Apparently having big planes flying VFR is not that common there :)
@rhs2000vtec
4 жыл бұрын
Not rare at all - my company does it almost once a week.
@conorherget313
4 жыл бұрын
It’s the fact that it was done under VFR.
@Gr8fulbluz
4 жыл бұрын
My Ops Spec do not allow us to takeoff VFR from airports with operating ATC. I have never seen it happen. On flights that short I always wonder 'Should I bring the gear up?'
@nickv4073
4 жыл бұрын
"Endeavor 5578, you are cleared to taxi via Van Wyck Expessway North to Grand Central Pkwy West. Follow the Yellow Cab".
@davidcarroll8735
3 жыл бұрын
I think this is the best comment, against some tough competition, well done!
@armaga144
3 жыл бұрын
My god, I laughed my ass off just by imagining this
@NickyD
2 жыл бұрын
ha ha im dead
@afridgetoofar1818
2 жыл бұрын
"Endeavor 5578 has Yankee....stadium."
@jjbailey01
2 жыл бұрын
This sounds like something Kennedy Steve would say.
@josephdale69
4 жыл бұрын
They probably spent a longer time taxiing than the actual flight.
@afcgeo882
4 жыл бұрын
Joseph Dale Yeah, but it’s a repositioning flight.
@noonedude101
4 жыл бұрын
We used to do a 9nm flight in a Brasilia from an airport with runway 19/1... 9nm to an airport that was also 19/1. We would brief takeoff and landing while we taxied. We'd get a takeoff clearance from the departure airport and then we'll call the other airport and get a landing clearance while we were still on the ground. Instead of, "Acceleration v2+20 flaps up", we called, "Acceleration v2+20 landing checks."
@DannyBeeVegas
4 жыл бұрын
Usually those flights are done later in the evening and it's always interesting when it's the other way around since the flight might be routed out toward Eastern Long Island to enter the landing pattern. Its not uncommon for a flight to be repositioned from/ to the NYC airports, some repositions into EWR heads as far south as PHL to enter the EWR pattern
@Plyst3
4 жыл бұрын
@@DannyBeeVegas yep, Ive seen and listened to the atc as they spin around, they tend to head down to Robbinsville, sometimes as far as Philly depending on traffic at Trenton Mercer, or Fort Dix. As well as the numerous small county airports. Always an interesting site on a clear day watching a jet at a relative low altitude turn around.
@_extra9126
4 жыл бұрын
Having left out of JFK numerous times, this is painfully true.
@retard3448
4 жыл бұрын
JFK: refile your flight plan Pilot: I'M GOING ACROSS THE STREET GOD DAMNIT
@Dubanx
4 жыл бұрын
I just had this picture of a 747 stuck in traffic on I91 and screaming out the window at other drivers.
@FakeJeep
4 жыл бұрын
Laughing far too hard at this.
@TheHawaiianc
4 жыл бұрын
man i would hate just move to the next gate lol
@Plyst3
4 жыл бұрын
The mental image of a jet casually strolling over to the BQE (Brooklyn Queens express for you non New York familiar) and then going up the highway to LGA.. hahaha
@Dubanx
4 жыл бұрын
That one asshole behind him honks the horn one too many times so he hits the throttle and blows like 20 cars off the road. "Do you know why I pulled you over?" ... Can I say no?
@YourselfAndEye
4 жыл бұрын
Pilot 1: "positive rate, gear up." Pilot 2: "Nahhh lmao. Just leave er down"
@positiverategearup8043
4 жыл бұрын
T Abel hahaha! Before they reach TOC its time for TOD already
@joshuabarbosa4824
4 жыл бұрын
Lol same 😂
@VirtuellJo
4 жыл бұрын
ENVD to ENSS flaps are not retracted.
@TheSimulationGamer
4 жыл бұрын
Best comment in this video
@noonedude101
3 жыл бұрын
When I was flying part 135 we regularly made a reposition flight between two airports that were only six miles apart. They also had pretty similar runways. We would get our Landing clearance from the tower at the departure Airport by them calling the tower at the other airport on the phone. I would literally be cleared to land and take off at the same time. The running joke was, "Positive rate, gear down, landing checks."
@zerobyte802
4 жыл бұрын
Air traffic controllers hate this one simple trick that saves you hours of paperwork.
@ArcticProxy
4 жыл бұрын
@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 lol
@jankeessteenbergen
4 жыл бұрын
@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 Wait what. Can you explain further?
@CODMarioWarfare
4 жыл бұрын
@@jankeessteenbergen It's a parody of clickbait ads
@jankeessteenbergen
4 жыл бұрын
@@CODMarioWarfare lol how did I miss that ty
@lDrFuManchul
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, my name is Andrew and I have to thank you! With your simple trick I saved 10Bucks worth of paper *shows some random banking app on phone with „+120$“* I can’t believe that worked! *drives off with rental ferrari*
@6z0
4 жыл бұрын
“Youre cleared for takeoff” 45 seconds later “Youre cleared for landing”
@strohtaler4698
3 жыл бұрын
Nope: "You're cleared for landing... Wind 270 at 11, runway 22R, cleared for takeoff"
@nickluther263
4 жыл бұрын
That awkward moment when a subway train gets you from point A to point B faster then an airplane
@uehm
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know man, getting from Queens to BK is pretty shit...but it's only $2.75, so just a tad bit cheaper then flying there ;)
@JonathanRockway
4 жыл бұрын
It's about an hour. It is somewhat difficult to get your plane onto the subway at rush hour, though, so it's easier to just fly it. Lot of weird looks when you and your copilot are just trying to shove it through the door. Everyone has to scramble to move their luggage out of the way. They try to close the door on you. It's a disaster. 0/10 would not recommend.
@FeNite8
4 жыл бұрын
Can’t fit an airplane on a subway
@amax1229
4 жыл бұрын
It was a reposition flight. Probably no passengers.
@jeanpauljh
4 жыл бұрын
...except there is no subway linkage between JFK and LGA (never mind that neither airport is served at all by a direct subway)
@kylejonas3875
4 жыл бұрын
This is straight out of a FSX Steam multiplayer session
@jmullentech
4 жыл бұрын
I can hear AirforceProud now... "Endeavor 5578, winds 270 @ 11, caution wake turbulence from the departing hot air balloon, RWY 22R, cleared for take off".
@smartrubberchicken
4 жыл бұрын
Can't be. There is no hot air balloon doing 420 knots
@RubberDucky087
4 жыл бұрын
@@jmullentech Have you seen the one with the "new controller" who won't clear him into Vegas? I love that one. This is pretty much the same level of confusion.
@cheddarmx5969
4 жыл бұрын
@@RubberDucky087 thats the best one
@StrokeMahEgo
4 жыл бұрын
Endeavor, stand by, space shuttle on final.
@DerekHardwick
4 жыл бұрын
JFK DEP: Endeavor 5578, what’s your flight level? Endeavor 5578: I’m at 3rd & Main...
@armyguru1214
4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ryansiebert2168
4 жыл бұрын
I laughed harder at this than thr video
@fhturner3
4 жыл бұрын
Sat here cackling in my car in parking lot at this one...
@fhturner3
4 жыл бұрын
@Calefar Dimani Not cool.
@120mmsmoothbore2
4 жыл бұрын
@Calefar Dimani I laughed too hard at this
@Quasihamster
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine Steve handling this: "I don't know who you are, I don't know where you are. Just go where you want, as long as you make LGA by nightfall they'll be happy."
@beyondinsanitybr
4 жыл бұрын
His name is Kennedy Steve. Please correct.
@Quasihamster
4 жыл бұрын
@@beyondinsanitybr What if I was talking about Schipol Steve?
@beyondinsanitybr
4 жыл бұрын
@@Quasihamster That's a character too!
@MADmosche
4 жыл бұрын
Scuba Steve?
@davidfrench5407
4 жыл бұрын
I think everyone knew which Steve he was talking about considering we're talking about a JFK departure.
@CAPFlyer
4 жыл бұрын
There's actually an even shorter repo that occurs occasionally - DFW - DAL or vice versa. Usually, its a corporate aircraft doing the move, but when the conditions are right, they literally take off on runway 13L at DFW and land 13L or 32R at DAL - a total flight time of 3 minutes in a jet. Most crews don't even pull up the gear or flaps. It's takeoff, approach checklist, configure for landing, landing checklist, land. They definitely spend more time taxiing than flying.
@malcolmy11
4 жыл бұрын
That's super fun, all flying no cruise. At least in FSX.
@skapskippy
4 жыл бұрын
I've done even shorter doing a repo from ADS to DAL. Also talked to a flexjet pilot who did it once and as soon as he took off from ADS on 15 the Addison controller cleared him to land at DAL 13L.
@stemhead
4 жыл бұрын
I repo DFW-ADS or DAL-ADS often enough. I do get the gear up for a few seconds though.
@tjsynkral
4 жыл бұрын
My Flight Sim ops were often between CGX, ORD, and MDW
@milaandahiya
4 жыл бұрын
I've seen flights from RBD-DAL as well
@AverytheCubanAmerican
3 жыл бұрын
Pilot: Can we just go VFR? ATC: You're flying in one of the busiest airspaces in the world just to go to LaGuardia, no you can- Pilot: *WE'LL DO IT LIVE!*
@mynickels
2 жыл бұрын
What a reference!
@afridgetoofar1818
2 жыл бұрын
First Officer O'Reilly
@NoNameAtAll2
2 жыл бұрын
@@mynickels reference to what?
@BlueBearJr
2 жыл бұрын
@@NoNameAtAll2 look up “Bill O’Reilly We’ll do it live”
@jetx_47
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't think I'd see you here
@aquaz_eu
4 жыл бұрын
If I'd have a billion dollars I'd setup a flight company that would just fly some weird connections just to confuse the controllers.
@Widoghastly
4 жыл бұрын
Aquaz SFO to OAK
@rawinpinkoh5823
4 жыл бұрын
Ohare to midway
@ImCondor1
4 жыл бұрын
Tpa-Pie
@rylandspencer
4 жыл бұрын
Boeing Field to Sea-Tac
@namedropper9237
4 жыл бұрын
Ryland Spencer Everett-SeaTac
@freednighthawk
4 жыл бұрын
"This is your captain speaking, Today's flight will be approximately 5 minutes, with a cruising altitude of 3,500 feet. Meal service will be whatever you bought at the terminal, and don't expect any drinks..."
@RobinHood70
4 жыл бұрын
I actually had a captain say something similar to that a long time ago. It was a 6-minute flight from Campbell River to Comox, I believe, and he came on the mic saying something like "Our expected flight time today is six minutes, and our cruising altitude is...well...we won't actually have one because we're taking off and then we're landing. Heck, we're not even going to break cloud cover!" I don't remember what else he said, but it was a hilarious few minutes, at any rate.
@ReinSouls
4 жыл бұрын
@@RobinHood70 I've had something similar happen. I was flying from my local airport to Chicago, but my flight got canceled (forget why this was 10 years ago), so they rerouted us to their nearby hub airport for a connector to Chicago which was like a 30min flight from my home airport. Pilot came on and said "we know none of you are actually doing this flight to Washington to go to Washington, so I hope you all make your connectors and have a great trip to where you're going!" That drew a nice laugh from everyone.
@lurkingknight
4 жыл бұрын
@@RobinHood70 shortest flight I ever took was vancouver to victoria... it's not even a hop. yvr -> yyj
@anbooba
4 жыл бұрын
I used to fly regularly with United from Washington Dullas to Johnstown PA, the flight stops in Altoona, so Altoona to Johnstown is a max of 9 minutes but many time it was 7 minutes, no drinks. No announcement and no passengers sometime :) ( Fleecing of America, it is government subsidized) oh they did retract the wheels.
@loonylovesgood
4 жыл бұрын
Lmao, this comment made me spit water. Thumbs up for you.
@nightrider9060
4 жыл бұрын
I love it . A pilot who knows the regs . Dont waste my time , I am requesting VFR .👍🤝
@kylenakamura4353
3 жыл бұрын
Could a regular airliner (737, 747, A380, etc) fly VFR? Or is it specifically allowed in this case because the Endeavor is a relatively small plane?
@kaheab8880
3 жыл бұрын
Kyle Nakamura VFR has higher weather minimums. Most airline route lengths would make it inefficient to fly and dodge IMC. Airlines also fly in class A airspace which requires an IFR flight plan so unless they’re flying below the class A they’ll need an IFR flight plan anyways.
@kaheab8880
3 жыл бұрын
Kyle Nakamura theoretically if you had the money to rent one of those planes and also had all the applicable type ratings or endorsements, then yeah you could fly VFR in them. Most pilots get their instrument rating before their multi rating though, so it’s not as big of a factor. It’s more about the $$$ lol
@chrislequang3924
3 жыл бұрын
@@kylenakamura4353 I believe that if you have passengers as an airline, you have to fly IFR. Here, it's was just repositioning, so no passengers. Hence, they were able to fly VFR.
@dufonrafal
3 жыл бұрын
@@kylenakamura4353 it's allowed because it's a repo flight = no passengers
@slick9892
3 жыл бұрын
About 40 years ago, I once really confused a controller, by asking to fly from one side of CLE to the other. It was a very long taxi, and the taxiway used to be a runway, so we thought why drive there when we can fly? The controller had nothing going on at the time, and reluctantly approved it. Flight time 1 minute, at 50’ agl.
@dufonrafal
3 жыл бұрын
love it
@trut52
3 жыл бұрын
You're a cool dude
@jamessanders145
3 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see that.
@h8GW
Жыл бұрын
Your landing and takeoff rolls must've been very short.
@TheGreatBillyMays
4 жыл бұрын
EDV5578: Can we just go VFR to LGA? Every other pilot: NOOOOOO!
@petervaicels8578
4 жыл бұрын
What's VFR?
@gobarn1877
4 жыл бұрын
@@petervaicels8578 it means visual flight rules and generally big planes fly ifr (instrument flight rules) not vfr. Essentially it just means you need to be able to maintain certain visual minimums. Basically not flying in clouds.
@goldosprey
4 жыл бұрын
@@gobarn1877 Which going from JFK to LGA if its clear there its gonna be clear at LGA. However this is not the easiest airport for VFR cause of where some of the runways are
@Taurineg
4 жыл бұрын
Well if they stand under 18,000 they can
@BobbyGeneric145
4 жыл бұрын
Thats why we don't have a flow.
@Mojoissimo
3 жыл бұрын
I flew into and out of JFK in a tiny little plane VFR (Piper Arrow). All the local pilots told me it wasn't allowed, but JFK operates under the same rules as everyone else, so I thought it was worth a try! JFK weren't surprised at all - they really liked it, and apologised that they had to charge me a landing fee ($15). Presumably their surprise in this case is due to the aircraft being operated by an airline, but VFR was a smart move in this situation! If I have no flightplan filed, I usually ensure it's not going to be too busy with planned arrivals at the airport, and just suffix the word 'VFR' to my initial call-up at bigger airports (London Gatwick, Orlando International etc) to save them hunting for my flightplan/strip.
@ParadigmUnkn0wn
2 жыл бұрын
I guess this was a long time ago. You can certainly land at JFK, but the fees (as of today) are: Landing - minimum fee: $50 Landing - additional fee between 3PM - 10PM: $100 Departure: $6.95 per 1,000lbs Departure minimum fee: $25 Departure - additional fee between 3PM - 10PM: $100 Parking (up to 8 hours): $45 You're looking at $120 minimum just to the NYC Port Authority, or $320 if you're not an early bird. This is before and handling fees from the FBO, and there is only one FBO, Sheltair. Sheltair's handling fees for a small single engine piston plane start at $50, although if you pump enough of their $9/gallon fuel they might waive that for you. Technically any certificated aircraft can land at any public use airport, which does include JFK, LaGuardia, O'Hare, Atlanta, etc. They control GA traffic by making it prohibitively expensive to land there just for fun. Teterboro is the go-to for private planes. It's still not cheap, and your Piper may look a little out of place next to a Boeing Business Jet or a Gulfstream, but it's better than JFK/LGA.
@Mojoissimo
2 жыл бұрын
It was during Storm Sandy (made the landing a little interesting!), and I purposely chose the dead of night, to avoid stressing a busy system. They knew then that the fees were going to be artificially raised in the near future, and were very unhappy about it - for some reason they loved having such a small (and boring!) plane fly in, thought it was a great laugh, and were very encouraging! One of the best things about large US airports is their delight in mixing small/slow aircraft between airliners safely without disruption - they seem to regard it as a mark of being an excellent air traffic controller, rather than as a chore/annoyance!
@afridgetoofar1818
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mojoissimo We used to own a Piper Arrow 200. Solid-ass airplane!
@ptrinch
2 жыл бұрын
Piper November 3454 Lima Follow the British Airways 747 and line up and wait on runway 31L. Caution wake turbulence.
@skippynj1979
2 жыл бұрын
My old airline we could do vfr but it was removed from our manual. We used to do LGA and jfk to PHL vfr a bit.
@------country-boy-------
4 жыл бұрын
that awkward moment when the FAA lets planes fly around New York without paperwork.
@mog882
4 жыл бұрын
country boy I do it all the time in the SFRA, look it up it’s a cool VFR workaround of sorts.
@SavageSalad69
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I would expect 9/11 memories would cause all sorts of paranoia in that area
@Ixions
4 жыл бұрын
Airlines don't let planes fly with more fuel than they need so I imagine this guy was running on wound up rubber bands.
@efari
4 жыл бұрын
@@Ixions well. downtown NYC is closer than LGA tho, so what's your point?
@Ixions
4 жыл бұрын
@@efari Well the first point is for the chuckles. Secondly, the guy flying VFR port to port LGA is less of a threat than the guy with paperwork flying LAX with a full tank of gas. Remember, if you want to fuck with someone visiting NYC point out that terrorists prefer a full tank of gas and show them videos of rats swimming up sewer pipes into toilets.
@davemould4638
2 жыл бұрын
I recall at a regional French airport I was flying a C310 back to UK. There were about 10 pilots, all in smart uniforms, mainly flying small corporate jets filing flight plans at the desk. They were all looking pretty glum - apparently there was a 90 minute + delay for departure. In due course I (in jeans and a T-shirt) handed across my flight plan and was told I could go to the aircraft immediately, no delay. I heard one of the pilots ask why I had no delay while they all had to wait well over an hour. "Because he is VFR" was the reply. Soon I was surrounded by 10 pilots all asking if they could copy my VFR departure route (it was a published route requiring flying a heading to a river, then along the river to a landmark, then to another landmark before clearing the ATZ).
@charleskennedy1712
4 ай бұрын
I was flying a C-172 London to Khartoum last year and had to go to the briefing room in Athens to manually file my flight plan. Because I’d been in the plane ready to start up for the flight to Crete, I was in my life jacket. Was so funny walking past many Aegean Airlines crews all wearing sunglasses indoors etc. They definitely noticed. Wearing a life jacket in front of a load of airline pilots is a good flex
@canofanger
4 жыл бұрын
Usually a repositioning flight under VFR would be done with the aircraft registration, not an airline callsign. Could be one of the reasons for the confusion.
@scottycatman
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is the second time I've watched this and just thought about this. I think he could go by callsign if he made a VFR flight plan, but we know he didn't.
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
4 жыл бұрын
I'd've said "Endeavor N123AB"
@benjammin2020
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but the pilot was probably still in the mindset, since he did file a flight plan.
@N1120A
4 жыл бұрын
You can use a callsign on a VFR flight plan.
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
4 жыл бұрын
@@N1120A Does it need to be a company callsign or is "Harambé 5" legal?
@decline2state
4 жыл бұрын
If only Kennedy Steve had been the one to deal with this.
@joshuam20
4 жыл бұрын
decline2state Oh fuck yeah that would’ve been hilarious.
@Trek001
4 жыл бұрын
@@joshuam20 "5578, roger... Taxi via Bravo and hold short of November - give way to the school bus carrying children on the way back from the museum on your left. Once clear, proceed down the road and give way to traffic. Actually, can you pick up the LGA tower a round of starbucks as you pass down 3rd?" "Affirm"
@mickemike2148
4 жыл бұрын
@@Trek001 Ha!
@davidmangold1838
2 жыл бұрын
I was flying a re-positioning flight 24 years ago, Jfk-lga in a 727-200. It was straight out and straight in, at 0700 am. Off to on was 7 minutes. I told engineer and copilot, “we’ll raise the landing gear, keep the slats and flaps out, and don’t flip any switches on the f/e panel”. Took off, did after takeoff checklist then before landing checklist, and landed. When at the gate in lga, the engineer and copilots’ brains were still at JFK😳. It was a fun flight, for sure👍🏻
@h8GW
Жыл бұрын
I'd like to become a pilot, and thinking about it, I realized only retracting the gear makes sense as it's solely detrimental to safe flight when in the air.
@jpzv_old
4 жыл бұрын
ATC: are you in VFR? 5578: Yep ATC: Okeeeey... Seems legit
@1bottlejackdaniels
4 жыл бұрын
Teterboro = "what's going on there?!"
@drabberjewel7108
4 жыл бұрын
When your flight sim flight is real life.
@philipmcniel4908
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I watched specifically because this is the sort of thing I'd do on VATSIM :)
@jmullentech
4 жыл бұрын
@@philipmcniel4908 lmao I literally had that exact thought
@DorianTMChannel
4 жыл бұрын
On FSX offline I always accidentally hit the cancel ifr button on the atc window and I am like "NOOOOO" I refuse to do VFR in a 737.
@noah9130
4 жыл бұрын
DorianTM Why don't you use vatsim ?
@DorianTMChannel
4 жыл бұрын
@@noah9130 not experienced enough
@sarahrichards1281
2 жыл бұрын
I love how the controller just short circuits at the idea of an airliner just flying VFR to a neighboring airport, like it was a GA flight.
@MusabJilani
4 жыл бұрын
This is hilarious! Minor subtitle correction: 1:51 is "it looks like they're actually gonna let you do this"
@JJM2222
4 жыл бұрын
Comment correction: "This is hilarious!"
@patchoulicolt7093
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I didn't catch it.
@MusabJilani
4 жыл бұрын
Jaime Mierow Haha thanks, damn autocorrect
@thedoctorroth
4 жыл бұрын
@@MusabJilani damn it. You edited your comment and i spent 5 minutes trying to figure out where it was wrong lol
@anthonyvallillo422
4 жыл бұрын
This sort of thing was once more common - back in the 70’s and even in the early 2000’s at AA we had them weekly. The actual flight took around 20-30 minutes off to on, but I once flew a 727 from LGA to JFK in under 4 minutes. Took off on 22 and landed 13L at JFK. Maybe a record in a transport category airplane. Takeoffs on 22 at LGA required Chief Pilot approval back then at AA due to noise over Queens.
@nutsbutdum
4 жыл бұрын
Pilot: Gear up! Computer: Minimum!
@Cissy2cute
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe they should have just driven the plane there via Grand Central Parkway. 😄
@henryweber393
4 жыл бұрын
Jacky Robertson pkwy is faster😂😂
@Cissy2cute
4 жыл бұрын
@@henryweber393 Haven't been out that way for a while. LOL
@AMStationEngineer
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but make that 'second exit mistake', and wind up on the Van Wyck headed for the Midtown Tunnel....
@drmayeda1930
4 жыл бұрын
Cops wouldn't like the idea of a plane on the street. The wingspan us too big and would take out anything it hits, signs, traffic signals utility poles.
@ultfrisbeeplyr
4 жыл бұрын
What about the Van Wyck? They say no one's ever beaten the Van Wyck
@jr13227
4 жыл бұрын
I love that I just heard an airliner get cleared into class bravo airspace
@DaveDepilot-KFRG
3 жыл бұрын
It would have been better if he was told "Stay clear of the Bravo". LOL
@stanman4598
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve flown this same type of repo flight in an MD88. Lots of fun and quick in VFR conditions filed IFR. No pax. Great city tour!
@sludge4125
3 жыл бұрын
The Angry Puppy.
@NightingaleSunset
4 жыл бұрын
My dad was one of 8 people on a 747 20 years ago that flew from Oakland to San Francisco. Said it was one of the *best* commercial flights of his life
@jdanon203
4 жыл бұрын
On Full House Stephanie and Michelle once thought they were going from San Francisco to Oakland, but were really going to Auckland.
@SodaAnt7
2 жыл бұрын
I was once on a flight from Oakland to San Jose.
@Dan007UT
4 жыл бұрын
"Tower- I can identify has a Cessna 182 if that will make this VFR trip easier for you to comprehend"
@acfixerdude
4 жыл бұрын
Don't assume my make & model!
@CODMarioWarfare
4 жыл бұрын
one joke
@nightrider9060
4 жыл бұрын
A Cessna 182 out of JFK ?
@vividthespis
4 жыл бұрын
I laughed harder at this than I should have. Nice one.
@Shit_I_Missed.
3 жыл бұрын
Biggest damn Cessna I've ever seen!
@metropod
4 жыл бұрын
Heading... left onto the access road, right onto Lefferts Blvd, left onto Queens Blvd, right onto Junction Blvd and maintain to LGA.
@Mostlyharmless1985
3 жыл бұрын
If it's stupid and it works... I just love the lightbulb moment as she was taxiing them "Can we just, you know, go there?"
@aaronharvey6992
4 жыл бұрын
I used to dispatch a Kalitta Air B747 KEWR - KJFK nearly every day in the early 2000s.
@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un
3 жыл бұрын
It's much easier when you only have one airport to operate in your city
@bend1119
3 жыл бұрын
looser
@Justin.Franks
4 жыл бұрын
3:30 That would have been a weird experience for anyone out on the northern end of Sandy Hook, NJ. Small GA aircraft are commonly seen there at low altitude, but definitely not any airliners.
@ghosttoast7
4 жыл бұрын
I live about 9 miles from LGA right under the approach for runway 22. TBH I was really confused the first time I saw a plane flying at 2k feet only to see it was flying to JFK
@Elgatovolar
4 жыл бұрын
“Endeavor 5578, Keep Clear of the KLGA Class D Airspace” Uh Oh!
@N1120A
4 жыл бұрын
LGA is class B
@AndyMoserCH
4 жыл бұрын
lessons learned: if no flight plan is filed, just vfr around 🤪
@DannyBeeVegas
4 жыл бұрын
Usually those flights are done later in the evening and it's always interesting when it's the other way around since the flight might be routed out toward Eastern Long Island to enter the landing pattern. Its not uncommon for a flight to be repositioned from/ to the NYC airports, some repositions into EWR heads as far south as PHL. These repositions can take up to an hour if they have to enter the pattern far away (50-80 miles or more). You might even see HPN to JFK or vice versa with JetBlue flights.
@sionehefa3458
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you all for the explanation of a Repo Flight. First time I have heard of this. I was thinking maybe it was a repossessed plane like a repo man just gets in and gets the hell out of there :) No IFR Flight Plan ok I'll go VFR!
@uruiamnot
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah... It's a good thing that the keys to the airplane are kept locked in a safe. Otherwise, repo guys would take them and fly them to the repo yard!
@toldt
4 жыл бұрын
You can't believe what you see on TV. That's not how repossessions work for aircraft.
@GabrielCox
4 жыл бұрын
Another caveat to why this is unusual (but ok): Normally, all jet and turboprop aircraft fly above 18,000 ft, which is class A airspace and is IFR only (and must be flown under IFR flight plan). However, since this plane is basically going across town, 3000ft is about right for that to immediately setup for a visual approach into LGA. As others have said/joked, it barely (and possibly not) even make sense to raise the landing gear. So, on a clear day, why not VFR? They're still under radar service traffic separation in class B. They're just not used to seeing scheduled carriers (or probably other aircraft for that matter) flying VFR out of JFK. A smaller class C/D airport gets much more mixed (IFR/VFR) traffic.
@theguy0000
4 жыл бұрын
I bet flying an airliner vfr is a rare bit of fun
@americanswan
4 жыл бұрын
Notice how they vectored the plane like it was IFR. If the flight was longer they could have flown around a bit for fun before landing. LOL
@jaybrooks1098
4 жыл бұрын
Vfr for a large airframe in jfk LaGuardia must be just so insane it just doesn’t happen.
@RainbowManification
4 жыл бұрын
@@americanswan In class bravo you follow vectors from ATC
@jonashelmke2564
3 жыл бұрын
@@jaybrooks1098 A CRJ-200 is very hardly a "large airframe" though.
@tyga3966
3 жыл бұрын
@@americanswan You'll always be vectored in Class Bravo whether VFR or IFR unless they tell you to follow a VFR transition. This was essentially IFR but without the paperwork
@jeffstewart7639
4 жыл бұрын
When I was in the Navy, I took a flight that went from Norfolk with a stop at Newport News Airport.
@TheRaggiesoft
3 жыл бұрын
(I live in Norfolk now) that was what? 1 minute from ORF to PHF? 🤣
@MrEbug68
4 жыл бұрын
Back in the 90s when I worked at United they had a LAX To San Diego flight that was a 757 that was a scheduled reposition flight and it always had like 15 people on it.
@kewkabe
4 жыл бұрын
There was also a regular ONT-LAX flight but I forgot the airline.
@MrEbug68
4 жыл бұрын
kewkabe I know Skywest flew that route and i took that flight once when I was coming home to Fresno.
@chesleyhu624
4 жыл бұрын
They clearly forgot that readback "chear into class B"
@synclpz
3 жыл бұрын
This makes me smile even while repeated watching through several months
@TheRailfanningBirdwatcher
4 жыл бұрын
I've seen LGA-JFK or JFK-LGA flights sometimes, and yes just for repositioning for other flights. I remember I was so confused when I saw a LGA to JFK flight for the first time :)
@djcatron11
3 жыл бұрын
The closet thing I've experienced was from Anchorage to Fairbanks Alaska. About a 40 minute flight. They climb and once the plane reaches cruising altitude they immediately start their decent.
@lucadreier22
2 жыл бұрын
Flying ZRH to AMS sure does feel that way as well.
@RippyLol
2 жыл бұрын
I used to think of such a short flight when I was small
@crooked-halo
4 жыл бұрын
Surprising...Many companies won’t allow VFR flight, at least where there’s ATC.
@Tmeek2
4 жыл бұрын
Since they were just repositioning the plane without passengers it’s probably allowed
@prorobo
4 жыл бұрын
Most companies allow it so we can cancel IFR late at night going into uncontrolled fields.
@davisflyer
3 жыл бұрын
Lol, back in the mid 90's we (USAir Express) used to depart VFR from LGA to IAD all the time to avoid the line up. Intersection departure VFR at 1500 to the Hudson and then pick up our IFR. Worked a lot of the time!
@nannite
4 жыл бұрын
The weirdest flight Ive seen so far (on my flight radar app) is Oakland to SJC, which are 40 miles apart. It was a fedex flight. But its flight path looked similar to this one (3 sided square), it first had to go straight west before turning south.
@Alanc419
Жыл бұрын
Prior to 9/11 there were VFR revenue flights as well. On regional routes, Allegheny, Piedmont, Eagle and Atlantic Coast Airlines would cancel IFR if the weather was VFR from time to time.
@barrel6468
3 жыл бұрын
“Positive rate, flaps 30 degrees.”
@philipwhiuk
4 ай бұрын
Gotta nail that landing - if you do a go-around you're doubling the flight time!
@dwarftoad
4 жыл бұрын
would have been easier to just taxi up the van wyck
@gac4885
4 жыл бұрын
or just shove all the passengers into a bus from LGA to JFK
@DylanHK
4 жыл бұрын
GAC not a passenger flight, it’s for repo
@JulieanGalak
4 жыл бұрын
Van Wyck is never easier than anything.
@jdanon203
4 жыл бұрын
They say no one's ever beaten the Van Wyck.
@o0julek0o
8 ай бұрын
I did this irl, but with uber eats instead of a plane. We lived across the street from a KFC. I mean IN FRONT OF OUR APARTMENT BUILDING. But we got some crazy discount from uber eats for KFC, so we ordered. The walk from inside of the KFC was about the same as to the carpark where the uber had his moped. It took 25 minutes to arrive because the poor fella was so confused.
@vancouver4sure
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome pilot... gets some nonsense and throws out the hail Mary plan! Brilliant!!
@charlestonyank2067
4 жыл бұрын
Strange things always happen in the NYC airports. I flew to Charlotte from JFK one morning as the only passenger. Seems that fog the night before caused two aircraft to JFK instead of one of them to LGA. So they need both in Charlotte, so I flew by myself in the cabin. The other passenger flew on the other plane.
@kblueleaf
3 жыл бұрын
There are some familiar flights in Taiwan They flight from Taoyuan Airport to Songshan Airport The distance between these two airports is only 35km(about 22miles) And the flights are [routine flights]
@jaymiluvsyou
4 жыл бұрын
The funnier part is knowing exactly what pilots those were cuz you’ve worked with them before and knowing how hard they were laughing off the radio at how crazy the whole thing is.
@dstblj5222
4 жыл бұрын
2 things, did they have to carpet dance after this and is it Endeavor put out a memo over this incident?
@JJay512
3 жыл бұрын
@@dstblj5222 what incident? It’s just a VFR departure out of JFK. 🤷♂️
@dstblj5222
3 жыл бұрын
@@JJay512 endeavor put out a memo regarding an incident of unprofessional flight deck conduct shortly after that time
@ThisGuyDoesntExist
4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Steam Edition
@thomasaltruda1243
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve gone VFR to LGA in a Cessna Caravan. I attempted IFR, but the expected wheels up time was over an hour.. so I just went VFR.
@jakejacobs7584
3 жыл бұрын
It actually used to be quite common. I was flying for Commuter Airlines, not making the name up, and during the PATCO strike in 1981. We did that all the time, in fact New York Air used to fly between NY and Boston and Washington VFR low level when able. These controllers probably weren't even born then tho.
@garethtan7053
Жыл бұрын
You know you flight is confusing when the supervisor comes over to make sure it really exists
@AnthonyRBlacker
4 жыл бұрын
Controller: Are you guys VFR????????? Pilot: Is it really THAT hard to understand???????
@boringperson-zb8vy
4 жыл бұрын
I think it's more disbelief than misinterpretation
@s2sultania
4 жыл бұрын
What is vfr?
@michaelslee4336
4 жыл бұрын
Shubham Sultania VFR Visual flight rules. Being able to fly a plane by seeing the outside world versus IFR instrument flight rules, fly a plane in the dark for example by using cockpit instruments.
@chester8420
4 жыл бұрын
@@s2sultania VFR is an abbreviation that stands for "visual flight rules". It is one of the 2 forms of navigation used by aircraft. The other is IFR or "instrument flight rules". During IFR flight, navigation of the aircraft and separation from other planes are directed by people on the ground using radar and other devices. Pitch, roll, yaw, altitude, and direction control may be performed using only the aircraft's onboard instruments. (Hence "instrument" flight rules) The pilot is usually "vectored" along a pre determined path. During VFR flight, the aircrafts navigation is at pilots discretion,(within a set of rules) and physical separation between other aircraft is the pilots duty using see-and-avoid out the window. There are exceptions, such as entering controlled airspace around a busy airport. That requires prior permission, (even for VFR pilots) and pilots are required to follow that controller's directions while in controlled airspace. Most larger aircraft fly faster and or higher than would be safe or legal under VFR rules. Also airlines may have policies that require all flights with passengers fly IFR even if it is a pretty day. Another huge consideration is the sequencing of aircraft into and out of busy airports. If a bunch of VFR airliners arrived unexpectedly all at once, the local controllers would be overwhelmed, so they sequence them. There are times when VFR flight is illegal. Flight above 18,000ft is restricted to IFR under most circumstances. Other conditions such as foggy weather, or flying into clouds, or flying in any situation that obscures your view are illegal because the pilot has to maintain visual separation with other aircraft, and cell phone antennas etc using "see and avoid". It was atypical for the airline pilot in this flight to be VFR. That was the source of the controllers' confusion.
@piotrkuler2474
4 жыл бұрын
That could be confusing
@jackp2323
2 жыл бұрын
The most fun flight I ever had was from Myrtle Beach, SC to Wilmington, NC. Their flight from Charlotte, NC was cancelled to MYR. We had enough room on our plane from CLT to ILM so we took the passengers to MYR first. We dropped them off and then went onto ILM...probably 60 miles as the crow flies. I'm not very aeronautical but our altitude was very low and you could really tell our speed over ground. I knew all the landmarks we were passing and as soon as we were up, we were coming back down.
@raptorz2249
4 жыл бұрын
Lmao these controllers act like they’ve never had a VFR aircraft in their lives
@MrCoolguy425
4 жыл бұрын
Raptorz it’s likely due to the company tag on the aircraft call sign. Usually company aircraft don’t fly VFR lol
@johnmiller5679
6 ай бұрын
Notice how they went south a little bit before then went north to LaGuardia. Probably too close to go up and down.
@briancooney9952
4 жыл бұрын
"We'd take taxiway Charlie, but it's a couple miles short" would've been a good one
@JonathanSchwab2002
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. This is an interesting special exception in the JFK, LGA airspace. Seems funny that VFR is not allowed very often!!
@fanta12345
4 жыл бұрын
There are dozens of VFR flights there every day. Just not by airliners.
@saxmanb777
4 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for when I can repo from SEA to BFI. My company likes to do that a lot.
@Jetmech145
4 жыл бұрын
I think she had a stroke when he asked for the vfr!🤣
@Runehorn
4 жыл бұрын
It blows my mind that here we are in 2020 and communication background interference is still terrible.
@SmokeyBCN
4 жыл бұрын
The quality received by crew and atc is far better than what we are hearing.
@shayperkins9630
4 жыл бұрын
its compressed audio that was recorded and compressed for legal reasons
@T3hderk87
4 жыл бұрын
It's called trunked communications, same reason police traffic sounds so bad.
@dasy2k1
4 жыл бұрын
It's also fairly narrow band AM as all ATC is (and has been for years) which has never been the best for quality
@DeltaFoxtrotWhiskey3
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like it would have caused less confusion and been less hassle to load the plane onto a truck a drive it across town :P
@shantanu925
4 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the roads of new York ? 😂
@DeltaFoxtrotWhiskey3
4 жыл бұрын
Yes I have. I go up there often. I stand by my statement hahaha
@k1mgy
4 жыл бұрын
"I don't think we've ever seen this". Not a confidence-inspiring comment related to a simple VFR flight, is it?
@thegardenofeatin5965
4 жыл бұрын
Well, it's JFK and LaGuardia.
@GregoryVeizades
4 жыл бұрын
It's the fact it's a big jet flying VFR in Manhatten airspace. Probably pretty rare.
@lolbots
4 жыл бұрын
yeah pretty stupid
@jonashelmke2564
3 жыл бұрын
@@GregoryVeizades Not a big jet. A jet, yeah, not a big one. One of the smallest actually.
@FallHuntsman
5 ай бұрын
Probably the only flight where you wouldn’t bother to retract the gear.
@piotrkuler2474
4 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine this in European operations . Actually i'm sure that many airlines forbid vfr in their OMA ...
@shaunharris8673
2 жыл бұрын
It’s all fun and games until the aircraft had an AIRPROX, then realised they were responsible for their own separation under VFR
@AADFWspotters2
4 жыл бұрын
Haha, she was like "say again" this airliner wants to go VFR? I wish more flights would be VFR, would save a lot of headache....
@josephdale69
4 жыл бұрын
AADFWspotters They would still need some sort of clearance because they would be in class B the entire time. And in constant radio contact because of the large number of departures and arrivals between the 2 airports.
@josephdale69
4 жыл бұрын
But I do know what you mean.
@afcgeo882
4 жыл бұрын
VFR in a Cessna is easy. VFR in a jet, over NYC is dangerous.
@AADFWspotters2
4 жыл бұрын
@@afcgeo882 dangerous is a bit of an overstatement.
@afcgeo882
4 жыл бұрын
AADFWspotters2 Oh? So we’ll just dismiss fairly regular fatal accidents that happen here with VFR fliers? The helo and GA traffic take up the lower altitudes, with the hudson corridor being uncontrolled. They fly at low speeds. The multiple airport approaches and departures slot just above that. Above them are numerous northeast corridor flights that are plowing non-stop. Then we add restricted air space and a plethora of high rise buildings. At 200mph+ this all becomes obstacles to aviation. There’s a very good reason why no one flies VFR out of LGA or JFK. Even Cessnas do IFR here.
@nottiification
3 жыл бұрын
JFK ATC is like... What is this "VFR" thing of which you speak?
@niekbeentjes8849
4 жыл бұрын
JFK ATC advising to refile the flightplan XD It's a 5 min flight!
@josh_jc_cheng
4 жыл бұрын
He would have landed with VFR before he gets his IFR clearance LMFAO
@rapidrabbit11485
3 жыл бұрын
In the movie Flight, the flight attendants crack a joke "Know how you get out of JFK on time? Fly to La Guardia." Welp, here's the real life example of that joke. Looks like everyone doing ATC got the joke too, because they are all laughing.
@MusicmatchJukebox
3 жыл бұрын
Back when I was a flight attendant I was part of a crew that repo’d a flight from LAX to SNA. Easiest flight I ever worked!
@Lukania
4 жыл бұрын
For errata, she said "[...] it looks like they're gonna actually let you do this".
@SGTSnakeUSMC
3 жыл бұрын
Just tell them you are a Cessna 182, we do VFR all the time.
@toldt
4 жыл бұрын
5578: We'd like to fly the Hudson River Corridor while we're VFR. Approach: Ugh, OK I guess. Descend VFR, passing through one thousand three hundred, frequency change approved. Contact approach on 127.95 at the George Washington Bridge for LGA.
@BobbyGeneric145
4 жыл бұрын
No way in hell I would do this! I've done this repo flight in the 900 many times and it is chaos the whole way.
@scottbutterworth2887
4 жыл бұрын
thefactorypilot145 Why? It is still in a radar environment. You are still being vectored. The only difference is VFR altitude and cloud clearances. If it was a nice VFR day, then why not? Everyone knew they were coming...
@narendranbhaskar
4 жыл бұрын
I thought cloud clearances were to do with instrument rating of the pilot and not the type of flight. Can you fly "VFR" into a cloud and ask for flight following ?
@scottbutterworth2887
4 жыл бұрын
@@narendranbhaskar Absolutely not! VFR has nothing to do with pilot rating except that only a pilot with an instrument rating can file an IFR flight plan.
@scottbutterworth2887
4 жыл бұрын
@@narendranbhaskar Flight following is only a VFR clearance. You are still responsible for cloud clearances while getting flight following. This flight was being radar vectored in a radar environment on a VFR flight plan. They were not receiving flight following in a non-radar environment.
@essel23fly
4 жыл бұрын
Scott Butterworth why? Because nobody knows what you’re doing in a very busy airspace. I did a repo once between two busy airports close to each other like this under VFR and it was a disaster. I wasn’t the CA tho. Never doing that again. Always file IFR because chances are all the controllers will not be on the same page as far as your flight number and you’ll get a lot of confused controllers. Last thing you want is confused controllers in a busy airspace with southwest planes and Cessnas trying to run into you.
@Anrboy
4 жыл бұрын
The pilot must be fairly new. I know multiple Captains at airliners that are totally aloof to VFR operations. One guy I know referred to our local class C as the terminal control area and was shocked when I told him Bravo and Charlie airspace operate differently for VFRs.
@iflycentral
4 жыл бұрын
VFR... LIKE A BOSS! :P Must have been quite the shock for ATC.
@Vass22
3 жыл бұрын
World have been really confusing of they had an evening problem and had to run checklists for 30 mins, while being visual.
@WendyKS93
4 жыл бұрын
LMAO!!!!! For some reason I'm finding this hilarious.
@chaoszombie9995
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what Kennedy Steve would have said in this situation
@VisualApproach
4 жыл бұрын
Ah, the JFK controllers never stop talking in a passive aggressive manner do they?
@TheJttv
4 жыл бұрын
The eastern corridor is some the busiest airspace in the world. They always stressed. Plus they have 9/11 looming over them at every moment.
@N1120A
4 жыл бұрын
They New Yorkers. It is their standard language.
@stefanwilliams9626
4 жыл бұрын
We are new yorkers
@justanotheraviator2357
4 жыл бұрын
It's called a northeasterner's accent
@timnell9423
4 жыл бұрын
Just Another Aviator there are accents, but also tones. The first controller definitely had an annoyed tone at one point.
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