No *visual* imagination, we can still imagine stuff.
@karasuclips693
Жыл бұрын
How does that work, explain
@ThatGuyYouSeeCommentingOnClips
Жыл бұрын
@@karasuclips693 You imagine stuff in a non-visual way, just ideas and concepts, not things you look at. I can think up ideas for a story and a character, I just can't picture that character in my head.
@Gulyus
Жыл бұрын
@@karasuclips693 When you imagine an apple, you can see the apple. When I imagine an apple I barely see an outline - if I focus. I have a voice in the back of my head that I use to "imagine" things. Some people with aphantasia, instead of *seeing* things, have written text there instead. Others see slides. Each person has a different imagination, even those with aphantasia. Basically, its not actually about seeing things in your head, its actually about recording sensory data, about being able to recall those sensations. I can't see something unless it is there. I can't feel something unless I am there / touching it. I can't taste something unless it is on my tongue. Can only smell something if it is in the air. I can still think, though. Just have a different experience when doing so. I think I'm a 4 or 4.5 out of five on the scale though, so I'm a little different from others with it.
@96tax
11 ай бұрын
would be like how blind people imagine stuff?
@floofzykitty5072
11 ай бұрын
@@karasuclips693How do you think blind people use their imagination lol
@lollypopalopicus-jm6co
11 ай бұрын
I like how Elira keeps saying "some people can imagine", when at least 96% of the population dont have Aphantasia
@kasiditwang1358
11 ай бұрын
i have Hyperphantasia, which is opposite of Aphantasia. i kinda hate it, i can imagine everything in my brain which make me zone out a lot, btw i also can rewatch entirety of the movie in my brain if i remember it
@snekeater980
11 ай бұрын
So thats what its called yeah same like when i try to remember a novel ive read i remember the scene i imagined not the words
@kasiditwang1358
11 ай бұрын
@@snekeater980 bud🤝
@dth_w4v3s
11 ай бұрын
Ayo so that's what that is? Guess I have it too...
@RangeAquarius
11 ай бұрын
@@snekeater980 eyy same
@FlotationDevice101
11 ай бұрын
I can visualize it in 3d, realize it into reality, feel it, and interact with it, but weirdly enough, I can only visualize like 10% of it if I close my eyes. Anyone like this too?
@Skyver24
Жыл бұрын
Head may be empty, but her chest is full 🙏
@OgretailFood
11 ай бұрын
I'm glad that Elira's aphantasia clips exists because this actually explains a lot about my childhood/school life, not saying that I have Aphantasia (haven't done any tests yet, unsure if it's possible to get a professional test) but still explains a lot.
@stargayzer-piyo
10 ай бұрын
aphantasia isn't researched enough for there to be any sort of professional tests or diagnoses. it was only recently discovered. if you have poor visual imagination then you have aphantasia
@blairbird8022
11 ай бұрын
Based off this sample size, 25% of NijiEN have Aphantasia.
@orbitalvagabond
11 ай бұрын
Interesting, I could start thinking of possible mechanisms as to why.
@infamouse9263
9 ай бұрын
@@orbitalvagabondall right I’ll bite why do you think that 25% have it
@jeffreyling514
9 ай бұрын
@@infamouse92632 out of 8 people in the call have aphantasia
@presh.
11 ай бұрын
tbh elira helped me discover i probably have aphantasia too !lmaooo it’s so hard to determine what level i am bc i don’t know what “normal” is to other ppl but it made so much sense when elira said she can think of something but can’t visualize it, like if i try to imagine an apple i cant see the image clearly expect for like mild flashes of it but that’s about it. but for some reason i can think about it?? idk it’s weird ahaha
@UCu5gjzXvp21vqXJOFrSiJkBXuw
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. The Aphantasia saga goes onward!
@ElJoeMama
Жыл бұрын
Because of this, i have just found out that im a 3.
@zerrjyo3338
Жыл бұрын
Same
@leleotrx
Жыл бұрын
I think I'm somewhere around 3 and 4 watching this clip, if I really focus I can see a glimpse of it in my head but just barely.
@TobiasStratus
Жыл бұрын
Whenever I imagine one of these tests I also have Free Bird playing internally as I spin the apple, also I already knew for Elira but ‘tis sad that Zali must also bear the head empty cross, at least the roasting was just focused on the bday girl!
@DinodieTonight
Жыл бұрын
I play a low-quality version of funky town with my spinning apples.
@TobiasStratus
Жыл бұрын
@@DinodieTonight you are so real for this, that’d be my second choice
@snekeater980
11 ай бұрын
you just made me imagine of an apple gaining limbs and the limbs are jacked asf and having a brawl out while free bird was playing
@SupriceSupplies
11 ай бұрын
now I'm just visualising an apple that spins so fast it takes off into the sky
@lootria
Жыл бұрын
the best way i found to explain how i imagine things is if you layer an image over something else in some editing program and turn down its opacity until its nearly invisible, and also desaturate it a lot, that would be pretty close to how imagine stuff i feel like thats what 4 represents, with the outline? like i can imagine things, but its not like theyre vivid or anyrhing like people descibe; as if the opacity on that layer is on 100%. i wonder if thats an accurate representation of level 1 and level 4, if i am at level 4 anyway edit: that might be a 3 actually now that i think about it looking at the illustration in the vid
@chronosclaimsall
11 ай бұрын
I think it's the same for me! I was literally just thinking about how it looks (in my mind's eye) like some parts of the image are blurry or faded or almost blotted out like with ink. If I try to focus on any specific details then they become clearer, but only at the expense of the rest of the picture. Like if I imagine someone's face all of their features are kind of faded and if I try to focus on remembering a specific feature -- for instance, let's say lip shape -- then it's like I literally zoom in on that one feature, so it becomes clear but the rest of their face is completely gone and if I try to overlay the detailed mouth onto the faded face then something else goes away (like the ears or nose) until eventually the whole thing fades back to the original, slightly-blurry-but-still-mostly-recognizable picture I started with. I think the best way for me to describe mine would be that it's like I'm looking at the picture without wearing glasses. Everything's blurry but you can basically still tell what it is, and if I squint hard enough certain things might come into focus.
@Kaizoun
11 ай бұрын
When they said "imagine an apple on top of elira's head" i just think of elira's head being replace by a 3d png of a red apple lol
@owitch
11 ай бұрын
Vanta just come and casually said the terminology.
@SkyMina_
11 ай бұрын
I didnt realize i had this , only can imagine the outline of it wtf
@Deadgye
11 ай бұрын
>No imagination Bruh do you think we also can't dream? I'm typically a 5, but I can conjure brain images as if I was dreaming if I'm like deliriously sleepy and my mind is in a certain state. I normally just think in abstracts. When I think of an apple, my brain recalls the concept of an apple. I recall it's typical 3D and 2D shape, but can't actually see them; I recall it's smell, but can't actually smell it; I recall the feel and taste, but can't actually feel or taste it; I start to recall many other memories that are directly or tangentially related to the concept of an apple, as if the associated memories get pulled along for the ride as a less focused web of thoughts I can ignore or traverse. But I guess the better way to explain Aphantasia to people who can conjure brain images is to ask them "What do you mean you can't imagine the smell of colors and/or imagine the taste of musical melodies?"
@oomay1925
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the diagram is so misleading. It's hard to depict what people can "think" of and what they can "see" in their head.
@Gulyus
Жыл бұрын
That is honestly one of the biggest problems with talking about aphantasia, but the people in the call were using it correctly at least. Since it is a self-diagnosis use only, it is impossible to use it medically, but it can help a person a baseline idea to compare too.
@madsounds4014
11 ай бұрын
Oh shit, i think i'm a 4. I was trying really hard but that was the best i could do. I didn't know people can imagine thing extremely detailed, even the texture of it 🤯
@ItsNickster
Жыл бұрын
nobody: elira: I'M A 5
@S0N0MIY4
11 ай бұрын
I would say I am a 2 on this scale. I can rotate objects and see them vividly but textures are a bit hard to envision for me. Another interesting brain thing is the ratio to which people have and don't have an internal monologue. Something I thought everyone had but turns out majority don't! 😭 I wish I could be truly head empty like everyone else 😔
@SethAbercromby
11 ай бұрын
As far as I've heard, the not having an inner monolog thing is a internet myth. Similar with aphantasia it seems the overwhelming majority of people have one to a degree. Not everyone can accurately imagine the voices of others, but that also goes for imagining more complex colors and textures.
@@TheDeanofLean "You're wrong" -Source: Trust me bro
@TheDeanofLean
11 ай бұрын
@SethAbercromby So people who say they don't experience those things are lying for some reason? Also, it's not like you yourself gave any type of source. Where did you even hear it was a myth from in the first place?
@coalwhitton6613
Жыл бұрын
I have an unsettlingly vivid imagination
@Zircaa
Жыл бұрын
another has joined the aphantasia gang :o
@suprgee
11 ай бұрын
i can imagine it, but like visually inside my head, when i close my eyes, NO!
@xuan7855
11 ай бұрын
For me there’s shades of colour except not really, I know apples are red, but when I imagine them I “see” the crunch and the taste and the feeling with an impressionist splash of colour but no solid apple as they exist in the world
@TheCrazyGreenGamer
Жыл бұрын
I’m somewhere between 4&5.
@MainGoldDragon
11 ай бұрын
Isn't there also a different thing regarding this too tho? Like when in a conversation someone says the word apple, do you immediately get the image of an apple in your head or do you have to consciously make the image appear. The people that do get the image are the same people that can't hear people talk about gross stuff (like poop or puke) while they're eating, since they image those things in their heads
@chronosclaimsall
11 ай бұрын
I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm one of those people that has to consciously make an image appear and I still would rather people not talk about that stuff while I eat. Sure I don't see the image of it, but my brain still associates those things with unpleasant tastes/smells/sensations and I don't want it to associate those sensations with eating either. I'd still listen, but I'd rather be done eating or put my food down during the conversation so that my brain doesn't try to make me think my food is starting to smell a little funky or taste a little chunky because it's mixing the idea of "eating" with the idea of "bodily waste".
@MainGoldDragon
11 ай бұрын
@@chronosclaimsall yeah so instead of imagining it, you taste/smell/sensate it. Same thing.
@buhguh-r8g
Жыл бұрын
According to the diagram you showed I'd be a 1, but the image doesn't feel concrete to me and if I stop concentrating on it I can lose it easily, so idk if I really am a 1.
@iris4yuuki
11 ай бұрын
I think i'm a solid one here 'cuz i can easily picture an apple or other things in my mind. This is the first time i hear about aphantasia tho. I always thought that people can easily imagined or pictured something in their mind whenever they want to.
@ButcherParry
11 ай бұрын
So thats why elira wants us to see every angle of them... because otherwise we cant imagine what they look like 🧐
@DelfaTime
11 ай бұрын
when i sleep/dream its like 1-2 but awake when i think its more 2-3 maybe for me its lack of brain power lol
@KuribohTwin
11 ай бұрын
Is anyone here 4 like me? Like I can actually imagine the image that petra asked, but it looks like a see through kind of Apple in Elira's head.😢
@lostcheesecake
11 ай бұрын
Okay but like on Shu's behalf, i saw the same thing 😂 a N64 spinning apple
@darkhell66659
11 ай бұрын
I'd say either I'm a 2 or my brain just has 0 RAM
@communismwithgiggles2515
11 ай бұрын
3:40 Shu trying to beat the nerd allegations
@Ledbottom86
11 ай бұрын
I didnt realize that I don't see it at all. I can imagine the idea of it but not the physical object.
@ON0606
11 ай бұрын
Wait... If someone has Aphantasia, what would their dreams be like? A literal short novel?
@Shadowsetp
11 ай бұрын
I think it depends on the person. Usually I don’t dream (or at least even wake up remembering I’d dreamed at all) but in the times when I do it’s best explained as having sensations. Imagine being in a dark room, no light, but there are things around you people, voices, you can touch and feel things but you can’t see them at all. On the scale I’m a 5. Though when I was younger I was higher up then that (2 most likely) so that could also shape how that is for me.
@Otaku4Sale
11 ай бұрын
No dream. Just sleep and wake up.
@ON0606
11 ай бұрын
@@Shadowsetp interesting 🤔
@VON_WA
11 ай бұрын
Meanwhile i dream almost everytime i sleep, like around 95%. I even can starts dreaming when i'm only half asleep. And no, i dont know how it works or why it happens.
@Disastermere
11 ай бұрын
I've heard it be described as a pc without a monitor. They can process things going on (as much as any other person in their dreams, at least) but they can't see anything
@milesbarnes6777
11 ай бұрын
My dreams can sometimes have a shadow outline of a 2D scene if the dream was vivid, so is that a 3?? Or 4?? But when I’m awake, I’m absolutely a 5. The word is in my head, but an object? Where??
@animowany111
11 ай бұрын
I generally don't have any visual experience in dreams, most of my dreams (at least those I can remember) involve the spatial sense, so I know what is where, and 'see' that way. I've had a handful of dreams and dreamlike states where I have experienced actual visual experiences/hallucinations/etc., and it's absolutely trippy. Like is that what people normally experience? Like when I'm so sleep deprived I'm seeing something that's not in front of me? What!? That seems crazy!
@lenzzek8543
Жыл бұрын
imagine booba
@jackiefenrir8521
11 ай бұрын
thirsty little flower
@gretafreitag2041
11 ай бұрын
I don't even attempt to classify myself in something like this because internal visualization is probably the most subjective thing there is. Feels pretty real to me but it could be trivial to someone else, who knows.
@tomelsewhere227
11 ай бұрын
i can only imagine half an red curcle
@ChromiumPenguin
11 ай бұрын
"There's nothing in here!" So true, so real! 😹
@4sidedshape
11 ай бұрын
i think i just learnt something about myself
@theltlexay
11 ай бұрын
I imagined an apple so good it made me hungry, got straight Pavlov'd
@Shinigami-gk2mr
Жыл бұрын
I’m a 4
@diputston
11 ай бұрын
I can even imagine it jiggleing
@y2mino
11 ай бұрын
for me i think i’m a 2, like i imagine a big red apple totally 2d but if i think about a 3d one i can see it spinning etc so i feel like i’m a 2 but i’m not sure
@zuzoozuzoozu
11 ай бұрын
my brother just saw this and went b o b s : 0
@gonosoi
11 ай бұрын
Yo some people really have a 4k imagination? Like you see color and stuff what it's so weird
@totallyathome
11 ай бұрын
Hmm i didnt know there was a spectrum. I also didnt realise im not a 5 its qeird because i can't actually see it but i can feel the apple with my eyes. Does that make sense?? Hahaha
@phxgamingxd-hatdogedition1157
7 ай бұрын
NijiEn try to figure out who's racist
@stargayzer-piyo
10 ай бұрын
aphantasia gang raise your hand. *raises hand* i'm a 4
@hanbaebummie3215
Жыл бұрын
Does this mean I’m a 1?
@snekeater980
11 ай бұрын
good to know im a 1
@IceLancer115
11 ай бұрын
Play D&D & have a very good Game Master that explains things in detail, It help trains your imaginary brain.
@turtlepope7802
11 ай бұрын
No doubt Aphantasia exists, I don't understand how they go through life without being able to remember the face of a loved one without a picture for example, but I do believe they exist. However, I think there's a lot of semantics at play here. It's really hard to communicate the feeling of the "inner eye", I think when they hear "can you see the apple" a lot of people get the feeling that you're actually meant to hallucinate an apple in your visual field. And though some people are better at conceptualization than others, the power of imagination also fluctuates depending on how well your brain is doing, it takes some amount of effort and you can even practice. If you're a 5 in the chart you may be locked there for actual physical brain reasons (though aphantasia hasn't been scientifically proven to exist, and we don't know the mechanism by which it happens), but if you're a 4 there's nothing stopping you from going to a 1.
@dingusuhum
11 ай бұрын
do you think blind people can't remember their parents' faces either?
@dingusuhum
11 ай бұрын
also as.someone whose experience is at least accurately represented by the concept of aphantasia no I don't think you're supposed to hallucinate an apple. I just don't visualize stuff, I'm not f-ing stupid. mf out here just fully going "well if I don't experience it it clearly isn't real".
@mixfortune
11 ай бұрын
Trying to close your eyes to imagine it kind of factors out the idea that there would be a misconception about hallucinating within a visual field.
@turtlepope7802
11 ай бұрын
@@dingusuhum no, I don't think those born blind are able to remember their parents faces, on account of them being physically unable to perceive faces.
@turtlepope7802
11 ай бұрын
@@dingusuhum you might need to work on your reading comprehension, because I clearly stated that I think it's real, and if you actually have aphantasia there's something missing there. I'm saying that it's a hard condition to study and even diagnose because it's so intrinsically subjective. If you're colorblind, you're prevented from having an experience, but non-colorblind people can't know if they're all perceiving the same colors the same (my red might look like your blue), just that they can see the full spectrum, because language can't communicate what a color looks like. And colorblindness is easily tested, aphantasia is purely self-reported. I have days where I'd say I'm "near-aphantasia", and people look like blurry shapes. I have days where I can render entire movies. Brains are weird.
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