The writers were trying to make Rhys comical, but all they did was turn him into the side of Jack that only cared about the money.
@sealofapproval3578
Жыл бұрын
They made Rhys a great value Jack
@TheWhiteTrashPanda
Жыл бұрын
Rhys was a garbage character to begin with
@parkersmith8711
Жыл бұрын
He was still one of the bes characters in this game, but really they kind of made it seem like he learned nothing from TFBL1
@Akechifan
Жыл бұрын
@@TheWhiteTrashPanda no he wasn't
@Skemolia
Жыл бұрын
@@TheWhiteTrashPanda absolutely not. He served as a very good mirror to jack, being mentored by him in Tales to becoming his own person, defying what Jack thought Rhys wanted to be. Rhys being just your everyday CEO is such a bad choice, Rhys should have been unique to every other CEO we've ever met. His appearance in BL3 and New Tales is a slap in the face to his arc in the original Tales
@peeps5998
Жыл бұрын
Borderlands has gone from a series with stories that have jokes, to a stories that are just jokes.
@TheNavigator4552
Жыл бұрын
I don't bother playing the new games, I'll stick with 1 and 2, played 3, and have no interest in playing it again
@jimmyjjohnson7135
Жыл бұрын
Tiny Tina's wonderland has a pretty decent story and a fun villain that feels like a somewhat tone down more emotional version of Jack
@walkingwhisperer
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame. I played through all three games twice. 3 has its charms with the gameplay at least, but it seems these "New Tales" lack any positive traits.
@icyatlasartworks
Жыл бұрын
@@walkingwhisperer exactly, 3, at the very least, has a potentially good story, more lore on the Flynt family, and decent gameplay. New Tales doesn't even have gameplay to fall back on, because it's a "telltale" game, so 90% of the gameplay is just making choices and doing quick time events.
@Cricket0021
Жыл бұрын
@@TheNavigator4552 same. No matter how fun the gunplay and weapon gimmicks bl3 has, i always wind up going back to bl2. I absolutely can't stand the vibe bl3 gives. Good thing in the recent years bl2 exodus came out and it spiced up bl2 for me quite a bit.
@sharkdude7
Жыл бұрын
Seeing what happened to Rhys hurts. Now I know how it feels to have your favorite character be assassinated in the writers room.
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Жыл бұрын
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@GucciPucciMIH
Жыл бұрын
*cough* johnny klebitz *cough*
@DefendUrPolicyDontScapegoatLie
Жыл бұрын
@@GucciPucciMIH Oh yea… People never mention him. I mean there’s slight difference in that even though JK is a real badass Trevor is a monster in human skin.
@404_BrainDidNotLoad
Жыл бұрын
I mean, if the writers write in a reason for his anti-character development like say… he’s trying to get as much money as he can to fund a project to try and find Sasha, that’d be leaps better. Maybe add in a close confidant like Vaughn point out the parallels between him and Vazquez but Rhys denies these observations. Then through a series of events like him pushing away his close friends or hell, even losing someone (in a non-comedic way) for him to have a revelation, *maybe* then he could be fixed. Now a character assassination like what they did to Obi-Wan in the Kenobi Show, well that’s a massacre. Edit: Also Stapleface could’ve been pretty interesting, maybe she was a kid taken in by psychos and therefore not an actual psycho like the ones from the result of testing, because she’s so weak she’s never been able to fit in with her family, when she has “non-psycho thoughts” and her family ends up dead, this could create an internal conflict, after overcoming that in someway, we could’ve had an endearing story about her trying to get used to a whole new life, we could’ve had some funny jokes about her not understanding some very basic things, they could’ve done so much!
@delta2372
Жыл бұрын
Also why is it rhys and sasha that are the couple? I thought it was pretty obvious from what I remember from the original tales game that rhys and fiona were gonna be together
@ozzyozaroth8303
Жыл бұрын
Kinda ironic that Telltale respected the franchise with the first game, but Gearbox themselves fail to do so with this entry. What a shame.
@SilverGeFer
Жыл бұрын
I would be insulted if I was Gearbox tbh, knowing a game company that didn’t even have any prior work on the IP did a better writing job for it than the official company who’s sole purpose should be to make sure the IP is respected. Man, did they fail at that last part…
@sinjin8576
Жыл бұрын
I find it almost funny how comically bad Borderlands has fallen.
@koroplays3200
Жыл бұрын
Well gearbox doesn't respect the franchise.
@koroplays3200
Жыл бұрын
@@sinjin8576 literally playing borderlands one right now because it's actually good.
@allendepacheco3419
Жыл бұрын
I think the reason why is simply the writer. Borderlands 2, Presequel, and Tales were written by Anthony Burch while the rest weren't. This would explain why Borderlands 1 has a skeleton of a story, 3 having poor pacing and annoying characters, and New Tales being well this. Anthony Burch made Borderlands that we know of and Brought one of the best and most interesting antagonist in gaming. Without him, the Borderlands series had been struggling to make compelling games. Maybe Burch could return or someone with similar writing skills can help Borderlands 4. So far, the DLC in 3 showed the right direction for the series but New Tales force the franchise to step back twice
@kigwil9495
Жыл бұрын
When the story feels like bad fan fiction, and the reject ending feels like something Rhys or Fiona would have made up while telling their story to Loader Bot, you know you done goofed
@maxmustermann-zx9yq
Жыл бұрын
it's terrible, why the fuck would name the magic juice iridium, that's just a chemical element, nothing special about it really
@vellinghem2187
Жыл бұрын
This game isn’t canon as far as I’m concerned. I don’t care how petty I’m being…
@Subject_Keter
Жыл бұрын
This game could literally be a weapon, upload it to any target home system and play it, brains are going to pop.
@shadowlordalpha
Жыл бұрын
A story told to the loader bot would have been better
@icyatlasartworks
Жыл бұрын
It's even worse because the accept ending sounds like something Handsome/Holo Jack would come up with to make himself feel better. Literally just eliminating every single vault hunter, past and present, because a cosmic deity felt like it. Sirens? What are those? The destroyer being the strongest thing in existence? Not anymore. The existence of the shards spit in the face of literally every tidbit of lore we have ever received in this series. And it's even worse, because now in borderlands 4, we just have to deal with the fact that there's a cosmic deity out there that can eliminate all of our guns and erase us at any time, should it feel so inclined.
@majorastorm
Жыл бұрын
1:49:56 so you're telling me she has the power to turn guns into tacos, but they can't bring Maya back?
@brickowls7886
Жыл бұрын
weird that Rhys, a trillionare, couldn't toss Fran 3,500 dollars for his favorite froyo shop
@hossdelgado626
Жыл бұрын
Hold on.. that sounds, almost, now forgive this slander. Intelligent, logical even. So get the fuck out of our company. We only want shit and glitter here at Gearbox.
@DaxOrien
Жыл бұрын
It would be the first thing he did after beating Maliwan. Yet.....
@FourDozenEggs
Жыл бұрын
But you see, character consistency is clearly not a priority when it comes to these writers. If it was, Rhys wouldn't essentially be a completely different character now.
@DaxOrien
Жыл бұрын
@@FourDozenEggs The writers for this and 3 should've been shot out of Helios One's cannon into a sun.
@steverboot
Жыл бұрын
He could've even had Lorelei, who was Atlas's standing military commander around the time, front the money for him.
@carbodude5414
Жыл бұрын
Its like whoever is currently in charge of writing Borderlands seems to really despise TFTB's success and popularity that they've gone to great lengths to make the TFTB characters as awful as possible in later Borderlands games
@jimmybuba2683
Жыл бұрын
Randy pitchfork did something similar to Duke Nukem, trying to paint it as a joke/boring franchise when forever failed horribly, no idea why he would do this to borderlands but the fact that he fired the original Cl4p-Tr4p voice actor for asking a raise shows he is a pretty asshole and probably has beef with someone else
@Shingoenjoyer
Жыл бұрын
That makes way too much sense honestly.
@anthonyfernandez82
Жыл бұрын
And TFTB wasn't that popular to begin with
@romantech5319
Жыл бұрын
Same with how they treat a lot of The Pre Sequel (Cough cough Aurelia and Elpis in general). It seems like they only like Borderlands 2 and 3
@KarlosJKarlos
Жыл бұрын
That's the norm with everything these days.
@atothetaco
Жыл бұрын
Rhys was naive, not stupid. He was raised on a civil world ruled by corporations. Then he was sent to a mad max hell world ruled by lack of rules having to adapt and not getting the people, because of Jack's hostile marketing calling everyone on pandora Bandit or Raiders
@lgd6619
6 ай бұрын
He wasn't sent to Pandora he was stationed above on Helios, he choose to go there for a career and financial gain and to be fair Pandora is an entire planet of insane bandits and raiders left behind by Dahl so Jacks words were not untrue, remember we are not the good guys of the story we're just another interested party fighting over the vaults
@Blajah_
3 ай бұрын
And he also wasnt completely incompetent in terms of ability. Sure, he was still human, but he still had Hyperion assets that he could rely on. He had a means for defense, but they weren't unreasonable for his position in Hyperion. And they certainly werent god awful overpowered like whatever the fuck happened with fran
@D-Skotes
Жыл бұрын
I literally hate almost every single character in this game.
@BrotherMag
Жыл бұрын
I like the sister more than the other 2 😆
@riveracrobat8393
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion. The best new characters that was in the game were anu, stapleface and Louis. Rhys is still one of my favourites. Maybe something happened in between the events of tales 1 and borderlands 3/ new tales that made him like this. Is that why Sasha and Fiona left?
@bobbylungstealer8243
Жыл бұрын
@@riveracrobat8393 I liked Louie until the dab scene and then I hated every character
@CenturionOfficial
Жыл бұрын
@@riveracrobat8393 Anu is (at least at the beginning of the game from what I know) just annoying
@destinyraex
Жыл бұрын
The tediore guards made me consistently laugh and that's literally the only positive thing I have to say about this experience
@GhostlyWhiteGuy
Жыл бұрын
When I saw Rhys just sit there and watch Octavio get tortured with Fran and Anu in cages during that board meeting scene, I knew the old Rhys was gone. In the original he had a soul and was a complex character, now he’s about as three dimensional as a sheet of paper.
@worldlinezero4783
Жыл бұрын
Not even. Bro got turned into Graphene
@kilderok
Жыл бұрын
I'm starting to wonder if some part of Jack is still in there, that's the only way I can reason this ass.
@kirizuka187
Жыл бұрын
@@EggEnjoyer I think the best of Borderlands 3 is DLC about Krieg. In my opinion it was well written
@Johnnyupside
Жыл бұрын
@@kirizuka187 if it's only the dlc then why bother playing the main game except for the combat
@mrbigglezworth42
Жыл бұрын
After spending any amount of time with the 3 of them, I'd sit back and let them get tortured as well. Especially the fat one.
@thechickenrebellion
Жыл бұрын
Athena was also in the first borderlands game through the general knoxx dlc, but you would think that her entire character set-up for being an assassin would be reason enough not to fuck with corporations. The crimson lance (literally owned by Atlas) separated her from her family as a young girl and were directly/indirectly responsible for her sisters death... I feel like gearbox just forgets that Athena was an og character...
@dyrocecto541
Жыл бұрын
Pangolin or Anshin being the villain wouldve actually worked, as they are both health based corporations. Like they could be looking for the shards in an effort to make health hypos more powerful or force people to buy more. That, and a medical corporation having a private army is just unique.
@kaydenvega4635
Жыл бұрын
Way better than anything gearbox comes up with these days
@Kubinda12345
Жыл бұрын
The "army" could've been composed of orderlies/orderly droids used in mental hospitals to handle violent patients and guarding the facilitites themselves which would explain why they are so incompetent in actual combat.
@kaydenvega4635
Жыл бұрын
@@Kubinda12345 i love that and the dialog would've been more fitting for incompetent medical droids.
@Kubinda12345
Жыл бұрын
@@kaydenvega4635 True. But overall I find it sad that some random people on the internet like the two of us can create a much better and logical story than a well paid professional team at Gearbox...
@kaydenvega4635
Жыл бұрын
@@Kubinda12345 success kills creativity simple as that and it's disappointing because most people will settle for mediocrity.
@nathangordon4891
Жыл бұрын
I love how they didn’t even bother to change the CEO’s character designs for this. Athena is still wearing her pre sequel gear 😂
@tensai_kodai
Жыл бұрын
It even looks like the model from Pre-Sequel and not edited in any way to match BL3's style 😆
@Gruntman1234
Жыл бұрын
And Katagawa "Sr." is clearly wearing Jr.'s Malawan branded Zer0 suit from BL3. So fucking lazy!
@eyjay1508
Жыл бұрын
Torque is using a 10 year old model lol
@scattergrunt
Жыл бұрын
@@eyjay1508 that model was used in the echonet for BL3, its not the BL2 model
@Vanished584
Жыл бұрын
@@eyjay1508 Mikey's attempt at a Torgue Cosplay
@belinskiparadox7687
Жыл бұрын
I think the quality of the writing for the Borderlands series has noticeably gone down since they started focusing on making it primarily comedic (Borderlands 3).
@Whooterzoot
Жыл бұрын
Completely agree, Presequel and the first Tales were the last good ones.
@shcdemolisher
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it does need to turn around. trying to be mostly comical doenst work. Sure you can have comedy but it CAN NOT be 100% of the dialogue. No one writes like that in a good story.
@hypeman1825
Жыл бұрын
“How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go up in flames?” Is a quote that keeps earning its seat EVERY YEAR lmao.
@trevordavis6830
Жыл бұрын
Its funny, because I remember seeing people prior to BL3's release complain about how awful and too immature BL2 and the Pre-Sequel's writing was and how they're glad that BL3 had a different set of writers. Boy did they end up getting the exact opposite of what they wanted.
@TwilightWolf032
Жыл бұрын
I only played 2 and 3, but I couldn't finish 3. Technical issues aside (couldn't even boot the game for over a year because of Gear Box's refusal to fix its issues, requiring me to scavenge the internet in search for a mod that fixed the boot issues and macro stuttering), the story is so baffling! Maya's death wasn't a big "OH NO!" moment like it was with Rolland in 2, it was just a "I can't believe they did her dirty like that". The twitch streamers are terrible villains for Borderlands, especially after Handsome Jack showed how a cold blooded but very effective evil leader could be in a series like this. Movement and the guns are the best they've been, but menu navigation is far worse than in 2, and there are so many loading screens when the previous game integrated the menu into the Hunter's UI seaminglessly. It isn't just the writing quality that fell with 3, it was the overall quality.
@SecretAgentBob2123
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit I’m worried about Borderlands 4 now.
@courtneycherry5582
Жыл бұрын
I'm not I gave up after the 3rd one.
@kujo4388
Жыл бұрын
That’s why it’s so terrible because I just know the gameplay will be soo Good but literally everything else might be terrible
@gangstapuppy340
Жыл бұрын
Me too. I'm sure the gameplay will be fire, but story is probably gonna be horrendous.
@Nick_Morningstar
Жыл бұрын
gave up at the third one, hell borderlands 1 is more enjoyable then 3
@Death_true
Жыл бұрын
3 was pretty good in some places haven’t played wonderlands. A few major IPs are being written by people that hate them which is what I’m getting from New Tales. I’m hoping they find writers that actually care about the world and characters of the series and give us a well written story
@bravepigster
11 ай бұрын
When the funniest characters in the game are a robot and two faceless Tediore soldiers, there’s a problem.
@BlackMammoth25
Жыл бұрын
Regarding Rhys' character, you talk about his evolution in Tales from the Borderlands, but you fail to mention his FURTHER evolution in Borderlands 3! And in that game, he was a CEO who cared about his people and the planet he ruled over. He wasn't this!!! The only way I could see Rhys becoming someone like this is if he became bitter and jaded after Maliwan's attempted takeover. That being said, it wouldn't hurt for them to add a line like "After Maliwan tried taking over the company I'd worked so hard to build up from NOTHING, I realized that I couldn't run this company as a nice guy, buddy-buddy with all the employees. I realized I had to get ruthless if I wanted to stay alive and on top!" But no, he's just an asshole.
@scuvarromanyuk7359
Жыл бұрын
And I never liked how Troy baker is still replaced as the original voice actor and I know borderlands 3 made a billion dollars lol
@HaZe_Gawky
Жыл бұрын
it's super weird just considering Gearbox wrote this game themselves, you'd think the dev studio would know how their characters were portrayed, you know?
@mrplayfulshade1038
Жыл бұрын
@@scuvarromanyuk7359 Them not using troy baker is seriously the most annoying thing about this for me 🥲
@scuvarromanyuk7359
Жыл бұрын
@@mrplayfulshade1038 It is very annoying and then they brough back the original actor for fiona
@Vanished584
Жыл бұрын
@@HaZe_Gawky Gearbox is having some employee retention issues. With products like these. I fckin wonder why....
@gdreaper8771
Жыл бұрын
"Oh but being in power for so long has left him corrupt and greedy, even if that was what he was trying to avoid!" I feel like that's going to be *someone's* defense of this. But after Rhys managed to avoid being corrupted by having his idol, his role model, one of the most influential, charismatic, greedy, corrupt psychopaths in the galaxy, in a galaxy FULL of greedy, corrupt psychopaths, literally inside his brain for an extended period of time trying to groom him into a perfect successor, how the fuck would JUST being the CEO corrupt him like this?
@funkguylorz7315
Жыл бұрын
It would be an especially stupid thing to excuse too considering Borderlands 3 takes place years after Tales, and that game shows Rhys is extremely good to his employees and treats them like genuine family. This game is absurd.
@cdubsb3831
Жыл бұрын
Something something "capitalism"
@ownedmaxer607
Жыл бұрын
@@cdubsb3831 also something something "money is the root of all evil and that's why my greedy parents hate the fact that I didn't make it as a movie screenwriter" - the writers, probably.
@frankwest5388
Жыл бұрын
Have t played it. So let me ask this. Did they try to do the “external circumstances forced Rhys to do awful unethical things, that while necessary to avoid video tragedy made him a villain in the eyes of those he was forced to make victims?” Or the “absolute power corrupts absolutely no matter the intentions, and as he was isolated in his position above all his strong morals were being deteriorated until nothing was left?” Because while not what I would have gone with, I could see that being a good narrative to make Rhys the bad guy.
@ownedmaxer607
Жыл бұрын
@@frankwest5388 Doesn't really matter; The original tales from the borderlands made Rhys realizes that even if he's forced to do things to keep a company afloat, he shouldn't undercut the people around him so flippantly. Tell me, even if it's just a joke, would the man who struggled to fight against the greedy, self-centered, and cutthroat personality of someone he used to look up to, turn around and make his company motto so corrupted and money-grubby? No. It is a bad joke that fails on it's own and a WORST joke that throws away all the character development of one of the two MAIN PROTAGONISTS of the previous installment. They had the golden opportunity to write a CEO character that fits in the morally grey area and threw it away because all these monkey type-writers can come up with is "company only want money, company bad, company kill, you need kill company". Borderlands' writing from Gearbox has never been thought provoking or interesting on its own. At best, their writing was good enough as an appetizer for the main course of brain-melting loot n' shoot action. What possessed the company to think that making a 10-hour narrative game with writing like this is nothing short of hubris. They've never done it before, and should never do it again, if this is the result.
@FourDozenEggs
Жыл бұрын
That laser impact in Borderlands 3 was giant. There is no way Fran should be alive and there is no way that it left such little destruction.
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Жыл бұрын
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@zeroderorero3948
Жыл бұрын
But you don't get it it's Fran she is the strongestest coolestest character of them all!!!-est /s
@Dr.Oofers
Жыл бұрын
@@zeroderorero3948 She used her own body to absorb the impact.
@alfalldoot6715
Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.Oofers She ate the laser beam.
@retrogamelover2012
Жыл бұрын
I feel like if they reworked it to where Rhys had put a sizeable chunk of his funds into rebuilding places that the laser ravaged, with stuff like the water park kind of eating up most of it, leaving Fran's Frogurts to be half finished, then it could probably explain stuff like Rhys' talk of money, or Fran's predicament, a bit better than it really did.
@anti-roxas850
Жыл бұрын
Seeing Athena as Hyperion CEO was exciting for like 2 seconds.....And then I realize it doesn't make any sense. I guess that's Borderlands in a nutshell nowadays.
@Kilesfactor
Жыл бұрын
Athena's story was pretty scattered, but seeing her as the Hyperion CEO is def a weirdest choice of them all.
@solairedude7119
Жыл бұрын
Yeah who wouldn't want to do mega corporation stuff after one murdered your sister and you helped create Handsome Jack in a way. Logical af
@Red_Steampunker
6 ай бұрын
I could see it as atonement for making Jack exist. Making Hyperion have shields for more protection than killing. BUT she’d have a figurehead or be an unseen CEO. To stay low, since that was a goal of hers. But being ceo would allow her to keep SO safe with tons of cash. So if in that meeting it’d have a modulator so you didnt know who it was, and no model besides the logo. You could have even done a whole mystery in BL4 if finding out who it is for to be her. I’d be better than what we got
@privxete4089
3 күн бұрын
@@Kilesfactor athena as ceo is normal right? her girlfriend wanted her to stop doing those risky missions?
@Kilesfactor
3 күн бұрын
@@privxete4089 I mean…. Yeah? I guess that would make her stop those missions lol
@mpmaverick4359
Жыл бұрын
I remember reading a Reddit post on the DND subreddit, describing a weapon like Anu's. The catch was that everything teleported away would appear at the Climax, and needed to be defeated.
@pumkin610
Жыл бұрын
That idea was mentioned by a youtube short "bad video game idea" i think-
@dookiedealer
Жыл бұрын
Yeah....
@ReLite_The_Hero
Жыл бұрын
@@pumkin610 found it, "Bad Game Item Idea"
@icyatlasartworks
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, that doesn't sound bad in the right setting. I have absolutely no idea how D&D works outside of KZitem shorts, but I'd imagine it'd be a little difficult to cast fireball on a giant fireball enemy, or having a fight a giant sentient gun
@CajaDeLeche
Жыл бұрын
Im stealing it thanks
@shoresy6943
Жыл бұрын
This feels like a fanfiction. Anu is a self insert with all of the answer. I'm worried for Borderlands 4. I don't like where this is heading.
@madsvigan2898
Жыл бұрын
Well it seems borderlands 4 will be about the destroyer more. Its now the second time we failed to kill it. And now its vault been Opened. Can see in 4 we try to kill it before it eats all stars
@jeanvictor8178
11 ай бұрын
@@madsvigan2898or maybe that a war thing in pre sequel
@madsvigan2898
11 ай бұрын
@@jeanvictor8178 what i think. Hyperion, Jacobs, and atlas are on our side most likely. So This great war would be the vault Hunters plus those 3, fighting against Dahl, vladoff, and maliwan will fight against us to get to the destroyer. With the other companies also trying to reach the destroyer. It will be a war against those 10 or so mega companies.
@siennaistrans
Жыл бұрын
only in the first 15 minutes and my god they did rhys so dirty even in borderlands 3 he wasn't about the money, he seemed like the type of CEO that pays way more than is asked to his employees and actually cares about the people he's in charge of. The type that in the face of a multi billion dollar loss would just go, "that was cool but uh, gonna need you to do some overtime to pay that off, given that it's oh who cares, but i want it focused on that gun, device thingy."
@santiagomartinez6231
Жыл бұрын
Fr, im really surprised they did this with Rhys in Tales 2. In BL3 they showed Rhys to actually care about his employees; taking them to water parks to relax; and there are even Atlas soldiers voicelines that mention how great working for him is. And this is coming from someone that did not play the OG Tales. They did my man Rhys dirty.
@siennaistrans
Жыл бұрын
@@santiagomartinez6231 if you play the original tales they do him even worse, because his whole arc is going from being money hungry to understanding that there are more fulfilling things to life, which is why he's such a good CEO in bl3.
@carbodude5414
Жыл бұрын
I would've happily gave up having Atlas return as a weapons manufacturer if it meant that Rhys' character arc actually stuck
@FirebasePrime
Жыл бұрын
I don't necessarily think the did him wrong...while he fired Anu, she wasn't exactly a stellar employee (constantly "liberated" animals on a spaceship, destroyed either an on-loan sculpture or his only photo of Sasha (depending on choices), and was failing to deliver a product despite massive resource allocation and time being provided). He didn't seem obsessed with money, just...panicked. He was working for a now-unprofitable company and seemed paranoid about another possible invasion, which I imagine is why Altas moved it's headquarters onto a mobile ship from the planet's surface in the first place.
@zacyquack
Жыл бұрын
Seek help
@lungshenli
Жыл бұрын
bruh someone must have duped Gearbox into having an experimental AI write this bc "Its the future of storytelling"
@Cactus02-j7p
Жыл бұрын
At least AI write is usually unintentionally funny
@Vaguer_Weevil
Жыл бұрын
Now I think about it, didn't something just like that actually happen with some company?
@ArgentoGaming
Жыл бұрын
@@Vaguer_Weevil that company is bethesda and the ai is named Todd or something
@Vanished584
Жыл бұрын
@@Vaguer_Weevil overwatch?
@ventoaran161
Жыл бұрын
Just something I want to point out, how the hell did Fren bend her legs and I repeat BEND HER LEGS while dive bombing into the shark tank? wasn't she supposed to be paralysed?
@davankrueger1725
Ай бұрын
She was hit with the cure everything alright she just doesn't want to walk
@confusedcabal342
Жыл бұрын
The idea of this being a movie is so fucking brilliant that it’s officially the canonical explanation in my mind from now on. Thank you for making this, seriously.
@quinnholloway5400
Жыл бұрын
Yea I hope, that if most of the writers realize they screwed up They retcon New Tales as a crappy movie
@retrogamelover2012
Жыл бұрын
@@quinnholloway5400 Yeah, might as well go the Postal 3 route, in that regard. Even if there were stuff that I did enjoy (Fran, L0U13, Stapleface, the idea of Tediore being the next corporate antagonist, as possibly a response to being labelled a laughing stock for so long), the rest was kind of a mess. And making the events of this game mostly be from a film Octavio had made, of his claim to fame and badassery, with several exaggerated things in there, would at least make more sense.
@seltrixbl2623
Жыл бұрын
the story is SO bizzare, it would actually work as a movie idea.
@Risky_roamer1
Жыл бұрын
Would be funny if they just said this is a was crap sitcom then have tell tales (how's now reopened) make "newer tales from the borderlands"
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
Жыл бұрын
I genuinely worry for the future of the franchise if this is the direction that the developers are going towards for the series
@SilverGeFer
Жыл бұрын
You said it. Also hi mustache man. We don’t see you as often anymore
@kilderok
Жыл бұрын
There were red flags in BL3, but not enough to raise my hair. This game is completely hair-raising.
@matsurithetrueaegis6024
Жыл бұрын
@@kilderok I thought handsome jackpot and love, guns, and tentacles was showing maybe signs of them being able to fix it, but after the rest of the dlc (which was really… ok) and this game I can’t anymore
@mrbigglezworth42
Жыл бұрын
@@kilderok Much of the writing in BL3 is a big ass red flag, and it still seeps into everything else in the series. From the YASS QUEEN SLAY mentality, to jerking off Lilith (the dumbest siren to ever exist), casually killing Maya, Ava existing, denigrating the Tales characters and otherwise just ignoring the Vault Hunters when it actually matters for plot contrivance. The games story from start to finish is a big ball of fail, and it marked a point where the writing was going to go for the foreseeable future.
@ChocolateLoveKitten
Жыл бұрын
@@mrbigglezworth42 Hell. At this point, I'd prefer if they'd retcon most of the events of BL3, ignore the existence that is New Tales, and somehow but miraculously still work some of the concepts and ideas into BL4 (if we get it). However, that would require a team of competent writers that genuinely CARE for the franchise and the characters it was built on. Because at this point, whomever these writers are that are making these questionable and frustrating writing decisions are doing nothing but giving a giant finger to the fans of this series.
@seltrixbl2623
Жыл бұрын
its crazy how much better the fans could rewrite the story for the better
@dimitriwarchief301
Жыл бұрын
Yeah
@SirenChats
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been replaying 2 and The Pre-Sequel, and plan on doing a rewrite of the series!
@Here_is_Waldo
Жыл бұрын
13:00 - Rhys has a moustache. As Star Trek has taught us, that's not really our Rhys, but an evil version from another reality.
@Coltingtons
Жыл бұрын
i thought he wore a fake one tho
@GamingWithHajimemes
Жыл бұрын
The darkest timeline.... Someone get Abed-
@Gzubyy
Жыл бұрын
Love the way even the healing crystal was like "nah fuck fixing Frans legs she's better off in the OP chair"
@hossdelgado626
Жыл бұрын
Lmao, didn't think about that. It literally healed a bullet wound through the brain without long lasting damage and 13 or whatever deaths in a row without any long term damage. (Neither physically or mentally) .. they act like she was just born that way or injured very early in life (like a birth issue or something) so like, magic crystal should heal that fine... but we did watch one of these most pain tolerant character archetypes I've ever seen die by a bullet wound to the shoulder in less time then it'd take to bleed out irl, that it .. just couldn't fix? Oh yeah and when Ana loses a leg by shark, water thins blood causing bleed out more quickly and they even show massive amounts of blood and the fact she is showing signs of shock from the wound. She would've died there very quickly, and it seems to take nearly as long as the physcho to die from a shoulder wound that is literally a singular bullet wound by appearances then all that shit. Fuck this games story.
@oakleyraverty1030
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like she's not crippled just fucking lazy.
@hossdelgado626
Жыл бұрын
@@oakleyraverty1030 it'd be on brand. Though they said she was crippled. So we assume with what's given.
@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495
9 ай бұрын
The Tediore soldiers being incompetent COULD have been an actual good part that made sense with established lore, since Tediore is a cost cutting company; you literally throw their guns because they’re so cheap. But that would require good writing, which New Tales doesn’t have.
@Sabata101
5 ай бұрын
Always good to check on your game's bible to make sure things add up for fans. But unfortunately, it just seems to be the trend for writers to try and do their own thing to leave some sort of mark.
@rhinestone_eyes8661
Жыл бұрын
Omfg thank you lord I thought I was the only one who hated it! They made so many bad decisions with this game, I was so excited for the game because of Tales 1…then such a letdown.
@JDWalker495
Жыл бұрын
Trust me bother, many hated it
@MrBlue-ci4ii
Жыл бұрын
This writing is terrible it’s like saints row 2022 level bad
@D-Skotes
Жыл бұрын
I don't think I've heard a single good thing about it.
@lukasvokurka9224
Жыл бұрын
And it's sad it still got good reviews. So there's a chance Gearbox will think this game was a success.
@rhinestone_eyes8661
Жыл бұрын
@@lukasvokurka9224 I never trust reviews anymore, half the time it ends up being the exact opposite case
@captaincrunch1707
Жыл бұрын
Good on you for not simping for Gearbox. Randy Pitchford simply doesn’t care at all and is detached from reality.
@ghoulishgoober3122
Жыл бұрын
Randy *Bitchford
@lambopambo1166
Жыл бұрын
Didn't he step down as CEO?
@JoshMightymouse
Жыл бұрын
@@lambopambo1166 He became some higher role that oversees everything at once, and hired somebody else for gearbox ceo specifically
@lolilikedragons3528
Жыл бұрын
Don't you know that in the world of CEOs stepping down sometimes means you get a PROMOTION YAAAAYYYY. See the down isnt really down, its actually up if you really think about it. Huh, weird how people work.
@marv360
Жыл бұрын
Killer Six is the biggest simp for Gearbox because he rated this game 7.25. He defends the bad writing by claiming they are just calling it woke and has a better education than them. Check out the comments section for his review of this game to see what I mean.
@Thurmos20
Жыл бұрын
Gearbox has made it apparent that BL2 was an accident.
@georgemeyers7172
Жыл бұрын
Gods... Imagine if that was actually true... though... Highly doubtful considering the DLC of the 3rd game.
@thewooddove2
Ай бұрын
@georgemeyers7172 the DLCs werent that good. they just look good in comparison to the story of BL3 itself
@Datboi_23
Жыл бұрын
You know what Athena could’ve been CEO of? A mainly forgotten and/or dead company, like S&S. I know there are little hints as to S&S still being around in 3, but I would’ve liked to see the return of their gear, in my opinion. Hell, they could’ve even made her CEO of Anshin, or Pangolin, or even Vladof, for God’s sake. But no. It just HAD to be Hyperion. Edit: F U C K I N G P L O T A R M O R Double edit: I’m gonna go with the replies and say maybe just don’t make her a CEO of any company. At all.
@Kubinda12345
Жыл бұрын
The should've made Blake the CEO of Hyperion and if they really wanted to shoehorn Athena in, they could've made her a consultant or something. It would give her enough money, a peaceful job Jeanne would agree with and she would use her knowledge of weapons. It would also explain the shields on Hyperion guns in Borderlands 3.
@curtisjackson4090
Жыл бұрын
When I saw her pop up at the CEO scene... I literally thought "wow, she is the CEO of S&S, cool" Lol alas...
@Kubinda12345
Жыл бұрын
Even making Athena CEO of those other companies would be weird. She's an assassin and a vault hunter, she knows nothing about running a business. Jeannie would've been a much better CEO but they wanted to shoehorn Atherna for fan service no matter how illogical it was.
@Datboi_23
Жыл бұрын
@@Kubinda12345 shit, you’re right.
@Sub5_77
Жыл бұрын
Pangolin makes so much more sense. They're just shields manufacturer.
@TheY2AProblem
Жыл бұрын
The only way I can see Rhys being as “money hungry” as he is is if the true decision that he made was not crushing the eye piece and there’s a little bit of Handsome Jack still inside him.
@hossdelgado626
Жыл бұрын
Even handsome Jack has other priorities, even if low on his list. Dude seems genuinely like someone driven insane, trying to grasp at the burning straws of his life trying to salvage it, where as they make Rhys look like a 2 dimensional rendition of scrooge without the redemption arc
@catholicfemininity2126
Жыл бұрын
This game is just an alternate universe for me. Or just not canon to the 1st game.
@franks2796
Жыл бұрын
I never thought I'd miss tyreen and troy but they somehow made me miss them.
@badasscrusader
Жыл бұрын
Still kinda like Troy he wasn't great (hell he might even be horrid but he's next to tyreen the whole game) but he had some good moments but like a lot of things in 3 it was squandered
@PandAMonier
Жыл бұрын
@@badasscrusader please don't remind me of the whole troy-kill-tyreen buildup that went nowhere. It still hurts.
@Cricket0021
Жыл бұрын
@@badasscrusader Troy had the potential to be a great villain but they threw it all into the gutter for some unknown reason. heck, the devs like disregarding any plot point simply because they didn't go off of the ending of pre sequel where the watcher was saying something about a massive scale war
@The_Punisher
10 ай бұрын
Troy was really cool especially when you realize alot of his development was cut and his arc to realizing he didn't need Tyreen anymore
@cronadojo8385
2 ай бұрын
Honestly they had a lot of potential, evil sirens was a cool concept, but they always make borderlands characters cringe by being overly quirky and out of touch adults writing for kids
@Kr8zySteve
Жыл бұрын
What the hell happened man. What happened to the people who wrote bl2 and the first tales. I didn’t think it could get worse after bl3 but geez. I don’t want another borderlands game if this team of writers is going to continue to make them.
@ChArLie360115
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand either :( People hated on the pre sequel. It was still good just not as good as BL2. That and first tales last good games :( RIP BL
@Illitha
Жыл бұрын
@@ChArLie360115 even in the pre sequel the writing was better than 3, and this
@danielgiovanniello7217
Жыл бұрын
@@Illitha The Pre-Sequel has fantastic writing. Just look to the Claptrap DLC to find it. I love so many of the character interactions, especially when Jack tells you to execute the surrendered Legionnaire.
@adolfolerito6744
Жыл бұрын
Woke-induced laziness and utter hatred for gamers and the Borderlands fanbase happened. The staff doubled down on the same crap they did with Borderlands 3. They gave precedence to labels and checking boxes, from making the vast majority of relevant characters “sTrOnK WhAmEN”, to making an uber-powerful, super-confident, wonderfully intelligent, morbidly obese disabled version of a Mary Sue with unlimited power and pulling stuff like “Free Labor” that should be targeted at the audience of Sex and the goddamn city, and they thought that these pseudo-virtuous dog whistles would be a valid substitute for a decent plot and lack of character development. Well, sorry to say but 90% of people who play video games are the exact antithesis of the audience these companies think they have. This is just the tip of the iceberg, but it’s representative of a wider phenomenon in modern entertainment that has seen good writing and character development flushed down the drain in the name of “checking boxes”, assuming that those boxes will automatically make your product better even if your writing sucks. Newsflash: they don’t.
@ZeBackWoodz
Жыл бұрын
@Adolfo Lerito oh boy and now gearbox is getting the folks from volition that made the disaster of a reboot for saints row lol we are entering the dark ages again
@harrygrant4122
Жыл бұрын
Love how in the meeting of the CEO's in episode 4, Vladof isn't there, and on a MUCH more egregious note, NEITHER IS THE DAHL CEO. You know Dahl? The BIGGEST MEGACORP in borderlands?
@PillowHeroReact
Жыл бұрын
This scene is pure cringe
@IkeFanBoy64
5 ай бұрын
I never noticed that.
@dwavenminer
Жыл бұрын
45:43...so a shard that can instantly heal anything...strange that it doesn't instantly get rid of Fran's disability...
@retrogamelover2012
Жыл бұрын
I always kind of assumed it was like fresh wounds, starting off. Like, there was a certain threshold, before the wounds were unable to be repaired. Though, yeah, kind of a shame that Fran never at least commented on that, even if she had gotten used to life in the souped-up wheelchair of her's.
@hypeuprise7026
Жыл бұрын
@@retrogamelover2012 that could be an explanation, but more likely then not it’s just something that these talentless writers didn’t think of
@alfalldoot6715
Жыл бұрын
It's actually the source of her power.
@135mikerules23
Жыл бұрын
Me: “Thank you.” EruptionFang: “For what?” Me: “For making sense.”
@killrcupcake2994
Жыл бұрын
Why and how does Fran have a wheelchair that can easily turn her into a vault hunter and why is she not one, it has deathtrap and iron bear levels of power, legitimately why is she concerned with running a froyo shop, she already has the attitude and plot armor of a vault hunter for crying out loud, she's legitimately in the wrong game
@PancakemonsterFO4
Жыл бұрын
They could have made her a Ellie figure, coming from a hilbilly clan doing questionable things and eventually quitting the family while running away with the cash of their latest coup, opening a diner because she grew up on 80`s americana sitcoms (hyperion or another big company literally "disposed in the desert" because they weren`t selling) and leaving her life of crime behind
@killrcupcake2994
Жыл бұрын
@@PancakemonsterFO4 or even an advanced, wealthy, high tech and unethical family, which would've left her craving the honest and simple life of running a small business and explained her wheelchair's tech
@PancakemonsterFO4
Жыл бұрын
@@killrcupcake2994 i mean sure, why not, as long as she is not Rhys´carbon copy personalitywise. Also downgrade her wheelchair a bit and make staplerface a permanent member in the party so the team doesn´t constantly rely on her when it comes to the fighting. I mean this is Borderlands we are talking about, if anyone can pull off random humour then it´s psychos. Also it would be kinda intresting if the Tediore CEO was actually her mom, it would make for a better conflict then elitist bitch being fixated on ruining the life of her ex-classmate (althrough honestly it would have been better if they changed her company as well because of tediore getting treated as a joke in Borderlands lore)
@killrcupcake2994
Жыл бұрын
@@PancakemonsterFO4 ahhh I love the idea, and I also agree it should've a different megacorp
@kilderok
Жыл бұрын
A question I'm asking is how she's paralyzed at all. I thought she was just so fat she was disabled at first. Now considering there are nervous-system interfacing cybernetics in this game, there's a huge plothole. A device that restores nerve function to a damaged area shouldn't be an issue. And the stupid Jake Sully "not rich enough to afford" defense can't work here either, there are near homeless people and psychos in borderlands with augmentations. Hell, people build their own out of scrap in this universe.
@ShishouDzukiZaManako
Жыл бұрын
you also missed that after Anu leaves the keepers place there is a corpse; the very thing she wanted RIGHT THERE in the dumpster
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Жыл бұрын
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@Magiholic_
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be shocked to find out some of the writers hate the first Tales from the Borderlands because they didn't write it. So they didn't even try with this because it's not their original idea and they want people to hate it.
@MrcreeperDXD777
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the "netflix witcher" method of writing
@ZG1024
Жыл бұрын
After BL3 I was hoping the writing would improve instead it got even worse I'm truly worried about the next borderlands game
@theStamax
Жыл бұрын
to be fair wonderland's was marginally less shit (still had annoying characters, but overall it was an improvement). The "dlc" was ass of course
@billforson3143
Жыл бұрын
@@theStamax man I can't say anything good about wonderlands story, take a step back from what your playing and look at the story objectively, I didn't like tiny Tina in bl3 and i wish we could have got Torgues wonderland or some mad max shit
@theStamax
Жыл бұрын
@@billforson3143 well different strokes i suppose. For a single playthrough i felt it was a significant upgrade from bl3. At least the exposure to the most annoying characters was limited (paladin mike for me *shudder*... I have no idea why they brought back one of the least popular character/accent combos from bl3).
@MisterJohnDoe
Жыл бұрын
Ever since like 2017 or whatever, if a series had made a shitty game then you can expect things to go downhill from that point.
@joxerxd8417
Жыл бұрын
Thats why im only hoping for Bl2 Remastered instead of a new game
@malobuchino
Жыл бұрын
This is, by far, the most comprehensive and well thought review of the game on this platform. You can clearly tell that you are a fan of the franchize and you know your lore, I bow down to you. I believe that the writers of this game can learn a thing or two from you. It must've been a tremendous effort putting this video together, but I just wanted to make you sure that your efforts were not in vain!
@pattypiranha3132
Жыл бұрын
I think you're giving the writers too much credit by saying they actively chose to change tediore. I'm convinced they wrote the story first then googled borderlands companies and slapped tediore over the place holder "evil corporation" and called it a day.
@an_arbitrary_firefly1750
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, writing-wise (and not model art-wise, like ship or soldier design), this seems 100% plausible
@fumarc4501
29 күн бұрын
I sense no lies.
@carbodude5414
Жыл бұрын
Even though the graphics is an improvement over past Borderlands games, the use of realistic motion capture combined with the stylized look of the game makes every character super uncanny
@TysonRex37
Жыл бұрын
SO THAT’S WHAT IT WAS The look of the faces was bothering me so much
@FourDozenEggs
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I'm not the only one to feel this way. The original TFTB looks way more natural to me even though it's technically worse in graphical quality.
@nobody2996
Жыл бұрын
Is that why everyone moves so weirdly?
@BowserisOK
Жыл бұрын
This game is so bad, there has been no r34 images of any characters that made their first debut to this game at all. And this game is half a year old.
@jamesverner9132
3 ай бұрын
That's the greatest sign that your game is worthless. It's not even worth faping to. Wow
@SLASHY_SSB
Жыл бұрын
I actually like the concept of a character who wants to stop the killing in a world where everyone kills and is maybe forced to confront that reality but damn they don't do anything with it
@UltraKardas
Жыл бұрын
You realize that whatever character this is, fights 3 battles for every conflict. One battle against both sides, and the third battle against both. (Struggling to get both sides to stop killing, then getting caught in between the two warring factions) This would likely turn said character into a pyscho who stops the killing the only way possible.
@SLASHY_SSB
Жыл бұрын
@@UltraKardas U could have a psycho arc which would be interesting in its own right but the arc could also be about a character who learns that maybe controlling everything around them isn't realistic and they should focus on small progress whenever they can
@roguemerc
Жыл бұрын
Read the Animorphs, Cassie is that character.
@swordguy6368
Жыл бұрын
Trigun (The original anime and manga) don’t know about the new version I haven’t watched it. It’s basically this very concept of a guy who doesn’t want to kill in a world where people kill all the time.
@HelminthCombos
Жыл бұрын
probably should have just made her a siren with some kind of mindcontrol ability
@Jeffphuck
Жыл бұрын
Anu's stupid siren gun is not only lame in concept because it makes Sirens less cool, but is an insult to the plot of Borderlands 2. Hyperion under Jack's control was dumping all of its near infinite resources and intellectual power into researching Eridium manipulation. SPECIFICALLY for things like replicating siren abilities, for activating the vault. They never fully succeeded. This Mary Sue just slaps on a lens that she made in her garage. Wow Gearbox, just wow.
@oboeshoesgames
Жыл бұрын
I sure hope Borderlands 4 will finish the storyline of The Keeper's kids trying to pay off their STUDENT LOAN DEBT!!!
@Vanished584
Жыл бұрын
Id like to see Fran make a Frogurt NFT stand
@calciumclansoldier1351
Жыл бұрын
Or maybe bring up a waffle maker as a joke for about 5 hours
@masterjoda999
Жыл бұрын
Isn't that just the Saints Row reboot?
@chickenbacon5197
Жыл бұрын
@@masterjoda999 The joke is that all modern game stories have to be an allegory for the corporate drone's worthless life.
@ryanator7935
Жыл бұрын
Still hurts that Troy Baker isn’t voicing Rhys anymore, just feels off. His voice was was such an iconic part of him :(
@eddiesmyth8932
Жыл бұрын
It kinda sounds like clays voice was changed in one of the Ava mysteries mission too
@poultry-lover6665
Жыл бұрын
Troy baker would agree to voice act for this ass script they straight up butchered his character
@zevatronic
Жыл бұрын
Just a bit into the video and I can already tell that I'll want this ENTIRE game retconned
@zevatronic
Жыл бұрын
I'll take your advice and leave now
@CobaltTS
8 ай бұрын
You were right
@rhino7735
Жыл бұрын
It seems like Fran can do more in her wheelchair than what she could have done without it
@honestkyn718
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I can buy wheelchairs in this universe being that weirdly op... if you're rich
@thiccum4004
Жыл бұрын
Bently from sly 3 basically
@clairifedverified2513
Жыл бұрын
@@honestkyn718 Y'know what would make me interested in her and the other characters? If her wheelchair did nothing at the start, but as this story has a lot of rich people in it, there were rich and powerful people known for having trillion dollar wheelchairs, and so they are more strong that an able-bodied person, pissing fran off enough that she learns how to do things with her limited wheelchair and makes additions to it WITH THE HELP OF THE INVENTOR. Maybe Anu could make some overly ambitious mods at the start that malfunction and just hurt Fran more, and the both of them grow from this leading to Anu putting more care into her inventions and Fran, even though she can't have these insane contraptions that billionaires have, actually becoming someone interesting. Look, this probably sucks too, but I was at least interested in where it could go while writing it.
@honestkyn718
Жыл бұрын
@@clairifedverified2513 no it a good idea. Which is why it didn't happen in the game
@jiggycalzone8585
Жыл бұрын
Ever watch a vampire movie that pretend being a vampire is bad yet presents absolutely no downside to being one? It's like that but with disabilities
@neptuneplaneptune3367
8 ай бұрын
Athena....as CEO....of Hyperion..........WHO CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA?! heck considering she LIKES Rhys I acually can see her maybe working fore him as a combat instructor fore the soldiers while Janey is just a mechanich. He probably would give them jobs once Atlas is running again. Its atleast more belivable then Athena being CEO of Hyperion. Especley...HOW?! HOW did she go from Vault Hunter once hyred by Jack, to CEO?!
@ayyq6795
7 ай бұрын
Holy shit Athena being a combat instructor for Atlas is a genius idea! The corporation she once hated and vowed to kill every last employee but is now helping Rhys with running Atlas. She is helping to make Atlas a better company. It's also something Janey would approve of. She's not vault hunting anymore but is still using her skills in a productive way.
@oblivexx
Жыл бұрын
1:14:00 - Mr Blake is like an Anti-hero CEO, he actually helped Teddy Baha move to Pandora to avoid getting Assassinated for his TKs wave blueprints. Also odd that Vladof and DAHL are not present or at the very least the Anshin and Pangolin.
@DaxOrien
Жыл бұрын
@James Webb Word is Ric Spiegel is actually okay and good to do Zed again. But, no, please no, god no, don't give Gearbox ideas.
@BlackWACat
Жыл бұрын
@James Webb Troy Baker (Rhys) wasn't just expensive, if i'm not wrong he just refused because Gearbox didn't want VA's to unionize
@JillLulamoon
Жыл бұрын
If they really wanted the disabled character to be the toughest character, here's an idea; why not reveal that, years before the game, Fran was a Vault Hunter herself. She traveled the galaxy living a life of adventure and danger, looking for riches, blowing stuff up, fighting bandits and corporate goons, etc. However, she was severely wounded and ended up losing her legs and becoming hoverchair bound. Her vault hunting life cut short, she became despondent and depressed until she agreed to help her parents frogurt shop. Much to her surprise she actually grew to really care about this little shop, and it means a lot to her. That could explain why she's hyper competent and athletic. Maybe you could even give her a plot line where she's torn between accepting her Vault Hunter career is over and moving on, or deciding to give it another shot despite her disability, and allow the player to decide. You could use it too as an opportunity to do a bit of world building and add some seriousness to the story, pointing out that as fun as the games make it look, Vault Hunting is incredibly dangerous and most Vault Hunters meet gruesome ends. I just made this up but it sounds way cooler to me than what the game did with her.
@Dr.Oofers
Жыл бұрын
@@AlexBarbu Very fair, I guess Hammerlock made the prosthetics himself? As from you memory, they look simplistic and steampunk, despite this being a sci-fi setting. Maybe they could’ve just made it so Fran needs a wheelchair to get around due to her weight?
@thelordoflore6572
Жыл бұрын
yeah, the being in a wheelchair in the borderlands universe doesn't make much sense, especially when you have people with cybernetics overcoming disabilities like limbs in the case of hammerlock and rhys, and things as complex as wilhelm's cybernetics to overcome his bone wasting disease
@Grunch_Morrisonx123
11 ай бұрын
Well we gotta make sure disabled people feel included right? Right?
@lucienhaulotte4049
11 ай бұрын
@@thelordoflore6572your'e example include only arms and Wilhelm was a freak of nature even if the pain was unbearable he would do it to get closer to a megazord but its still pretty dumb to not give her loader type attach to her waist so she can walk without really walking, idk of you get it x)
@MalfunctionWhocares
10 ай бұрын
To add onto that, maybe it could be implied that she was a tech-themed VH similar to Gaige or Wilhelm, and that's why her hover chair thing is so powerful.
@MrBlue-ci4ii
Жыл бұрын
I felt like all the protagonists are idiots considering the messes they get into and choices they made without you like releasing jabbers in a space ship and buying a building you already own
@karlostorres7745
Жыл бұрын
kind of US right now?
@ifeelcoke4347
Жыл бұрын
@@karlostorres7745 no need to get political
@karlostorres7745
Жыл бұрын
@@ifeelcoke4347 I'm not into politics, it's just an observation... analogy if you prefer.
@shcdemolisher
Жыл бұрын
@@ifeelcoke4347 he means, ‘kind of like US, as in humanity’.
@UnchainedPandoran
Жыл бұрын
It really is a shame. The Borderlands games had some really intriguing lore and characters. While humor is an essential element of the franchise, they knew when and how to put in serious moments, case in point, Roland’s death. BL1 through the Pre-Sequel had so much great lore that could’ve been built upon but for whatever reason, ever since BL3, the story writers just keep making baffling decisions.
@retrogamelover2012
Жыл бұрын
As someone who never really hated everything about Borderlands 3, as well as enjoyed some moments and ideas in New Tales from the Borderlands, I will admit that this was just rough. And I tend to have a more easy-going approach to things, as I feel like that's one of the healthier outlooks a fan can have on things (especially when there's plenty of examples of how it can become so rancid).
@nuut6976
Жыл бұрын
I am not an emotional person. Seeing Fiona at the end of this long review and the prospect of them obliterating her character actually made me shed a tear.
@really_lane
Жыл бұрын
They literally hit us with the mcu formula
@conorkilhenny5362
Жыл бұрын
Complete with a Thanos snap.
@NefariousSpecter
Жыл бұрын
I never thought GearBox would create a villain worse than Commandant Steel, but Susan makes Steel look like an 10/10 villain
@MisterJohnDoe
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say Commandant Steel was bad, just... plain.
@NefariousSpecter
Жыл бұрын
@Prabhjit Dhillon well I doubt GearBox is ever going to bring her back again, so right now she is a bad character.
@derpdadouch3654
Жыл бұрын
@@NefariousSpecter If they brought her back then she would be a bad character. Right now she's just meh because they didn't do anything with her. Their writing now would almost certainly make her a bad character.
@charlesmcmanus4229
Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Steel one of the preserved corpses in the first episode of Tales? When Rhys and Vaughn are walking through the Curiosities?
@NefariousSpecter
Жыл бұрын
@@derpdadouch3654 fare enough, but as it stands, you can remove her from Borderlands 1 and nothing would really change. To me there is 2 types of bad characters, forgettable and terrible antagonists, Steel falls in the forgettable villains sections, Susan falls in the terrible villains section. Both are bad characters for different reasons.
@RDDsnipez
Жыл бұрын
Fran tucking her legs as she cannon balled into the shark tank broke me ive actually been laughing at it for near 10 minutes now
@Noblesix84
Жыл бұрын
I love how they literally took the whole model. Didnt give him a suit or any different clothing, just kept him the knockoff Zero armor
@dimitriwarchief301
Жыл бұрын
Yup
@MartianManHunter2258
Жыл бұрын
Between this game and the Saints Row reboot it's like a lot of writers forgot about the basics of storytelling.
@yazajin
Жыл бұрын
They just don't care. Whatever they work on is just a vehicle for THE MESSAGE.
@Dr.LightMarker5613
Жыл бұрын
Shit, the "characters" in this remind me of the loser ass Gen z saints deboot "characters".
@MaytayMaya
Жыл бұрын
I don't know how these terrible writers keep getting hired, as a writer it completely baffles me people this incompetent are allowed to write games.
@burntgrahamcracker2866
Жыл бұрын
@@MaytayMaya I can only assume nepotism or gross incompetence on the hirers
@whodatninja439
Жыл бұрын
@@MaytayMaya “The studio also hired Lin Joyce, a doctor in interactive fiction, to serve as the game's lead writer” Guys they hired a doctor! Surely they must've done a great job 😂
@SkaterBlades
Жыл бұрын
That fucking coffin thing had me wheezing! There's light on her face, clearly there's a way for air to get in. Also anu broke every bone in her hand after 10 - 20 punches
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Жыл бұрын
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@BorderlandsBoy0
Жыл бұрын
It’s understandable that Naoko isn’t the CEO of Maliwan because she probably went into hiding after that side mission. (Prior to the vault hunters killing Katagawa Jr)
@LowResLeafa
Жыл бұрын
If not for this video I would have forgotten this game existed. Edit: Two hours?! Guess I better grab something to eat. If this is the kind of writing we can expect in BL4 then GB should cancel the game.
@BrotherMag
Жыл бұрын
I grabbed alcohol too lol
@BroudbrunMusicMerge
Жыл бұрын
Rhys becoming the evil he hated would've been fine... if they actually _showed_ the development that led to that point. It would've been an interesting story at least, but it happens entirely off-screen, which _sucks_ for a development nobody wanted in the first place
@Red_Steampunker
6 ай бұрын
With his whole character being focused on finding Fiona, he could totally be money hungry. Going from not valuing it as much to trying to make a ton of money all to use to help find her. Making his change make sense. Pic of her is gone, only pic he has. Plant, sedimental first emergency sell second for fiona. Be could have even gotten mad at mc smart head for wasting money on projects that don’t make money or help find her. The teleportation was a great lead, but not knowing where it led pisses him off. Imagine actual writing
@B3N_Youtube
Жыл бұрын
How do you feel knowing all of your favorite franchises crash and burn?
@op_player7097
Жыл бұрын
It feels great
@B3N_Youtube
Жыл бұрын
@@op_player7097 T-T
@graveslayer9666
Жыл бұрын
It already happened to me when i was 12-14 with cartoon network XD It’s depressing
@Kromerlover97
5 ай бұрын
Eh im becoming numb do it...
@Lorenzo_I.
Жыл бұрын
Wow, It's somehow infinitely worse than I could have ever imagined and my expectations were already lower than the bar at a profession limbo competition.
@bigmac6750
Жыл бұрын
I actually like the idea of a “tales” game with the og vault hunters and here’s why: - It would set us back in time to the original wasteland vibe that got lost in later games - chance to have characters that we’ve never seen before make sense - since it’s before the main entry they would not have to worry all that much about the current clusterfuck of a story that’s going on - Cool way to blast us back to the past - We could go to places we’ve never seen before involving the og vault hunters - they would be forced to tone back the humor, because it would prove the writers are brain dead if they tried to pull a “lol constant comedy” story and not a more laid back, dry humor, but still impactful story
@archangelwolf5073
Жыл бұрын
I find it funny that the robot who is a living death note. Is the best character and I love that he is. But sad that I really only cared for him
@KageDarkAngel
Жыл бұрын
FL4K approves this comment. (He now owes me $10 and a bag of Red Ribbon Skag chow)
@MisterJohnDoe
Жыл бұрын
Wish his design could've been less ugly though. When I saw the pictures I thought they've made a robot character that had a red weapons chest for a head.
@hanaumasurf2795
Жыл бұрын
IDK why but Anu's movements look like they were made by the same people who made the movie Food Fight. They just feel super weird and not realistic to me. She just never stops making noticeable full-body movements.
@FourDozenEggs
Жыл бұрын
The more time goes on, the more bitter I get at how they ruined Rhys' character. Based on how Rhys was at the end of the original TFTB, there is no reason why he should be acting the way he does now. They turned him into Handsome Jack Lite. His entire arc was going from a Hyperion employee who looked up to Handsome Jack to a man who saw past the rose colored glasses he wore for so long. He grew to reject Jacks ideals because he finally understood that Jack was not a man people should aspire to be. The writers of this game decided to throw all of that away in favor of making him yet another unlikeable prick because apparently that's funny.
@Authien
Жыл бұрын
I loved the borderlands series. Sad to see it going downhill
@marbledgold0605
Жыл бұрын
"I had to make this behemoth of a video" *Me who hasn't seen the run time* "Waaaat, it can't to lon-" *Sees the run time* "OH MY GOODNESS" *"Welp, I'm going in"*
@LowResLeafa
Жыл бұрын
"SQUIDWARD"
@fluffywolfo3663
Жыл бұрын
"OH MY GOODNESS" *me who hasn't seen the run time either.* "It can't be _that_ shocking-" *sees run time* GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY
@snc237
Жыл бұрын
What what! Well I guess I will watch
@hazelv.a.7976
Жыл бұрын
Mere mortal it's just 2 hours. Watch the 10 hour video essays, those are incredibly amusing
@toxicq5330
Жыл бұрын
@@hazelv.a.7976 watch the full play throughs of an rpg
@EliteKnight97
Жыл бұрын
And here I was thinking that BL3’s writing was the bottom of the canyon, looks like these guys went underground
@BlahBohogun
Жыл бұрын
Wow in the short time I saw Stapleface I came to realize that it turned out to be a more interesting character with a good simple premise "A Psycho choosing a non Psycho life" wtf Stapleface is a more interesting chacter than the whole cast tight out that bat. (19:00 minutes in)
@jamesonguthrie2712
Жыл бұрын
I know right
@IGSA101
Жыл бұрын
It's also pretty similar to the concept of the modded Blitz the shock trooper character from bl1.
@Ki11ersix
Жыл бұрын
Stapleface was absolutely WASTED in this "game"
@pumkin610
Жыл бұрын
right*
@denzelsmith9938
Жыл бұрын
@@Ki11ersix stapleface is kind of like krieg but not as crazy like him she can talk in normal sentences but her sentences does not end with the words poop
@Monochrome_11
Жыл бұрын
This video is his villain origin story
@coatguy2990
3 ай бұрын
Hot take: The Telltale "Games" should be classified as interactive movies. There's no "gameplay" here to speak of. It's a point and click adventure, yes. But I can't categorize this as gameplay.
@123Nightcloud
Жыл бұрын
Fran: is paralysed from the waist down Also Fran: pulls her legs up when jumping into the water [I could be wrong but it looks like she moves her legs by themselves, not pulling them up with her arms which is uhhh not possible when paralysed from the waist down lol]
@tedfoxx94
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, she did just that. That's NOT how it works.
@hossdelgado626
Жыл бұрын
Same, I noticed that shit and was like, how did she do that, and secondly how the fuck can swim after considering we never see her do more fitness activity then punching things or operating devices. That shit is a major strain and can tire you quickly... and she just fought sharks, is holding a fucking person with one hand and managed to grab a leg while down there and still not only swim one handed while holding someone probably in shock without dropping said leg, but without a body used to heavy physical routines, she can swim paralyzed below the waist one handed and wade.. like... that women would be auditioning for a csi drown victim full time after
@kilderok
Жыл бұрын
I saw it too. Yeah, she should have belly-flopped on the ledge and had to crawl in honestly, that much dead ass under her. They've ignored physics before though, this is after all a cartoon. Another thing is why aren't her legs atrophied a bit more? They look healthy.
@hossdelgado626
Жыл бұрын
@@kilderok remember, every single scene had multiple people work on it. Storyboarding, character modeling, the scene being rendered with vase model, then adding on details last. Meaning they all saw this, and none cared enough to question it
@kilderok
Жыл бұрын
@@hossdelgado626 Apparently these fresh young creators all wrote marysue fanfic as kids and got told they were good writers for it.
@funnyman3030
Жыл бұрын
This game actually makes me so mad and worried for borderlands 4 this game makes bl3 seem like a writing masterpiece
@shcdemolisher
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they do need a writing staff overhaul as soon as possible. Becuase writing this bad sinks a game no matter how good the gun/gameplay is.
@brinkstan5465
Жыл бұрын
Claptrap could write fanfics with more substance than this game
@highcaliburx3751
Жыл бұрын
15:12 Well, they needed Rhys to be a tool for *their* story. And him being the kind ceo of Atlas was problematic. So they just didn’t care
@kilderok
Жыл бұрын
He was a tool alright.
@LazarheaD
Жыл бұрын
Yes! We must hate the corporations!
@roadrider720
Жыл бұрын
Nice pfp, pretty sure thats a skull from an X-Box 360 basic pfp.
@highcaliburx3751
Жыл бұрын
@@roadrider720 It is, this one’s a redrawn version ^^
@roadrider720
Жыл бұрын
@@highcaliburx3751 Awesome, nice job if you redrew it!
@Ki11ersix
Жыл бұрын
Very well done video. I think the issue with New Tales is multi-faceted: -Price. $40 is ridiculous for this. -Story: I did a bad decisions playthrough so I thought I got a bad ending because of that... turns out a LOT of people got a "1 Year Later X is now dead, surprise!" ending. That's BULLSHIT WRITING. -Main cast: Annoying more than endearing. To be fair I found Sasha and Fiona annoying at times in the original Tales. Rhys was always a self-obsessed jerk, but seemed like he was changed over the course of the game. BUT I wonder if there's some remnants of Jack going on in there... There's the line in BL3 where he asks if his voice is changed... I always thought that felt important or hinting at something. -Humor: I enjoyed a bunch of the jokes, but then there's other ones that they just hammer too many times (Free Labor comes to mind). -Wasted cast: Stapleface, LOU13, Radon, Diamond Danielle, Rhys, Paco, etc... anyone that was even remotely interesting just seems to disappear after the first chapter). -Pacing: this game takes forever to make its point. I'm not a story in video games guy so this was the most annoying thing to me. My original review, made moments after wrapping my playthrough was a low C (7.25), but then I lowered that even further when I discovered that the ending issue was there for a LOT of people. Unacceptable. This is a $15 "game" where what you do doesn't make much difference. It also has an ending that could undo the death of Handsome Jack, Scooter, Maya, Roland and more. So... would fans be cool with that level of retcon? I doubt it.
@xUN1T
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure someone said this already but the mention of Rhys’s voice changing is a joke about the voice actor being replaced
@spaghetticondo.m9116
Жыл бұрын
well undoing Mayas death would be fine by me
@ViApp0
Жыл бұрын
Did your review score go from 7.25 to 7.1 or something? I could swear you were praising the crap out of it.
@Ki11ersix
Жыл бұрын
@@ViApp0 5.75 If "praising the crap out of it" translates to literally saying "I hated the ending" and "it's not worth $40" then, yes, guilty.
@Vanished584
Жыл бұрын
@@ViApp0 He got paid by Gearbox to shill his first impressions video. Its why they often get deleted.
@MisterJohnDoe
Жыл бұрын
I know it's been a few weeks, but I actually like the idea of Blake becoming the new CEO of Hyperion. Since he seems to be one of the nicer and less "evil" affiliates, maybe he could've started redeeming the Hyperion name. But instead we get Athena for some reason, who you'd think would be done with corporations after working for the Crimson Lance and Jack.
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Жыл бұрын
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@HellHell71
Жыл бұрын
Wow, how far have we strayed from the great war and the cool mystique mystery of the sirens...
@Ccrypto
Жыл бұрын
There were SO many occasions where I just wanted to switch the game off because it was simply just painful to play, thank you for making this video. Great to hear a person who's passionate about the lore vent about it
@mugrilhos
11 ай бұрын
They made rhys purposefully bad yet the most reasonable when confronting anu, which was actually doing harm for the company she works on and even gave her a chance to see what her weapon could do and even then all the options just make it worse.
@loopieaccident
Жыл бұрын
The free gym membership would probably be amazing for a psycho if Vaughn's clan was any indicator.
@Subject_Keter
Жыл бұрын
Why am I picturing a bandit doing backflips and cartwheels at you at full speed?
@psycholaw4394
Жыл бұрын
Remember the devourer isn't dead, it was teleported somewhere Betcha it will appear in the next borderland game alive (local cryptid, infestation, etc) or dead. Most likely during a Rhys quest where the player search for a lost item
@samhassall2964
Жыл бұрын
In the ending with TIM-ME flying around you can see it floating in space near one of the teleported Psychos
@psycholaw4394
Жыл бұрын
@@samhassall2964 Interestng Still will appear in the next borderland game though (I bet)
@ragecage295
Жыл бұрын
quick correction. katagowa Jr was only the head of mergers and acquisitions. not the ceo.
@SkunkfapGaming
Жыл бұрын
yeah that part did confuse me. he acted as if those assumptions were obvious but katagowa Sr as the CEO makes complete sense with naoko as next in line rather than having naoko as the CEO
@ragecage295
Жыл бұрын
@@SkunkfapGaming the game actually explains it quite well if you..yknow, actually play the game
@ontos8914
Жыл бұрын
Imma be honest I didn’t even know this game came out. Its really a shame that we waited years for a successor to the original Tales and this is what we ended up with
@yazajin
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully Wolf Among Us 2 is alright.
@RegularAI-pf9ko
Жыл бұрын
@@yazajin why wouldn't it be, telltale has nothing to do with new tales from Borderlands
@bellonasservant4496
Жыл бұрын
@@RegularAI-pf9ko but its only half the Telltale staff, so i keep my optimism down. I hope we get a proper sequel, but so far i cant believe it.
@bhiett7448
Жыл бұрын
I actually think that story change of "It was all just an in universe movie" works really well. Add some stuff at the start and end, maybe put in some parts with Octavio interjecting the scene or the scene being cut when a QTE is failed and it could really sell the feeling.
@shcdemolisher
Жыл бұрын
That does make sense honestly.
@halonocturne
Жыл бұрын
thank you soooooo much for retelling this game! what gearbox have done to rhys is such a massive backstab, like the whole point of a character thrown into a trash bin for three scenes is infuriating! ugh just let borderlands die if you don't want to write something that atleast coherent to the previous games.
@Valyntin
Жыл бұрын
At the beginning of the video i was like, "come on it cant be that bad its a borderlands game afterall" now after this, the whole writing team behind this should lose their jobs and never work in this industry again, because they legitimately had physical and mental effects on my health.
@Subject_Keter
Жыл бұрын
The writing team needs to stay 200 ft away from any pencil, paper or computer to prevent any writing attempts.
@unanymusboi9984
Жыл бұрын
Frans jokes are like listening to Amy Shummer
@hossdelgado626
Жыл бұрын
They once had Amy Schumer show up to a convention where she insulted the people who had her show up for paying her to show up. So she was funny exactly once. Fran fails in even going that far.
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