli boys". The owner of the "expensive stolen watch" contacted "the Marli boys" & via the phone interrogated "the Marli boys". In turn, they immediately cracked. Why would they crack under pressure? Unlike Jay Slater, "the Marli boys" have a lot of time & money invested in Tenerife, via a "coffee shop". Obviously, they still want to visit Tenerife & crucially, make money on the island hassle free. So for those reasons, "the Marli boys" agreed with the owner of the stolen watch to double cross Jay Slater & trade him in at their rented Air B n B in the isolated village of Masca. In my opinion, that's why "the Marli boys" travelled all that way, to collect Jay & drive him back all that way, after the "NRG" rave. But When Jay got back to the Air B n B in Masca, he (somehow) picked up that the whole thing was a set up & fled the Air B n B. But by then, it's all too late for Jay. The owner of the "expensive stolen watch" is well & truly on his way (realistically, with others) to hunt Jay Slater down in the Tenerife wilderness, or better put, in (quite literally) his own back yard. In my opinion, the owner of the "expensive stolen watch" is someone that is definitely politically connected on the island of Tenerife. If you think that claim is sensational. The very fact that the brand of watch stolen is an Audemars Piguet, make & model stolen, worth around £50k brand new (or Rolex for that matter) is an outright statement by it's owner that "I'm a very wealthy person" & having that kind of wealth usually carries power & influence. Hence why the blatant half hearted effort to find Jay. Hence why so much silence to the extent that much of what either we hear from the Spanish Authorities, the family or "friends" of Jay or MSM hardly makes any sense. Most stunning of all, how/why did the Spanish Authorities say & from the word "GO" that the two Somalia boys were of "no relevance to their inquiries" when obviously they were. Clearly, it's one BIG cover-up going on until the story dies down because REALISTICALLY, Jay Slater stole from someone that has power & influence on the island of Tenerife. From there, Jay Slater was well & truly out of his depth & has been (realistically) hunted down & dealt, in the Tenerife wilderness of Masca by people that hold power & influence on the island of Tenerife. Hence why & as of yet, no body or not even an item of Jay Slater has yet to be recovered. To get to the bottom of this mystery, the Spanish police & along with Jay's family, need to focus their attention on, (1) exactly who is/was the owner of the "expensive stolen watch" , (2) exactly when & where was it stolen from & (3) exactly what/why was Jay & "the Marli boys" doing at the premises. It is the owner of the "expensive stolen watch" that holds most of the answers to close this mystery. However, I also get the impression that the owner of the "expensive stolen watch" is someone best left alone & not to be upset....
@neil1541
3 ай бұрын
Where was the watch stolen from? A watch of such value would be on someones wrist
@LeakedWisdom808
3 ай бұрын
^ This
@LeakedWisdom808
3 ай бұрын
@@neil1541 Nobody wears a wristwatch 100% of the time, ever. People do take them off.
@Foxtrottangoabc
3 ай бұрын
I think if foul play has happened you are very close to the mark. The somali guy said Jay arrived alive and left alive , which is a slightly odd thing to say maybe a Freudian slip , as he is saying the truth but knows a third party was involved or they were involved outside of the property. The witnesses if all valid still point to jay wondering around completely lost with no water , no phone , no sleep , on alcohol and other drugs maybe, and almost certainly dehydrated before he left bnb , in about 4 hrs lunchtime he would already be in serious physical trouble from heat and dehydration if he was unable to get assistance .
@MrsDrGonzo1971
3 ай бұрын
I think he's missing because he stole the watch. He got "done away with".
@misshappinessandmissflower
3 ай бұрын
Phone pings can be so inaccurate. I had someone log into our disney plus and it told me the location was Berkshire, when in actual fact, it was miles away, totally different county. At least four hours away from where the info was recorded
@derekthomas8147
3 ай бұрын
Thanx Michelle for your thoughts always good Sue
@waresmejumper2105
3 ай бұрын
I can't get pass the fact he did not hang around for the bus instead wanting to get out of the area and walk we're he would not be scene.
@hedgehogwildlifejunction9119
3 ай бұрын
it was a two hour wait for bus, being young and impetuous i expect he thought he could walk quicker. who knows no one does. i just hope they find his body soon. so we can just put this poor young man to rest.
@markfox2043
3 ай бұрын
Maybe he was never waiting or, going to tht bus anyways, bus can be used as a focus point, an alibi
@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555
3 ай бұрын
He's a wrong un, mixing with wrong uns, then being last seen in the company of a very, very wrong un, and now he's missing. Everything points to him not going anywhere alone.
@hedgehogwildlifejunction9119
3 ай бұрын
turn the page for god sake dont be lazy. He left school was working 3 years as a bricklayers apprentice worked flipping hard his boss thought highly of him. yes he made a mistake at 16 and paid for it, his boss had no problems with him he want to work everyday. he felt he needed a holiday with his friends, to get over his past. he hasnt been in trouble since. leave his character out of it. .
@RickONeill-1964
3 ай бұрын
My first thought was, “Homosexual teen goes missing”. Am I wrong?
@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555
3 ай бұрын
@@hedgehogwildlifejunction9119 He's gone that straight that he ended up with a convicted drug dealer in the back of beyond, instead of going back to his apt. Happens all the time.....
@LeakedWisdom808
3 ай бұрын
"He's a wrong un, mixing with wrong uns, then being last seen in the company of a very, very wrong un, and now he's missing. " ... not sure what part of that is mysterious to you. SMH
@lulasnannajodie7723
3 ай бұрын
@@hedgehogwildlifejunction9119they didn't pay for it though did they - what they did warranted prison time
@TheMaisiewoofwoof
3 ай бұрын
So i was a 90s raver. Did the party drugs etc. Jay most likely was taki g something recreationally and probably drinking too. Travels back to the remote Airbnb, in the dark, and most likely never took a blind bit of memorable notice of where he was going. Wakes up in the morning and blindly trusts the map on his phone. Its important to note, party drugs dehydrate you intensely, henwouldve been in trouble quickly, i dont think hes too far, just not where theyve been searching. One thing thats been stated recently by Non Tiktok sources is that this Johnny Vegas character told Jay he could use his mates charger and Jay went in his room to get it!!! So why the 1%battery statement?
@coralieg1947
3 ай бұрын
This makes more sense to me! Thank you!
@LittleBearPaws
3 ай бұрын
Thanks Michelle x
@journeytakesatrip
3 ай бұрын
This makes so much sense. Following Apple Maps and video calling his friends would have used up all his phone battery, but instead of staying put and waiting for rescue in the spot he sent his location to his friends on Snapchat (where he definitely would have been found) he heads for what he likely thought would be a beach with cafes to get a drink, and be able to walk back to his accommodation along the sand. Instead he either falls on the rocky ground and ends up somewhere hidden, or makes it to the sea and there’s no way around, except maybe across slippy rocks.
@Craig-wp3pz
3 ай бұрын
I think he left the Air B&B , was followed, thrown in a car, then possibly a boat 🚢 🤔 , but by this time, it was a body disposal, involving the hosts rental car, then probably a small boat somewhere, some rope and something heavy..... 😳
@rbak
3 ай бұрын
Good work Sherlock
@PartialSilence1
3 ай бұрын
I personally think Planes, Trains and Automobiles. Oh, scrap that, that was the name of a film from 1987.
@wendiethompson3047
3 ай бұрын
Huge drama🙈
@darrenporter1850
3 ай бұрын
No. Then this would have happened at the bus stop then, and there would have been witnesses.
@georgezee5173
3 ай бұрын
We all know it makes more sense to do all those things you mention at 9 am in broad daylight, instead of having them done a couple of hours earlier, when it was darker and less people was circulating that area 👌
@juliegranzow8450
3 ай бұрын
He supposedly Texted Lucy this, not called her. Who's to say it was actually him texting. Those 2 guys could of killed him & sent that text out to throw everyone off. Just a hunch!
@Mike75575
3 ай бұрын
Theres people on here that think the searchers couldnt have missed him. An athlete went missing on mount Teide . Wasnt found for 3 years despite many searches for him. Victor Teni rip.
@CherDavis-pk5sn
3 ай бұрын
The searchers could have missed him. But the dogs, no.
@Mike75575
3 ай бұрын
@@CherDavis-pk5snDogs missed Vuctor too.
@stevenfarrell9187
3 ай бұрын
Ayub and Lucy obviously planned to rob who she works for and jay is the fall guy. They met weeks prior and she booked the airbnb
@johnnyhock
3 ай бұрын
All you said, climbing, clambering, cove to cove etc …. Or Wait 2 hours for the next bus ! 🤔 It’s obvious to me. He was involved in something unsavoury, like the drug theory, crossed his handlers and like the saying goes, F*ck about and find out ! The lad’s dead, possibly buried, possibly weighted down in the sea, at the hands of the people he crossed. His phone was flung into the mountains. Abdul, Brad and Lucy know exactly what happened to him ! Just my opinion, but it fits much better than all these stupid “made a wrong turn and got lost” stories….. No need to make a wrong turn - another bus in 2 hours !
@mabeluk6272
3 ай бұрын
He took a wrong turn in life sadly.
@Angiebaby-uh8zx
3 ай бұрын
Thanks Michelle xx
@leeevans9654
3 ай бұрын
Michelle, you may well have a point, but surely police and rescue will have looked at all possible routes. I hope that they find the young lad Jay alive. I feel for him family.
@MichelleAfterDark
3 ай бұрын
No one has searched those deep ravines
@leeevans9654
3 ай бұрын
@@MichelleAfterDark Oh I see. That's poor then, cannot understand why the Spanish search rescue haven't looked in to this place. Hope its a positive outcome.
@lukesters7234
3 ай бұрын
Oh come on. Why is he off trail? Seen some suggestions he thought it was a shortcut but that's utter nonsense. The whole premise of him trying to walk back is ludicrous. From all accounts he's not a daft lad or not so daft that be would think he could a) walk all that way by road b)he would be better off going across rocky terrain. The last call to Lucy about falling and getting cut by a cactus sounds so much like the kind of story that a group of teens might concoct if they were trying to make up a false situation. They're not very clever these kids, they would have thought, ok what could we say to create an idea that he's hurt and lost. First thing that comes to mind is, oh he could have fallen and cut himself on a cactus...theyve watched too many cartoons. Possibly Wil E Coyote when they were little.And lets just think about this. How much harm would a cactus do to you? I don't know what has happened, I have no alternative theory, I don't know these guys or their motives so I'm not going to start throwing around allegations, but that “last call” just seems so implausible and so much the product of a young naive persons narrative. We will see or not.
@stevetoyne
3 ай бұрын
All of his problems could have been easily solved by returning to the guest house. Therefore , there was a reason he didn't return.
@ThePurpleCheesecakeZebra
3 ай бұрын
they say a phone pinged in x location and its in undergrowth. but i doubt theres many phone masts to have anywhere near an accurate enough location within anything close to 500m radius. also, and i think this is the key thing everyones forgetting, maybe if he had gone back with his friends instead of insisting he could stay out adn stay at some strangers house he would have been prefectly safe and not got lost in the morning trying to walk 11 hours hungover
@nanettecostanza537
3 ай бұрын
I wonder if "someone" threw his phone down a crevice or ravine...and he's not even out THERE
@wendiethompson3047
3 ай бұрын
Who and why?@@nanettecostanza537
@LilliieBee_xx
3 ай бұрын
Michelle with respect to you, your saying prove this prove that, but you can’t prove he walked off track either. Why would he go walking 11 hours through rough terrain then just wait a couple hours for Bus. He wouldn’t have got that far that you’re talking about. And fell into the Sea? Your daft
@MichelleAfterDark
3 ай бұрын
I’ve never said proven, I’m saying what is possible
@SusanPhillips-pn2em
3 ай бұрын
If his phone cut out he would not be able to know where he was going and have they searched the sea because it ts getting so long now x
@ClaireisVegan
3 ай бұрын
He may of looked at the route for a minute but no longer if his phone was on 1%. I have got lost using google maps to walk. Imo its far more likely he had a fall going off the path than foul play.
@ashab1
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like he is legit missing sad to say after this amount of time
@stonedoliveees
3 ай бұрын
Whats it like flying day time over to land at Tenerife with a view of the coast line? Would anyone consider walking the coast line terrain from that birds eye view? Then again it might have been an evening flight. 🛬
@Oshunsprite
3 ай бұрын
So true. Terrible if he fell in a ravine or cave. Did they call out for him? So if alive he could answer. What is so befuddling is WHY did he go off on his own?
@robinfereday6562
3 ай бұрын
why didn't he ask the two men who took him to the villa for a lift back to his hotel in the morning? why didn't the two men offer him a lift when they knew they were leaving that day ?
@jacqui7261
3 ай бұрын
That is what I thought why not clear some of the vegetation and let the dogs that sniff phones out loose there. But they have to give the dogs the ability to get into the brush, the dogs are valuable creatures , helping in searches.
@shellyshearing393
3 ай бұрын
The Apple Maps theory makes kind of sense but Jay supposedly state that he had an 11 hour walk when on the phone to Lucy and not 20 which I think maybe disproves Mark doojymaflip’s theory.
@Foxtrottangoabc
3 ай бұрын
Eleven hours is very specific
@georgezee5173
3 ай бұрын
Are you sure he stated that during that phonecall? First time I hear of that. Every time I've read the 11-hour walk thing it was just to clarify that it would've taken him 11 hours to acomplish such a thing. I have never read that he actually had the intention to walk down back to his hotel room. It was always just a guess.
@stephenbadman697
3 ай бұрын
Very good idea. This theory should be shared with the family.
@bizzyduffy873
3 ай бұрын
You would imagine the cadavar dogs would have picked up a scent even if he was down a crevice. Its very sad the whole thing.
@jojoanne2468
3 ай бұрын
He's been missing for 3 wks sad to say but he's dead or some1 would have seen him by now xx
@WalkaboutBridge
3 ай бұрын
I’m late in on this case. Thank you for being you, Michelle. Sunday love to you and yours, two legs and four. I promise to catch up, tomato 🍅 Xx
@columboinvestigates8840
3 ай бұрын
Michelle - On Brads ITV interview he did say that Brad said he wasnt going to follow all those roads and cut across terrain......so yes you have a point....i think he walked further then the rescuers thought......he seemed quite high on energy that morning and walked a lot further. I alos think by first day he was dead.......by afternoon and night time he would ahve heard helicopters and seen lights from vehicles and villages....this would have given him a point of reference to walk to.
@melstiller8561
3 ай бұрын
But, if Jay's phone only had 1% of the battery left, how could he have followed Apple Maps, or any other app for that matter?
@Mychannel67-wh4tc
3 ай бұрын
Ava Al-Goddess wrote - true about the Maruba boat, lucy & the two men. Jay was shot and dumped in the sea. Lucy and the others had no choice but to comply and launch his phone down that ravine. He was taken to the maruba balkan cartel trafficking boat shot and sunk with a heavy vest. He broke the code. It's sad that these gangs will watch a lads head fall off on drugs then he fucks up and when the order comes from high up Senegal bosses. Maruba is a known cartel running a vessel that makes regular trips to Senegal. This is sends a message to other runners like Lucy. The vessel was there for 2 hours. Hope that helps
@paulabsolom1230
3 ай бұрын
Family definitely don't need to be told to smile
@jwick5774
3 ай бұрын
If he fell, there would have been vultures flying above the area for days.
@MichelleAfterDark
3 ай бұрын
Not necessarily if he fell down a deep ravine or he died in a cave
@isabellflorence4956
3 ай бұрын
As soon as I hit “send” you talked about caves 😂😂😂
@mitchamcommonfair9543
3 ай бұрын
I don’t think it's likely that he went 'up' the road. Even if a map (apple) tells you to, it doesn't make sense to do it. Everyone knows maps can take you the wrong way. Especially if he was asking about buses. It would make more sense to walk down to the next bus stop. It's what people do. The thought that 'the bus is in a while, I might as well walk part of the way and get the bus further down'. Kind of thinking.
@kimballentyne3482
3 ай бұрын
Jay probably now realises he's been set up (from people he met at the music festival) and has tried to escape, but has ended up in a different land or sea location; he's not happy, and neither are all his family.
@Maxi7442
3 ай бұрын
Point is, why would he go off the trail? You wouldn't need basic common sense to know not to do that. You cant get through it, full stop.
@TaylorGirl777
3 ай бұрын
We know that sadly I reckon no sleep for 3 days and been high as a kite on god knows what might have changed his thinking somehow. Just my opinion 🥰 poor lad all the same 😢
@marymary2998
3 ай бұрын
Thank you Michelle for what you found love from Yorkshire xx❤❤
@lulasnannajodie7723
3 ай бұрын
Intoxicated and young - they think they are invincible and could take on superman
@Maxi7442
3 ай бұрын
@lulasnannajodie7723 I agree...but that bush is practically impenetrable.
@JustKatTalking
3 ай бұрын
I’m wondering if he was following this apple map,and maybe dropped his phone and that’s why it pinged where it did? I don’t know, this cases gets more complicated everyday
@lulufalulu7877
3 ай бұрын
So I saw a stream earlier that had pictures and video supposedly of the night he went missing, and it showed he had white trainers on, the photo on the steps smoking had black shoes,could you have a look at this for us?
@christopperlondel3318
3 ай бұрын
Great point. Not been talked about but is a great question.
@STSauto
3 ай бұрын
Ice brought this up somewhere else . Either the guy in the white trainers isn't jay or the guy in the blanket and black trainers isnt jay ! If you throw a phone away and the battery is dead , how can it be exactly located ? I thought the masts only gave a triangulation of where the phone last was ? I'm finding it hard to understand that his phone was located where it was , if it was found there , how ? We've all seen how thick the bushes are ! Has the phone not been found ?
@nikkiwalsh2762
3 ай бұрын
Shoes was the first thing i noticed 2. Imo i don't believe thts Jay.
@lulufalulu7877
3 ай бұрын
@@STSauto well the guy from the Airbnb allegedly said that he asked for a charger....so, none of this makes sense.
@CherDavis-pk5sn
3 ай бұрын
It is not Jay. And, there is a girl beside the dude in black shoes on the step, her legs also covered by that blanket, her ankles are crossed, she's wearing black strappy sandals and her toenails are painted bright red. It's blurry but there!
@dan86613
3 ай бұрын
I don’t agree with your theory of him coming off the trail. I just can’t see this happening at all unless he feels he is been chased.
@earth0128
3 ай бұрын
I agree Michelle, the fact they haven't found the phone means it's likely still with Jay. I think he tried to get to the sea with a naive attempt to walk the beach back. I hope British searchers can go out and try. Thinking of his family and friends ❤
@lyndawilson3297
3 ай бұрын
Yes, my thoughts as well
@kennethmorris133
3 ай бұрын
If that theory is correct that he used apple maps with them directions you have shown must have been updated to avoid all roads for it to not take you on a single road but only terrain
@TefiTheWaterGipsy
3 ай бұрын
Hi Michelle, I may be being dumb here, but how's he going to walk following apple maps if he only had 1% battery? Or is it a different thing? I'm an android user. I wonder if he did what i do? I hate waiting for buses, so I'll walk to the next bus stop and eventually catch the bus. Maybe he did the same thing, but walked to the previous bus stop which would mean walking up the mountain? It makes as much sense as walking down to the next one. Just a thought. All i can say, is my friend and I had to be rescued by the police and driven back to our apartments, we were the other side of the island from Mascar, a small quieter town. We only walked ten minutes, ambling, but when we realised there hadn't been a house in a while, we turned around, we were totally lost. Everything looked the same. Our village invisible. We asked a woman for directions and I speak Spanish so I know what she said, we still couldn't find our way. Two laughing police arrived by car asking if we wanted a lift home. We were so relieved but a bit miffed they found it so funny... until two minutes later when they dropped us at our apartments reception. We felt really stupid, apparently it's not unusual. This was before mobiles and maps. He could have headed for the coast, but he'd never make it back to Las Americas, it isn't all beach, mostly volcanic cliffs. I think it's likely he sat for a rest and having been on one all night, he just crashed out, then when he awoke, no water, no phone, no idea where he was or how to get home, he could've gone anywhere. Volcanic mountain terrain needs to be searched from the ground as well as above. That undergrowth is thick, you'd need to be able to cut it back, there's a lot of it. Unfortunately, the Guardia Civil are more military than police, they were up to their eyes with stupid British tourists (we're all the same, apparently) coming to Spain, especially the southern coast and Canaries in the 90s. They think we all deserve a lesson and can't always be arsed to help. We're all users and dealers, drink like idiots and 'the girls come to Spain with their pants off '. We were lucky, the police, guardia civil, who picked us up were friendly, laughed at us but were nice about it. It helps if you speak a tiny bit of Spanish, they see Brits as useless and arrogant kids with too much money. It's so hot there, if he'd been awake all night, buzzing, then coming down, suddenly exhausted, no water, no phone battery, anything could have happened. It all looks the same. I really hope they find him. His family, brave as they are, need to know what happened and need him back one way or another.
@georgezee5173
3 ай бұрын
I think you're reaching quite a bit when you're talking about the Guardia Civil. I'm Spanish and they are always quite distant in the way they treat EVERYBODY, since they're military and see all of us as "civilians". Regardless, in Spain police don't generally treat people like they do in the UK. Our police is more old school, keeping distances as a way to show respect. British police (at least what I see nowadats) tend to be too "friendly" and casual to citizens compared to any police agency in Spain. In my country the way they address members of the public would be considered unprofessional.
@cosmicshy637
3 ай бұрын
Happy Sunday, Michelle. ❤
@RobMedvedev
3 ай бұрын
My god! The amount of gulable people on the internet ! Just because "Lucy" says that he had 1% left ! That does not mean he did ! Because someone said something , please, dont go into police work
@Bushwacker-mb6hw
3 ай бұрын
No concrete prove he even went to that cottage one big fat story!
@TefiTheWaterGipsy
3 ай бұрын
There's a photo that proves it. It's geotagged and clearly the exact same steps as Casa Abuella Tina's, I think that's probably proof enough, unless there's been an update about the photo I've not seen?
@Mike75575
3 ай бұрын
Very odd of the apple map to indicate that route. It makes his initial northerly direction make sense and then he has a visual of the sea. So he made a decision and the phone ping and screenshots put him at or near the Juan trail but did he stay on it or did he reconsider the apple map. Oh wow ,now im not sure.
@LittleBearPaws
3 ай бұрын
I know it’s very confusing. Iv looked at Google earth it shows the 3D terrain & it’s very difficult to get through.
@Mike75575
3 ай бұрын
@@LittleBearPaws I agree and this trail has caused him problems (the cut leg and sliding off the path) . I wonder did he reconsider after these incidents and get back on the apple map route. ((The apple map route is new info to me)) . So that route needs a good look too imho.
@LittleBearPaws
3 ай бұрын
Yes only hearing of the apple map app now too. I’m really doing my best not to go down the foul play route. But it hard when I feel each main player is holding back some of the truth a wee bit. IMO. Nobody wants to admit they were doing something illegal that night but surely they can see finding Jay is more important than self preservation at this stage. It’s all such a mess.
@Mike75575
3 ай бұрын
@@LittleBearPawsAgreed. MWT has spoke to Ayub but the other guy hasnt been interviewed yet . I wonder why.
@orbytl2799
3 ай бұрын
he never said he was following apple maps, how we would he know that? his exact words were "we know he had an iphone and if you follow apple maps" he didnt say we know he was following apple maps with his iphone
@PokemonElliot
3 ай бұрын
He obviously used a map to know it’s a 10hour walk back only a map would tell you that👍Apple or google either way a maps used to get the 10hours which what it would take to walk back
@orbytl2799
3 ай бұрын
@@PokemonElliot dont seem obvious that he was using it up until the point that he was in trouble his friend brad reckons he was the one that told him to "put his location on" when he phoned him and it came up as a 14 hour walk so he told him to get a taxi apparently
@RickONeill-1964
3 ай бұрын
When I first became aware of this story and saw the images, my initial reaction was “Gay teen goes missing on first holiday”. Was I wrong?
@CherDavis-pk5sn
3 ай бұрын
Wrong. Jay is a thug who was in a gang that attacked an innocent teenager with knives and machetes. He was trying his hand at drug dealing in Tenerife and stole whatever he stole from the wrong people.
@Foxtrottangoabc
3 ай бұрын
That's what I thought , sex or drugs. The guy who invited him back spent 9 years in prison which would have expanded his horizons. Its just possible jay may have not felt comfortable in the apartment for this reason and this is why he wanted to leave and not give this reason to his friends . Nothing could have happened but he just may have detected a vibe and felt uncomfortable
@syryder3236
3 ай бұрын
@@Foxtrottangoabc coincidentally you left out rock&roll mentioning drug’s and sex and it’s more likely rocks and rolling that played a part truth be known
@darrenporter1850
3 ай бұрын
You don't think he was a drug mule? You need to answer how a kid is with convicted drug dealer who runs a drug cafe in Spain before that can be dismissed.
@flickingbollocks5542
3 ай бұрын
Do any of these maps take into account terrain? However who is going to take on a 12 or 20 hour walk without food and drink? Never mind Sun protection and hiking boots.
@LittleBearPaws
3 ай бұрын
Exactly…I looked on Google earth & it shows the 3D terrain & its looks very steep & difficult for an experienced hiker I’d say.
@pidginmac
3 ай бұрын
who uses Apple Maps? they have never worked
@tri-lambda-delta
3 ай бұрын
WHY did Brad leave the island without him? Too obvious a question??? Has ANYONE ever gone on holiday as a GROUP and you left a person behind??? Well he did!
@MichelleAfterDark
3 ай бұрын
Maybe he couldn’t afford to stay. Maybe he has a job he has to get back to.
@geoffreyrharris7926
3 ай бұрын
Yes I can see that it could be possible. Cause I've been thinking that he's not down there. But now you have changed my mind.
@dawnash3950
3 ай бұрын
Why do you think he didn't stay on the main road and thumb a lift? That is another option for getting back to his apartment.
@surjsha2853
3 ай бұрын
Method in your madness to assume he walked that path along the beach… it would actually take longer walking that treacherous path!
@stephencurran2568
3 ай бұрын
How can he follow a map wen hes got no phone
@alisonc5058
3 ай бұрын
What if the woman who said she saw him is lying about it and has picked him up? You can never know
@wendiethompson3047
3 ай бұрын
What if.....how many what if's can we suggest
@alisonc5058
3 ай бұрын
that was my point
@stefanhinchliffe5318
3 ай бұрын
Those two men he apparently stopped with in my opinion unalived the poor boy .Most likely he is under a pile of stones not far away from the roadside . The Spanish police letting the two drug dealers go so easily saying they had nothing to do with the case is a massive red flag .I think the police are implicit in all the drug shenanigans going on and they just want it to go away or their involvement may be exposed .
@CW1971
3 ай бұрын
I just can't see why he'd plan to walk for 20 hours. I'd put that in my map and say Balls to that!! I'm guessing he put the route he was taking into his phone prior to ringing his friends as he was already walking (slipping) or lost by the time he called them. Why didn't he tell them it was a 20hr walk and could one of them find out when buses were due or arrange ax taxi for him so he could turn off his internet and save his battery for emergency purposes. I know teenagers and young adults think they're invincible but surely no one would see a 20 hour walk as do-able especially after being at a rave, even if he'd been taking a load of speed (don't know if that's still popular these days) surely he wouldn't think a 20 hour walk was a good idea especially with no water.
@lulasnannajodie7723
3 ай бұрын
A 20 year old drunk and possibly drugged - they think they are invincible
@CW1971
3 ай бұрын
@@lulasnannajodie7723 I've been in some right states in my mis spent youth, I don't think I would have ever thought attempting a 20 hour walk was a good idea. But maybe he did, who knows 🤷♀️
@golds335
3 ай бұрын
Maybe he got some money for the watch and is hiding but i was young once so hope he is alive and well.
@LorrieGreen-l6j
3 ай бұрын
Why do searchers not mark out the areas that have been searched .
@RobMedvedev
3 ай бұрын
The ping would not show an exact point. Only a large area. But the GPS, google maps would log his exact possition if he has an acount with them! But lots of people dont.but the cops would have had the gps details if he did
@MichelleAfterDark
3 ай бұрын
This is GPS
@leannekelly2033
3 ай бұрын
Have you got contact details of any one there searching please as I think he's headed down he could have walked hours down towards the quarry ground level then heat exhaustion would have hit I am a psychic and would love to help find him for his family and friends I feel nothing dodgy happened i feel he got his phone ❤
@THEMASTERSLAYER1998
3 ай бұрын
Watch Brads interview. He literally says this is the exact reason Jay's gone of the road.
@Arcticnick
3 ай бұрын
In relation to Mark Williams -Thomas' reference to Jay's apparent Apple Maps app it was because I believe Google Maps and Apple Maps show different routes, especially off-road trails.
@Arcticnick
3 ай бұрын
You know! Sorry.
@Arcticnick
3 ай бұрын
Your theory does make sense. If he did go to the Airbnb. I could see me doing that at his age. Great deduction.
@FontaineDerby
3 ай бұрын
@@Arcticnick Why are you replying to your own comments saying, "Your theory does make sense"?
I have said this before I ended up lost out there fell cut my knees up real bad cactus spikes all over me fell about 10 for in the dark I think it was light when he went missing?
@LorrieGreen-l6j
3 ай бұрын
If it was that simple why can helicopters not drop off experienced searchers in that area .instead of the trail up there they can rescue people thats injured in mountains
@Tarvell
3 ай бұрын
Excellent Observation very Interesting.
@stevenfarrell9187
3 ай бұрын
How come the name of the hotel or accommodation they was staying at not been named???
@pbss3557
3 ай бұрын
most likely not sober to think straight jhst wanting to get back abd too short cut most likely slipped or fell into the over growth whicb he probably didnt have a lot strenght to get out .especially if he has been drinking or night lije in tge uk at xmas tims alot ppl fall abd slip into rivers lakes and streams no differet here . but all the other stories on Internet are intriguing aswell
@RJPK94
3 ай бұрын
It's very simple. He's been murdered and the body has been well hidden.
@langraman8756
3 ай бұрын
strange family not funding search team or issuing a reward for info
@emmsue1053
3 ай бұрын
Debbie has said she has requested money from it but needs permission from the Spanish police and from GoFundMe.. Might be a few days??
@Foxtrottangoabc
3 ай бұрын
They are organising a skilled search team from uk
@theozarkduke
3 ай бұрын
I believe the men killed him. this was the set up. Lucy and brad say he called them and was sliding on rocks. maybe he didn't call them at all they did it to make it look like he fell some where. and the B&B owner said she saw jay walking i think it was made up to look like he walked away from there and the boy had never left that place. they killed him dumped his body some where in the Mountains and every one is making it look like he walked away when he didn't. every one of them is in on this, the 2 men the B&B owner and Lucy and brad. all of them know and they all made up this story. the 2 men have then scared for there lives also.
@MarkPuddy-y7x
3 ай бұрын
This video is sooooo bad, so a lad that has already ask when the bus is and was told 2 hours then decided to get apple maps up which said 20 hour walk thought to himself yeh walking seems like a lot better option, if u believe that then u must be the only one in the world
@peterrfowler16
3 ай бұрын
I do find it difficult to believe that he was retrieved by the two men. Why would he be let go in the first place ? If there were vengeful and dangerous other men that were looking for him, How would they know where he was ? I can possibly believe that he maybe in the sea.
@janiceleighton7348
3 ай бұрын
I agree has to stop but they know the facts as said have to set it straight good bad or ugly facts
@EXPLORINGWITHMATTY
3 ай бұрын
Theres no way he went up there. His phone was thrown down thier jays dad even said the same. The 2 guys from the b and b are takeing photos on masca road at night mocking it since he gone missing.
@LeakedWisdom808
3 ай бұрын
IKR
@kathrynbarnes4256
3 ай бұрын
Awesome footage,great program.🦸💥
@paulamccarthy8197
3 ай бұрын
He thought the bus was every ten mins, they want to do a map to check what areas haven’t been searched yet, could be to do with drugs or theft or both but not confirmed according to that tv detective
@StellaKnights
3 ай бұрын
with all the technology we have now what a shame these phones dont emit a signal that can be found long after the battery dies , I really think its something these companies need to look into , I know some most recent phones can be tracked for up to 48 hours after dead but really is it long enough ?
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