You went to bed believing and woke up knowing that it was not the truth…….my heart. I could relate to this on a level I can’t describe. So much pain and so much freedom all at the same time. Even though we weren’t looking for that freedom at the time. Thank You for sharing.
@carolynaitken7632
2 жыл бұрын
I went to bed believing and woke up believing.
@ensignmjs7058
11 күн бұрын
I@@carolynaitken7632, the Easter Bunny appreciates it.
@kiahkiahkiahkiahkiah
2 жыл бұрын
Even in Utah county, most of the youth I knew left the church as well. About a third of Mormon youth I knew no longer believed in Mormonism and were either being forced to attend be their parents or hadn't told their parents because of fears of being kicked out of their house. The birth rate won't continue to save the church. Even the dedicated youth often had many questions and discomfort regarding the church's stances on things like the LGBTQ+ community and church history
@2022Coopersmom
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Simon. I got so emotional listening to your description of your epiphany. I too was a very emotional member. Convert in my 40’s. Spent almost all my time in primary, learning doctrine with children through the primary songs. I was active 20 years. On day in early 2021 I woke up and knew it wasn’t true. I was devastated and quite angry. I had not yet heard of another who woke up knowing it wasn’t true. That sparked my drive to research church history. Reverse engineered the facts and I’m still deep into learning the truth. Thank you Mormon Stories 💜🌈😎
@ediereay7507
3 жыл бұрын
Those huge expensive temples in countries with such poor people. From my reading of the Bible, this is not what Jesus would do.
@larrymcclain8874
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Acts 17:24-25.
@droundyCubby
2 жыл бұрын
This temples, when being built, contribute hugely to the local economies and give them a boost that continues long after they are done. When people visit, they shop in the area, they purchase local food, they stay at local places. Temples are economy builders.
@timotato4662
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but it is giving jobs to people building them. Not necessarily from that country they fly a lot of workers in. My brother in laws business that works on temples has paid for boats, trips to crazy places, vacation homes 400 children. So it’s not all bad.
@eastcoastguy_0803
2 жыл бұрын
@@droundyCubby Really? You are so disillusioned. Some countries have so few active Mormons, they can hardly make any difference in the economy of the neighborhood where the temple is.
@droundyCubby
2 жыл бұрын
@@eastcoastguy_0803 Sort of like the popular starfish metaphor. Maybe it does not matter to you, but it does matter to those who had work they might of not had and put bread on the table for another month,. I talked with them. I know the difference it made. Economy? One person gets paid, s/he pays the grocer, the landlord, the electricity, and so on. They in turn pay their own needs and the money filters out. It is true. I have seen it in action. I have talked to people involved.
@crystaljoylapp
3 жыл бұрын
I served in Chile when Elder Holland was there. Yes he closed many stakes, redrew boundaries, we tested the 2 hour church to boost attendance, told to seek out Men to build up priesthood. It’s still struggling today despite the propaganda the church publishes.
@manderson4803
2 жыл бұрын
If boys don't go on a mission the culture pretty much pushes them out. Atleast when I was younger that is how it looked.
@TS-iv9ml
Жыл бұрын
@crystaljoylapp I assume you are referring to Holland's son. He went on to become raleigh nc mission president with his wife. They did gigs as a pair at the pulpit everytime...thought we were in a comedy club....makes all the diff whose family you are born into....he's on the fast track lol surprised he's not selling tickets but stipends are good 😁
@funkyfreshtx
3 жыл бұрын
They claim that there are 16.5 million members worldwide, but as John said if you take the rough estimate of 1/3 activity right now you’re down to 5.5 million active members worldwide including children. If you take that and you find the rough number of active temple recommend holding adults that’s about another 1/4 and now you are at 1.83 million active temple recommend holding adults worldwide out of 7 billion people
@jayanderson147
3 жыл бұрын
it's almost comical when you remember that some of the inactive members they're counting in that 16 million are people like my ex's mom who has two adult children and hasn't believed in mormonism since she was like 14
@funkyfreshtx
3 жыл бұрын
@@jayanderson147 sad. I know. that’s why I always tell people there are about 5-5.5 million mormons
@paulamortensen36
3 ай бұрын
If your name is on the records you are counted as a member. Active or not
@funkyfreshtx
3 ай бұрын
@@paulamortensen36 yep. hence my comment about the rough actual “active” numbers
@abd-al-kareemqasim1711
3 жыл бұрын
I served my mission in Russia 10 years ago and the church there was clearly in decline. No way to hide it. Less than 10% of members on record were active and one branch was only kept open because the church owned the meetinghouse. I can only imagine what it’s like there now.
@jeffs4483
3 жыл бұрын
I believe Vladimir Putin made it illegal to proselytize in Russia.
@davemedsker
3 жыл бұрын
The love and service you gave your youth as a Bishop moved me, viscerally. Thank you so much for blessing them in that way.
@PeterLambert2211
2 жыл бұрын
I am almost 40. How many members my age are attending church because of their parents. When the membership of the church that are currently 70+ years old start to die off I wonder how many more people my age will start to pour out of the church because they no longer worry about disappointing their parents.
@townsendv58
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic to see you developing talent of Cara and Gerado. Fantastic for diversity and succession planning.
@yourtanktopfriend777
3 жыл бұрын
I was a scientist for 20 years. I left the church in 2008 and the first book I read when I left was "Losing a Lost Tribe" after a Native American nevermo colleague asked me if I had ever heard about it. When I said no, he told me what it was about. I said "That's interesting." (I'm from the Midwest and "That's interesting" has a negative meaning) and went straight back to working placing that issue I had on my mental bookshelf. I wish I could buy my former colleague a coffee now.
@jsmith1746
3 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="68">1:08</a>:00 - When I was a ward clerk, I did the weekly Sacrament meeting attendance count. When I was first called, the bishop thought I was undercounting each week. So for a few weeks, he also counted, and it turns out our numbers were spot on with each other. So after that, he automatically added 20% to my number and had me put that in the monthly report. I don't know how prevalent that practice may be. But it most certainly does happen at least in some cases.
@scottstringhamfacilitiesas3132
3 жыл бұрын
I was the ward clerk for my ward for 8 years and my served under 3 different bishops. None of them had me pad my numbers but I think it was all about budget, the more show up to church the more money you get from the church. I did watch the decline in membership go from 220 per week to 120 per week average over that 8 year period. The church is wasting away and most TBM's don't realize it or are in complete denial.
@tawneenielsen4080
3 жыл бұрын
@@scottstringhamfacilitiesas3132 what is a TBM
@michelereber8680
3 жыл бұрын
@@tawneenielsen4080 True Believing Mormon
@tawneenielsen4080
3 жыл бұрын
@@michelereber8680 thanks!
@voxnut
3 жыл бұрын
@@scottstringhamfacilitiesas3132 Most TBMs are in denial about a lot of things, so it's not hard to add one more to the pile.
@evieann4442
3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for the next episode with Simon on genetics!!!! I am a nurse practitioner and loved having a genetic specialist give a little explanation about the COVID vaccine as an afterthought at the end.
@kyler8371
3 жыл бұрын
What do I do? My whole life I have been taught this, I taught it on a mission, and my Family on both sides is staunch Mormon. But I can't deny these things anymore...
@David-ub2iz
3 жыл бұрын
You love your family and you love your friends who are mormon but you get out. Somebody Has to be 1st. If you need to, Get a counselor who specializes in high demand religions and/or cult exit resolution. Some people can't afford to remove their names. Some people have Neighbors who they care about who are mormon. You have to find a way. You have to focus on you. One day someone will come to you and thank you for being courageous. They will come to you for help themselves and by then maybe you have gone through the process.
@yeshalloween
2 жыл бұрын
All any of us can ever do is the best with the information and tools that we have. You can choose, as many people do, to disregard new things you’ve learned and continue on as you always have or you can do the hard and uncomfortable work of growing and adapting. It’s not fun.
@zaboomafia
2 жыл бұрын
Just love your family and leave
@crisisoffaithministries5434
2 жыл бұрын
Not an easy exit my friend I will not lie. My wife, kids and I left almost 4 years ago. My wife’s family trace their roots back to close friends of Joe Smith. I shared some of my story of why we left
@nameless1016
2 жыл бұрын
word up! jesus came to TEAR the veil
@debrawallace4542
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent show! I'm one of those who recently left the church during the pandemic. Having time away from church, away from callings, away from the temple was a joy. And I was a temple worker who attended weekly. Then I found the church essays which led me to finding the CES letter. After 42 years in the church I knew in an instant it wasn't true! I know of one other person in my ward who also recently left the church for much of the same reasons. I live in SE Michigan. 2 or 3 weeks ago some wards in our stake were divided and disbanded. My former ward was put into a different stake. I have no doubt this was done because membership is shrinking not growing. I have talked to friends from our previous ward and they said the ward has shrunk to almost nothing. Its happening everywhere. Anyway thank you for a wonderful episode!!
@kathyclark8274
3 жыл бұрын
Hope you manage to disengage or untangle yourself from the Church's web successfully and don't get sucked back in again.
@danite1742
3 жыл бұрын
42 years WOW! That is a long time to believe in Mormonism and then just leave so quickly. I personally can't seam to let it go, it's a church I grew up with and I am so tangled in it that I had to redefine the difference between Spiritual Truth and Physical Truth in order to justify my decision to stay in. It must feel good for you to finally be free of it all.
@provetome1199
3 жыл бұрын
I was 45yo when I discovered the TRUTH, When teaching seminary. I was a totally devoted member, attended the temple monthly, but I can’t imagine being a temple worker and finding out 😕 I only had a few online strangers to talk with as I was trying to sort it out. Hope you have a support group❤️
@danite1742
3 жыл бұрын
@@provetome1199 That is one of the challenges when someone starts having a faith crisis is where do you go to get answers or talk about these things? I am way to tangled in the church to ever leave but people in the church don't like it when you question.
@smallfairytales1231
3 жыл бұрын
I also discovered the true history during the pandemic at age 57. I’m so happy I did. 😀
@enlightened4845
3 жыл бұрын
A ward in my stake was recently disbanded and its remaining members were recombined with the parent ward. I heard that other wards in my state are doing the same. Membership growth has virtually stopped. The pandemic quarantine has not helped either. It has given people more and more time to research since they are not so busy with their callings anymore.
@opihi8086
3 жыл бұрын
Yup. I predict when the older TBMs pass away in 5-10 years, many wards will combine back to 1 ward. There are no members near my age 25-35 who are still active where I live. Anyone younger is at BYU.
@bigskypioneer1898
2 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that the same exact thing is happening with Jehovah's Witnesses. They are combining Kingdom Halls and then a couple of years later they sell one of the Kingdom Halls. I still say this temple building binge the LDS is going off on has more to do with real-estate than anything else... but I do admit Mormon Temples are 1000x more distinctive than a Kingdom Hall which can easily be repackaged into another church or even a business.
@easydoesit62
3 жыл бұрын
Simon is my hero!, a true defender of the truth with such obvious integrity and honor. He was the first person that touched my heart and started me on to the healing path of truly knowing that I was not alone. I love his intellect and courage with all my once broken heart. Mad respect!,,, ( as the kids say)!
@aubrey6538
Жыл бұрын
I really hope this doesn’t hurt anybody’s feelings but, I have a really hard time sitting through three or four or five hour interviews but, the time just flew by while listening to this one. Thank you so much for this video. Absolutely loved it.
@Cryptosifu
Жыл бұрын
I was to say the same thing. Way too long. Shorten these to 40 minutes or less.
@ireneflowers7630
3 жыл бұрын
I left the church for three years and returned in 2021. I was called to work in Primary and we have 6-8 children who attend. Numbers dropped over the three years I was gone
@patricianoel7782
2 жыл бұрын
Why did you return after leaving during the great apostasy? I find your choice to return fascinating. I am 65, a strong member all my life, found out of the betrayal last year, faith crisis and left. Obviously, a long story short here.
@easydoesit62
3 жыл бұрын
The way the church treated Dr Simon is proof that Christ and the “spirit” of Christ is actually absent from within.
@yourtanktopfriend777
3 жыл бұрын
Perfectly said.
@coyotelong4349
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The only thing that the LDS Church worships is itself- Its history, heritage and leadership
@michelereber8680
3 жыл бұрын
@@schrecksekunde2118 Do you really think the few words that you said are really going to cause anyone to Question if there is a God? Sorry bud but you are hardly important.
@integralawareness
3 жыл бұрын
@@fescot349 amazing that the bible criticizes those who look at reality and come to the conclusion there is no evidence for god.
@cc-mk2hp
2 жыл бұрын
@@schrecksekunde2118 You are incapable of dissuading me from my faith, Sir. Your statement is incorrect. He lives, however He doesn't live within the fraud of Mormonism.
@tlotus3032
3 жыл бұрын
That ebook cover is gorgeous. I love the glyph or pictograph. These people were incredible with such a rich ancestry. It disgusts me that Mormons are still, trying to colonize and claim it.
@pixi78
2 жыл бұрын
So interesting to hear the thoughts of a fellow Australian and a DNA scientist to boot. Thank you for having Simon on. I’m not a Mormon but I’m so interested in religion around the world and the impact on people’s lives.
@MrBilgey
2 жыл бұрын
I have read 'LOSING A LOST TRIBE..........' and I recommend every LDS member to read Simon Southerton's book. As for the 'LDS apologists' - the mind boggles when reading the apologists arguments when the apologists try to cope with DNA and the Book of Mormon. It appears that the LDS leaders are 'cooking the books' when it comes to reporting the membership numbers.
@boboak9168
3 жыл бұрын
As an Aussie it's embarrassing that we produced and exported Ken Ham (Creation Museum) and Geoffrey Jackson (Jehovah's Witnesses cult leader) to the USA. It's nice to see an Aussie contributing something useful on the religious front for a change. Super happy for you all to see "Mormonism's Decline" in the video title!
@JasMcKenzie
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, ken ham's a real piece of work. Please take him back.
@southernbawselady7092
3 жыл бұрын
Geoffrey Jackson's lying testimony at the ARC was my wake up call from the Jehovah's Witnesses!! I love him so much for waking me up from the JW nightmare! 😜 #ByeJW
@jg7923
3 жыл бұрын
I like Ken Ham.
@howdoyouknow1218
3 жыл бұрын
My sister is sucked into the young earth creationism cult right now. Sad that she is giving money to Ken Ham the Bible Scam.
@howdoyouknow1218
3 жыл бұрын
@@jg7923 I despise all scam artists.
@sleepycalico
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't it the case that temples have to be built to satisfy IRS requirements that funds have to be expended to prove charitable purpose? I believe this is why Scientology also builds new buildings that then remain basically empty.
@tawneenielsen4080
3 жыл бұрын
I wish they'd help more with single moms rather than temples, and I hold a recommend
@sleepycalico
3 жыл бұрын
@@tawneenielsen4080 Exactly! That's a great idea! Or, because they encourage big families, they could give families stipends for each child. Now that's something that might increase membership. Or they could even, at this point, stop tithing altogether so they would have less of a problem with putting money back out into the world.
@tawneenielsen4080
3 жыл бұрын
@@sleepycalico yes. I know soooo many women, I'm sure men too, that get left by their "priesthood authority" with no access to money to help when attorney fees that help get money to raise the kids. Some men believe if they take everything yet still hold their temple recommend, then that's validation that they are "doing what's right". So sad
@sleepycalico
3 жыл бұрын
@@tawneenielsen4080 Yes. So sad. It breaks my heart.
@sarahhunter1114
3 жыл бұрын
@@tawneenielsen4080 agree. When my dad was a bishop, he bought a new clothes washer for a single mom with ward funds when hers broke. He got dressed down by the stake pres because, "she can just go to the laundry mat." My dad asked if the sp really thought it was reasonable to have a single mom with little ones running around trek her crap, and her kids to a laundry mat. The answer was, yes, that is perfectly reasonable. smh
@tlotus3032
3 жыл бұрын
It's so awesome that BYU researched this for over 40 years. LMFAO I understood this with one read of the book of mormon as a young girl. not that I could fully walk away with losing my family as the end result. and I did lose them.. but we never really have them do we? the brain washed mostly narcissists.
@natashapeeters988
3 жыл бұрын
It was the same for me, but, in Jehovah's witnesses cult! I wonder why /how came your first doubts! ?
@southernbawselady7092
3 жыл бұрын
ExJW (Jehovah's Witness) Solidarity! 💪
@tlotus3032
3 жыл бұрын
@@natashapeeters988 polygamy when I was very young disturbed me and there's a mormon scripture that states if Joseph Smith's wife did the same 'she shall be destroyed.' In high school the "white and delightsome" parts, all the racism of the book of mormon didn't ring true and offended me. The book of abraham papyrus "translation" was a joke. It looked like a poorly drawn and explained home work assignment. I'm sorry if you lost esteem in your family or lost your family as a result of leaving JW. It's hell. They are evil organizations for that reason. People may do good in them but they are stunted and twisted to conform to insanity & bigotry.
@grantbeck9228
3 жыл бұрын
I love you sister. Sorry this happened to you. Same thing happened to me. My relationship with my parents is a source of sorrow every day and I know it will never get better. Thats the sad part.
@natashapeeters988
3 жыл бұрын
@@grantbeck9228 , yes. I made my own family, but they are a little all over the planet and I can't go for a walk and coffee with them every day.
@liisawilson2313
3 жыл бұрын
Great discussion. Thank you for revealing all this information. I hope the LDS members all over are hearing about this. Thank you for the work you do all.
@OwenLeonard
3 жыл бұрын
I was a missionary in the Philippines 97'-99'. I had an area where about 75 attended every week, over 1500 on the records. Crazily, it was a ward and a branch. It should have just been one branch.
@patricianoel7782
2 жыл бұрын
Nigeria has “27,000” members and has a temple. Temple was closed indefinitely about 5 years ago. As a member in Ethiopia many pry joined the church for aid, which is fine, but they also joined so they could get visas to get out of the country for temple trips that they never returned from. South Africa is pretty darned great compared to Ethiopia. Just some interesting stats. Thanks so much for your information, sir
@mormonstories
2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to interview you Patricia. mormonstories@gmail.com
@patricianoel7782
2 жыл бұрын
Sure. I was in Ethiopia as a teacher for the American Diplomats) School I was there from 2005-2007. That’s been a bit ago. Keep in touch.
@jackloganbill605
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting as an institute teacher a number of years ago preparing to teach church history and the summer reading list from the CES hierarchy included several books which really opened my eyes ...they were almost anti Mormon material and they were on the official reading! Rough Stone Rolling was on the list, which I think is the best treatment of early LDS history...This reading list was the turning point for me and at the time I wrote a "CES" type letter to the first presidency telling them that the internet and published works like Rough Stone rolling was a call to address these issues , I felt the church needed to address polygamy and once and for all bury it.... I did get a response from the first presidency through my bishop and State president and they were asked by the first presidency to conduct a series of interviews with me over a month or two period of time and I brought up each one of these issues with them. I have known these men for my entire adult life, taught their children in seminary and institute and Sunday school etc and as we discussed these issues it became obvious to me these men who I still Revere I still believe are wonderful people... but they had no clue absolutely no clue and I wondered at the time how long will it take for the church and men in power to accept the bald-faced truth to what has been going on for these hundred and fifty plus years....
@exjwborn-in2134
3 жыл бұрын
The Worlds richest Church-LDS. Also, I believe (out of all of them) it’s the one to pay our attention to because it is pinnacle. If your a fellow believer, of course, pay attention to your particular affiliated Church. I’m just saying, Mormonism is the best one to study for learning about the phenomena of how a belief system (through few leaders) can manipulate so many lives.
@Corinthians--vi4cn
3 жыл бұрын
I was born in Provo as a 5th generation mormon, and the deception is so deep with all the developed story / mormon pioneer history & culture
@dl1130
3 жыл бұрын
@@Corinthians--vi4cn remember though that the church no longer wants to be known as "Mormons". They are preparing future generations to think that Mormonism is as odd as the Mormon polygamist originalists are to those brought up years ago into the church.
@mariannepolkowski-burns2627
3 жыл бұрын
Great comment. While we lament over blatant political conspiracy theories, there are other religious lies which are even more calculated. Subtle, but appealing to our human search for meaning and security. I ponder the need that remains for truth. Buddhism?? Or a broad based Christian philosophy of non-dualistic thought. (Jewish thought can embrace this also.) This non-dualism could place meaning in kindness and love for other peoples. (Not trying to convert others).
@starguy2718
2 жыл бұрын
One disageement: the Roman Catholic church is *far* richer than is the Mormon church. But then, the Catholics have 1,500 years of corruption, on the Mormons.
@cc-mk2hp
2 жыл бұрын
@@Corinthians--vi4cn I was also 5th generation born in SLC . Exmo now. Family so deep in they cannot see the light of day. The deception is astounding.
@leonardoflorentin
3 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1789">29:49</a> this is interesting to me, I am from argentina and needles to say that the overwhelming majority here is catholic, not only because the pope is an argentine but because it has always been the main religion in here, but since I was a kid I noticed that we were being surrounding by those USA religions, I thought I was getting paranoid but I litterally saw it as an invasion, guess I wasn't all that wrong.
@gramspnwz1937
3 жыл бұрын
So the church is lying 🤥 about membership and growth as well?
@utah133
3 жыл бұрын
They've been exaggerating this for many years. "Lying for the Lord," I assume.
@heidiWava
2 жыл бұрын
@@utah133 Hahaha!
@kaijessen3654
3 жыл бұрын
The cargo cults were in Melanesia and New Guinea and not in Micronesia. Both of these regions are distinct from the Polynesian culture of Tonga, which is related to the Samoans, Hawaiians, Maori, and the Tahitians. The reference that mormons are popular in Tonga due a propensity of worshipping foreign inspired deities is a long stretch but Christianity did supplant local deities. I’ve heard the reasoning for the mormons getting a toe hold in Polynesia but I don’t believe it personally. Anyway, cargo cults and Tonga don’t match.
@joetaylor8687
2 жыл бұрын
In the early 1800s, there were LOTS of authors who believed (and tried to argue) that "native Americans" were descended from Israelites. Joseph Smith was far from the first. I'm not sure most people (members) know that.
@jackiegustaveson1133
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you all. The information is so valuable to us all. I am peeling back the layers.
@townsendv58
3 жыл бұрын
If the bishops are picking highest attendance numbers to get more budget, what are the financial controls within that organisation? A certain commentator within the UK has also commented on bank accounts containing large amounts of money that have not being spent.
@tothemoon4776
3 жыл бұрын
Reddit had a post and a lot of former Bishopric and Finance secretarys? (I can't remember what they're called now) were commenting, and they were saying how they'd send...400, 500 hundred thousand dollars a year to the Church, and get ward budgets that were...maybe 6, 7 thousand dollars. I was shocked.
@77Tadams
3 жыл бұрын
It was perfect religion for the 70s, 80s, and 90s for the materialism factor. Abundance meant more material wealth....now its changing the last few decades to something else.
@King_Puffleump
Жыл бұрын
I served my mission in Japan 07-09. All my areas had way more on the record than what showed up but I remember one branch particular had only 15 members attending and I think it was 300 on the roster. Very small percentage coming each week
@michaelgrey7854
2 жыл бұрын
I served my mission in Canberra in 1999. Simon was well talked about. Very fascinating presentation. Thank you.
@kaijusushi8165
3 жыл бұрын
the economics of owning and selling church buildings in a time of reducing interest in organized religion must be grim. Wasting assets that cost money to own and produce little or no tithing money, for which there is no market demand.
@beankrom
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy to see all the IHOH's (International House of Handshakes) popping up all around the Mormon corridor. Right next to freeways.... Pretty much rearranging playing music on and moving deck chairs at this point. Put a fork in the church... It's done.
@ItsMeCheryl1231
3 жыл бұрын
International House of Handshakes! Now that's funny! (I am not LDS, but have family that are.)
@provetome1199
3 жыл бұрын
I get nauseous driving by the temple in my hometown. Triggers me big time, so I can’t imagine seeing those buildings meeting houses on every block or mile in Utah!🤮
@heidiWava
2 жыл бұрын
@@ItsMeCheryl1231 I'm "LDS", I found that funny, too! I am kind of naughty LDS, cause I find stuff funny, that maybe I shouldn't. Maybe some sacrilegious (is that how you spell it?) stuff.🙃🙂🙃
@dausonstimpson-gagnon4426
3 жыл бұрын
The Church of Scientology is doing the same thing: building Orgs and their membership is literally dwindling down to 20,000, maybe 30,000 worldwide. But they have to spend their money because of some IRS deal in order to keep their tax exempt status.
@samplumbmusic270
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with Gerardo- I served my mission 2014-2016 in northern Nevada (reno, Carson, Fallon, fernley, winnemucca, Elko, etc) The process was so common we had a name : “ward listing” basically bishops and stake leadership outsourced the record cleansing to the missionaries . I actually loved it because it gave us something to do (as torturous as it was). I am glad Simon and others are compiling the data. Many in my family still believe the narrative of exponential growth. The statistics are in stark contrast!
@awilk07
3 жыл бұрын
Come follow me led me out of the church. The first year was about new testament and I rigorously followed it. But the more I learned of Jesus more the the church was obviously a Pharisee.
@chubbuck35
2 жыл бұрын
Same
@solodave8349
Жыл бұрын
Two of my former branches. We had over 100 members. I have now heard a year later from members in both of them that the one is down to 10 people attending Church and the other one has 2 Mechizedek Priesthold holders and 5 people attending Church. So we are looking at less than 6% and under 5% respectively. Both branches are doing the calling up the inactive members and fellowshipping and visiting with them. It's not working. I have a friend who served in South America and after 25 years he went back. There was a very full chapel and he said wow this is great. How many members? Oh well we have 1300 but 150 show up at Church. He was really disappointed.
@deaarcee3269
3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the explanations for us NeverMormons. Thank you.
@t-pain3343
3 жыл бұрын
I served in the philippines. Roughly ~10% came to church. Saw wards with 700 people but only 50-60 showed
@christinenewman2379
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it’s true.
@ruthsyversen5963
3 жыл бұрын
The building of more temples is why I quit paying my tithes, I didn't want my tithes to go for more temples!! They should be saving that money for when the Antichrist comes they're going to need to feed their people or take the mark of the beast! They could be building more farms so they can feed their people!!!
@charlesmendeley9823
2 жыл бұрын
Jesus is not going to show up in our lifetime. He didn't bother to do so in the last 2000 years.
@heidiWava
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they can currently. How much watch are they under..? The world and leaderships are crazy rn. The whole world could be better off, if the governments cared about their people. We could change the welfare systems to help make the world a better place. I don't know of a powerful (wealthy) organization that is taking care of it's people as well as it could.
@joelleggett6985
3 жыл бұрын
Looks like they are learning from Scientology!
@johnpoole3871
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. It is the Ideal Org thing all over again.
@jmt1335
3 жыл бұрын
Cape Town has never, ever grown fast or grown at all really. First missionaries came in 1850s. Though, of course, how could the church grow much when it catered only to the minority White population? Lol. Two “stakes” (you know how they now make stakes with fewer units and smaller numbers) almost 170 years later. Yet, a temple announced. It’s hard not to view that announcement as manipulation of the active members, to keep them hanging on, paying their tithing, and being “worthy”. Most members on the rolls simply do not identify as members of the church.
@brentongsherwood
3 жыл бұрын
As you suggested, I counted the number of adults in my ward with callings and those without callings on the LDS tools app. For the Iowa City Iowa Stake, Iowa City 1st Ward, there are 414 total adult members listed. 106 (25.6%) currently have a calling listed. Great idea looking at the number of active members this way!
@cristiflorescash1962
2 жыл бұрын
Eyo! I’m a fellow exmo Iowan! I was in the Ames stake growing up (left in 2013 for college). I’d be very interested to see the numbers back home, since I know my own branch went from over 100 people every week to probably less than 20. It’s basically dead in the water.
@paulatarver-prof
10 ай бұрын
My experience is that nearly 50% of members are singles. Singles appear to sit around expecting to be taken care of. Sad. I have, sadly, been one of those the last 4 years.
@carmenoreilly143
3 жыл бұрын
Ex-member of an English ward not far from Chorley. We were lucky if we got 60 a week in attendance. There was never any more than 6 youth in my ward at any given time. My stake in general, aside from core families, hardly kept any investigators or converts. Also, with regard to the Preston Temple attendance, people attached a lot of prestige to living near the temple, which means all the well-off members move up that way as soon as they can.
@kathrynclass2915
3 жыл бұрын
From my LDS Tools app directory info Total ward adult members, not counting kids = 320 Members with ward or stake callings and ones I know are active w/out callings = 103 This includes all the people that are stuck on committees that might not actually be active. I saw a few people listed as having a calling to be on a committee who I know for a fact are not active.
@IllyaLeonovMorganFreepony
3 жыл бұрын
People compartmentalize their thoughts quite effectively. We all do it to some degree and do not realize it, or dismiss it when we do realize it. When I was a member of the church many years ago I was astonished to find that one of my fellow parishioners who was a petroleum engineer maintained that the Earth was 6000 years old.
@kaijusushi8165
3 жыл бұрын
church leaders are still speaking spin in the era of authenticity
@exbronco
2 жыл бұрын
In the Book of Mormon, 3rd Nephi, chapter 13, verses 19 and 20, Jesus says people shouldn't hoard money. then the church hoards money :/
@sarinos9274
3 жыл бұрын
My first thought when I heard about all the temples was that binding up a lot of money in buildings was a smart move. Ive always heard that investing in apartments and stuff is really good, because it's easier to loose money than property. And I guess the church is pretty much economically selfgoing, not really in need of peoples tithing, due to all the investments theyve been doing through the ages? Feel free to correct me though.
@ramonabryant9130
Жыл бұрын
The first reason the Mormon hierarchy is so intent on hiding membership numbers is to maintain the IRS “religious” Designation rather than the corporate status that it truly is.
@lesliecan8
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis of what’s been going on with the inflation, and shuffling of the membership and stake numbers.
@natashapeeters988
3 жыл бұрын
Around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="805">13:25</a> minutes, I always wondered if it is the thoughts control, the fear of losing their paradise, fear of being wrong for a long time or enjoying the control too much? I am an ex-jw.
@ryanhollist3950
2 жыл бұрын
I've wanted to remove my records for at least the last decade. I haven't because every time I would think about it I just didn't want to deal with all the red tape I knew they would throw at me. I'm finally now actually taking the steps.
@heidiWava
2 жыл бұрын
About 5 years ago, I told a Bishop I was thinking of having my records removed. He said that I would lose the companionship of the Holy Ghost. I didn't want to lose that. I know that it still influences people, even not in the church.. But, I didn't want to lose that. I do feel like I have lost a lot of it though. I don't have my records removed. I am "still a member". Not embarrassed, there is a lot of good. I just don't know that I am a good example of the Church. That is why I don't know how to label myself.
@ryanhollist3950
2 жыл бұрын
@@heidiWava The whole thing of "companionship of the Holy Ghost" is really a control mechanism they use to keep people in. I've yet to meet anyone who has left and had their records removed who feels they lost any real spiritual connection. For many they feel more connected than they did before since they are no longer relying on what an institution is telling them to feel.
@TS-iv9ml
Жыл бұрын
It's called the Holy Spirit not the Corporation's copywritten "HG" it is a thinly veiled manipulating threat. The corporation that does not have the need to be honest or apologize ie no personal need for the Saviors atonement and they are telling YOU that you won't have the companionship of the Holy Spirit....cognitive dissonance runs strong in that group. By their Fruits....
@StephRivera
3 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="84">1:24</a>:30 - I just realized that's genius. You can make the "church-broke" people do more callings this way. Yes, 20% of the people do 80% of the work sounds about right. I feel bad for my own family who work so hard in their callings. They will take vacation time from work so they can do girls camp. They will say no to hanging out with their family coming into town because of callings and ward activities. It's just gross how they push the faithful members so hard. One of my siblings told me she burnt out and she started stepping back from some callings that were just overwhelming. She realized her time was more valuable and she was being taken advantage of because she was faithful and didn't say "no". Now she says "no" more. But some of my family just says "yes" and they are practically drowning in thier ward callings.
@gazelam1973
2 жыл бұрын
The reason the LDS church is building so many temples, is because in order to maintain their tax exempt status, they are required by law to spend a certain percentage of their income on something or anything to benefit the members. They can spend it on welfare, building new meeting houses, new university(Provo & Rexburg) construction projects, constructing new temples from scratch, and tearing down old temples then rebuilding a new temple in its place (ie. Boise, Ogden, Provo, St. George, Manti, and Salt Lake) . Me thinks if it weren't for this law, they'd just hoard most of the money. They might be experiencing a membership decline. But make no mistake about it, they are still receiving a shit-ton of cash from tithing receipts, profits from business ventures, and good returns on investments. It's as if they are swimming in an ocean of cash they have to spend, and can't figure out how to spend it fast enough. So they default to spend it on temple construction. At this rate, there will be a temple for every Stake within 50 years.
@heidiWava
2 жыл бұрын
Why can't they just invest in real help for people? Will they get in trouble and cause an uprising,.. giving power to normal people in the world. Will other world leaders not like that? Power to the pe'ple?
@gazelam1973
2 жыл бұрын
@@heidiWava In terms of humanitarian relief, I do give the LDS Church high marks. The lds church does have huge, and I mean really massive warehouses that contain everything you would need to combat a natural disaster. Food, potable water, medical supplies, etc.....the list goes on. So when there is a natural disaster, they do freely give material assistance to the affected population regardless if they are members of the lds faith or not. This is the one aspect of the lds faith that gets almost universal praise(even from its worst critics). I do agree, if they have the cash, they should do so much more for those who stand in need.
@bodytrainer1crane730
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with Simon on Church News... it's so one-sided. To me personally it seems intellectually insulting to its readers.
@satutoivonen9679
2 жыл бұрын
Haha, Southerton mentioning Belgium and Italy as countries where LDS church membership doesn't really support building a temple is a bit amusing to me as a Finn. Finland has a temple and about half the church membership of either Belgium or Italy (according to Finnish census data; the church claims roughly +50%, ofcourse 😃). The temple isn't recently built either, it's from 2006. They've built the temple for couple thousand members back in '06. Weird, I'd love to know what happened there. 🤔
@anitah2404
Жыл бұрын
Members from Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia go to the temple in Finland, in addition to Finnish members.
@janemaas4225
3 жыл бұрын
This was a fascinating podcast. Looking forward to hearing his podcast on DNA.
@corydensley7631
3 жыл бұрын
They're building a temple in my home town of Layton, Utah. I currently live in Kaysville, which is directly south of Layton, and I realized I can see that eyesore from my front yard. I am not happy.
@danite1742
3 жыл бұрын
Always a little reminder for you 😆 that's funny. I grew up in Layton and when I was out there visiting family I noticed that temple being built. I hear that property values go up when you house is by a Temple so maybe it will pay off having it there.
@G274Me
3 жыл бұрын
As if Utah needs another temple. There’s one in almost every town along the Wasatch front. All that high end architecture and square feet. There’s homeless people out here; why does god not let them stay in the temple? Isn’t that what Jesus taught? It’s a business that’s selling fake tickets to heaven.
@danite1742
3 жыл бұрын
@@G274Me opposed to selling real tickets to heaven?
@Basilicum_Raspberry
3 жыл бұрын
I hear (ex)mormon mention a shelf often on KZitem. What is the origin of that expression?
@elsiecreek3040
3 жыл бұрын
I’m not Mormon, but it is figurative… each time they come across a doubt or something that doesn’t add up or make sense, they “put it on the shelf” and kind of just ignore it. Eventually that shelf gets too heavy, and “breaks” and they might explore a faith crisis. Shelf items could be lgbtq policies, history issues, prophet related, etc.
@danite1742
3 жыл бұрын
Ya it's when something doesn't make sense and so instead of loosing your faith over the issue, just put that issue on a shelf in hopes that it gets resolved and no longer because an issue for you.
@2022Coopersmom
3 жыл бұрын
Whenever the church can’t answer a question the pat response is that in the afterlife all will be revealed. So basically, yeah, we were taught to put questions on a shelf
@charlesmendeley9823
2 жыл бұрын
The psychological term is "cognitive dissonance". The inconsistencies in the Mormon church creates a cognitive dissonance, which is compared to putting things in a shelf. At one time, the shelf will break from its weight, which means that people lose their faith in the religion and leave.
@pattykake7195
3 жыл бұрын
Love Simon Southerton … imagine causing the Brethren to change the intro to the BOM ( the most correct book on earth ) now that’s a feather in his cap…🪶. Thanks guys, loved this podcast 👌🏽
@ruthsyversen5963
3 жыл бұрын
I thought that statement at the front of the book of Mormon was sacrilege, I was a convert and I felt that the Bible held that title!
@mariannepolkowski-burns2627
3 жыл бұрын
There is so much truth in the soft cynical comments of Simon Southerton Listening carefully is so important. He has a respect for te truth.
@pattykake7195
3 жыл бұрын
@@mariannepolkowski-burns2627 Yes… we should all respect the truth…unfortunately the “ Brethren “ prefer their “version” of the truth….🤫🤥
@cynthiamarquez3370
3 жыл бұрын
I don't want to formally resign. I just want the church to be more honest and inclusive. Mostly, though i can't say that it's the one true church and i don't want to be coerced into saying and teaching as such. I would like to be able to visit my local ward and refrain from that sort of thing. imo it should be ok to not be all in with " The one true church" mantra and still want to participate.
@charlesmendeley9823
2 жыл бұрын
Honest in the sense that the Book of Mormon is not historical?
@TheJDSeibel
3 жыл бұрын
Can we have these slides all in one Instagram post? I would love to re-post them in my stories while giving due credit to the author
@bdshafer
3 жыл бұрын
Simon Southerton did an excellent job of sharing information. If he has any type of degree, it should be noted and used as part of his name please. Blessings to all for sharing.
@carolshaw8240
3 жыл бұрын
Our former ward building was a target of arson and burned badly. The church is not going to rebuild it! It has displaced 3 Wards. It was the only building in our town. But yet the Temple in Grand Junction is going forward!
@utah133
3 жыл бұрын
We had a stake center near me in Utah County damaged by arson. It sat there boarded up for a year or two. Then it was demolished down to bare soil. Recently a developer bought it and will build 9 homes.
@sherrynalder1359
3 жыл бұрын
St. George, Utah a week ago had 3 church fires in one night!
@carolynaitken7632
3 жыл бұрын
There’s no excuse for arson that’s a terrible thing to do no one deserves that.
@snoopybro1512
Жыл бұрын
Who’s to say the church didn’t hire anyone to burn it? The needed to get rid of a stake or ward. Sell its property to investors. They burn one of their own down. And profit and solve their problem
@jasoncox8244
3 жыл бұрын
This made me happy. I want to see the church cease to exist in my lifetime.
@siren3197
3 жыл бұрын
I asked to be taken off the church roles. The bishop said I'd have to send a letter askng to be ex-communicated, which I did. I never heard another word, so I don't know if he followed through or not.
@ItsMeCheryl1231
3 жыл бұрын
My husband did the same thing about 18 years ago. It popped into my head a while back and I asked him if he had ever received any verification that his name was removed, and he said he'd never heard back after his submitted his request. I wonder if he was really removed. His mother's siblings are DEEP into the LDS church.
@jamesbrothersstudio4660
Жыл бұрын
If you didn't get a letter of confirmation of your records removal, you're still being used to boost numbers. You can verify your records removal through the church but they don't make it easy.
@imboredimbored8252
3 жыл бұрын
So a decline in membership is evidence that the LDS church has fallen, yet studies also show that there is a general decline in all denominations. I don't think a decline in membership is denomination specific, it is a problem across all denominations and all religions for that matter.
@danite1742
3 жыл бұрын
Actually the Muslim ☪ religion is not only growing at an alarming rate, but they are projected to become the dominant religion in the world.
@danite1742
3 жыл бұрын
@@j.j.5731 This isn't a bad thing but in reality it is all a part of our spiritual evolution. The real truth is that WE are God and it is our own intervoice inside of us that inspires us, create miracles, and creates healing abilities. The source is not outside but we each have our own source inside of us. Jesus came to teach us that we are the same as him and he gave us direction on what we need to do and it isn't about a church organization but it is about us and what will enhance our lives. We have more abilities then what we understand, but collectively we are the very God that created all things.
@imboredimbored8252
3 жыл бұрын
@@danite1742 No, we did not create the elements. We exist. Whether or not you believe people exist because of chance or if it was on purpose is up to you. If you believe in Jesus and His teachings, then you would have to accept all of His teachings and not just cherry pick. He taught that there is a spirit that influences people. I do not believe that it is all in one's mind because there are times when things are revealed that could not have been known without that spirit to reveal it. It is outside of the mind because it is new information that was not known to the individual prior to this spirit revealing the information. Therefore it comes from another source, not from oneself. I agree that people have potential to become like God, that is said repeatedly in the New Testament that we are children of God and joint-heirs with Christ, but that is conditional.
@imboredimbored8252
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheChenny73 Believing in a seer stone would be similar to believing in the urim and thummin in the old testament, or the white stone mentioned in Revelation that has a new name for the individual who receives the stone and only that individual can see the name written in the stone.
@imboredimbored8252
3 жыл бұрын
@@j.j.5731 The beast needs an army too
@Cindy-up2oj
2 жыл бұрын
Why would you ex-commumicate a person from a Church. When God is the head of the Church to begin with. After some people gave their time, talents and money.
@mr_ekshun
2 жыл бұрын
Just starting this video, but here to say I'm coming after just hearing Nelson announce SEVENTEEN new temples at general conference yesterday. I'm interested to hear what this video says 7 months ago and how that might apply today.
@Deuteronomy_18
Ай бұрын
Everyone forgets and Mormonism avoids the Biblical test of a prophet. And then , good folks are swept away by their heart
@dianethulin1700
3 жыл бұрын
Do the number of temple dedications include the ones that are being renovated? Or is this number only new ones? I went to the Oakland temple before it was re-dedicated. It was a real let-down! So glad I was never married in one
@rphomemovies
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like members my age (sixties) are committed to the Church. Maybe it's anecdotal, but it seems like all of my old friends are as religious as ever. I guess we will see if a meaningful percentage of the younger generation leaves. I still see alot of people getting married in the temple though.
@dr.bandito60
3 жыл бұрын
My peers are late 20-early 30s. Many people I know have been married in the church only to leave within another 5 years. Some divorce, many don’t. I’m in Orem/Provo area. My super faithful sister was married three years ago while at BYU and resigned this year with her husband. I am sort of cherry-picking as an exmormon because those are the folks I meet more often, but I’m seeing just a lot of people leaving after temple marriage, even with kids. I’m seeing a lot of couples putting their marriage before the church and supporting one another’s faith crisis. I’m also noticing sort of a snowball effect, with one adult sibling leaving in a family, and then more start to leave too after a couple years. It’s been wild seeing some of my most committed mormon acquaintances from stalwart LDS families leaving.
@BlessYourHeart254
2 жыл бұрын
At the turn of the millennium, people got the internet, so the secrecy began to unravel, and doubters found each other.
@user-it1hc9nn8i
25 күн бұрын
The church needs to stop building new temples and feed the hungry and house the homeless.
@brianmcdermott629
Жыл бұрын
My ex-father in-law was the mission president of the Marshall Islands Mission just 2-3 years ago (former Stake President of the Rigby East Stake in Idaho). He was an ACCOUNTANT before he retired. Shame on him and the other church leaders who fudged the numbers so bad there. They all knew/know better and are aware of what they’re doing.
@tothemoon4776
3 жыл бұрын
I sometimes just comment on videos and don't watch. For those who might do this on this video they talked about some really interesting changes the Church made in 2018. Almost certainly in response to dwelling numbers. 1. Stopped giving their annual statistical report during April General Conference on church growth and numbers(things like number of baptisms, new units created etc). 2. They changed the meeting schedule from three hours to two. Allowing for duplicate callings. And (IMO the most shocking) 3. Merged both the High Priest Group and Elders Quorum, and merged the Bishopric and Young Mens. This would eliminate maybe half of Priesthood calling in all local units. Why would they eliminate half of unit Priesthood callings? Because they don't have the men to fill them.
@anniemarsh3128
3 жыл бұрын
I knew some of this but not the part about the bishopric and young men’s. Does that mean that the bishopric is the duplicate for the young men’s presidency?
@ZachBrimhall
2 жыл бұрын
The current LDS Church is in decline because they are trying to appeal to everyone. It (LDS Church) has become apostate.
@bossendenwoodconvict
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting points (from <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="93">1:33</a>.10 onwards. ) A 14.7% activity rate in British Wards, and The U.K. is one of the stronger countries. And it could be even worse IF the 27,967 making up the 14.7% includes visiting missionaries and investigators. These are NOT from the 188,000 baptised members.
@kristianmurphy4308
3 жыл бұрын
"The Church" is approaching 200 years old....and there are how many active in the WORLD??? THAT is not a restoration of Christ's ANYTHING. Wasn't Christ's intention to restore and envelope THE ENTIRE WORLD WITH HIS CHURCH?? 4-6-8 million out of 7 - 7.5 BILLION??? When will Jesus fire the Management of His Church for lack of performance??
@imboredimbored8252
3 жыл бұрын
When Christ returns every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ. Prior to that time the gospel will be preached to every nation, but that does not imply that everyone will believe. The New Testament writers state the lack of faith that will be present in the last days. People loving the world more than God.
@kristianmurphy4308
3 жыл бұрын
@@imboredimbored8252 OR....that Pre Existent Spirits were born into Conservative-Radical Islam, one of the 5000 sects of Christianity, Buddhism, or any one of the many OTHER FAITHS. Hard to judge a person who was born and raised and all they know is THEIR religion.
@imboredimbored8252
3 жыл бұрын
@@kristianmurphy4308 Not sure most other religions believe in a "pre-existence". I suppose if you believe in reincarnation. When God returns everyone will bow the knee no matter what religion they are. LDS teach that people can accept the gospel in the next life, so that the judgment you refer to will be fair and just.
@kristianmurphy4308
3 жыл бұрын
@@imboredimbored8252 What would convince a lifelong Radical Islamist Terrorist, who has just blown himself up, and gone to "spirit prison," to deny Mohammad and accept Christ???
@sarahparkin2869
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think a lot of the expressed ideas about SES associated with interest in church is problematic. That seems that it reflects a bias that can be challenged by experience and more research. I taught English in my US mission and I did not see that Spanish speaking people in the US were more interested in the church at all, in fact the missionaries in my mission that taught English speaking investigators had significantly more baptisms than the Spanish speaking missionaries.
@joetaylor8687
2 жыл бұрын
These small temples (a bit larger than the average chapels) probably represent a good ROI (Return on Investment) since you have to pay 10% of your income as the price of admission.
@joanteasdale2991
Жыл бұрын
It surely seems a waste of tithing money and I have friends who can barely pay their tithing because of the size of their families and feeding them and clothing them and housing them and giving them the necessities of life because they have to pay their tithing and they feel so guilty when they don't that is not right
@pacificislandgirl
Ай бұрын
Years ago I was given a book with Mormon membership and my name was in it! My parents and sister had joined but I neveer did. I contacted the church and emphatically told them I had not joined, never attened nor would I and take my name off. I wonder how many are counted who are not members. If the person who found the book and gave it to me I would never had known.
@Danke1982
3 жыл бұрын
In the lds is everything just about marketing.
@brianevans5573
Жыл бұрын
What would happen to a temple if there were not enough support? Would they ever close a temple? Or repurpose it? I suppose they would make nice hotels!
@tracygittins6343
2 жыл бұрын
Big picture numbers: 16,565,036 members (!) divided by 30,940 congregations = 503 members per unit.The most active of congregations I've seen in Utah may have 200-250 attending. Everywhere else 50-60 attendees seems pretty typical.
@heidiWava
2 жыл бұрын
Are those covid numbers? Singles Ward still has lots of attendees!
@KitKat-gw4rh
3 жыл бұрын
Also I love the long format. And discussions about covid and vaccines. Thank you.
@scottgrimmett7159
Жыл бұрын
Surely the growth in temples is about shifting the wealth of the church into real estate? The Missionary days are over, contraction is inevitable but a property portfolio requires management which provides a small number of very lucrative jobs for friends and family!
@funkyfreshtx
3 жыл бұрын
I love looking at the church statistics and seing the slow decline as well last years growth was only 0.6% overall! But also there were almost as many deaths, resignations and excommunications than new names added. In comparing the 2019 and 2020 numbers, the difference in membership totals is 98,627 members. Between new births and baptisms in 2020 that's 191,370 new members. So that means that 92,743 members resigned or died in 2020.
@alanfiloteo3580
11 ай бұрын
I SERVED IN CHILE VINA DEL MAR 09 -11!!! YES beautiful chapel buildings were left abandoned and destroyed!
@michaelgrey7854
2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to see that around the late 90's / 2000's was when the Internet really started to gain traction. Would this have an effect on the membership, as information on the church became more readily available?
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