so sad how crappy it is. mario kart 64 online could have been huge (and hugely fun)
@winsleyocampo6383
2 жыл бұрын
agreed
@ModernVintageGamer
2 жыл бұрын
hopefully they listen and it get fixed. thanks for watching my friend
@GenBumbleBee
2 жыл бұрын
why? the newer mario kart is better in ever way.
@jimmy6844
2 жыл бұрын
@@GenBumbleBee Nostalgia is a big factor. It has a certain charm and enjoyment associated if you play MK64 online with buddies you used to sit on the couch with when kids.
@DragonMals
2 жыл бұрын
Here before 1k views. I do wish that they fixed it...
@chiefbigpooh
2 жыл бұрын
Ok i kinda got a bone to pick with you. I’m a senior qa manager and when you say i cant believe this “got through qa”there is a great chance it didn’t. Maybe the business decided not to fix it or it was deemed a minor bug for them not to address at this time. Let’s say the entire team working on this let this go out like that. Anyways that comment just irked me. Could say the devs could’ve coded it right to begin with! Love your videos MVG.
@hirotashi5950
2 жыл бұрын
0.01 nano second of input lag and speedrunners are saying its unplayable
@DrWillz1996
2 жыл бұрын
That fog really needs a fix. Saw Ganondorf floating there just after pulling the master sword when he should have been invisible. It scared me, not gonna lie.
@sammadden5540
2 жыл бұрын
What? That's wild
@DrWillz1996
2 жыл бұрын
@@sammadden5540 It's pretty crazy. I'll link to a ZFG video where you can see kzitem.info/news/bejne/qYGVk4l-kYKdZYo
@reubeb8820
2 жыл бұрын
@@sammadden5540 see I was gonna make a breath of the wild pun, but I changed my mind.
@VinnytotheK
2 жыл бұрын
To think he's been there the whole time... 😧
@DrWillz1996
2 жыл бұрын
@@VinnytotheK He's always watching...
@FlameLFH
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that it took Nintendo four years after the Switch's launch to implement N64 games on top of charging so much extra despite modders doing it first is a disgrace.
@Trimint123
2 жыл бұрын
And the fact that they somehow fucked up the emulation here than what they did with Wii VC is even more insultingly hilarious.
@erickschusterdeoliveira2662
2 жыл бұрын
not only that but Nintendo has been making efforts to destroy the emulation community for years already lol
@chrisfarleyshrek4347
2 жыл бұрын
@@Trimint123 Don't forget Kirby Dreams Collection on Wii and Zelda Collector's Disc and OoT: Master Quest on GameCube.
@webbedshadow2601
2 жыл бұрын
The Switch is 4 Years Old and still loses to the Wii U's Virtual Console which had NES, SNES, N64, GBA, DS and more...it kills me to see Nintendo act like adding N64 and Genesis to NSO makes it worth a price increase!
@FlameLFH
2 жыл бұрын
@been guy You're talking to the wrong person
@d1jal
2 жыл бұрын
Pay an extra $20 for accurate emulation. The super expansion pack
@thatguyalex2835
2 жыл бұрын
Haha. With the Steam Deck, you don't have to pay for anything to emulate N64. Even a Retroid Pocket 2 could play N64 better than the Nintendon't Switch. I do recommend that you already own the ROMs legally though. ;)
@Tricolorrr533
2 жыл бұрын
🤯🤯
@justins2024
2 жыл бұрын
@@thatguyalex2835 yeah but the steamdeck doesnt match everyones likings. Like for me the steam deck looks to big and bulky. I already have a gaming pc, and i love nintendos first party games so much. So to me the Nintendo switch is better than the steam deck. But this is just my opinion, and others are not wrong for theirs
@AponTechy
2 жыл бұрын
Lol 🤣
@thatguyalex2835
2 жыл бұрын
@@justins2024 I 99.9% understand. It is quite bulky "a fatboiiii", but is the first in probably a series of innovations in the 2020s. Maybe by 2023 a thinner Steam Deck would be released? Lol... Totally curious, what are the specs and brand of gaming PC do you own? I am not a gamer at all, but I find emulation and hardware pretty fascinating cos I like science and engineering. :)
@ShortHax
2 жыл бұрын
Well, looks like for many games the expansion pack doesn’t have the expansion pack
@iaqh
2 жыл бұрын
anyone else bite their Switch? I don't like to rage when I'm playing online, so when something really annoying happens and I get pissed, I try not to yell or punch something. Instead, I keep a straight face and I angrily bite into my switch for a few seconds until my anger is released. The best part of this is that Nintendo seems to have built the Switch with this in mind, because the plastic material seems completely resistant to my teeth. Legit, there are never teeth marks even mere minutes after the initial chomp. What I'm wondering is, does anyone else here do the same? Am I the only munching smash player? I hope
@BDBD16
2 жыл бұрын
@@iaqh No one else does that. You are unique little chomp chain.
@Melonposting
2 жыл бұрын
@@iaqh I say this without any sarcasm: no, it’s just you. That’s weird
@ericbazinga
2 жыл бұрын
@@iaqh You a werewolf?
@superdonario9578
2 жыл бұрын
@@iaqh I did it when I was a child. And that's how I broke my Nintendo DSi XL SMB 25th Anniversary Edition's upper screen 🥲
@gengarguy8801
2 жыл бұрын
"Nintendo screwed up legacy content again!" Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
@no.7893
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo news is getting to be a broken record in recent years.
@xXGambleXx
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand why nintendo gatekeeps games from re-releases. Especially the gamecube era of first party games. Sellers on ebay are atrocious thinking people will pay hundreds of dollars for an item they bought at gamestop “used” for less $10-20, with the price tag still on it, with scuffs on the disc and dirt everywhere. But ohhhh its “near mint” “””factory sealed”””” “CIB” HA those sellers are a joke, it only depends on how ridiculous someone is to buy it to influence the market. None of those games should be valued at such a price if they scuffed, even the sealed copies. Just because its not in reproduction doesn’t mean it should cost three months worth of a mortgage if its rated and sealed.
@manguita352
2 жыл бұрын
The africa 60 second meme is unfunny and overused
@enderless6055
2 жыл бұрын
@@manguita352 I agree
@manguita352
2 жыл бұрын
@@enderless6055 is nice to know am not alone to have the same opinión thank you
@gerowen
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo should feel embarrased that they do a worse job emulating their own products than a community of volunteers who had to spend time and effort reverse engineering everything.
@rickgrimes9317
2 жыл бұрын
They better or else I'm genociding the horrible programmers who most likely know what they are doing for greed.
@f10pped36
2 жыл бұрын
@@rickgrimes9317 ngl I'm going to mod a switch with retroarch just in spite of them
@dontbotherluke6270
2 жыл бұрын
Why would they feel embarrassed when they didn’t care to begin with? Consumers have proven time and time again that they’ll pay premium prices for Nintendo to do the bare minimum
@IlIBonesIlI
2 жыл бұрын
@@rickgrimes9317 It's not the Programmers who get final say on what gets funded. If the Execs don't see money in Quality of Life Features, they won't invest in it. Super Mario 64 sold like crazy, and the 6 month purchase window caused it to break some kinda record or other. And look at previous low quality Nintendo Fiascos that also broke records despite Quality. The Switch is one of the best selling consoles ever despite constant hardware issues and the JoyCon Drift Lawsuit they squeaked out of. Animal Crossing's complete lack of content, now with a DLC you can only RENT, and locks you out when your wallet runs dry. Pokémon Sword and Shield being a complete embarassment to all expectations of a pokémon game, yet still selling some 23 million copies and counting. That Mario Kart thing for Mobile that was just a slot machine with fake multiplayer. Nintendo knows they're secure enough as a brand that they could scribble "Nintendo" on a can of Campbell's, and it'd still make mad bank as an official product.
@sandertrumm7302
2 жыл бұрын
@@IlIBonesIlI “with a DLC you can only rent” did you miss the fact that you can just buy the Happy Home Paradise DLC? I can’t speak as to whether or not SwSh/New Horizons/Happy Home Paradise sucks or not but that statement is just incredibly false
@colonelvector
2 жыл бұрын
Once again we come to the to less valve quote: "Piracy is a service problem" If Nintendo can't compete with literal free alternatives then I have no sympathy when people choose those alternatives
@fancypants7610
2 жыл бұрын
you're right, but i also think most people won't even recognise this issues, i don't think is worth their time making a perfect emulstor since only a small percentage of switch owners really care. Meanwhile hardcore fans of nintendo retrogames will probably continue use emulation on pc sinve you care for this things and want this games as best as they can be
@fancypants7610
2 жыл бұрын
@J exactly, but this "pirates" are the minority, it isn't worth their time making a perfect emulation when most of switch owners are casual players that won't notice any differences and have never seen an emulator
@stonalisa3729
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think they believe in the word "free"
@sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo's solution has always been to aggressively attack "alternatives" instead of doing anything themselves.
@George-qm6wi
2 жыл бұрын
@J idk about the pirates but the homebrew community that Nintendo is trying to stop surely does. Few days ago I modded my Nintendo DS to play all of my pokemon games without the need for switching ds cartridges because I discovered the pokemon classic gts server that is accessible by simply changing DNS. The fun thing about it is that finally I was able to get all of the mystery gifts without hacking by just redeeming them on the server so now I'm able to fully enjoy the story with online trading services fully working.
@ScenicFights
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge Nintendo fan and this is incredibly disappointed. I'm hoping they reduce the price and fix these emulators. If Iwata was still around, that's what he would do.
@CMONCMON007
2 жыл бұрын
Miss Satoru Iwata
@webbedshadow2601
2 жыл бұрын
@@blitzwing1 If some guy was able to make Super Mario 64 into a PC port that plays natively, can't Nintendo with ALL of their resources get N64 games playable right on the Switch without emulation, is it not possible or is SM64 just the easiest N64 game to run?
@bernbern309
2 жыл бұрын
@@webbedshadow2601 porting games takes a lot of resources. It took the group years to do Mario 64 cause they had to reverse engineer the code. Emulation is fine when it’s implemented right.
@paulj6805
2 жыл бұрын
People like to put Iwata on a pedestal after his passing... But the truth is that he was the head of Nintendo that brought them down into the Wii and wiiu era where almost every core gamer completely lost respect for them.
@CMONCMON007
2 жыл бұрын
@@paulj6805 I get what you mean but hey at least his Wii virtual console that was around during his era was leaps better than this current-way more expensive- Switch Online emulation
@joshbundy2501
2 жыл бұрын
Me and my buddies have been playing N64 online with Parsec for years and it is always smooth sailing. Pretty crazy that I can stream my entire PC screen at 1080p smoother than the switch emulators can just sync data back and forth.
@damarlboromans
2 жыл бұрын
I did not know about Parsec thank you.
@johnnybyrd300
2 жыл бұрын
1080p? Try 4k, bud.
@alhuno1
2 жыл бұрын
Same. Me and friends are regularly doing Mario Kart 64 parties using Parsec without a single issue.
@Pau27283
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnybyrd300 do you legitimately think 4k is necessary for an N64 game?
@joshbundy2501
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnybyrd300 Lol, my retro game TV is a decade old, but it has 4 HDMI, 3 composite, 1 component, 1 coax, 1 vga, and a partridge in a pear tree. With my modern 4k TV, I was lucky to get 3 hdmi. I bet retro games perfectly integer scale in 4k too. I will have to give that a shot!
@MatSpeedle
2 жыл бұрын
If Nintendo starting working with some of the highly skilled people in the community rather than hitting them with cease and desist and lawsuits all the time they would be far better off when it comes to these sorts of projects. They seem so stuck in the past in the way some of their business practices are conducted and this just futher proves the point. At least Sega gets it, Sonic Mania proves what you can provide your fans when you work with them, instead of against them. This is completely unacceptable and an even bigger slap in the face along with the ludicrous price.
@michaelreddy4697
2 жыл бұрын
I am not defending Nintendo here just stating the legal reasons why they do this . Under American law if Nintendo did not vigorously defend there IP against unsanctioned use they would be at risk of losing it. I personally believe they take it to far when they take down let's play videos and other fan created work that is not a derivative of their code or uses there music.
@MatSpeedle
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelreddy4697 I completely agree with you there sir, they have every right to do it. However they should be making themselves better getting the talent on board rather than just branding the lot of them criminals. I also know Sega are nothing in size compared to Nintendo but they handle it much better and involve the fans. After all 99% of these people love Nintendo, that should be harrnesed to make them ever better :)
@iamlucidess
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelreddy4697 can't have flaws without laws amirite
@nattila7713
2 жыл бұрын
working with :D they will sue them instead!!!!!
@Drovek451
2 жыл бұрын
Assert their IP != C&D everything that moves. Instead of extinguishing all fan efforts (Like AM2R, etc), they could extend them a license to use in not-for-profit cases and all that. Work with top talent to create better things. Instead they spend their time blocking KZitem Let's Plays and killing anything that might have any remote connection to them that's not made by them.
@TimeBucks
2 жыл бұрын
This video is so good.
@MrCumstein
2 жыл бұрын
MVG never seems to disappoint.
@hasteandfury2424
2 жыл бұрын
How?
@clown1629
2 жыл бұрын
This comment is so effortless.
@TeamBabylon-dp2xf
2 жыл бұрын
This video is so bad u mean
@Daniel328DT
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrCumstein It disappointed me. He talks so quietly.
@James-gj8rn
2 жыл бұрын
If Nintendo don’t want us emulating their games, they need to give us a good service and while i do respect that Nintendo gave us a way to officially play these, Project 64 can do a fantastic and much better job on PC so Nintendo need to improve this 😊
@James-gj8rn
2 жыл бұрын
@@Zenik506 yeah so this isn’t acceptable
@SenkaPress
2 жыл бұрын
@@James-gj8rn And when you consider that Nintendo doesn't take it too fine when the ROMs of their games are available online for free, the feeling is even worse. It's OK if they take down the ROMs and whatever. But at least make the effort to make your option (a paid option at that) better than free emulators. This simply is not what the consumers that went ahead from day one deserve.
@graealex
2 жыл бұрын
@@SenkaPress I really don't get that argument. Piracy is fine, if the original vendor doesn't provide a good option for emulation? What keeps you from plugging in an original N64 in your TV and then playing the original games that you actually own?
@James-gj8rn
2 жыл бұрын
@@SenkaPress totally agree 100%
@jaden8923
2 жыл бұрын
@@graealex nintendo probably doesnt sell those anymore. the reseller would get the profit.
@MrCheeze
2 жыл бұрын
The direct comparison between 3D All Stars and NSO is the most intriguing, and frustrating, thing shown here. How is it that they managed to make basically the same emulator worse by two frames with whatever small changes they did in between the two releases?
@beardalaxy
2 жыл бұрын
My guess is that the UI itself adds lag
@nintendo1889x
2 жыл бұрын
The Shindo version of Mario 64 is objectively inferior
@jack_grylls
2 жыл бұрын
@@nintendo1889x Irrelevant
@bruckmike
2 жыл бұрын
Thatsy why i use the switch port of Super Mario 64. It has no noticeable lag. Bit I can't get Donkey Kong 64 to run via homebrew emulation
@VSMOKE1
2 жыл бұрын
@@bruckmike were can I get that version yes my 1st gen switch is hacked and good to go
@lucylu3342
2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, diehard Nintendo fans will tell us that the emulation is in fact good and that we should be thankful that Nintendo offered us n64 games in the first place
@realityvanguard2052
2 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine who would buy this. As a value proposition alone it makes no sense. If you bought original hardware for the superior and 100% authentic experience, the value is only ever going to go UP. Where as this, it's WORTHLESS to anybody but you the very second you pay for it. Money down the drain.
@Talondrone
2 жыл бұрын
You really think a "Diehard Nintendo fan" would accept this hot garbage? Last I knew - people became diehard fans of a company because they expect some level of quality from these companies that outpaces the competition. This? This is not quality - this is below average trash that is not worth the price that Nintendo expects us to pay for. I understand there are outliers who don't care no matter how much people disagree with them, but the general consensus I've heard is: "This is bad, please fix it".
@forestmanzpedia
2 жыл бұрын
Literally a RGB/HDMI modded N64 with an Everdrive is better than this.
@Headshotnoby
2 жыл бұрын
already found one as @Fernando Villasenor
@VVx-777
2 жыл бұрын
The emulation is clearly trying to be as faithful to the originals as possible rather than giving you all the options something like OpenEmu has. Maybe they will add all that kind of thing in the future.
@ari-dynamicarchive
2 жыл бұрын
If they were going for nostalgia they've succeeded, because now I'm nostalgic for going to ROM websites and even places like Yahoo Groups when I was like 19 (I'm 34 now) to snag people's copies of Pokemon Gold and Silver in their Files folder lol.
@inendlesspain4724
2 жыл бұрын
It makes me nostalgic for the days where I emulated N64 games on such a weak PC that most effects were broken. Not to mention that N64 emulation in general wasn't that good back then anyway. Nintendo really outdid themselves this time by recreating such a specific kind of nostalgia, huh?
@jacobg8640
2 жыл бұрын
Especially because now that I'm not 12 anymore, I can figure out how to play with a controller rather than a simple keyboard and mouse. I personally choose playing with joycons to get the most official feeling of playing games I'll likely never see on Switch.
@mitchellm2208
2 жыл бұрын
Looool
@Spaztron64
2 жыл бұрын
@@inendlesspain4724 The graphics emulation here is scarily similar to old versions of the Daedalus video plugin...which was made with then weak systems in mind.
@ari-dynamicarchive
2 жыл бұрын
@@inendlesspain4724 Same, haha. I'm trying to remember if Yahoo Groups had some N64 ROMs people would cram in there, but they'd be in chunks and in parts haha. Like to play Super Mario 64 there'd be like 5 parts you had to get at 10MB a pop or something along those lines. Or going to places like CoolROMs and stuff to find like 30 variants of SM64, lol.
@Melonposting
2 жыл бұрын
At this point I’m convinced that Nintendo lives in its own bubble isolated from the rest of the world, where other consoles and PCs don’t exist, emulators and fan translations never happened, and this is the first time anyone has been able to play Ocarina of Time since 1998.
@NoriakiCuckyoin
2 жыл бұрын
wouldn't be surprised. literal hermits. disgusting.
@jonusaguilar8156
2 жыл бұрын
They kinda do that already, offering different exclusives only in Japan.
@Sickcrazyneet
2 жыл бұрын
Uh, Wii and Wii U vc exist The GameCube collection The disc that had master quest on it with oot on GameCube
@kryzethx
2 жыл бұрын
@@Sickcrazyneet Not to mention the 3DS remake lmao. I actually own all of those versions, except for the Master Quest disc
@Some-guy-on-the-internet
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty accurate actually. Shortly after NSO originaly started, Nintendo was forced to admit during an investors meeting that they have no idea how competing platforms' online services work because the game devs got confused and didn't understand what the investors were talking about when they asked how Nintendo plans to compete with the features found in their competitors' online services. Nintendo basically confirmed then and there that they literally live under a rock and just pretend their competitors don't exist instead of actually trying to compete with them.
@erickalvarez6486
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo: has source code Also Nintendo: yeah, emulate them bro.
@scottmemelord6130
2 жыл бұрын
Nah they probably deleted that shit years ago. Remember one time they downloaded roms from a website because apparently they didn't have those roms themselves? What's archival?
@erickalvarez6486
2 жыл бұрын
@@scottmemelord6130 You might be right but I doubt they re-created Majoras and Ocarina for the 3ds starting from 0.
@jaruizm1
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that fans can reverse engineering the games and port to almost every system with widescreen, HD filters, rumble and all the whistles and bells and Nintendo only can made this soulless product is almost offensive
@Nurse_Xochitl
2 жыл бұрын
@@jaruizm1 not almost offensive, it is offensive. The fact they want to charge so much for a fking downgrade is insane.
@quakezero8968
2 жыл бұрын
@Nurse Xóchitl “basically no improvement” dude it’s literally a downgrade
@KiraSlith
2 жыл бұрын
The amusing part is that it's called "expansion pack" but their half baked emulator dosen't support N64 Expansion Paks.
@jonasmellberg3559
2 жыл бұрын
...I'm an ateist... but jesus...
@retrocysper3709
2 жыл бұрын
@@jonasmellberg3559 So? Does that do anything on this comment?
@ArchTerran
2 жыл бұрын
@@retrocysper3709 the joke is right there, he doesn't believe in jesus but used the word jesus to express shock like some christians do.
@yung_barbone
2 жыл бұрын
autism pack should be called
@retrocysper3709
2 жыл бұрын
@@yung_barbone notspansion pack
@MagicFeather0
2 жыл бұрын
It's a service problem. Nintendo sees emulation as piracy, so they want to do it themselves. This won't cut it. If Netflix was in 720P with a few movies, people simply will keep downloading movies illegally because pirates provide a better service (4K, more content). With NSO, Nintendo wants to earn money from their old games (which is fine), but the amount of games and trash emulation compared to free community made emulators; Nintendo can't beat them, not even close. You pay for something while the competition is available for free, with more content and better emulation. Nintendo should have made a top tier emulator that could beat the competition and add a ton of more games and this would have been awesome. Props to Microsoft for actually improving games from Xbox and Xbox 360 on newer systems with better texture filtering, higher resolution and frame rate. Nintendo should respect their legacy, this won't do it... at all. (ps. I'm not saying that emulators are piracy, I'm just saying how Nintendo sees it)
@Awnos
2 жыл бұрын
I very much doubt Nintendo would ever make Netflix money off of NSO, Netflix is around $15 a month, NSO is a few bucks a month. Unfortunately there's zero incentive for Nintendo to dedicate resources to old games. I'm sure they're just doing it so they can say they've serviced their die hard fans.
@SamSquids
2 жыл бұрын
@@Awnos I have no real reason to by NSO anyway, it's just an inferior version of Xbox Live that they expect you to pay for.
@flameshana9
2 жыл бұрын
Even Microsoft does what Nintendon't.
@Awnos
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamSquids ok, don't buy it then.
@SylverScourge
2 жыл бұрын
@@Awnos they weren't going to Thats the point of what they said-
@solidfrog
2 жыл бұрын
What I love about MVG is that he doesn’t just give a critique but can tell you exactly how they messed up, show them, and offer solutions on what they can do to fix it.
@CobaltAkuma
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that what a critique is?
@patrollingthemojavealmostm2698
2 жыл бұрын
@@CobaltAkuma Nope, this is critique + expansion pack
@bobsnob3073
2 жыл бұрын
@@CobaltAkuma Its constrictive criticism
@jimmybailey7198
2 жыл бұрын
Instead of what most people do: complain whilst offering no solutions or ideas, like "rahhhh this is bad!" Why? "Why what?" Why bad? "It's bad" I know, why "It is bad bad bad" Why? "Bad"
@Balomis
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone else on KZitem just toes the line by saying it "is not perfect" MVG keeps it real by saying flat out it "is not good". Respect!
@PaperBanjo64
2 жыл бұрын
Him and Glenn Plant are the only ones...Game Explain was the worst...they made the original Nintendo 64 look bad claiming well it has as lag as NSO so all's good when they probably used an AV to HDMI upscaler for the Nintendo 64 and not a CRT or a Retrotink.
@a_meme_name
2 жыл бұрын
It's very disappointing that they've delivered worse emulation than they had all the way back on the Wii.
@bricaaron3978
2 жыл бұрын
@@a_meme_name My guess: They want your money, but they don't want the old games to be enjoyable enough that you don't buy and play their latest games...
@fixedfunshow
2 жыл бұрын
@@PaperBanjo64 GameXplain are always kissing Nintendo's ass of course they won't tell you the service is bad
@mariogamefreak1
2 жыл бұрын
Most will usually use the words It has Problems.
@maximiliandelfino4017
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine having access to the entire N64 source code and you mess up an emulator…
@alfredocanas6802
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthias6933 Nintendo should've just hired some of the devs of muppen64 and call it a day.
@iamtheflu
2 жыл бұрын
@@alfredocanas6802 up until now, Nintendo hasn't had this much of a problem with emulation. It's like they accidentally released a beta build.
@TheAbsol7448
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthias6933 The entire N64 source code was leaked a while back, which means they _do_ have it. Ah, wait. You corrected yourself on that already.
@Operational117
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheAbsol7448 The fact that we have *proven* (albeit in a black-hat fashion) that Nintendo has all the source codes from their games and they *still* botch their emulation like this… Either they’re woefully lazy, or they’re nefariously greedy. Or maybe those two go hand-in-hand?
@flameshana9
2 жыл бұрын
How can someone "steal" data? It's infinitely copy able with 100% accuracy. That's like saying someone stole your homework when you can print another copy of it for 5 cents. A business doesn't have the excuse of "We forgot."
@bikkiikun
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, in an age of Software becoming a service to be subcribed to rather than a product to buy, it has become increasingly low quality.
@Cowabungas
2 жыл бұрын
"Is it worth $30 a year" you don't own them, so no. Not at all.
@MeowHoots
2 жыл бұрын
One could say the same about "free" ps plus games. I didnt think the upgrade was worth it but you cant just talk like this is a new thing. Face it paying online for shit services is the norm now for console gamers.
@leaffinite2001
2 жыл бұрын
@@MeowHoots still not worth it, regardless of norms
@MeowHoots
2 жыл бұрын
@@leaffinite2001 I agree with you it that it aint worth it lol I never said it was.
@ChurnButter
2 жыл бұрын
@@MeowHoots and they never said it was a new thing yet you still decided to argue with them like they did.
@TheDevilsGreatestTrick
2 жыл бұрын
@@MeowHoots Bruh, it's been that way for at least the last two decades. Stockholm Syndrome on a digital level.
@blu_aaa
2 жыл бұрын
I've used n64 emulation since I was a little kid, and to see that this official $50 a year emulator from Nintendo works FAR WROSE than 3rd party emulators that have been in development for years is just very disappointing. This shows how far behind Nintendo is, and the price range is showing how disconnected the company is from consumers. I'm not buying this service even if they fixed up the emulator. I think personally since the steam deck has retroarch with an n64 emulator, that I would consider buying that than keep paying Nintendo an annual fee and knowing that they don't give a shit about what consumer think about their services
@oldoldmeme
2 жыл бұрын
Oh dude, don't pay for this service, fair enough if you're paying for the basic NSO membership, that's actually quite a good deal IMO, but 50 quid for... this? Yeah, hold out for that Steam Deck man, much better to make a one time big purchase and actually own something than to make a series of smaller purchases over several years and end up paying like ten times as much.
@iiTzSamurai
2 жыл бұрын
How far back? They literally made this emulator in a week or months time while others had years. Give Nintendo a break, they probably still have the same employees since 1996
@blu_aaa
2 жыл бұрын
@@iiTzSamurai not really, Nintendo made n64 emulators since the GameCube era with the Zelda collections that had oot and majora's mask in them, and even if they did make this within weeks or months before release that's not gonna be good to know bc it showed that Nintendo just rushed this out of that were the case. Not saying they did but this emulator is pretty rough compared to 3rd parties. And what makes you think that Nintendo still has the same employees from 1996? Do you even have evidence of that? Bc Nintendo is a muti-million company and they have many hqs around the world in various regions. And plus it's not the employees who make these discussions anyways, it's always the executive part of the company, the presidents and the ceos. The employees don't have a say on this, they just do what they are told, I'm not blaming the employees for making this, I'm blaming the higher ups for thinking this is worthy for a $50 annual subscription fee
@stonalisa3729
2 жыл бұрын
@@blu_aaa They have no excuse if they can manage an elite team of Nintendo Ninjas. They can do it if they tried. Glad the steam deck is gonna raise competition. I love owning hardware I buy.
@blu_aaa
2 жыл бұрын
@@stonalisa3729 excatly, if they have the energy to constantly take down fan games/mods and romsites then they could have the energy to poor into making a better service. And I think after this the steam deck is def gonna have some competition to the switch bc first, it's more powerful and second, the large variety of games that are playable along with retroarch recently being released on steam. With that, saving for a steam deck is no brainier for me since I always dreamed of playing my favortive retro games like majoras mask and sonic 3 on the go, the switch might have the great exclusives but they can't compare to the quality that is gonna be the soon to be released steam deck
@Slogstin
2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to boot up Majoras Mask on NSO and have it tell me that the N64 Expansion pack is missing.
@command_blockling_400mc9
2 жыл бұрын
You have to buy that for an additional $20/year
@lordpsi99
2 жыл бұрын
Well, at least we know for sure that they are going to fix the emulator in an update since it doesn't have support for Majora's Mask in its current state. Unless they get it running with an individual script or fix added on to just the Expansion Pak games... I hope they fix Ocarina of Time with an update.
@RocketboyX
2 жыл бұрын
They could have avoided most of the controversy if they just released these extra games as part of the regular service. Creating a new tier with a higher cost was a mistake.
@cin2110
2 жыл бұрын
For a %150 mark up no less
@TheNerdypony
2 жыл бұрын
How is it a mistake? People still bought it, me included. Nintendo is going to make money as they should. Sorry you broke bums cannot afford it
@keymash-aimciamciamalk8630
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerdypony it's more the fact the free stuff is better anyways so why would anyone buy it?
@coronaextra667
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerdypony Its not that we cant afford it, its just these games have been free and better quality for years so theres really no reason to pay them.
@izzy_ondomink
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerdypony I don't why you're defending Nintendo, you're just getting ripped off.
@JamSwoosh
2 жыл бұрын
With the premium price of the service, I expected far better, especially with N64 emulation being around for over 20 years and is near perfection because of the emulation community. Along with the fact that NSO as a service isn't great on it's own, making you pay more for three things, only one of which is unique, makes the service worse than it already was sadly
@boscotheman82
2 жыл бұрын
N64 Emulation is nowhere near perfect
@FranciscoFJM
2 жыл бұрын
@@boscotheman82 For most of the games it is
@DarkDyllon
2 жыл бұрын
@@FranciscoFJM it really isn't, it's acceptable but far from perfect, most games run at their intended speeds, but not perfect.
@wordsmith451
2 жыл бұрын
You expected better? From Nintendo? 😂
@DaiSenshiMounir
2 жыл бұрын
@@boscotheman82 n64 emulation on anything that isn’t a brick is pretty good in 2021. That’s why there are Chinese emulation stations running Dreamcast and ps1 around 60 frames with the right cfw and only minor bugs
@erickschusterdeoliveira2662
2 жыл бұрын
lol it's amazing how the company that fucking made the N64 can't emulate it properly while the online community can make proper emulators of it (while being attacked by Nintendo). really, Nintendo is absolutely pathetic nowadays.
@carpetfresh9278
2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I waited to see reviews because I am extremely sensitive to input lag and man if I forked out $50 to immediately be greeted with this lag I would have felt like I was genuinely robbed
@SylverScourge
2 жыл бұрын
@HumanGarbage yeah same, input lag literally makes me vomit. Thats why I'm waiting for the steam deck to release in order to play wwhd (since I don't have any space for a wiiu) bc my laptop has so much lag on it
@Vinnay94
2 жыл бұрын
You're not alone bro, I remember switching from LED to CRT for my Wii and the difference was amazing, I could really feel the responsiveness.
@MrPoeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
Things like this make me really glad I still have my original collection and a CRT.
@EricAbroad
2 жыл бұрын
same! We are the fortunate minority. Original hardware any day!
@Bountyhunter108
2 жыл бұрын
Crts are awesome. They are superior at playing old games and at the same time nostalgic.
@namordespuesdelnamor
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats the CTR ..i wish i could plug my Switch to it.
@Bountyhunter108
2 жыл бұрын
@@namordespuesdelnamor You can.
@PaperBanjo64
2 жыл бұрын
@@Bountyhunter108 yeah I think there's a company that makes HDMI to component adapters for TVs without HDMI ports and he/she can plug his/her Switch into a CRT with component.
@kraftthisile9113
2 жыл бұрын
I've been a nintendo player since early 90s, waited patiently many, many years for releases. And let me tell you, I'm tired of getting short changed. The Wii shop was perfect the way it was, control configuration was well done and there was no monthly charge to shop there.
@jonasmellberg3559
2 жыл бұрын
It's not perfect, but it was way better than what we get now.
@joshuac1364
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe nintendo will change how to do things going forward. Fans have enabled them to half ass things for the entire switch generation. I can't believe people aren't sick of them reselling the same games and using weak hardware over and over again..
@zabelinextreme927
2 жыл бұрын
I believe that you are a liar or just have a bad memory, why? OoT on wii control configuration was A>A,B>B, Y> C-L, X>C-R, ZR and ZL both are C-D, Z was actually L. for C-U you needed to press the rigth stick up, and there was no way to remap anything or at least i never found that option. It really was a mess. and not all wii classic controllers got zr,zl
@EikottXD
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I would like to also mention that there are no time trials in Mario kart because they did not put in the work to emulate a memory card.
@beardalaxy
2 жыл бұрын
Wait... Really? You're shitting me.
@unisonproto
2 жыл бұрын
@@beardalaxy Nintendo are lazy and just want money.
@buckeye631
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, there is a Time Trial mode in Mario Kart 64. You just can't save your ghost. Insane, considering that you can create PS1/PS2 memory cards on the Playstation 3.
@MusicFromAnotherTime
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe they'll release a RAM expansion pack just like the actual N64 that you need to insert to get maximum emulation and blast processing or whatever.
@davidmcgill1000
2 жыл бұрын
Doubling RAM from 4MB to 8MB was a pretty big deal back then. Wasn't cost effective to include it in 1996, so it was smart to leave it an option for a few years later.
@DavidAvila-zt8fh
2 жыл бұрын
It will be a literal stick that comes in the mail and you stick it where the sun doesn't shine for extra immersion
@rgm4646
2 жыл бұрын
Thats funny lol a literal Expansion pack that comes in the mail, to boost your N64 games. Knowing Nintendo, they would make it a downloadable RAM expansion pack for 49.95, and throw in an unreleased N64 game.
@McLovinMods
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, but I disagree with you on it being okay for the "Casual Gamer". This is a product targeted directly at the people that played these growing up. That is your Casual Gamer. They went as far as to create controllers for this service but provided a below subpar experience and there should be no excuses for that.
@adroharv9213
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo has always been the pits when it comes to their emulating N64 games. As far back as the original Wii their games we're broken concerning the terribly reproduced analogue range of the N64 stick. Even with best joypad option or even a real N64 controller and adaptor did not make for a faithful recreation of the this range. The Wii U version of F-zero was so bad regards to deadzone and range that controlling even remotely subtle movement was impossible. In the the end they had to patch it but even then it just played like the previously released Wii version ie still jittery enough to make subtle movement impossible unless by tippy tappy. To this day Wii and WiiU N64 games such as Starfox and F-zero are bastards to play resulting in a much more jittery experience as you battle trying to get some form of control out of them. Waverace less so as you can play well enough even with digital thankfully Nintendo are cunts when it comes to this stuff because they simply don't respect these games enough expecting most people not to notice these control issues. And in most cases people don't unfortunately because they've either got shitty controllers that they use on real hardare or have simply moved on and forgotten how good the N64's range of movement actually was on a good working pad Anyway shame on Nintendo for allowing for it in the first place
@Frank_Erz
2 жыл бұрын
At least Wii VC's only major issue for a lot of games was control stick mapping. Everything after it has had issues piling up without even the smallest attempts to fix them.
@PaperBanjo64
2 жыл бұрын
@@Frank_Erz I've always heard Nintendo the company (not the genius behind the games such Shigeru Miyamoto) hate the Nintendo 64 era games because it was their first console not to win a console war and it made far less money for them.
@majormalfunction0071
2 жыл бұрын
@@Frank_Erz Free emulators solved this, I'm pretty sure. If Nintendo can't do better work than people working for free, they have issues. The games being free (piracy) isn't the only element of emulation. If Nintendo can't figure this out, they deserve to fail in this endeavour.
@alfo2804
2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the ugly darkening filter they applied to all VC games that leads to poor colour reproduction especially on the Wii.
@adroharv9213
2 жыл бұрын
@@alfo2804 yeah aint that the truth
@Jman1995100
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo: Our games are very valuable to us that's why we charge so much Also Nintendo: puts literally the bare bones effort into putting in N64 emulation that's still somehow worse than the basic N64 emulation you can find online
@SumeaBizarro
2 жыл бұрын
Or their emulation on Wii U or Wii. Or even gamecube, where they warned about stuff possibly being glitchy.
@fishingmule3266
2 жыл бұрын
Customer: so how much do you charge for this game? I’m willing to pay- Nintendo: it’s not for sale! Just pay a yearly fee, and you’ll get something.
@hardgay7537
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo: So we didn't include the XML file on the Wii U enabling GameCube games to be played because of a lack of dedicated controller/memory card/disc ports. Nor did we port anything to the eShop. Also Nintendo: Ocarina of Time running at 10fps? That'll be $20 +$30 tip, thanks for the business.
@jonlaw16
2 жыл бұрын
@@SumeaBizarro yeah this is the key point. This isn't just a step backwards from the fan community. This a step backwards from Nintendo's own past offerings.
@Hmbs271
2 жыл бұрын
It's seems like they needed to cost reduce and it was okay for them that it came at the expense of accuracy - it's a shame though that it's also bringing down the legacy of their own IP, and this is an obvious loss of value for any company in the long run.
@ericandruszko7563
2 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling their QA process was "does it run consistently?" rather than "does it run correctly?" Some companies do that a lot, and if this was a background project for Nintendo, that may have been their approach... which sucks, but having worked in game QA myself, that's how it is sometimes.
@jdmahle
2 жыл бұрын
I trust a mans opinion that knows emulation. I think I'll be holding off on n64 games even tho the wife and son wanted to upgrade to the expansion pack. You'd thunk Nintendo would be the best at emulating their own games in any system
@TheNerdypony
2 жыл бұрын
Get your family what they want. Don't believe this video's bs. They have to make a big deal out of things to make videos. Who cares about frame rates?
@TheNerdypony
2 жыл бұрын
I have the N64 on Switch. I have had no problems at all.
@leviathan3508
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerdypony To be fair alot of people. Each person should decide for themselves and honestly nintendos trash at emulating their own games. I wouldnt even buy sm64 for the switch Id much rather run the fan made port on it or use an n64 emu on it.
@Nobbie248
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerdypony enjoy your expensive turd subscription
@TheNerdypony
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nobbie248 Super convenient. Works perfectly fine. Stop letting stupid KZitemrs make decisions for you. Money no problem.
@zacvitanzo4760
2 жыл бұрын
MVG spitting straight facts today...also every day as usually anyway
@mistereagleman
2 жыл бұрын
This is true lol
@cgarzs
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendouche: "Want to pay a 2nd time for games you've owned for decades? With more bugs and more latency?" People: "No, we'll just download the roms and use free emulators instead." Nintendouche: "Oh yea? Our lawyers will just see about that."
@ryancee7
2 жыл бұрын
People really surprised that Nintendo's emulation effort is subpar to community effort? Have we not seen their Mario 64? The PC version done by the community is miles ahead
@beardalaxy
2 жыл бұрын
Not the same thing, pc version is a port. Nintendo could absolutely do that if they wanted to as well, but you're putting emulation and ports in the same category when they're not. Compare Nintendo's emulator to 3rd party emulators for comparison.
@cunnyman
2 жыл бұрын
@@beardalaxy i mean, isn’t Mario 64 also supposed to be a port? No one forced them to use N64 emulator to begin with.
@bitbybrick1080
2 жыл бұрын
@@cunnyman I think what he’s implying is that the goal of the official N64 emulator is to match the original as much as possible. What we saw on PC some time ago, while yes it is superior with many enhancements, it’s not in the original frame rate or the original ratio. Therefore, it doesn’t truly match a proper emulator or the original hardware. (Edit: and the flaw we see with NSO is that it is not proper either, even though it’s trying to be. Typical modern emulators are better at mocking the original as of now. Virtual console was better too.)
@ryancee7
2 жыл бұрын
@@beardalaxy my point is the effort aspect of Nintendo. I realize ones a port and the other is emulated. Imo 3D all Stars should of been ports and more effort should of been put in, overall Nintendo's efforts are definitely subpar for the price they're asking for these things.
@beardalaxy
2 жыл бұрын
@@bitbybrick1080 yup pretty much
@ThePavlowitsch
2 жыл бұрын
Should have included those games without additional cost to the base subscription. It's sad to see Nintendo becoming that greedy.
@flameshana9
2 жыл бұрын
>becoming
@kamilciura7953
2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that even though you are a Nintendo fan, you do not look at this through rose tinted glasses and instead call it what it is. Online services on Switch remind me early days of Playstation Network, back when PS3 came out. These were super raw and Xbox Live was so far ahead that Sony was a laughing stock. But over time, they have improved it massively and best of all, it was always free. Cloud saves and games from PS+ were worth the fee and especially in later years, we got some very good indie titles as well as AAA games (say what you want about PS3 version of RDR, it was a huge deal when it dropped on PS+). And this was about a decade ago. Nintendo cannot even offer online services for Switch on par with the PSN from PS3 era. This is laughable and pitiful. Not only they overcharge for subpar service, they are giving the games every Nintendo fan most likely have in their library. And ones that many people own on DSi, 3DS, Wii or Wii U. Even though it is trivial to allow people play these ROMs on Switch (because they are ROMs, sometimes taken off the web even...) in new emulator, they do not offer that. Like, man, I got PS4 late (2018) but when I've heard that Resogun is coming to PS3, I was super happy and bought it. One of my favourite games of past decade. By buying it on PS3 I also got a version for my Vita and guess what... when I bought a PS4, it was there. And I know that it will be ready to download and play on PS5, when I get one, eventually. Of course, this wasn't that common, but I would expect that making it possible to take a collection of NES, SNES etc. ROMs through generations should be given, considering that all they have to do to make it playable is to write an emulator. There is no per-title work needed. Seeing how N64 games perform is another thing. Considering that Nintendo have access to documentation which was not available for community when they have been developing reverse engineered emulators, I would expect stellar quality. Now, compare this to what Microsoft has done on a mere Xbox One with Xbox and Xbox 360 emulation... They have handled games at per title basis and even though the power gap between X360 and Xbox One is much smaller than between N64 and Switch (and by orders of magnitude!), Microsoft has managed to make the games run better than on original hardware! Nintendo are cheapskates. Cheapskates who are out of touch.
@somethingdumb3928
2 жыл бұрын
games? great. service? shit
@Darth_Insidious
2 жыл бұрын
@@somethingdumb3928 The games aren't even that good anymore...
@LeoJay
2 жыл бұрын
The community emulators are decades ahead, god bless em.
@Gambit2483
2 жыл бұрын
There are only a couple that are actually good. Most have some kind of audio or graphical/performance issues.
@Tom-jw7ii
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gambit2483 One good one is all you need.
@Gambit2483
2 жыл бұрын
@@Tom-jw7ii ok but only one is actually legal, and portable. It works just fine. Could it use patches? Sure absolutely...but no need to make it sound like the games are borderline unplayable or something. Also it has online, something no one emulators have. Is it perfect? No. Does it work as intended? Yes, absolutely.
@Tom-jw7ii
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gambit2483 Huh, KZitem deleted my second comment for some reason. Anyway, regarding the legality, all I have to say is “who cares lol.” The only way it could possibly hurt the copyright holders (not even the developers) is extremely nebulous and indirect. And no one has ever experienced legal repercussions for downloading roms. I don’t think it’s worth getting upset over video games being bad or overpriced, but $30 per year for a handful of games with mediocre emulation is just totally not worth it. Netplay is not a unique feature. Project64 has had netplay since forever ago. The only thing this service has over unofficial emulators is the UI.
@McNuggetFiend
2 жыл бұрын
This is bad but I wouldn't say this about community emulation either for N64
@JeanneDGames
2 жыл бұрын
"I wonder how this got through QA" Bold of you to assume that Nintendo listened to QA, which is bold of either of us to assume that there was QA at all.
@knifedad8124
2 жыл бұрын
They should also get rid of those boarders when emulating games and replace it with just a black boarder especially for the oled
@abysJaq
2 жыл бұрын
I'll stick to retroarch
@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece
2 жыл бұрын
And for reference: That full setup costs as much to BUY as Nintendo's service costs for 4 years of rent with additional conditions applied. It's not even a joke, because jokes are funny.
@DerekMoore82
2 жыл бұрын
I recieved a Switch for my birthday this year, 'the first thing I did was check to see if I could install custom firmware for Retroarch - nope, my version is patched so it's too new of a version and you can't run emulators on it - AAARRRGGG.
@gabrieleriva651
2 жыл бұрын
Re: 3-points texture filtering: Doom 64 on Switch implements it perfectly.
@Goldfire345
2 жыл бұрын
That's not emulation though it's a source port at least not the night dive release
@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189
2 жыл бұрын
@@Goldfire345 Yes Night Dive's release is a port, not emulation.
@Spaztron64
2 жыл бұрын
@@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189 The point is that it's trivial to implement with a minimal performance penalty. I've been using 3-point filter mode in GLideN64 on my 10 year old laptop. On both the NVidia NVS 4200M and Intel HD 3000 graphics there's no performance penalty from it. The Switch has more than enough capable shader cores in it's GPU to handle this.
@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189
2 жыл бұрын
@@Spaztron64 It is a different architecture but I get your point. It should be doable.
@cato3277
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a few ideas people have thrown out suggesting Nintendo sells their old roms online for a reasonably cheap price. This would quell piracy issues and they’d make bank doing it.
@shenone3285
2 жыл бұрын
Oh my Lord would they make bank! But only if the original studios / developers got their fair cut.
@cato3277
2 жыл бұрын
@@shenone3285 definitely
@no.7893
2 жыл бұрын
Sega have been doing it for ages now, just sell the roms, bundle them with a crappy emulator that will appease the casuals and let the rom be free to use where ever else, but Nintendo would die before they’d sell their games on non proprietary hardware.
@retrocysper3709
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. They should make a website and have that service and sell the roms for a right price.
@Darth_Insidious
2 жыл бұрын
I would pay a few bucks a pop for old ROMs. Instead I have to go to sketchy websites to get ROMs of games I already paid for as a kid.
@jimmycompton5621
2 жыл бұрын
It's always morally correct to pirate and emulate older nintendo games, won't catch me paying top dollar for games that are 20+ years old
@ppprime98K
2 жыл бұрын
Even if isn't, people that pirate wouldn't buy the game anyway. If you like the game, eventually you will buy it, Minecraft never cared about piracy and is the best selling PC game of all time
@Dazuam
2 жыл бұрын
I really wonder if there are any “casual players” watching MVG, given how specialized and in-depth your channel is
@guy-sl3kr
2 жыл бұрын
Well this video is currently #32 on trending so I imagine that there are a lot of casual players that saw this video, at least.
@wuurlii
2 жыл бұрын
Extremely casual player and I love these videos
@timbomb374
2 жыл бұрын
I can emulate these games on my phone pretty dang easily. Itd just be nice to be able to use any emulator I want on my switch because the screen is bigger and controls are nicer
@TheAndreso_
2 жыл бұрын
This just makes me appreciate more the work of Project64 devs
@CallMeSugarMilk
2 жыл бұрын
After hearing about all this, I can’t help but wonder if Nintendo did take the initiative to actually produce and release the N64 Classic Mini like we were all hoping for, would the emulation on the N64 Classic Mini pretty much been that of what’s the current state of the N64 Expansion Pack? Worst than the PSOne Classic Mini maybe?
@alfo2804
2 жыл бұрын
I doubt it. The NES and SNES Classic Editions are still some of the best official ways to emulate those games - the emulation is leagues better than Virtual Console, which was the only other option at the time. The emulation quality of the mini consoles then became the standard for what was used in NSO. If they had made an N64 Classic Edition, then I bet it would've meant that the NSO emulation would've been _better_ than this. At least we now know why they didn't make an N64 mini, though: they can't even get it right on a Switch, so they probably had no luck getting it to work on a glorified Raspberry Pi.
@GottaBGlitches
2 жыл бұрын
Why can't they just make switch online free already? They're already charging enough for the n64 and sega genesis so add nes and snes into that and drop the price
@Covnam
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm surprised you didn't mention the lack of virtual memory card support affecting Mario Kart and Win Back. It's really sad to see the premium service receive minimum effort.
@ppowerman5000
2 жыл бұрын
I laugh out, to all those youtubers that were saying it's a good price point...and to those blaming Sega for the high price of the Expansion Pack. Now who are they blaming for this faulty emulation of N64...?🤔
@jasonblalock4429
2 жыл бұрын
The thing that confuses me about Nintendo trying to blame Sega for the price is that nobody was asking for MegaDrive/Genesis games. I'm still not sure why they went that route. Most people I saw were hoping for GB/GBC/GBA emulation, which Nintendo could have done much more cheaply. And it's doubly strange considering that there's already an official Sega classics pack with roughly half the MegaGen games found in NSO+. Just... *WHY?*
@Nickbaldeagle02
2 жыл бұрын
If the Sega thing is such an issue why didn't they just offer N64 and let Sega sell the Megadrive games separately?
@ppowerman5000
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nickbaldeagle02 exactly. And all the youtubers spreading those rumors, rapidly blaming Sega, defending always Nintendo. 😅🤦🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️
@lxlthecrowlxl
2 жыл бұрын
Man just say their name. Here i'll break the ice for you, Austin John Plays is a perfect example of a clown endorsing this garbage. "ItS a GoOd PrIcE PoInT" TF dude??
@kevinaguilar7541
2 жыл бұрын
Gee what a surprise. It's not like Nintendo has already shown signs of laziness. Oh wait, they had.
@Hobo_X
2 жыл бұрын
The truly pitiful part about all this is that, as the actual hardware source owners, Nintendo could just build a 100% accurate emulator and sell it as a product
@randomprotag9329
2 жыл бұрын
its even worse when existing n64 emulators are better than what they are able to do and they did not even have any source data
@jonathanvarela3492
2 жыл бұрын
Official* N64 Emulation is bad….
@soullos555
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo got the fog correct on the GameCube version of Ocarina of Time (just loaded it up to check). They've done this correctly before, and on much older hardware, there's no excuse for these mistakes in this day and age.
@Lucrei.
2 жыл бұрын
GameCube was peak Nintendo
@Darth_Insidious
2 жыл бұрын
@@Lucrei. Wii was about as good but it made Nintendo greedy.
@EdgardR.
2 жыл бұрын
Mistakes were made.
@daringintrovert
2 жыл бұрын
MVG should be hired to solve this and bring quality to the service: his work on Shantae and Quake speaks for itself.
@RidgeRacer
2 жыл бұрын
MVG uploading a video with Mario on the thumbnail and big bold text, "I made this."
@pr0f3ta_yt
2 жыл бұрын
Too early for brown nosing dude
@nathanhobson1142
2 жыл бұрын
And Doom 64
@Evan-ru6ro
2 жыл бұрын
he isnt good enough to fix this
@plasmaoctopus1728
2 жыл бұрын
@@blitzwing1 Didn't the virtual console games on the wii and wii u emulate better than what this expansion offers? Switch should be at least as good as that I would think, not worse.
@slimyslimer2642
2 жыл бұрын
Was necessary? No. Was useful? No. Was a mistake? *Yes.*
@kryzethx
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is rough. Imagine having emulators made by the community that work infinitely better than the ones developed by the official Nintendo team. This is just sad. I'm sure it'll get better "eventually", but people who paid over double the price of the original NSO subscription are gonna be stuck playing these inferior versions of the games for weeks, or maybe even months until Nintendo fixes this. What a mess
@lemau8458
2 жыл бұрын
No they're not, because nobody's gonna buy this garbage
@FelixCokeBlume
2 жыл бұрын
I mean it still costs half the price of ps plus and gives you more extras then just online
@kryzethx
2 жыл бұрын
@@FelixCokeBlume Not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but in the US, PS Plus only costs 60 bucks for year, while NSO + Expansion Pack is 50 bucks for a year (or 80 bucks for the family version) If you're only comparing it to the base version of NSO, then sure, it's only 20 bucks for a year, which is only a third of PS Plus, but you also get almost nothing apart from online play. Base NSO only allows you to play NES and SNES games, while you have the service. PS Plus gives you monthly free games that you can then play FOREVER, even after your subscription ends. Sure, not all of the free PS Plus games are hitters, but neither are all of the NES/SNES games. But at least PS Plus lets you OWN the games they give you, and some of the titles on offer are going to be modern releases from big budget developers; not the random scraps that Nintendo found in their back catalogue of NES games.
@User-Ryan135
2 жыл бұрын
@@kryzethx Don't condone Nintendo at all, they created a shit show but the without PS plus part is incorrect. You own them as long as your subscription is active unless you paid something towards them. Cancel and restart a few months later again? You can play them. Cancel and don't restart? You can't access the license.
@shp-bk6lm
2 жыл бұрын
This shit should be free. Can’t believe they’re charging $30/yr for a preselected array of 20 year old n64 games that don’t even run well on modern hardware and also charging $50 for an outdated wonky controller
@Tricolorrr533
2 жыл бұрын
4:09 when i fiddled more with emulators back in the day i remember always going crazy about how Ocarina of Time froze every time i killed one of those plants as i used to believe the emulator was to blame
@relo999
2 жыл бұрын
The weirdest part is that the WiiU has better level of emulation when it comes to these issues.
@winlover37
2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the original Wii had better performance via VC IRC.
@chocok1ng637
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao, imagine having a modern console emulate N64 games worse then the Wii
@beardalaxy
2 жыл бұрын
For ocarina of Time I believe the best vc version is the Wii U. I know star fox 64 is ass on the Wii and a lot of its issues were fixed on Wii U but I haven't looked too much into the switch version yet. It is pretty absurd that there are setbacks at all, though
@formdissolve
2 жыл бұрын
Only issue for the WiiU is the crazy opacity/darkness filter they implemented on top of the games for no apparent reason. The image is 25% or more darker than it should be!
@nintendo1889x
2 жыл бұрын
Besides the crappy dark filter, yes
@yugoprowers
2 жыл бұрын
Wow that's not good since the best VA panels are 1ms and OLED is around 0.1ms the Switch should have won that easily. I think I'll stick to PC for N64.
@YondanDrill
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine paying 50$ for that on the Switch while on PC is better and free.
@AJ-xv7oh
2 жыл бұрын
Nintendo fans aren't the smartest.
@vincegrant3450
2 жыл бұрын
It's called paying for convenience, sad as this state of the expansion pack is.
@X22GJP
2 жыл бұрын
@@AJ-xv7oh Neither are PC, SONY, Microsoft or any other groups of game-related fans you care to mention
@hedw1gP
2 жыл бұрын
And Nintendo themselves just downloaded a free rom then suck it in NSOnline
@specterrific304
2 жыл бұрын
Not everyone has a 9999999 pounds premium pc
@Nicomanism
2 жыл бұрын
Here come the rise of N64 cartridge prices to go up even more after this announcement.
@AlbertPuljos
2 жыл бұрын
Meh you want a beast to emulate machines just get a Wii mod it. Nintendo is lazy this is totally a cash grab it’s just a fucking emulator. Make it wide screen make it 1080p and just sell the games individually then we’ll talk.
@gian805
2 жыл бұрын
I will go back to my wii again to play n64 games
@gian805
2 жыл бұрын
@Walther Penne wow i didn't know that. i hope they fix the problem on emulation on switch
@pablolozano9885
2 жыл бұрын
I remember using Project64 in 2001/2002 to emulate OOT with my Pentium 4 and a 64 MB NVidia GPU and I'm pretty sure it was way better than this.
@PigeonHoledByYT
2 жыл бұрын
I noticed the input lag on Mario 64 from the first jump; it just doesn't feel right. I'm not a speed runner by any means, but there is a notable difference even for a relatively casual gamer like me.
@ViniVHSoares1993
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly the video i was waiting for
@alexweinberg3913
2 жыл бұрын
"Mistakes were made"
@seanb7969
2 жыл бұрын
"Thats what she said".
@GTFour
2 жыл бұрын
Why does everything want to be a damn subscription, what happened to just paying for something and getting it. Such a con.
@jimmothy79
2 жыл бұрын
I was really looking forward to this when first announced, then they announced the prices and I decided against it. Hearing how poor the N64 emulation runs I'm glad I made that decision
@balaam_7087
2 жыл бұрын
Came for the “ohcareener” and “coca-reeky village”, stayed for the excellent technical breakdown of the emulation.
@lemau8458
2 жыл бұрын
No you didn't.
@triggeredravioli
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a native English speaker, which accent is this?
@bradyreeves1522
2 жыл бұрын
Came for the excellent technical breakdown of the emulation, stayed for the "ohcareener".
@LonkPhonk
2 жыл бұрын
Yes ocoariner of time and Kocariki village
@Mr.Atari2600
2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: The PS Vita runs better N64 Emulation than the Switch.
@WolfsGimpyWrath
2 жыл бұрын
For those arguing against third party home-brew emulation, are you daft? Emulation doesn't = piracy, it can be a tool of piracy but on its own it's just a reverse engineered digital representation of console.
@Brisingr73
2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Ethically speaking, I think it's completely fine if you already own a legit copy of the game.
@MasterAdam100
2 жыл бұрын
It's still ok even if you don't own an original copy. Do you really need to spend hundreds of dollars on an original copy of MUSHA before earning some right to emulate it? Hell no. Getting priced out aside, SEGA still isn't selling it themselves so the money would just got to a reseller anyway. Emulate till your hearts content I say.
@Brisingr73
2 жыл бұрын
@@MasterAdam100 You're still justifying theft, but I get what you mean.
@WolfsGimpyWrath
2 жыл бұрын
@@MasterAdam100 Me to lad me too, I ain't putting money in greedy pockets, people who arbitrarily jack up retro game prices. To quote Indiana Jones "It should be in a museum"
@LinearCarp1209
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to know it should be good enough for the casual like myself, but I'm thankful you put it this kind of closer analysis. Just on principle Nintendo really should be offering something on par with the enthusiasts emulators, at minimum as you said.
@Landmasters
2 жыл бұрын
The thing that annoys me is Nintendo does have a cornered market in a sense, that is to say a handheld market that can support this stuff. Phones and labtops can do this, but they're more bulky or inconvenient. Yet they feel that putting down the money in any capacity for the service still requires a weekly check in to keep access. It isn't the end of the world by a long shot given hotspots and active wifi nearly everywhere, but it's still obnoxious and it just makes me wish for the Virtual Console so I don't have to mess with this farce of a security check. And yeah the community who nurture the emulation scene running circles around a company doing the bare minimum in many ways is depressing, that too.
@kingdingaling781
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely an English man the way he says "Ocariner".
@a-a-ron97
2 жыл бұрын
I think he's Australian, but they're just England's prisoners so there's little difference lol
@handlesarefeckinstupid
2 жыл бұрын
Never been English. Australian is what you are hearing, albeit quite a mild one.
@handlesarefeckinstupid
2 жыл бұрын
@@a-a-ron97 Firstly, they were British prisoners not English and secondly America was also used as a penal colony. So is the US accent a British accent?
@a-a-ron97
2 жыл бұрын
@@handlesarefeckinstupid probably, lol
@Awnos
2 жыл бұрын
@@handlesarefeckinstupid Also, not all of the settlers where prisoners.
@droidchevere
2 жыл бұрын
It’s laughable that Nintendo couldn’t make a perfect experience playing n64 on a switch .
@yung_barbone
2 жыл бұрын
even a jailbroken wii with mupen64 wii can run it better-
@Zoigun
2 жыл бұрын
I love listening to Nintendo "fans" whine for 13 minutes about minor things.
@markusTegelane
2 жыл бұрын
for the money you would be spending, you'd expect at least to get accurate emulation
@cc75936
2 жыл бұрын
i have tried both retroarch and this on my switch and iv decided to go back to retroarch plays so much better and in full screen.
@RandomTreeProductions
2 жыл бұрын
5 years into the consoles lifestyle to make 30+ year old games run on a console in this state is just pathetic. Nintendon’t even do the near minimum.
@Fattydeposit
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why anyone expects parity in quality between an in-house emulation effort and community-built emulators. That's never how it's worked. Community efforts have always been leaps and bounds ahead and this is just another example.
@railerswim
2 жыл бұрын
Except for OG Xbox and 360. MS is killing it there.
@gyroninjamodder
2 жыл бұрын
Especially when community emulators are MUCH older.
@RFLCPTR
2 жыл бұрын
Except for PS1 on PS2/PS3 or PS2 on PS3.
@alessandrorossi1294
2 жыл бұрын
Any idea why this is?
@nordicrain
2 жыл бұрын
@@RFLCPTR Not really. Mednafen and duckstation are much better than ps1 emulation on ps3. PS2 on PS3 is a better example, but probably still debatable.
@StabStabStabStabby
2 жыл бұрын
Ninty putting minimal effort in to re-releases? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
@PixelCherryNinja
2 жыл бұрын
I think Star Wars Rogue Squadron will probably blow up your switch 😂 Great video.
@HoroJoga
2 жыл бұрын
Kokiriki Village is my favorite place now (but with actual fog)
@3dmarth
2 жыл бұрын
*Kakaro Forest
@rtyuik7
2 жыл бұрын
@@3dmarth *Karaoke Forest
@3dmarth
2 жыл бұрын
@@rtyuik7 I was just reminded that my uncle used to call it Coconut-Head Forest.
@djp1234
2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to play N64 games on the Steam Deck
@matttumberman2191
2 жыл бұрын
Penny: what are you doing Sheldon Sheldon: I'm playing Mario 64 on a poorly coded emulator on the Nintendo Switch. *Laugh track*
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