Hit the LIKE BUTTON if you are excited for Switch 2 and enjoyed this video today. Let me know your thoughts on this information discovered and how it may factor into Nintendo’s manufacturing plans, and let me know just how detrimental you think the final chip size would be on the graphical performance of Switch 2. The reveal is soon guys, so this also might be my last Switch 2 video until the console is shown….it’s hard to believe that we are finally right at the precipice to the start of Nintendo’s Next Console Generation. Let’s get this console revealed ASAP. 😎🤘
@JesseGast
5 күн бұрын
@@SuperMetalDave64 Pub. No.: US 2024/0316457 A1 Pub. Date: Sep. 26, 2024. 33 pages long. Mike odyssey found it
@kevinramirez3134
3 күн бұрын
Do you know if in any of the rumors if the Switch 2 will have a Micro SDXC card slot? Matter of fact, does ANYONE know? No ones seems to be talking about potential Switch 2 storage and if it will use Micro SDXC cards again. Most of us would quickly buy a 512GB or 1TB Micro SDXC card before the Switch 2's reveal and have it ready.
@iakona23
5 күн бұрын
Really getting excited about Switch 2 specs and performance
@FatihBerberr
5 күн бұрын
Same!!🎉
@truthtruth9056
4 күн бұрын
Why not just buy steam deck lcd, its cheaper now, you can play most of triple a games from sony and xbox
@FatihBerberr
4 күн бұрын
@@truthtruth9056 docked/undocked clutch my man
@Yusei255
2 күн бұрын
although, none of this is really confirmed.
@syferz
4 күн бұрын
so yeah 8nm would result in ~1.2TFLOPs portable and sub 3TFLOPs when docked. 4nm would result in ~2TFLOPs portable and ~3.5 to 4TFLOPs docked
@denisn8336
4 күн бұрын
@@syferz really hope Nintendo goes 4nm
@Greenwithao
4 күн бұрын
I was on the understanding that node shrink doesn't affect performance. it does allow more complex design which increases performance and less power consumption.
@syferz
3 күн бұрын
@@Greenwithao It allows for higher clocks, because a die shrink requires less voltage/power to reach a certain clock. Thus if it's 8nm, the voltage will be higher, which will increase the heat and not only require more power to hit those clocks, but the max clock will be lower, because you can only push so many watts into the silicon. If you shrink the chip to 4nm, you lower the power draw drastically, voltage/heat goes down too, and you can have higher clocks as you push back towards those higher power draws. This probably makes more sense if you think of overclocking your CPU, sometimes you have to increase the voltage to get stable clocks, this has a limit, but generally the cooler you run the cpu, the higher clocks you can have, the more stable you can make those clocks.
@ZackSNetwork
3 күн бұрын
@@syferzIt’s neither 8nm or 4nm. It will be either 7nm or 5nm.
@syferz
3 күн бұрын
@@ZackSNetwork TSMC 4N is 5nm (used in Ada Lovelace), it's just a marketing name, TSMC 4NP is 4nm (used in upcoming Blackwell).
@hmon661
5 күн бұрын
They gotta reveal in October. Riiight?
@SuperMetalDave64
5 күн бұрын
If they don't, someone else will....meaning more big leaks. Nintendo has to make a move extremely soon or it could be damaging.
@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny
4 күн бұрын
@@SuperMetalDave64 it seems that the 10 of october is the day. wayy to many leakers have confirmed this date (alongside the guy that leake the ps5 pro date and launch date)
@vivid8979
4 күн бұрын
r/Tomorrow
@switchitup3709
4 күн бұрын
@@vivid8979 lol
@blabloe1497
4 күн бұрын
@@SuperMetalDave64 Hmm, I don't think the Nintendo reveal date will be influenced by the leaks so far, as the average user doesn't keep up with the leaks. It will be either october with a April/May release... or a march reveal with a september/october 2025 release (I hope for the first of course)
@lanhikari4930
4 күн бұрын
I just want portable mode to run well and have at least 3 hours of battery life. I play my switch almost exclusively in portable mode
@the_cosmiccat
4 күн бұрын
Then you should've gone cheaper and get a Switch Lite if you haven't already
@lanhikari4930
4 күн бұрын
@@the_cosmiccat uhh that doesn’t really have anything to do with Switch 2 but sure lol. I’ve been a switch adopter since day 1. Currently I have both the Lite and OLED model. The lite is cool, but I like using the OLED mostly because of the screen (obviously) and it has better battery life too. Anyway, my main point is that I don’t want a significant downgrade when playing portably. I don’t want to feel like I’m missing out because I don’t have it on the dock. And honestly I don’t think Nintendo will let the portable experience suffer to that extent anyway.
@ItApproaches
4 күн бұрын
I hate Switch in handheld mode, so uncomfortable to hold, and I get like 1.5 hours of battery life before it's at 5% lol. The Wii U gamepad I could play for like 8 hour sessions!
@lanhikari4930
3 күн бұрын
@@ItApproaches never had an issue with comfort, in fact I actually hate all of those grips to make them “comfortable” I prefer just the standard size. But if you’re only getting 1.5 hours of life then sounds like your battery is seriously degraded. I get about 5 hours on mine
@The_MEMEphis
3 күн бұрын
@@ItApproachesThe Wii u gamepad has worse battery life
@raizen2574
4 күн бұрын
If this is your last video before the Switch 2 reveal, I want to say its been a fun journey and thank you for your videos. Also can't wait for Metroid Prime 4 and to see what they do with it for Switch 2.
@wiremesh2
5 күн бұрын
I'm of two minds about this. For one thing, it's NIntendo, so don't rely on them choosing the cutting edge. On the other hand, battery life is a huge priority for them. So it's either 4nm or a severely-underclocked (in portable mode) 8nm. I'm really hoping for 4nm, because otherwise it could mean a huge gap between portable and docked performance, which could cause problems for developers optimizing games. Also, I still say no official reveal until 2025. I think they'll just not comment on leaks.
@RiqMoran
4 күн бұрын
dont hold your breath or set yourself up for disappointment. with nintendo hardware its always best to have low expectations 😅
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
Nintendo isnt designing the chip, Nvidia is and so they are the ones choosing the process node. Based on the targets Nintendo wanted they will choose the appropriate node. If Nintendo told them they are okay with 1h battery life then 8nm is what it is but I doubt it. Also, downclocking the chip to hell doesnot makes sense for a custom chip where you can control the actual core numbers.
@ItApproaches
4 күн бұрын
Nintendo does choose cutting edge, just what was once cutting edge. They choose the stuff that was cutting edge that got the bugs fixed and when it's at it's best but was ditched by everyone else when they want to go to the next cutting edge. See the problem is, company's release cutting edge tech, but never hit the mac capabilities with it before moving onto the next thing. Their entire business model is buy our new shiny thing, then buy the next new shiny thing. Nintendo waits back a few steps and says thanks for getting all the bugs and glitches of this tech figured out, not while you're busying selling the next thing that you'll give up on in a year, we'll use this for 7 years and get 7 years of that tech at it's best! It's quite brilliant actually.
@RiqMoran
3 күн бұрын
@@ItApproaches ohmy god the copium is real
@ItApproaches
3 күн бұрын
@@RiqMoran Copium? I used logic and simply broke down what is true that people have no understanding of. Even Miyamoto himself has stated the very same thing lol. God you humans with sub 100 IQ's are laughably sad.
@kuramakun84
4 күн бұрын
I’ve been telling people since last year. That Nintendo took longer than expected to release the Switch 2 because they decided to go with a newer chip it was a late decision according to a close source that works at Nvidia. Originally it was a 8nm chip. But they went with a newer chip the decision was made almost 2 years ago. That’s why we haven’t heard anything official from Nintendo not even a trailer nothing. Not sure exactly what chip they went with but it’s supposed to future proof the Switch 2 for a longer period of time.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
You are lying because T239 has been uncovered by Nintendo and Nvidia shipping data this year. So Switch 2 is going to use it.
@kuramakun84
4 күн бұрын
@@stephkm3655 not officially
@corey2232
4 күн бұрын
All Nvidia employees that have discussed Switch 2 have stated the entire chipset has been finalized since 2022, and Nvidia's work has been all but finished for a couple years. It's the T239 chip. Nothing has changed. It's just taking so long because they've been waiting for Switch 1 sales to slow, have though software ready and launch when currency exchange rates aren't so poor
@kuramakun84
4 күн бұрын
@@corey2232 if you’re wrong Will you come back to this post?
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
@@kuramakun84 What is the new chip then? 8nm is a dead end Samsung node on DUV lithography. A die shrink will neccessitate a complete redesign of the chip. The next Nvidia AI chip isnt releasing until next year. T239 has been finalised since H2 2022 and is probably on 4N(a 5nm variant not the true 4nm). Shipping data has already confirmed it will be used in the Switch 2.
@MrSec84
5 күн бұрын
I think the rumor about the power supply is that it runs at 60 watts, at 80% efficiency would give Switch 2 48 watts docked, Switch 1 went up to 18 watts max, hovering around 15 watts for demanding games like Breath of The Wild. That's quite a big power bump available docked, even if some of that power is for charging the battery and joycons. At least double the available power compared to Switch 1. The battery will likely also be more energy dense for the weight, as Battery tech has had major advancements since 2016 when Switch 1 was revealed.
@dyo_x0
4 күн бұрын
@@MrSec84 yeah i think the battery would be much better , atleast in terms of tech, than the steamdecks since that has a 45w charger - i doubt they went for 60w just to impliment some sort of fast charging. the capacity would probably be alot lower given this is an arm chip and they wanna keep the thing light, probably around 5500-7000maH
@TakisEnjoyer
4 күн бұрын
@@MrSec84 battery is most likely to be 30Wh based on the size of compartment from leaked images. Imo more than enough considering that we know that Nintendo is aiming to have 5-8W TDP during handheld play
@dyo_x0
4 күн бұрын
if we are going off the spec leaks, then we can see that nintendo is basically going all out with the ram (the speed) and the storage speeds. sure , its nintendo so they're very unpredictable, but if the whole gimmick is to make this thing as performant as possible with long battery life and less heat, cheaping out on the chip is the last thing they'd go for. im all in on 4N
@Berserkism
4 күн бұрын
If you want evidence of power efficiency for Samsung look at the A Series Ampere like the A2000. It's all set up for Ampere. I highly doubt you will see TSMC in a Switch especially given the price vs Samsung.
@dyo_x0
4 күн бұрын
@@Berserkism agree with you that its likely Ampere, but if we're still going off leaks then theres Lovelace features sprinkled into this - its a custom chip after all. regarding the price, Nintendo can see this however they want to but in the long run TSMC 4N would be more cost-beneficial since more chips per wafer (they order in bulk)
@ItApproaches
4 күн бұрын
4N? That's so 2000's, Nintendo has always plucked tech from the future my dude, the Switch uses Tetra 4H chips from the year 4088, so Switch 2 could possibly be using something like Garg CX 9's from the year 7003, might be a bit much for Nintendo games, but who knows.
@dyo_x0
3 күн бұрын
@@ItApproaches dang thats it?? cant even do 16k 240fps... not buying
@ItApproaches
3 күн бұрын
@@dyo_x0 Why would we want 16K 240fps? That's going backwards, the absolute best humans can manage to one day obtain which means tech can no longer progress, would be 1p and Infinite fps.
@msf7699
5 күн бұрын
I'm 85% on 4nm, after following the discussion for weeks
@RiqMoran
4 күн бұрын
probably 7nm
@TheGoreforce
4 күн бұрын
as the GPU in the rumor is ampere, it should be 7nm, GA10F is an unreleased ampere mobile GPU. it would be odd if it was shrunk down to the size of their modern 40 series cards. Because it's GA.
@linkszxx
4 күн бұрын
4nm is cope imo
@AlexHonger-fj3nx
4 күн бұрын
Everyone did the same thing with the OG switch... "We have confirmation it's this chip, but we think its going to be this other more powerful chip because that would be nice!!!!" -spoilers, it was the cheaper slower chip all along.
@TheGoreforce
4 күн бұрын
@@AlexHonger-fj3nx here is the thing though, it's only about 40-50% slower than the Series S. Essentially the same as the switch compared to the PS4
@BatteryBee
4 күн бұрын
I think you're right about Switch 2 being a haven for third-parties. One of my small predictions is that EA will bring a Jedi Fallen Order + Survivor double-pack to Switch 2. I think this is one of the driving reasons why they decided to make a last generation version of Jedi Survivor - so the Switch 2 porting process would be much easier.
@corey2232
4 күн бұрын
My predictions: It'll be less performative than a Series S on average, but DLSS could help many ports get within range. I also think it'll be the T239 chipset, 8 nm & be able to upscale to 4k, though most games will be unable to hit that. The only 4k titles I expect to see are remasters of last gen games & smaller AA or indie games. Its GPU may actually match Series S in some titles, but the CPU will hold back frame rates in most 3rd party ports.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
If you expect Series S performance, than it will not be 8nm. The T239 specs don't fit with 8nm without overheat.
@iakona23
5 күн бұрын
I just wish that Nintendo did more frequent hardware revisions during the life of their console generations. Even if they want to keep performance the same, release new models with cooler and more efficient chips, greater battery life.
@hass556
4 күн бұрын
@@iakona23 battery life I understand but they shouldn’t do a pro thing. You want performance to be the same across all the switchs. You don’t want to end up like Xbox series x/s. Rather than making a pro make a new system.
@hi-tych
4 күн бұрын
They may do it for the switch 2. Because they didn't think the switch was gonna be a hit. No one did really.
@dootpls
4 күн бұрын
@@hass556 The series S is in the same echelon of power that the Switch 2 is. It doesn't inherently make dev harder. Especially with more parity in the space very soon.
@Crafty_boy70
4 күн бұрын
They kinda did that with Switch, there was a "V2" model with higher battery life released alongside the Switch Lite, and then the Switch OLED has even better battery than that.
@RiqMoran
4 күн бұрын
me too. a lot of ppl wrongly assume the opposite, but its actually BETTER for us as consumers to have more frequent refreshes otherwise your only option is aging hardware that never gets any cheaper like the Switch.
@corey2232
4 күн бұрын
It's 8 nm, no way they're going 4 nm. When it comes to Nintendo, assume they're going with the more affordable option.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
LPDDR5X RAM was the most expensive option on the market but they choose it. There are also alot of cheaper options for storage but they went for UFS 3.1 256go. They could have also went with basic 10nm, 12nm or 14nm they are cheaper than 8nm. Why would they go with a big 8inch screen? 7 inch is cheaper. Why would they go for a 1080p screen? 720p is cheaper. Why would they go for a bigger battery? A smaller one is cheaper. If 8nm could do what 5nm(4N) could do then it would make sense to go cheaper for the same performance but it can't. I am still waiting for an actual constructive reason how Nvidia/Nintendo accepted going with a huge 1536 cuda cores GPU on 8nm while having to face thermal, size, consumption and performance problems which would have all been solved by using a better node. Even something like 6nm is alot more viable than 8.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
8nm is more expansive than 5nm at the end. With 8nm the machine will consume lots of power and they will need to use a bigger, heavier and more expansive battery, plus a big and louder internal fan, plus more expansive thermal protector, plus more plastic to a better air circulation, plus the Samsung licence to use their node. When you sum up all the costs to 8nm, plus as the problems, like a bigger, heavier and louder device that can burn someone hands, the obvious choice is NOT use 8nm.
@AceA254
4 күн бұрын
I remember when the Switch rumours were at hype and the discussion was if the hardware was gonna use Tegra X1 (20nm) or Tegra X2 (16nm). It seems like that all over again, unfortunately.
@jasonpeterson3860
4 күн бұрын
@@alessandrooliveira3218 Your power consumption and fan noise assumptions presume that Nintendo runs an 8nm chip at high speeds. Experience has shown that they will simply kneecap its portable clocks to solve the engineering issues. I would hope they go in a different direction this time, but their history says otherwise.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
@@AceA254 Noo it is not the same thing. T239 is a fully custom chip so the node choice was made years ago. TX2 wasnt even available until late 2017.
@budge1972
5 күн бұрын
It needs 100% backwards compatibility and ideally an inbuilt ability to run Switch 1 games at higher Res and framerates in docked mode. Games like Bayonetta3 would then run like butter ... Fingers crossed. Docked all the way for me aswell Dave.
@syferz
4 күн бұрын
3:00 It's not quite true that docked, it could use whatever power it wants, we know from the shipping data that the PSU (power brick) for the Switch 2 is just under 60w. Considering an 80% efficiency, you are looking at 47w, this is max power draw with USB devices plugged in, and charging the device, which if it's limited to 18w for charging, and at least 5w for USB devices, you walk away with just 24w, this is still the MAXIMUM the PSU can draw, which seems unlikely for Nintendo to go this route, the actual power draw the console is likely to use is probably 20w. We know from the Orin power tools software, that 470MHz drew about 5w, pushing that to ~900MHz is going to cost you nearly 15w for just the GPU, this is ~2.75TFLOPs.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
These people dont know what they are talking about.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
You are wrong. The Orin power tools software at 470MHz is 15w, not 5. The number of SM is 12 and CUDA is 1536. A dock mode would consume a lot more than 30W if the chip is made on 8nm, what, even on dock mode it not working. More a point to "not 8nm".
@syferz
4 күн бұрын
@@alessandrooliveira3218 I know the chip isn't 8nm, however I am not talking about the entire power draw of Orin, just the GPU power draw.
@syferz
4 күн бұрын
@@alessandrooliveira3218 You can also just look at RTX 3050 6GB which is a 70w card with 6GB of GDDR6 memory and a 1470MHz clock. It doesn't even have a plug for extra power, it draws everything off of the board and is 6.7TFLOPs, on 8nm. No, Orin's GPU alone with a 12SM config at 470MHz, does not draw 15w, that is silly.
@Elchinodawn
4 күн бұрын
Then we know is not a 8nm chip, in the nvidia leak the frecuency in portable mode for the gpu was around 660mhz at 5w, 1150mhz at 9w and 1380mhz at 12w, so clearly nintendo reworked the chip
@lyconxero457
4 күн бұрын
Something that no one seems to be talking about is the fact that in order to die shrink a chip to a new node you DO have to re-create it for that node which would involve testing, of which we have seen NOTHING. All of the test info that has leaked about T239 was for 8nm and we've seen absolutely nothing else despite everyone being eagle-eyed about anything and everything Switch 2 related right now. By comparison, we saw the testing info about the Mariko 16nm Tegra X1 revision chip well before it was seen in the Red Box Switch and Switch Lite. The other big thing to consider as far as the process node goes is availability. You have to realize that TSMC's nodes are in high demand and I would imagine that Nintendo would incur extra cost if they needed to secure an ample supply of chips on that node with them which I don't believe is factored into your cost analysis. There's also the possibility that TSMC simply wouldn't be able to produce the kind of supply that Nintendo would need for their new console on such a cutting edge node. By comparison, the Samsung 8nm node is being used by almost nothing ATM so Nintendo will likely get it for incredibly cheap. Really, I think that TSMC is likely out of the picture completely ATM and if Switch 2 uses any other node aside from Samsung's 8nm it will be a different node made by them. My HOPE is that they snag one of Samsung's 6nm or 5nm nodes for cheap as then Nintendo wouldn't need to fight every other tech company in existence over TSMC's 4nm and it would still be much better than 8nm but until I see some updated chip testing info I won't assume anything other than the fact that it could still be on Samsung's 8nm as that's what Ampere was built on to begin with.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
The leaked tests are NOT on 8nm. On these tests are not the node, but they have the consume number: 4.2W on 660MHz. If you pick the orin power consume tool and try to simulate that result, the consume is above 30W, not even close to the 4.2W from that test. That alone proof its not a 8nm chip. About TSMC, they will have a open space for 5nm chips, since Nvidia is moving to 4nm for they new black belt cards. What company can use those 5nm that Nvidia will not use anymore?
@86RSJag
4 күн бұрын
Playing switch handheld in 2017 ruined my hands for life. Carpal tunnel. Rocket league specifically. Now I can only play docked.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
tabletop mode?
@jordankelly4684
4 күн бұрын
Sounds like you deserve it for playing such a stupid game
@HereIgoAgain881
4 күн бұрын
Get the Retroflag or Mobapad HD, since I have them can play portable continuous hours!
@denisn8336
4 күн бұрын
I beat ultra nightmare in doom eternal on the switch handheld mode with stock joy cons 2 years ago and it messed my hands for a solid week. Never doing that again
@solonepeon5805
5 күн бұрын
Thanks for the exciting news, SMD64. Regarding the dock graphics part since I still use the mclassic & 4kgamepro on my Switch, Wii U etc I'll do a test run on the Switch 2 to see if by any chance it will make it better using it. If I see that the Switch 2 itself looks better without it, then I'll be very happy. Then watch the creators off both mclassic & 4kgamepro make a v2 for the Switch 2 to take advantage of the new stuff Switch 2 has. Damn can't believe Nin is still going strong & kicking butt 😂👍. Anyway, I noticed at 3:19 a nice song playing in the video. Do you have the names to them as I would love to listen to them, thanks.
@renatoramos8834
4 күн бұрын
We factually know it can't be 8nm since early 2022.
@dyo_x0
4 күн бұрын
@@renatoramos8834 wait, how do we know it can't be?
@Baiano29
4 күн бұрын
@@renatoramos8834 why factually? I do agree that this discussion is moot, like someone posted here, the gap between portable and docked can't be too great, so 4nm is the only logical choice.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
@@dyo_x0 The leak they Switch 2 has 12 SM. That is is o lot of processor for a small device. If they choose 8nm, is better use 6 SM instead and have some similar performance with a lot less cost for Nintendo. But instead, the chip has 1536 Cudas and 12 SM, so, a small node is necessary to full take advantage of that architecture.
@renatoramos8834
4 күн бұрын
@@Baiano29 Because in early 2022 there was a huge leak of Nvidia's full roadmap for the near future. The leak included T239 details such as it having 12 SMs. Nvidia confirmed the leaked documents to be true. And since 12 SMs on 8nm is so terribly ineficient that it would actually be cheaper to go 8 SMs at higher clocks, we do factually know 8nm to be an impossibility for the Switch 2.
@dyo_x0
4 күн бұрын
@@alessandrooliveira3218 yeah im with u on that
@carlodotson9793
4 күн бұрын
Man, those ports are really gonna fill out the Switch 2's lineup. I'm excited and can't wait to see the games running on it.
@JesseGast
5 күн бұрын
Watching now. Already thumbs upped my friend. Did you see the new vr/ar patent ?
@SuperMetalDave64
5 күн бұрын
I did, but you know Nintendo, they may never use it or they might use it for some side project on Switch 2. Remember Labo?
@ArouzedLamp
5 күн бұрын
3 PM my body is ready
@sgomez8194
3 күн бұрын
I hope they go with 4nm
@jimrip13
3 күн бұрын
Chip architectures usually are designed with a specific node in mind. Nvidia Ampered was on 8nm from Samsung (the gpus) but also on 7nm TSMC (AI versions). The difference in density between those two is much bigger than the number suggests. TSMC 7nm is way better. 8nm from Samsung is practically an improvement over their 10nm process. Now the rumoured chip for Switch 2 also has ARM A78c cpus. I have only seen those in Snapdragon chip that were manufactured in 5nm LPE from Samsung. So the most straightforward choice would be either TSMC’s 7nm or Samsung’s 5nm LPE. Samsung has good relations with Nintendo and are eager for some wins for their fabs. They probably could offer a very good price for it. Both choices though are very good for Nintendo. Since they are not the most advanced and not in high demand chips (4 and 3nm are the hottest) Nintendo can secure a big production line and at a fair price. Performance wise, both will be much better than 8nm with a decent battery life and normal thermals. If I were to bet, I would say that the Samsung’s 5nm LPE will be the manufacturing process of Switch 2 chip
@dyo_x0
3 күн бұрын
yeah i was doing some of my own research, 4nm would be the BEST case scenario, but that probably wont be on the table. Similarly to how Nintendo was given a few options from NVIDIA on whether they wanted a more performant Lovelace-based SOC or a cheaper ORIN-based SOC with some lovelace features, Nintendo went for the less expensive option (according to Moores law is dead's NVIDIA sources). I feel like Nintendo was also given those couple options, whether to stick with the 8nm from 2022, or switch to Samsung 5nm or TSMC 7nm. its hard to tell whether they struck a deal and got samsung 5nm, or went for tsmc (less likely).
@HeatherVioletNoble
4 күн бұрын
Hopefully they'll add more third party , games that the current switch miss3d out on, they'll bring it to the next switch
@ItApproaches
3 күн бұрын
If you buy a Nintendo system for third parties, you're gaming wrong lol. They are nice to have sure, so far the only ones I can think of that would be great on Switch 2, are BG3, and Monster Hunter Wilds.
@ItApproaches
4 күн бұрын
You think Switch 2 games will natively be like 720p or 900p? I don't know about that. 1080p is where Nintendo will keep it.
@eljuli1003
4 күн бұрын
Any info about the cartridges?
@cyrus8886
4 күн бұрын
I assume they'll do what they did with the ds to 3ds Switch 1 cartridges can fit in switch 2 but switch 2 cartridges can't fit in switch 1
@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny
4 күн бұрын
the only thign we have are the patents that show cartridges similar to 3ds one, were they have an extra memory space for updates the games may have.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
3D V-NAND cards, up to 2.0 gigabits per second and really big storage (1TB, but probably Nintendo will use 128GB at max). the card reader is 100% compatible with Switch 1 cards too.
@Yusei255
2 күн бұрын
@@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny an update or DLC can not be written onto a game catridge after it has released. so that's not gonna happen.
@teejay8212
4 күн бұрын
great video. agreed with everything you said. I personally believe Nvidia might of even invested or ate the cost of the chip used in switch 2 as a strong advertising stance against AMD.
@shawnd4415
Күн бұрын
What if..they gave us the choice? 8nano or 4nano depending upon how you want the play? Just like the Xbox Series S/X.
@Tomtycoon
4 күн бұрын
There is so much focus on the hardware, but I am more interested in what new games Nintendo is working on! Isn't that what it's all about? They always make the best of whatever hardware they have.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
A better hardware can allow more third party games to be ported to it with a good quality. More than that, can allow Nintendo to make more impressive games.
@denisn8336
4 күн бұрын
Hardware is important and I’m sick of Nintendo skimping over it
@alessandrooliveira3218
3 күн бұрын
@@denisn8336 they don't skip with Switch 1. If you look, there are not better or stronger portable device than switch on first half of 2017. If nintendo try to do the same now, it will be a really stronger device.
@Tomtycoon
3 күн бұрын
@@denisn8336 Nintendo Be 'Skimping'!
@captainthunderbolt7541
4 күн бұрын
AMD was involved with bidding for the Switch 2 contract, and Nintendo specifically went with Nvidia instead because Nvidia's proposal was better for battery life - so battery life was a priority, and I think we will be getting at least 2.5 hours in the most demanding 3D games.
@D2Kprime
4 күн бұрын
When it comes to Nintendo, just when you think you've got all the answers they change the questions, and the only thing for sure is that nothing's for sure.
@VendettaMassive
4 күн бұрын
I cant wait to play assasins creed odyssey, mirage, Valhalla and Shadows on switch 2.
@iamnotkurtcobain
3 күн бұрын
@@VendettaMassive do you think we get Assassin's Creed Odyssee/Origins for Switch 2?
@VendettaMassive
3 күн бұрын
@@iamnotkurtcobain YES Ubisolf loves Nintendo and the Ceo himself said he would be supporting switch 2...when every other 3rd publisher don't put their games on Nintendo system you can count on Ubisolf
@Yusei255
2 күн бұрын
*cloud version* cos your never getting them physically.
@Yusei255
2 күн бұрын
@@VendettaMassive count on ubisoft. *LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO*
@VendettaMassive
2 күн бұрын
@@Yusei255 WHY would those games come to switch 2 as cloud version dumb dumb? Better if u said digital only but cloud version?
@jarde1989
4 күн бұрын
Nintendo is going with 8nm for the sole purpose of saving 4nm for a refresh and using better battery as the selling point
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
8nm is Samsung DUV lithography and 4nm is EUV lithography whether on TSMC or Samsung. They will have to spend a ton to redesign the chip to change lithographies. It is not the same as the move from 20nm to 16nm of the TX1.
@dyo_x0
4 күн бұрын
@@jarde1989 why would the purposefully sabotage their launch window for third party support by being inconsistent with their handheld/docked performance, just so they can hold out on a refresh?
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
wrong. They will start with TSMC 4N (5nm) and, some time later move to TSMC true 4nm.
@enriquepinero707
4 күн бұрын
Great points and video as always. Unlike some other speculators, you always break it down with the reasoning behind the specs and possible parts. It is actually more favorable the longer Nintendo took to finally comit to assembling and revealing this thing, even up to the 11th hour; the more likely a previously expensive option for a chip (or a better new one); could likely be chosen. At the end of the day; I know they are going to calibrate and optimize this thing for at least 3 hour battery life in triple A titles and less limits in dock performance. Anything better would be most welcome (at least 5 -6 hours like the OLED)but this seems to be the likely thinking they have going on.
@BroHazeman
4 күн бұрын
Switch 2 so impressive 👏. Can't wait !!!
@yogawithlandon
4 күн бұрын
As long as it can run MH Wilds I'll be stoked!
@AJChalk
4 күн бұрын
I'm right there with you, brother. Been huffing the hopium since the first announcement trailer.
@yogawithlandon
4 күн бұрын
@AJChalk right! MH rise on switch was so much fun! I'd rather buy the new switch console to play it than something else.
@crazymallets
3 күн бұрын
Same. MH wilds and Final Fantasy will be two big factors in my buying decision.
@hamstergt1869
3 күн бұрын
Monster Hunter Wilds -- My battery pack is ready.
@Yusei255
2 күн бұрын
running MH Wilds *LOLOLOL* Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
@mr.maxwell4955
7 сағат бұрын
Is this strong enough to play third-party games
@TakisEnjoyer
4 күн бұрын
They decided on hardware for it around 2020, so while 4nm could be a better choice now, I really don't think this means they'll jump on it so late into console development
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
The console start the development at the same time as Ada Lovelace cards. All Adas uses 5nm.
@TakisEnjoyer
3 күн бұрын
@@alessandrooliveira3218 the CPU made exclusively for the Switch 2 (to this day never used In any other device) was launched in 2020 so I think it's safe to say that this is where it entered active development. 2 years before Ada cards, and while they use 5nm, it's difficult to compare a graphics cards where even the cheapest one costs nearly as much as the console itself. Anyway I would love for it to be 5nm, but for now can't be sure with everything else we know. I guess we'll see next year.
@alessandrooliveira3218
3 күн бұрын
@@TakisEnjoyer the chip that will be on switch 2 was finish on 2022. It's the leaked T239, a custom chip made exclusive for Nintendo and is half Ampere and Half Ada Lovelace. It's not launched because it is a exclusive Nintendo product. By the way, the memory on Switch 2 is LPDDR5X, that is not compatible with nodes bigger than 5nm.
@timiperealbert
3 күн бұрын
Everyone is assuming Nintendo might do things like they've always done. But the company has undergone some major restructuring since Iwata's passing and the Switch 2 will be the first console from this new Nintendo company. So I think it's safe to expect a very powerful console especially with competition from Steam Deck and the likes.
@Charlymander
4 күн бұрын
If 8nm is indeed more expensive to produce, then Nintendo will simply choose the cheaper option. Back in Switch one they chose Tegra 20nm because it was cheaper. Nintendo doesnt do unexpected stuff just because.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
What other chip in Nvidia portfolio was better than the Tegra X1 in early 2017?
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
Very wrong, they don't choose 20nm, the chip is already done at 20nm, Nintendo only choose the chip, not the internals. Its very different than T239 that is a custom chip made from scratch to Nintendo with the configs Nintendo want.
@Runfeel
4 күн бұрын
Tegra x2@@stephkm3655
@chinogambino9375
4 күн бұрын
I bet they are using 8nm, its cheap and better than 16nm which are spitting out Mariko socs to this day. Nintendo do not care about the battery life or performance of the Switch 2, they will clock it down to hell to claw back battery life so they can keep the margins using 8nm dies. Since its made by Samsung no one else will be using the node, there won't be any competition for wafer allocation and TSMCs prices are set to go up next year.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
Nintendo paid for Nvidia create a custom chip with the power they want to use. The config of 12 SM and 1536 CUDA cores on a 8nm chip don't work for a portable device. It can consume more than 30 Watts, what is more the battery of 20Wh they will use. Right now, Nvidia is moving to TSMC 5nm to TSMC 4nm, and these 5nm they have will be used by Nintendo instead.
@thomastanczos6375
5 күн бұрын
Awesome video game thank you for everything you do I've been with you since your website in the days of the wiu
@Oryon7
4 күн бұрын
Good video. The one problem with your analysis is the assumption that dock mode would meet your expectations regardless of node. In theory, it sounds logical - just run the dock mode's power until you hit the ceiling. Problem is that Nintendo CANNOT afford to have a massive gap between the two modes. Portable mode MUST be able to provide the same BASE performance. Image quality can always scale. Also, if Nintendo is forced to clock thr GPU very low in portable mode, trying to accomplish a low enough power draw may result in them running the GPU BELOW the efficiency point in portable mode (a point at which you get less performance per watt than at higher frequency). From there, upping the GPU clocks by 2x won't get you anywhere close to the docked performance you expect( and as stated, they can't make the gap too wide) Long story short: Portable mode will ultimately dictate the docked performance. But, it's all the more reeason why Nintendo would opt for 4nm.
@vivid8979
4 күн бұрын
This. Such very good points laid down.. Alot of discussions usually boils down to": "Handheld 900-1080p" "Docked will use DLSS to upscale 4K" Like people are overestimating DLSS and thinks like it will work like magic that can upscale games to 4k for "Free". All the info we have in regards to how DLSS work is contained with high-end GPUs with high abundance of Tensor cores. GPUs that can already run 4K to begin with. Meanwhile the T239 just contain enough to be able to do it AND STILL it'll not be in the same frequency as the PC counter-part.. Also I very dislike how people throws the "Docked will be 4K" when even the PS5 struggles to do so and yes T239's potential DLSS capability is not the solution to it. Even if Nintendo decides to OC T239, it will barely hit that mark and targeting and optimizing for 1440p is IMHO the better choice right here..
@Oryon7
4 күн бұрын
@@vivid8979DLSS has a fixed cost on tensor cores, so it's not necessarily pointless to examine how the feature works on high performance PCs. I don't know what the threshold is for what level of upscaling is possible on a device like Switch 2, but even older cards with less advanced tensor cores than what Switch 2 will be based on (Ampere 3rd-gen cores), are still able to upscale to 4K, from 720p. Digital Foundry measured a frame time of about 18 ms, on the Ampere-based RTX 2050. It won't get you to 4K-60 out of every game, but it's a 4K output nonetheless. Games that run at an internal 1080p may have an easier time hitting 60 fps. DLSS becomes more computationally demanding the wider the gap between input and output resolutions are. Too wide a gap means that tensor cores have too little information to work with in order to adequately "fill in" the missing pixels. So you are limited more so by PRACTICALITY than you are by the actual performance of the tensor cores. I do agree that a 1440p upscaled output may be the sweet spot for Switch 2 games, especially exclusives.
@ItApproaches
3 күн бұрын
Nintendo could have a gap between portable mode and docked mode, I wouldn't care. Honestly that wouldn't be any different then PS5 with it's performance and resolution mode. You would have a high quality system for docked, and a weaker version experience for portability. Logically that makes sense. If they were both to be the same quality, that means either both are not going to be as good as the people want, or the system is way to much to make both run high. This is the problem with the hybrid model, you can't have the best of home console and handheld system unless it's very expensive. Meaning it's doomed to be 50% of both, meaning you get a compromise, and the thing about compromise is, it means nobody gets what they want lol.
@Oryon7
3 күн бұрын
@@ItApproaches Having a gap is the whole point of having two seperate power profiles. Notice I said "Too large of a gap." Nintendo will avoid having too large of a gap because they could end up in a Series X/S situation where the portable mode just can't pull off the same experience as docked mode, despite already dropping to a lower resolution. Ideally, Nintendo would want feature-parity regardless of mode. No reduced frame rates, lower crowd density, cutting of ray-tracing in potable mode, etc (like many Series S games do in order to run Series X games). A seamless process Switching back and forth is the allure of the Switch concept - something Nintendo executed very well. That's what Switch 2 must be able to do almost flawlessly. A massive gap between modes = missing the entire point.
@ItApproaches
3 күн бұрын
@@Oryon7 True, they aren't going with 4K in Docked and 720p handheld. But I could see 900p handheld, 1080p docked. Or 1440p Docked and 1080p handheld.
@FastLineGaming
5 күн бұрын
I can’t wait.
@forestnews5949
18 сағат бұрын
If they go with 8nm, they will probably be able to produce systems quicker.
@taemeister9302
Күн бұрын
I want a Switch 2 with the power of Ps5. One can dream of RDR 2 on a switch
@ThaCyNiQ
4 күн бұрын
These specs are incorrect. They have been grossly inflated.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
What do you know?
@ItApproaches
4 күн бұрын
Agree, I wont be playing Switch 2 in handheld mode much. Not unless the system's shape is a lot better, like the Wii U gamepad, that was comfortable to hold. A flat tablet like the Switch is not comfortable at all.
@kzxkzxkzx
3 күн бұрын
Nvidia only makes the designs, not the chips themselves. It is therefore irrelevant whether Nintendo has a ‘deal’ with Nvidia regarding 4 or 8 nm. The whole thing will be manufactured by TSMC or possibly Samsung anyway.
@jacklawsen6390
4 күн бұрын
I really don't care if Switch 2's hardware is competitive with PS5. I just find the idea of bean counters crippling a piece of hardware and wasting efficiency to save a little money stupid and annoying. Besides, if it runs better, it's more likely to get good ports, and it can get better battery life, both of which can help increase sales.
@Rahul016-d6k
5 күн бұрын
I like such quality analysis
@vijaydizzle
4 күн бұрын
Getting cautiously excited! Hope Nintendo doesnt go over 400eus...
@georged7627
4 күн бұрын
I’m happy with the current Switch for the rest of this year 🙏🏽
@mr.smart75
4 күн бұрын
I do think October 11th.
@MegaGoat
4 күн бұрын
You could be seeing it 7nm or 5nm. I see no business benefit to Nintendo revealing anything this year, and expect to hear something in January.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
5nm it is. There is a nomenclature error. T239 is expected to be on "4N" which is a custom 5nm TSMC variant for Nvidia products(like the Lovelace GPUs) and not the true 4nm("N4") process. Yes it is confusing. People just keep saying 4nm. 4nm is the process used in high end phones like the S23 and S24.
@MegaGoat
3 күн бұрын
With yield rates being so good with 4N, it would be the best for everyone. I WANT TO BELIEVE
@DivineOassis
4 күн бұрын
I play og switch mostly in potable mode. I love playing dragons dogma 2 on series x I absolutely wouldn’t mind a downgraded version to play on the go
@kuricosmos
4 күн бұрын
I'd temper expectations, the 8nm process, the LPDDR5X ram, is still no GDDR6 for whatever you want to say about the Series S, Dave. That little man works wonders and has a CPU that's way more capable than the Arm 78C. Honestly, the CPU for Switch 2 is the real problem. There's better ARM chips and configurations. Nintendo might have honestly been better off using Exynos and having Nvidia provide a custom GPU with DLSS, rather than using the full solution from NVIDIA themselves.
@thearguenaut3187
4 күн бұрын
yeah dave I just cant wonder if this the leaks about t239 and everything we heard about it was nothing more than a front by nintendo. Including the whole supposed amd and nvidia bidding war. Also including that nvidia devs saying the chip was done since 2022. This whole thing makes me wonder if nintendo and only selected devs at nvidia secretly develop some other chip behind every one else back including some nvidia employees.
@jdarg4163
4 күн бұрын
Apparently they are using 4 nanometre the new Samsung technology
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
Where have you seen that?
@Yusei255
2 күн бұрын
fake.
@trondialsingh594
16 сағат бұрын
8nm is cheaper. you looking at performance as a great deal, nintendo want cheapest console they cant make
@FatihBerberr
5 күн бұрын
New fan here🎉🤟
@sinchman1
5 күн бұрын
October 17th
@jjdilla9848
5 күн бұрын
How you know?
@dyo_x0
4 күн бұрын
nah not same day as Jamboree. maybe the same week
@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny
4 күн бұрын
october 10 according to the ps5 pro leaker
@dyo_x0
4 күн бұрын
@@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny who is the "ps5 pro leaker" ?
@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny
4 күн бұрын
@@dyo_x0 argh, i dont really remember its name, i heard it from a spanish channel (nintenleaks) who talk about him tldr: he said that the ps5 pro would be announced the week after apple's own announcement in september. and also stating that the thing would launch the first week of november. that was said in april, mind you
@bananachild1936
4 күн бұрын
I think instead of DLSS, Nintendo's gonna be using their own proprietary upscaling technology. I'm no software or hardware engineer but from my knowlegde isn't DLSS a _pretty_ power (battery) consuming process to really kick in? Then there's that patent (or really just rumor I don't know) about Nintendo R&D'ing their own custom upscaling technology and whatnot a year or few months ago. Or maybe it's gonna be a hybrid between Nintendo's and NVIDIA's upscaling tech. I don't know I'm an idiot.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
On Nvidia leak, there are a test where they set the T239 at 660 MHz and use DLSS to archive 1080p. The total consume power of that test was only 4.2 Watts. So, DLSS is more than possible to be used on that device.
@zezizezseze7544
5 күн бұрын
Its Nintendo,they dont gona for 4nm..they will just had more cooling solution and using the cpu and gpu at lower clocks and that way use the cheaper 8nm chip.
@tails300
4 күн бұрын
The 8 nanometer version is more expensive to produce surprisingly. They’ll opt for the cheaper 4 nanometer process as well as future proofing the hardware.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
You just said it. "Using more cooling". That also increases the price. Also, Nintendo isnt designing the chip, so they dont choose the node, Nvidia is. Nvidia will choose the appropriate node for Nintendo's targets. If Nintendo was okay with 1h battery life, 8nm it is. Also underclocking the chip to hell doesnt make sense on a custom chip where you can control the core count. They could have just reduced the number of cores, ran them at normal speeds for the same performance with a smaller and cheaper chip.
@lastfriday8560
3 күн бұрын
19th or the 21st be saying
@guillaumefigarella1704
5 күн бұрын
samsung foundry is literally at the edge of the cliff, i'm pretty sure they see switch 2 being an 8nm samsung made chip has a quasi messianic event, nintendo will get those chips for a ridiculously cheap price, way cheaper than what that not very new study could predict, its just way too obvious, nintendo is getting those sweet t239 for a third of what tsmc could offer, samsung get to bet on switch 2 popularity and hope to manufacture a lot of chips on what is a relatively old and inneficient (ie profitable) process node that was their last great hoorah (ie they produced the geforce 3000 on it, there is a lot of un used capacity), its an obvious win win situation why pretend like its not desirable? they wont make the 399 mark with a 4nm chip
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
Samsung 8nm is too old (10 years old). The 20nm chip was only 3 years old when Nintendo use it on Switch 1. Nintendo will not use a outdated tech with horrible consome, very troublesome produce line and not compatible with the hardware they ask Nvidia to create only to try save some bucks. The final expanse can be higher than choose a smaller node.
@guillaumefigarella1704
4 күн бұрын
@@alessandrooliveira3218 hey dude, pretty long post on process node and nintendo's philosophy so samsung 8nm is the cheapest node per transistor on the market, the study discussed in this video is either outdated or plain wrong, S8nm is old and not expected to move any unit in the next few years (ie: cheap) just like 20nm was for switch, the crappy node that everyone fled from but that had tons of capacity available (ie: cheap) the switch 2 will feature a cost optimized orin chip, which itself is an nvidia ampere chip, based on samsung 8nm, its a perfect match for nintendo, its already compatible with the chip they have no need to backport the design to a new node (ie: cheap) it will be slow, which literally no one caresfor, the chip has been done for years, if they feared the device being obsolete it would have released in 2020, the game will be amazing just like on switch, no need to invent fantasies about 4nm, and i already expect it to cost 399 considering the yen exchange and PS5 Pro situation I find the part about nintendo not being comfortable with a how old their process node is on their basically brand new to them Ampere chip particularly hilarious The company that released the wii u with three 32 bit power pc 750 ducked tape together? its literally three gamecubes ducked taped together this is not a figurative view its what it is, literally a chip first released in 1997 with more cache, also released on the obsolete at the time 45nm process that whole 4nm hopium situation is embarassing it was the same thing in 2017 with the "modified x1 chip" with everyone being like "its sure going to be 16nm, 20nm is shite", and in 2012 with the espresso clock and whole POWER7 based shenanigans, just stop hurting yourselves its fine like that
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
@@guillaumefigarella1704 The difference of Switch 1 to Switch 2 is that, the first use a already existent chip, the Tegra X1. The other will use a completely new chip, create to Nintendo needs, the T239. The X1 already was done, with 20nm and lots of things Nintendo don't need. The T239 is brand new with only things Nintendo ask Nvidia to put on it. And now the talk start: if you see what was leaked by T239, you get impressed. It have 1536 Cuda cores, 12 SM, 12 GB LPDDR5X, 12 RT Cores and go on. The test leaked shows Nintendo can run it a 660MHZ (2 Tflops) on portable mode and it consume only 4.2W. So, why that impressive machine can't be on 8nm? because a orin on 8nm consume 30+ Watts on 660MHz, not 4. The 12 SM make it more expansive and useless at 8nm. Nintendo would choose use 6 SM to be cheap. And more, the LPDDR5X memory is not compatible with 8NM. More than that? 8nm cost less than 5nm, but it use more waffles and space. The 5nm use only 60% of the space, so less expansive in the end. There is no dream, 8nm, for what we know about Switch 2, will not be possible. Don't matter how cheap it is, T239 are not make to work with 8nm.
@RiqMoran
4 күн бұрын
i HIGHLY doubt that nintendo would go with a 4nm process because its only a couple years old. so i will make the not so bold prediction that nintendo will use something older, as they always do.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
Nintendo isnt designing the chip, so they dont choose the node, Nvidia is. Nvidia will choose the appropriate node for Nintendo's targets. If Nintendo was okay with 1h battery life, 8nm it is. Also underclocking the chip to hell doesnt make sense on a custom chip where you can control the core count. The GPU is huge for 8nm, they could have just reduced the number of cores, ran them at normal speeds for the same performance with a smaller and cheaper chip.
@RiqMoran
4 күн бұрын
@@stephkm3655 Nintendo picks what they pay. therefore, they pick what they get. That is what I'm saying.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
@@RiqMoran Yes but if Nintendo made Nvidia to choose 8nm, they would have also gone for a smaller and CHEAPER GPU that actually made sense for 8nm because the actual GPU is HUGE for 8nm.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
Also dont forget 8nm demands a more expensive cooling solution and a bigger more expensive battery on top of giving less chips per wafer. In the long term 5nm will be cheaper. Also there is a nomenclature error. T239 is expected to be on "4N" which is a custom 5nm variant for Nvidia products(like the Lovelace GPUs) and not the true 4nm("N4") process. Yes it is confusing.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
You are right. Nintendo is not using 4nm chip. They are using TSMC 4N that is a 5nm. Nvidia move to true 4nm on their blackbelt new cards and open space to Nintendo use the old but good 5nm.
@salvatorecacchillo8440
5 күн бұрын
🎉
@markportch
5 күн бұрын
I think switch 2 will be first ever Nintendo games device that Will brigde the games cap between sony/Microsofts current gen consoles and partly there next gen.Switch 2 will still hold itd head up high when ps6,Xbox x2.More important id switch 2 will be alot cheaper to make games for come next gen.only things im worried about id joycons😮
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
Gamecube?
@santronbenjamin5783
4 күн бұрын
GTA is the only theirs party game that matters. If they don’t get that then 🤷🏾♂️
@dyo_x0
3 күн бұрын
@@santronbenjamin5783 it'll be cool, but JRPGs are gonna be the major third party seller
@santronbenjamin5783
3 күн бұрын
@@dyo_x0 I disagree. The new GTA will be the best selling third party game year over year for maybe the next 10 years. Just look at the sales of the last game. This is the most important third party game for them to get for sales, along with COD. Switch is riddled with JRPG games.
@dyo_x0
3 күн бұрын
@@santronbenjamin5783 we're talking about the switch 2 specifically. It dosnt NEED gta 6, it'll ofc boost sales, but the jrpg third party support with games like final fantasy, monster hunter, atlus etc. are what'll strive and target this platform
@santronbenjamin5783
3 күн бұрын
@@dyo_x0 honestly, you aren’t wrong just you have a Micro viewpoint. My viewpoint is Macro. I want a console that no matter the type of third party game I want to play ITS AVAILABLE! I just think it’s short sided to say its doesn’t need GTA. No it does, along with COD, madden, etc.
@dyo_x0
3 күн бұрын
@@santronbenjamin5783 its completely feasible, would love to see GTA. I mean if its coming to Series S then that pretty much confirms that Rockstar and Take Two just need to put the effort into the port. COD's already confirmed cuz the contract, and yeah those kinda sports games FC25,madden,Nba etc. will definitely make it. just not the first reason you'd buy a nintendo console, but its exciting that third party support will be much more present this time round
@HoboWithAShotgun
4 күн бұрын
Its gonna be 8nm lets be honest here
@Runfeel
4 күн бұрын
@@HoboWithAShotgun I think so too
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
Why? Nintendo isnt designing the chip, so they dont choose the node, Nvidia is. Nvidia will choose the appropriate node for Nintendo's targets. If Nintendo was okay with 1h battery life, 8nm it is. Also underclocking the chip to hell doesnt make sense on a custom chip where you can control the core count. The GPU is huge for 8nm, they could have just reduced the number of cores, ran them at normal speeds for the same performance with a smaller and cheaper chip.
@HoboWithAShotgun
4 күн бұрын
@@stephkm3655 I'll be honest, I'm not a tech guy... At all. I just heard if 8 is cheaper than 4, then Nintendo will do that. I hope you're right but they don't take losses on their systems.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
The Switch 2 configs are 1536 CUDA cores and 12 SM. Put it on a orin consume tool (that calculate consume at 8nm) and you get the minimal of 15+ Watts of GPU alone. Switch 1 uses 7Watts for the ENTIRE device. The entire device can past 20watts on 8nm and the leak of console shows a 20wh battery on it. So, do you really think Nintendo will make a new portable that battery long last than 1 hour? No make sense at all. On 5nm they can make the entire device consome 8W and last for 2.5 hours what is very similar to the first Switch.
@josiahsuarez
5 күн бұрын
Corrupt xbots hate gamers and only want us to suffer :(
@FelipeEscobar86
4 күн бұрын
The super Nintendo switch will still underperform compared to competition. Still buying though.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
If the competition you reffer is Steam Deck and Rog Ally, then no.
@kzxkzxkzx
3 күн бұрын
There is about a 0.03 % chance that the SoC will be 4nm.
@Appsmmogamer
4 күн бұрын
I keep saying this over and over they are not going to cannibalize their Christmas sales. January at the earliest. Unless someone completely leaks it online with a complete console it's not happening before then.
@Yusei255
2 күн бұрын
and if its BS, it wont really be cannibalizing sales, since ppl know they can still play them on the next system.
@dili25
3 күн бұрын
"a beast in dock mode" .... Dude, you know nothing (ATM) about the next nintendo system. You just can't claim that !!!!
@horlanservia
5 күн бұрын
I dont see them using 4 nm.. it does not sound like Nintendo… maybe a hardware rev 2 or 3 years down
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
Nintendo isnt designing the chip, so they dont choose the node, Nvidia is. Nvidia will choose the appropriate node for Nintendo's targets. If Nintendo was okay with 1h battery life, 8nm it is. Also underclocking the chip to hell doesnt make sense on a custom chip where you can control the core count. They could have just reduced the number of cores, ran them at normal speeds for the same performance with a smaller and cheaper chip.
@horlanservia
4 күн бұрын
@@stephkm3655 we all know Nintendo is not making the chip.. but they are paying for it. Doubt that a 4nm chip will be cheaper than the 8nm variant… 4nm sounds too cutting edge for Nintendo but if I’m wrong then great.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
@@horlanservia Yes but if Nintendo made Nvidia to choose 8nm, they would have also gone for a smaller and CHEAPER GPU that actually made sense for 8nm because the actual GPU is HUGE for 8nm.
@stephkm3655
4 күн бұрын
@@horlanservia Also dont forget 8nm demands a more expensive cooling solution and a bigger more expensive battery on top of giving less chips per wafer. In the long term 5nm will be cheaper. Also there is a nomenclature error. T239 is expected to be on "4N" which is a custom 5nm variant for Nvidia products(like the Lovelace GPUs) and not the true 4nm("N4") process. Yes it is confusing.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
You are right. Nintendo is not using 4nm chip. They are using TSMC 4N that is a 5nm. Nvidia move to true 4nm on their blackbelt new cards and open space to Nintendo use the old but good 5nm.
@PatatexJok3rZ
5 күн бұрын
That sounds too fucking small of a APU
@StiffAftermath
4 күн бұрын
Hall effect analog sticks this time or this is a no go for me. No more spending $300 on damn controllers.
@Tass...
5 күн бұрын
The fact it's reported to have 2 fans heavily suggests it's 8nm. 4nm it would be 1 fan.
@rubenjorge13
5 күн бұрын
Why?
@PolitiClank
5 күн бұрын
@@rubenjorge13 It is incredibly unusual for Nintendo to go for a cutting edge process, and bulky, noisy machines are not popular in Japan; Nintendo would not put two fans into the machine if they had splurged on a 4nm process in the machine, as they would use the increased efficiency to cut out the fan. (That is of course ignoring the possibility that the second fan is in the dock; a fan there is likely, but it could be number 3 not fan number 2.)
@Tass...
4 күн бұрын
@@rubenjorge13 A 4nm SOC when underlocked (which Nintendo will do) wouldn't need 2 fans. The extra heat that 8nm produces would. Think Nintendo trying to keep the Switch 2 cost to a family-friendly price point and their R&D goes to the boardroom with the costs and say... We can go with the much more expensive 4nm or we can go with 8nm stick an extra fan in it and get the same performance for the cost of a cheap fan. Which do you think (knowing all we know about Nintendo) Nintendo would pick?
@joaoqgrossi
4 күн бұрын
It would make sense on docked mode to have the 2 fans.
@Tass...
4 күн бұрын
@@joaoqgrossi It makes more sense that the chip they are going with needs more cooling.
@BearsFanGoomba
5 күн бұрын
Yoooooo
@SuperMetalDave64
5 күн бұрын
KZitem said "Translate to English" the Yoooooo lol. Welcome Bears.
@BearsFanGoomba
5 күн бұрын
@@SuperMetalDave64😂
@randysalsman6992
5 күн бұрын
What you are not taking into account is that Nintendo has already manufactured the Switch 2 aka the "Switch UP" and been sitting un tons of them in warehouses for the past 2-3 years. So there is noway in hell they could use 4nm even if they wanted too.
@Oryon7
4 күн бұрын
Just stop, please. One look at PUBLIC shipping data between Nintendo and their component manufacturers should tell you that your claim is BLATANTLY false. But, for the sake of anyone listening, I'll tell you why it doesn't work like that. Having the architecture nailed down a couple years ago( which is common), and actually mass producing the hardware are two completely different matters. I'll tell you why what you are claiming is ESPECIALLY not done, shortly. Hardware makers don't intentionally make hardware years in advance just to sit on them. That would WRECK their financials and piss off investors. Which financial genius buys billions of dollars worth of hardware without selling them, and STILL expect to hit close to their yearly fiscal forecast? And do that 2 years in a row with investors not noticing? Such an act is impossible to hide, and if Nintendo ever tried to hide such MASSIVE financial discrepancies, they would be subject to severe penalties, including Jail time! Leaks are another thing that is hard to hide once mass production begins. So, according to you, this thing has been in mass production for the last 2 years, and for the first time in recent history, no one has an idea how it looks, what the new features are, etc? Nothing leaked?! That sounds realistic? Let's not go down that silly path. In reality, the reason for the recent leaks is because mass production just started, and RIGHT ON SCHEDULE too. Even so, those leaks are still from preliminary/non-final versions of the hardware. Had this thing been completed years ago, we'd be seeing way more than outer shells and PCBs. Still, the most technical reason why production is done close to launch, is because, overtime, chip densities increase/double. So if hardware makers wait closer to launch before mass production, they may be able to get denser chips, for the same silicon area on the SOC, and/or even cheaper (overall) price. This is EXACTLY how Sony shocked the world, INCLUDING the dev community when the PS4 was announced to have 8 GBs RAM, since they were all expecting 4. The RAM densities doubled just in time for PS4 mass production! Seriously, there are numerous way to show what you are saying is madness. So please, don't be the guy that hears sound correction, but DOUBLES DOWN anyway. Let sanity reign. I'm rooting for you. You got this!
@Yusei255
2 күн бұрын
not gonna be called the switch UP.
@1GWX
4 күн бұрын
2025.
@soda5439
4 күн бұрын
Would not be surprised if the switch 2 was weaker than the series s
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
The expectation right now is stronger on GPU but weaker on CPU.
@dili25
3 күн бұрын
This guy is a delusional nintendo fanboy that does not know anything about computers, Nintendo consoles and nintendo greed !
@2daih4
5 күн бұрын
Shits going to be weaker than the ps4
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
Not. Stronger than Ps4 on PORTABLE MODE. Very comparable with Series S on docked mode.
@randysalsman6992
5 күн бұрын
It's still gonna be weaker then the Xbox seies S in docked mode, so I wouldn't call it a beast.
@Oceanandskylinevidss
5 күн бұрын
As along as its stronger than the ROG ally and steam deck. We gravy.
@alessandrooliveira3218
4 күн бұрын
The expectation right now is stronger on GPU but weaker on CPU,
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