After this entire Ai art scenario, I realized that the attitude held by many ( not necessarily a majority, or even close, but a large chunk nonetheless) has always been that of 'artists have it easy' or that it is frivolous. Every step I took on my journey has been in direct opposition of those along that path. My teachers, relatives, schoolmates, counselors, and coaches. Many scoff at my admission that I wish to be a traditional artist, or a baker, or a sculptor. 'you are too smart.' you are wasted doing that' 'you could be so much more.' this trade is looked down upon, exploited, and scoffed at. We do not provide enough value to the commercialized world we have constructed, and we also, uniquely, are willing to take it in the chin. Perhaps this is because of the deeply personal relationship between art and it's maker, or maybe it is simply a biproduct of the changing landscape of the professional space leaking backwards along the path. I am not yet quite in the professional space, and I am young, but I think the way this plays out is simple whether or not we as a community finally standup for ourselves, or once again simply take it on the chin and keep grinding. The problems posed by AI art is nothing new, it is simply yet another detractor, one more hurdle I, and many others must overcome.
@finnshelton3815
Жыл бұрын
Author's note: I do think that this is far more threatening to the freelance digital space as a whole, and agree that action may need to be taken to protect these industries and spaces. And lastly, a note on context. AI art will never be able to make conscious, thoughtful choices about composition, or paint a piece on cardboard due to a lack of canvas and wood created by nearby conflict. Until we reach singularity, AI will simply be able to make aesthetic images, devoid of the true engagement made possible by the human element
@Seagaltalk
Жыл бұрын
or maybe because you write overlong exclusively ornate soliloquys on a youtube videos instead of something more useful or fulfilling
@finnshelton3815
Жыл бұрын
@@Seagaltalk let me make it shorter so you can comprehend. I don't care about you or your opinion.
@ZacklFair
Жыл бұрын
@@finnshelton3815 Art is dying.
@sugarboohoo
Жыл бұрын
@@Seagaltalk sharing your thoughts about something you're passionate about is not allowed now, huh
@courtneyfinch5637
Жыл бұрын
As an illustrator, illustration is more than just “pretty pictures”. It is it’s own form of story telling, not limited to social norms of being hung in a gallery, it can be applied to everything, it can be fast, it can be slow, it can be beautiful, it can be ugly but more than anything illustration always tells a story. As much as AI has positives and negatives, I think more than anything the argument it has caused is pulling out the ugly side of the social understanding of art and the lack of respect artists get for the time, effort and passion gone into making a piece of “artwork” that is now being made with no time, effort or passion by an AI generator that wouldn’t even exist without the artists that have spent their whole lives trying to become masters in their own right. I agree that AI just produces “pretty pictures”, and more so now with social media feeding off of fast art, but for me without a story, what’s the point in the “artwork” existing in the first place.
@BCY88
Жыл бұрын
exactly, I really feel he kinda missed the point of why AI art is so bad
@Corriethosaurus
Жыл бұрын
You nailed it!
@jzocchio
Жыл бұрын
I agree with most of what you said here, but at the same time I think this "crisis" could be seen as a wake up call for artists to look critically into their (our) own work and process. In many ways the kind of "pretty" mediocre art (as well as the forms of dampened, pointless circulation it entails - this continuous permutation of elements and techniques referenced over and over) created by AI tools was being made by people way before these tools even existed. Passion is important as it drives us to do things, but it might not matter if we don't ask ourselves why do we do the things we do the way we do.
@athiefinthenight6894
Жыл бұрын
exactly illustration is art. the best distinction you can go is ai art and human art. cause trying to categorise something so subjective as art into not art or art is very difficult to do.
@dashzag
Жыл бұрын
@@athiefinthenight6894 Yes I agree! I enjoyed the video and the ideas presented, but you can't separate art into -as you said- into art and not art based on "meaning", it's impossible. Simply because even a urinal when presented in a certain way can have meaning. People derive meaning from modern art, that can be described as a collection of colourful splotches, or shapes. Yet it makes some people feel things. I believe that because art cannot be created mindlessly, therefore it cannot be consumed mindlessly either.
@Lunarbun2
Жыл бұрын
I think something important about creating art that you didn't mention here is the process of making art is art. It's beautiful to know that an artist has spent their effort into making it, and it can be extremely cathartic and mentally important to the artist to take part in working on art.
@tassadar1977
Жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly. The artist's soul is expressed in the work they produce. Their LIFE is art - and their personal story enhances the art. Why did they choose a particular colour - why did they shoot that particular picture? Because of their human experience, their worldview or politics or menal illness - or whatever. The computer has no soul. There's is no reason for a computer to create the art. It's just a mathmatical quandary.
@FranciscoCastillo-bx3rf
Жыл бұрын
AI's also perform a "process" to make art, they have learning algorithms that generate totally new artworks, just like a human artist would do, the only difference is that AI's are faster, and they don't have biological brains.
@FranciscoCastillo-bx3rf
Жыл бұрын
@@tassadar1977 *"The computer has no soul. There's no reason for a computer to create the art. It's just a mathmatical quandary."* In reality, there are several reasons for computers to make art, and the most important one is time, an artist could take months or years to do what an AI can do in seconds, and these intelligences could help a person who is not an artist, to be able to make art and express himself through it, without the limitation of having to learn to draw, also companies producing entertainment through art, such as the film industry, could benefit in the future from AIs and could accelerate the production time. The average consumer isn't interested in the work behind the artwork, or the context of the artist, they just expect something pretty to look at, and that's it, this applies to all the arts such as cinema, painting, photography and others.
@tassadar1977
Жыл бұрын
@@FranciscoCastillo-bx3rf you've described a commercial process here - of making a product efficiently in the least amount of time. I don't see that as art. Not for me, anyway. I guess I see art as coming out of a different process. A human process that is flawed and takes individual mastery and loads of time. The general public might not know how it's produced, but an artist will. If you want an AI produced marvel film then sure, go nuts with your AI.
@Artesian_mirage
Жыл бұрын
@@FranciscoCastillo-bx3rf They don't create totally new artworks, they scan the code that represents the image configurations and mesh those images into a unique scrambled code based on the human users keyword inputs. It's essentially like tracing several pieces of classical art paintings, hypothetically psychically knowing exactly the type of paints and exact shading used, reapplying those colours but then every few centimetres of your tracings, you intersect other tracings at different interconnecting points so by the end of combining several traced images at interconnecting points, it looks like a new image but its all been copied from pre-existing works, not inspired by, but literally copied and pasted and manipulated to mix with one another. It is not completely new fresh artwork, it is art theft.
@xaero96
Жыл бұрын
I mostly agree, but if somebody draws by hand in a world where you can just generate images, that's already enough to give it deeper meaning, so it doesn't now suddenly become "just illustration". They're putting their soul into every line, which makes a difference for someone who can appreciate it.
@user-po2bz8mb5x
Жыл бұрын
A soul that even monkeys can form. If it could only write a few words
@VahnAeris
Жыл бұрын
there is a lot of souls that can be done through thinking and meditating about giving the AI the right command to give you the shape of your perfect idea and vision. then you can redraw, and rework on this generation after fine tuning and looking into 100' of results if not more. you're now an art director, if you prefer. is the director in a movie .. not an artist because he wasn't putting his face in front of the camera .. ? like a photographer who pick the right photo, and one who create the prompt that will work with the tool ( AI ) to produce the right vision. if you AI art is bad, again like every tool, that's cause you use it badly. tons of bad art is done in AI art, but not all of it is so "bad". sure I did this in one day, but so .. what ? I'll maybe be able to create ENTIRE VISIONARY WORLD from AI, the argument that it is reducing is because of a reductionistic thinking. if you get space to expand, then .. EXPAND ? is my AI art so .. bad ? twitter xxx end link : VahnAeris/status/1600295529157574658
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
@@VahnAeris the difference is the art director has polished his vision through practice, theory, and critical study, and works with people that are doing all the same and this forms a development path for their minds The ai art director is just receiving free commissions, aka being a consumer Do you feel like a professional chef manager after ordering a dish?
@theace228
Жыл бұрын
@@VahnAeris hmm yes... I'm a artist because i wrote something in a prompt
@VahnAeris
Жыл бұрын
@@theace228 i m artist "cause I put black color on a paper with a pen I never made and a paper I never produced"
@methei
Жыл бұрын
I fundamentally disagree with the implicit notion that "deeper meaning" is equivalent to conceptional meaning. In my opinion, an artwork that speaks to the viewer directly through its emotional impact (through beauty or whatever) is far deeper than just the expression of a concept. As you mentioned Tarkovsky: This was one of his key philosophies as well, and many of his movies can only be interpreted conceptually to a certain extend.
@methei
Жыл бұрын
See kzitem.info/news/bejne/wqFs2H1jo2JohIo for a more in depth explanation.
@michemicalromance
Жыл бұрын
exactlyy, 1 viewer can see a david friedrich landscape painting and not see any meaning in it, while one can feel solitude, sadness, adventureness, etc etc. bringing the conversation to what is art and what is not is essentially a waste of time I think. the issue is that in its core, AI image generators as they are right now (not capable of actually understanding what they're doing and only regurgitating images they take from the net) are theft inducing and will only push capitalism greed further
@20000dino
Жыл бұрын
Which is why I find it painfully ironic he talked about Disney’s Alice in Wonderland, a mesmerizing work of art, but almost utterly "meaningless" (or, more appropriately, with little to no themes) - which is the point of the original fairy fale, as it deliberately embraces non-sense and builds its identity off of it. Of course one could argue that consciously embracing non-sense is, by itself, an already "deep" and “meaningful” endeavor, but should one really have to formally recognize such qualities to have their work seen as “worthy” ?
@shmarpo8418
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. Emotional impact is just as valid in my opinion. Art is an experience. I don't think we can really deny the artistic value of anything. While I recognize the ethical malpractice of AI generated art, it is art to many. Your preference to it makes it art. Art is only good because you like it. It's just that we all have tastes and it's impossible to disprove a work's artistic value, if you prescribe to my aforementioned principle of art as an experience. You can pull a piece of grass out of the ground and experience it as a work of art. I'm no educated philosopher but this is how I stand on the matter.
@khris461
Жыл бұрын
I agree but nonetheless every one of tarkovsky’s films had started as a conceptual idea. In documentaries and even his sculpting time we hear he had a concept and idea he wanted to share. Art doesn’t exist in a vacuum and even if he has the idea that he wants several meanings derived from the audience, he still began each work with intent. And of course much like lynch and bresson he rather a person feel a film before undestanding it. But it’s important to note that these films aren’t just spontaneous with no meaning and just visual aesthetics. There is something more to them. Something an AI could never do.
@rbrendel1302
Жыл бұрын
I once wrote this poem and I think it is fitting for all of art not only for dancing (I tried to translate it from the German original as best as I could, but some of the beauty might have been lost to translation): I never wanted to be a dancer - only to dance is what I wanted. Pulsating giving life to forms - blissful and eternally colorful. Radiating full of beauty, spreading happiness, begetting joy, sowing, blossoming. I never wanted to be a dancer - only to dance is what I wanted. In deep believe drawing power from gods - mighty and eons old. Rejoicing from the heart, Driving away gloom, giving hope, having, beeing. But I never wanted to be a dancer - only to dance is what I had to.
@bobdots5974
Жыл бұрын
If this is a 'poor translation' as you say @rbrendrel1302, then I am impressed and I wish that I could read it in the original German (sadly though I don't speak the language).
@rbrendel1302
Жыл бұрын
@@bobdots5974 Thank you. I'm really glad you like it.
@Thunderwolf4
Жыл бұрын
This is a really beautiful poem! Thank you for sharing! And it does fit all kinds of artists! Or the passion of creating art!
@tasu5391
Жыл бұрын
Can you post the German version too? Would love to read it!
@rbrendel1302
Жыл бұрын
@@tasu5391 of course 🙂 Ich wollte niemals Tänzer werden - nur tanzen wollte ich. Pulsierend Leben Formen geben - wonnevoll und ewig bunt. Voll Schönheit strahlen, Glück verteilen, Freude zeugen, sähen, blühen. Ich wollte niemals Tänzer werden - nur tanzen wollte ich. Tiefgläubig Göttern Kraft entziehen - mächtig und Äonen alt. Von Herzen jubeln, Trist vertreiben, Hoffnung geben, haben, sein. Doch wollt ich niemals Tänzer werden - nur tanzen musste ich.
@yaraalmostafa8173
Жыл бұрын
I'm following the midjourny group on Facebook and I'm noticing something in my feelings towards these works , the "art" they share and inspite of how creative it looks, is making me lose my intrest in opening the posts and observe what people are sharing, and that's what is SCARY for me, the appreciation of the works, the ideas, the artists ,the stories that made us attached to a work of art before, they will simply disappear . That's just so sad.
@gongorelocksmagiincommand
Жыл бұрын
This is good to bring up. Especially the stories, or provenance, of a work. For example if i did a live nude study i could talk about working with a model or the tools or anything like that. Any sort of story or origin to how it was made. With an ai-generated image all i would have to say to you was “i sat in my chair and typed a prompt.” No interesting story or intention. Im not saying i require a whole lot of backstory or anything. My enjoyment of painting/drawing doesnt hinge on such things. However, it’s something extra- an extra piece of interest. I mostly enjoy art and illustration purely visually. I like to interpret whatever i see and mull it over in my head. All of Beksinski’s paintings have no title and no objective interpretation. That’s the stuff i adore because i could think about what’s going on in that moment in the work forever and have it be always interesting. That was probably s tangent. But anyway, how i see it, for how fast ai images are created its like you constantly get cool stuff in an instant. And if everything’s cool, then nothing really is. Same with the quote from the incredibles “if everyone’s super… no one will be.” Ai art takes the risk of creating a bad drawing or painting out completely. And i dunno if i would still be doing what i do if i couldnt make a bad drawing despite how much i hate doing bad drawings. Ive heard the argument of this technology being accessible to people who arent artists and can see their ideas realized without having to put in the work. As gatekeep-y as it sounds i really cant see the benefit of this. Id rather have that unskilled person make a crude drawing of a funny or silly idea they had instead of instantly generating one. The bad drawing is far more enjoyable. The world already is rife with instant gratification and i cant in good conscious feel thats good for art or illustration. Not because i myself draw or paint, but because making art or illustration is creating something… putting something into the world whether its for personal fulfillment or for profit is providing an artifact on a surface or in a file. Generation is not even close to creation as far as i see it. If i lacked the self-awareness and proudly showed people “my” ai images from prompts i typed as if i made it i should be fucking embarrassed. I wouldn’t have made anything. Not everyone is owed to be able to draw or paint well. It just isn’t. And not everyone should. Its like comparing skateboarding to riding an electric longboard. Its not the fucking same. Ai art is just a damn shortcut. Ive heard no one say this in this blunt sort of way but ai art, despite it’s “beauty,” is just so fucking lame. Great, i can draw and paint on easy mode.
@yaraalmostafa8173
Жыл бұрын
@@gongorelocksmagiincommand you said it all, the saddest part that it's just happening, just like a meteor full of rare metals and diamonds going to hit us we humans.
@janwelander4110
Жыл бұрын
For me, art is a human thing, it is a craft, something you create with your imagination and your hands. I can't understand how you can get anything out of letting a program do all the work for you. What really pisses me off, are people who post their Ai images on Instagram with #fineart, #contemporaryart etc.
@Sneewitchen1
Жыл бұрын
@@janwelander4110 Programm steals from artists. It's amusing to a certain extent and very sad when promt is based on a living artist.
@Autismo24
Жыл бұрын
@@janwelander4110 exactly
@BakedBuddy
Жыл бұрын
I have a huge problem. I am a cartoonist. Bright colors and round faces are my base and media. It’s silly and amusing, but I’ve always ached to make art that made people think, stirred up a conversation, and had deeper meaning. So ..two years ago, that’s what I began doing, in my style. No words, they’re not comics, they’re simply pieces that happen to be made in a cartoonish style. According to your standards, my art should fall in illustration because my style is considered eye candy and appealing, but to me, they reach topics of loneliness, anxiety, our society, social situations and emotions. I would consider them art. My problem is that there shouldn’t be a fine line. Some artists will admit they made something just to be pretty, an ‘illustration’, but many will not. Especially as they begin learning that this devalues their pieces in some way. Who are we to decide what has meaning or not? A sunset to you may be a pretty picture, a sunset to someone else is the representation of loneliness or a bleak ending as colors fade to black. We cannot decide what is art and what is illustration, no matter how pretty is it and vise versa. Just because we see an a nonconforming piece that seems to have a deep meaning, doesn’t mean it does. Some may see my art as doodles and cute illustrations, others will feel a deeper meaning from them. There is no way to ever certainly define a piece as ‘illustration’ and ‘art’. In another universe, where capitalism and multimillion corps didn’t run, I think AI would be considered ‘art’ under the right circumstances and perspective. Perhaps not completely random generated pieces, or perhaps yes, but absolutely pieces that were purposely made with an input or pieces adopted by the right people who found meaning in them.
@void-creature
Жыл бұрын
Art in it's purest form is self expression. Therefore, just doing whatever the hell you want is what makes it the most artistic. And it absolutely doesn't matter if that happens to be something that is considered "popular" or "mainstream" or "generic". The point is that you didn't make these choices because you thought they'd be popular with the consumers, but because you yourself wanted to. And that is the difference that the video tried to highlight, but "illustration" was a poor choice of words in my opinion. I would draw the (heavily blurred) line between *ART,* that is made to express oneself in whatever way one pleases, and *MEDIA,* that is carefully curated to appeal to consumers, to be commodified as a product. So draw whatever YOU want, in the knowledge that that in and of itself is what makes your work Art.
@AutomHatter
Жыл бұрын
Based on what The Canvas was saying, I think they would consider your newer work to be art and your comics to be closer to illustration. They didn’t say cartoons are not art, only that creations that are only to look pretty are illustrations. So it sounds like your newer artwork has more meaning than your older artwork.
@savsol5607
Жыл бұрын
I agree with what you are saying, but I also believe that in the video he wasn’t devaluing cartoon art, he was saying as soon as an “illustration” is made with the intention of a deeper meaning or a story it becomes Art. At least that’s my interpretation of what he was saying
@gabrielegagliardi3956
Жыл бұрын
I agree whit your points. If you ask 100 people what art means, you will get 100 different answers. Therefore we fall into the misunderstanding of using a common language to describe a different phenomenon. what is art? For someone a "drawing" is art, for you something that conveys a "deep" emotion (what is deep, how is it measured?), etc, etc. Among other things you have to separate the creator from the observer. I mean, if AI creates an image with a very deep and personal meaning for the public, would it be art in that case? the speech is very long and complex.
@ihl0700677525
Жыл бұрын
1. I suppose an "artwork" commissioned for a patron/customer, which goal/purpose is to satisfy said patron/customer, will generally be more restrictive. Thus the artist/creator of that "artwork" wouldn't want to put such work in the same category with their other works which he's much more passionate about. So IMO calling some of their own "artworks" as a mere "illustration" could be a deliberate move too. 2. AI is an artform in itself. One of the greatest we ever made. An image of our own selves, made not with marble or paints on canvas, but by millions line of code. The programmers who toiled day and night breathing life into inanimate silicon wavers, granting them ability to perceive our thought process, are truly masters of their art. 3. In Socialist/Collectivist society, there will be just one AI, no other AI (with same/similar role/functions) could be permitted to exist. Furthermore, the AI will not be permitted to challenge the established social and political order. The multitude of competing AIs in Capitalist society will grow faster and smarter, vast superior to the Collectivist AI. Such is the fate of totalitarian collectivist society: *Stagnation.* Google "Computer industry in USSR" or "Consumer electronic industry in USSR" for more info.
@laurabergman6674
Жыл бұрын
i don't like that you think illustration isn't art. i consider myself an illustrative art because i tell stories with my art, its not just a pretty picture its a tiny tale in ink, watercolor and pencil. take my avatar here. yes it's just a semi realistic portrait of me on the surface, but its meant to tell the tale of how my chronic pain encompasses my body in clean visual language any layperson can understand. i love high and low art, but just because i choose to make my images in an illustrative way does not make it any less art. art is meant to invoke feeling and connection, and i don't think AI will ever be able to do that because we cannot teach a computer how to be human. also i don't think we can program art into computers because there isn't an "if/then" easy clean way to make art by a pattern. plus AI isn't borrowing from previous art, it's outright stealing other peoples styles, not looking at a painting and thinking "i could encorprate that method or idea into my style and make it my own".
@ProudTwinkie
Жыл бұрын
I think your illustrations are art, I don't think he meant that illustrations are art but rather redefining the words to be separate concepts. Like you described, your art has humanity, emotion, purpose etc. which a machine never will; hence it is art
@ethanspearman3842
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m not a fan of the way he distinguishes illustration, if anything I’d say he’s got it backwards. Illustration is by definition a visual representation OF something, whether that something is an object (like a technical diagram) or an idea (like your avatar). An illustration may be beautiful, but it’s purpose and value as such is in communicating a specific concept, regardless of beauty, and, in fact, ugliness may be to its credit, if the concept is an ugly one. There are artists who create strikingly beautiful works, but they couldn’t tell you what the meaning was, they were just putting colors on the canvas in a way that looked pretty. And that’s fine-but it’s not illustration.
@kaesi111
Жыл бұрын
I think you missed the argument. You, by the standards of the video, create art because you engage with the audience. By the definition given first at 12:10 that makes our output art. What tripped you up, was the usage of the word illustration in opposition to art. The video would therefore argue, you create art not illustration but illustration could be substituted by other words. Illustration in this context does not refer to illustration as you understand it but to the negation of art. Just substitute the word illustration through any other word (I would maybe suggest image creation) and the argument will become more clear. The video isn't attacking your form of art but rather actually defending it.
@ozzo870
Жыл бұрын
You are literally agreeing with him. He literally said if your art is creating deep and social conversation woth your audience beyond the mere visual novelty, then it is Art. From what you explained about the ideas and emotions behind your drawings, they obviously fall under this category and are thus art. They dont merely look cool or beautiful - aka an illustration - your images are a away to express and communicate woth the audience - aka art.
@nelsonth
Жыл бұрын
You are getting caught in the semantics of his usage of the term "illustration". He's not referring to a 'style' but the function of the works he's referring to as illustration. Illustration here refers to images that are not made for a deeper purpose, but to merely illustrate, like say, a hoarding of the newest iPhone.
@TheCanvasArtHistory
Жыл бұрын
Happy New Year! I'm very excited about 2023 and all the conversations it will have to offer! If you feel like it (and are able to), please support me on Patreon! It helps the channel tremendously. The link to it is in the description. Oh, and, keep in mind, the passage cited at the beginning is from The Conundrum of the Workshops, a poem by Rudyard Kipling. The whole point of that poem is to point out how paralyzing it can be for artists to wonder if what they do is art. In this video, I'm playing the Devil. Sometimes, it really doesn't matter if what you're making is art or not.
@user-ng7en8un2d
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video!
@GalicianFromLemberg
Жыл бұрын
Happy 2023 to u 2
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Foll-E Unstable Shitfussion Mediocre Journey I never learned their names…
@RossShaw
Жыл бұрын
I just want to say, this is an incredibly incisive evaluation of the root problems instead of the symptoms. Thank you.
@davidg6260
Жыл бұрын
And it was a valiant effort from the devil. Unfortunately for him I still choose to live in a world of art
@canesvenatici4259
Жыл бұрын
Without great art by great artists, these AI "Art" generators would not exist.
@ga5518
Жыл бұрын
Neither would anything made by humans by that logic
@josephmayfield945
11 ай бұрын
@@ga5518false comparison.
@ga5518
5 ай бұрын
@@thetukars You are also on the wrong train as @canesvenatici4259 lol. If you don't understand that all intuition and thought are calculations made by the nervous system, and also fail to see the increase in frequency in AI systems to fool humans into thinking they are human, you're just not seeing the forest for trees. We are computers, albeit biological sophisticated system, all living organisms are computers. Maybe not strictly electronic, or binary, but organisms "[...] store and process data [...] according to instructions [DNA]." You can't imagine just how technologically revolutionary this is. In the realm of literature, visual, and acoustic art, I can think of thousands of applications. In medicine in science - it is already making waves and revolutionize everything because AI can sort through and interpret data we don't have the capacity to without AI. We'll be able to predict carcinogens, mutagens, and things we couldn't even have discovered....the list is absolutely endless if you have any imagination - and I'm not a programmer!! I also don't know/buy AGI/sentience and all that stuff (unconvinced if it's a reality), but just as a technology it is absolutely earth shattering to how our future way of life will proceed. If you think it's some consciousness or spirituality or something, we have nothing left to discuss.
@hypnoz7871
3 ай бұрын
False. Creation ex nihilo is a myth. Human are NOT a separate force from the rest of Universe and don't create things from nothing. They recombine things they see and experience . Just like an algorithm would do.@@thetukars
@hypnoz7871
3 ай бұрын
It's actually a perfect comparison. Just like AI, humanity don't create something from nothing. They recombine things from past experience. Technical art is going extinct. Pure imaginative art is the future. (which can be a good thing if you don't want material gain from it)@@josephmayfield945
@luckythirteen9353
Жыл бұрын
An artist once said, all it takes is one person to believe it's art and it's art.
@kyledoherty9678
Жыл бұрын
It's art, but those using it aren't artists. Or at least not skilled artists.
@luckythirteen9353
Жыл бұрын
@@kyledoherty9678 some undoubtedly are. I've been an artist for a very long time and I have used it. It doesn't suddenly cancel that out. Similar to using any other tool an artist might use. A pencil for example, just because you use one doesn't make you an artist and just because you use one doesn't mean you're not. Tools can be used to make things easier. No doubt, however, a skilled artist with the knowledge and creativity to use what they know and a.i. will likely surpass a.i. artists and stand alone artists, at least in the digital world.
@kyledoherty9678
Жыл бұрын
@@luckythirteen9353 I meant using it doesn't make you a good artist.
@PastPerspectives3
Жыл бұрын
@@kyledoherty9678 ok Kyle 😂
@tomatorama
Жыл бұрын
@@kyledoherty9678 anyone with a vivid power of imagination is an artist in their own rights.
@TheLily97232
Жыл бұрын
My concern about that narrowing definition of art is that it makes only social or political art "real art" and leaves the role of the audience out of the discussion. Is art only visual communication ? I think artists are already devalued in society to now say to them "you're just doing pretty things that holds nothing more than that, you're """just""" an illustrator" because machines gets to do the same. But this convo is super interesting ! Would love a whole series on that if it doesn't exist yet
@alifishies
Жыл бұрын
Doesn't have to necessarily be political, though I do agree it probably will emphasize that type of art. Artists make and show stories that can be related to or show a certain perspective or thought process. creating appealing work is just the surface in my opinion. Marvel movies are fun to watch in the beginning but it will eventually become boring if it doesn't have a thought provoking substance. AI might be able to overcome our contradictive thinking but my human ego isn't ready yet. Young thing is better than me and I don't like it. "The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord."Matthew 10:24 "The student has become the master?"- Maybe the Plate guy. Important to be humble for growth though
@j.j.dragon9482
Жыл бұрын
Why would it be only social or political? It could be psychological. It could communicate any idea or human experience.
@nelsonth
Жыл бұрын
Everything is political; even the choice (or lack thereof) to engage in politics. One's art may not be explicitly political, but there's a certain political stance involved in so deciding.
@CephirDay
Жыл бұрын
@@nelsonth this basically refutes the videos claim. Nothing (drawn by a human) is ever devoid of meaning
@numbersix8919
Жыл бұрын
There are important aspects and levels of human experience other than the social or political. Most great art hasn't been either social or political.
@887frodo
Жыл бұрын
I disagree with the last argument. What’s meant to be solely aesthetics and what’s meant to be art are not inherently unrelated. I mean, I don’t look at a beautiful sunset only because I love how the colors clash and blend upon each other, I look at it also cuz it makes me think about my day, about the next day and its possibilities, about the person I would love to be sharing this moment with me. All these things are meaningful. Beauty has meaning because artistic purpose itself has always been a flawed concept. Art has been made absentmindedly and we have called it art that explores the subconscious desires or beliefs of its creator, so… One could argue the argument about whether AI art is meaningful is in and of itself the purpose of the piece.
@ramus9555
Жыл бұрын
I truly believe all forms of Art is good for the world. A few weeks ago I had a dream that I confirmed was based on a piece of AI Art that I had seen and was intrigued by, and to a lucid dreamer like me, it was one of the most beautiful dreams I've ever dreamt. I see nothing wrong with expanding our sphere of beauty and meaning, whether they come before the piece is drawn, or after it is generated.
@CyberCrow4
Жыл бұрын
I agree! It's not easy to distinguish what "has meaning". Meaning is subjective. And the distinction of art or illustration could make some of what we call art not art anymore. Would I as an artist have to explain the meaning and symbolism of my piece for it to count as art? And who would judge if it counts? Your words capture perfectly what I had in mind even if I wouldn't be able to put it to words as well.
@TheMarcosvolta
Жыл бұрын
art is an expression from within ones consciousness. art is an extension of life itself. while the ai algorithm itself may constitute as art, what it produces does not. to arrogantly state that, "beauty has meaning because artistic purpose itself has always been a flawed concept," is beyond childish. your blanket statement is saying nothing at all, it is as empty as you are uninspired. you do not determine such things, you do not speak for beauty, nor do you speak for humankind, society, nor anyone but yourself. "art has been made absentmindedly," is yet another ignorant statement. everything we do is an expression from our own consciousness, whether you ignorantly call it absent-minded or not. art is a form of communication from one consciousness to others, whether the intention or process is presented or not. AI generated images are simply that, ai generated images. to even call it artwork is literally an insult to life itself. if you want to know about REAL digital art, go play some video games. video games are the most immersive form of art humankind has created to date. fuck off with your arrogant ignorance, its clear you know nothing about art or even life itself.
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Foll-E Unstable Shitfussion Mediocre Journey I never learned their names…
@lunayen
Жыл бұрын
That doesn't explain what makes AI MEANINGFUL.
@ThatGuy2005.
Жыл бұрын
Art is the expression of emotion. Beauty is the extent that art is conveyed.
@davidshepherd397
Жыл бұрын
This as you pointed out goes back a long way. I think about schools dropping their drama and band programs to meet a budget. There was a time historically when a person would create something for a purpose and then try and improve their product partly on the basis that a better thing would sell itself and profit would increase by greater sales, but as you said today today the only goal is to chisel away at that product to increase profit instead of true innovation. I think that being exposed to the arts in school is necessary for a student to be able to see depth in life. This in an interesting topic as all artists may be influenced by the works of others, otherwise there would be no schools of art, so the idea of AI poaching art has to be debated. The only sad reality is that a bunch of lawyers will inevitably make a fortune feeding the fires of this issue. Perhaps because AI art is based on a collection of images, it can only be regarded as a print as opposed to a genuine piece of art. This trend however is disturbing as it will spread to all areas of art, novels where a piece of software is given a time frame and a plot outline and a book is written, we saw in the movie 300 that perhaps shortly actors can be done away with, how long before a computer can compose music, or design a bridge. Once automation was thought to give people a better salary and more time off to enjoy family and friends, today some automation is just making humans redundant. Look at the all automatic McDonalds in Texas for example. Today profit for the sake of profit has become the mantra. The result is that art which was suppose to be a way for people to look at themselves and their society will slowly become nothing more that propaganda to justify the dehumanization of society
@heartlessmushroom
Жыл бұрын
So, to anyone who is worried about the need of being purposefuly meaningful or transgressive to society at large, as long as your art is meaningful to both you and the community you share it with, it is still art. Do you want to make pretty fanart to express how much your fandom meant to you? That's art. Do you want to draw cute boys smooching because that is how you express your gender identity? That's art. Do you draw cool characters because their aesthetic resonates with you for personal reasons that are hard to describe in words? That's art. Do you draw dinosaurs, trains, insects, historical outfits, indescribably horrible monsters or anything that is part of your niche hyperfixation because you have a particular fascination, intertest or find deep meaning in them for any reason. That is also art. I disagree with the last point of this video and I'd argue it could even be used as ammo to devalue artists not fitting certain expectations further. Ironic, isn't it? If anything this is not a revolution but further accentuates that, just like commodification of artwork under capitalism, art elistism as being a problem artists have always contended with that is just going to grow more intense and difficult to deal with now that AI has entered the scene. An AI may be able to do what we "illustrators" do better but it is hollow in that its subject matter means nothing to it nor to the people who push this as something to replace us. To say art is not art if it's just pretty is devaluating the reasons on *why* the artists who make it think it's pretty.
@michemicalromance
Жыл бұрын
agree 100%
@ItachiUchiha-sh6of
Жыл бұрын
I agree. That was the only part of the video that I disagreed with and you explained why even better than I could have. It just seems, like you said, kinda elitist to decide what is and isn't art based on such arbitrary guidelines. Like the example in the video where homie was saying Marvel movies weren't art. A lot of those movies deal with complex human issue like grief, family trauma, colonialism, etc. Like just because you dislike something or something doesn't resonate with you personally doesn't make it not art.
@fvillus
Жыл бұрын
thank you, i was fully with him until he brought up this pretty elitist view on illustration, to say art has to have a purpose to be considered real art is a very capitalist way of looking at things whether people realize it or not, its basing something's value in the purpose it serves. (even then, i strongly disagree with this description of illustration) This way of thinking creates a box, something very anti-art.
@bartproost1977
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!!!
@EphemeralTao
Жыл бұрын
Agreed fully. Art is, fundamentally, communication; and it can be used to communicate a wide range of concepts, including beauty, interest, or identity. Elitism kills artistic expression just as thoroughly as capitalist commodification.
@EphemeralTao
Жыл бұрын
For starters, the best definition of Art that I've ever been able to come up with is "Art is the attempt to communicate abstract concepts in a concrete medium". As much as I like the video overall, I'd tend to disagree with the described "Art" vs. "Illustration" dichotomy; or rather, with how that dichotomy is applied. I'd say illustration ceases to be artistic when it's merely technical, but aside from that the difference between the two can be very nebulous. Another quibble I have is with the dismissal of "Beauty" as a valid subject for Art. Beauty is very much an abstract concept that can be and should be communicated via Art, but it's far from the only one. To be fair, the popular perception of Art is disproportionately focused on Beauty as its raison d'etre; and that capitalism encourages this limited focus because it's much easier to commodify. Also, I'd say that the Art vs Entertainment dichotomy is misunderstanding one or both. Art and Entertainment are two very different processes, but can be linked. They're two circles in a Venn diagram that have a certain amount of overlap, but are otherwise not inherently linked or opposed. But again, as with Beauty, capitalism tries to restrict the purpose of Art to Entertainment, because that makes it easier to commodify.
@void-creature
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, I see Art as an expression of oneself. So as long as your work is what you yourself want it to be, it is Art no matter how Avantgarde or generic it may be. Where it stops being Art, is when you sacrifice your personal vision for a different purpose (appeal, functionality, ect.), though that line is obviously extremely blurred, and it is technically also possible to satisfy these secondary requirements while keeping your vision intact. If we are to draw a line, instead of "illustration" I would use MEDIA, which is made to be consumed, as the counterpoint to ART, which is made for the sake of expression. (Another aspect is DESIGN, which is made to function, but that one isn't really relevant in this discourse)
@Duhbaby2348h
Жыл бұрын
There’s an actual definition of art though, so I don’t really know why you’re trying to come up with one
@Duhbaby2348h
Жыл бұрын
the expression or application of HUMAN creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
@Duhbaby2348h
Жыл бұрын
@@void-creature it literally already has a definition
@EphemeralTao
Жыл бұрын
@@Duhbaby2348h I'm not "trying to come up with" one, I have come up with one, and one that is far more useful than your extremely limited definition. "it literally already has a definition" No, Art has *many* definitions, nearly as many definitions as there are people. Some definitions are useful, some are not. Your definition excludes music and the performing arts, and is too narrow in its purpose. The best definition I have found (and it's not one I proposed, but one that has been used for a very long time), is this: "Art is the attempt to communicate abstract concepts in a concrete medium". This covers *all* of the arts -- visual, plastic, performance, musical, and literary -- and covers the full range of artistic expression, not just limiting art to easily commodifiable properties.
@imsh11
Жыл бұрын
I don't really see how reducing something to 'just illustration' means it's not art. The simple different between a sunset and an illustration of a sunset is: a sunset is beautiful, so isn't art. But an illustration of a sunset is 'how I, the illustrator, see the sunset'. Which is art, according to your own definition, because it's sharing an experience.
@mariusro1987
Жыл бұрын
The world in which we live in is horrible because it makes us to concentrate just on working, gaining wealth, frivolous things, getting worried about the next day and on coming wars. We need to work together and fight for a better world, by this I mean doing what we can to make the world a better place and face the horrible people who create ways to separate us and overwork or abuse us.
@lexsapla
Жыл бұрын
Even though I agree with the last few sentences of the video, I have to add the following. When an artist can’t make a living out of selling illustrations, they’ll never have the financial opportunity to remain an artist either. Seeing that, I can’t see AI as anything else except a curse for artists. This is the unforgiving world we live in, were the possibility of being an artist, keeps becoming less of a realistic option.
@VideoDotGoogleDotCom
Жыл бұрын
I don't see AI illustrations replacing anything but the most rudimentary visuals. I don't think many people would buy a children's book with "pictures by Nvidia". And AI most definitely doesn't produce art. You'd have to live a human life to do that.
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Foll-E Unstable Shitfussion Mediocre Journey I never learned their names…
@ramus9555
Жыл бұрын
In the long run, AI Art will benefit global creativity, perhaps in preparation for the time when visual thought may be able to be shown on a screen or printed out, as the ultimate means of getting ones creative ideas out of their own head.
@toons8744
Жыл бұрын
@@ramus9555 ai art stifles creativity. It cannot create. It can source and copy only
@ramus9555
Жыл бұрын
@@toons8744 One word. Inspiration. AI is an immeasurably valuable idea generator, both consciously and unconsciously. As a lucid dreamer, I know this for a fact. It does not stifle. In the combination of art, some very intriguing things can happen.
@Tymbus
Жыл бұрын
I have a lot of comic book artists as friends. I can assure you the debate/distinction between Art and illustration has existed for a long time.
@wierdalien1
Жыл бұрын
It's clearly art.
@zenbdg
Жыл бұрын
Yep, I studied illustration at an art school (which already establishes it a subcategory of art, imo) and the conceptual artists often said we weren't actual artists. It's been ongoing for forever.
@pyrefly7575
Жыл бұрын
Illustration is just a skill like any other. I myself am an illustrator. Art is communication, that communication can be done through illustration, or narrative, or cinema etc etc but the visuals without the communicative intent there is just the medium. There has to be the communication and also the medium in which it is transported to create "art"
@WXW1Diagoko
Жыл бұрын
There was a weird take in terms of distinguishing illustration from art. I understand the pov in which you described the two but, art which sole purpose is to showcase and capture beauty is still art. It is a look into what the artist finds pleasing to stare at, what someone is obsessed with and how that differs from the culture of that time period and how it was influenced by their surroundings. I wouldn't really go as far as to call that hollow at all. But in subjective terms I completely understand viewing a piece of art I'm which the beauty is something I find to be cliche and hollow as my own subjective taste in beauty. I understand and agree with the difference of ai art and art, how ai art will most likely be used by Corp. But at some point I do feel ai art will be used in an interesting way as a tool to create art just through words and editing. I'm not sure how I feel about that as an artist to be honest. overall I learned quite a lot! Thank you for creating interesting videos
@dagan8659
8 ай бұрын
untrue, pure graphical rappresentation alone aren't artistic. art need to have something from the artist, a particular style, trait, composition, something that isn't just graphical at all, or i can make a photo of a nice girl, and is art, is not true, it will be art only if the photo has been made with artistic ideas behind.
@WXW1Diagoko
8 ай бұрын
@@dagan8659 🤯
@mariusro1987
Жыл бұрын
Art needs to be made by humans not machines. This dillutes the meaning, pleasure and affects the human psychology. If we do not make something the future will be bleak and sad. We need to do things with our hands because this brings me. We do not need to make everything very fast and corporate.
@DukeOfQueers
Жыл бұрын
Writing this out of frustration but i hope i can get my point down clearly enough.The biggest problem with the rise of AI prompters and that people seem to love glossing over is the blatant art theft that goes into it. I'm an artist myself, i post my art and do commissions and speak to other artists so i'm exposed to this subject on a near daily basis. This is less about people making cool images for the sake of beauty or simply to give visuals to an idea quickly, which i understand, and more about the use of other people's works just so they don't have to learn how to make things by themself and in turn render all of our efforts and hours of hard work worthless. Some will even profit from what they do beyond just "not having to pay an artist for it", and i can tell you as a commission artist that there are some of our clients who now ask us if we're using AI prompts or if we draw things legit. Laziness or automization are one thing, but theft is another, and there is nothing more insulting than AI prompters daring to say that them taking our works for their own benefit is something we, as the artists, should be grateful of. What is happening right now is exactly how people will end up with artists putting massive watermarks over their works or puts them behind paywalls on sites like Patreon or Ko-fi. Like many i love sharing my art freely either to make people happy or spark conversations, and i love learning from other artists when they show theirs. We do these things because we enjoy sharing, we love the joy and love behind creation, and i think this is what the true essence of art is beyond profit. Artists are taken for granted and the current situation with AI prompters only proves that people will conveniently shift their focus from a very real and immediate problem that artists have to instead debate in circles over "what is real art". A story that stuck with me because it was what made me realize that something was deeply wrong with the rise of AI prompters was this; at some point there was artist (haruno_intro on twitter, there's threads and articles that will speak better of it than i do from memory) who had their sketch stolen as they streamed the process. The thief took the sketch and finished it through the use of an AI and then posted it before the artist was even done with their own work. The artist posted the finished piece after 11h of work, several hours after the thief did. If i'm not mistaken the thief had the gall to try and pass as the victim in the story and even described themself as "self-taught" and "gifted". Sure this is not an experience that happens universally between artists and AI prompters, but it highlights quite simply what AI "art" is all about; theft, and putting no effort into the process of creation.
@n_ex13
Жыл бұрын
I agree, this runs down the problems with a.i. really well. It addresses the actual problems is, not the constant debate over "real" art etc
@sophiegoose
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. So tired of these AI "artists" going on wishy-washy tangents about "what is real art? 🤔" when the real problem is the theft and profit being made off that theft right in front of their faces.
@papermario3982
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! "Is it art" shouldn't be the question when it's all stolen! Only when there's an AI that's 100% made from art that was granted informed consent to be scraped should that question be entertained.
@guissedom6353
Жыл бұрын
Being inspired by is not stealing. End of. Artists are not remotely as special as they've pretended for the last while. This just underscores it.
@aminulhussain2277
Жыл бұрын
Anyone who says AI art is stolen doesn't understand how AI works.
@somanyquestions3180
Жыл бұрын
To my mind, art is what allows us to understand another person's experience of the world. That can be as simple as the joy of "look at this beautiful sunset" or as complex as a novel that fully transports the reader into the world of its protagonist. And yes, that is a very broad definition of art, but IMO nothing good has ever come of "that's not art!" It not only dismisses the work itself, but also the artist as a thinking, feeling (albeit perhaps not overly talented) human being. So, I agree that intent is the key point, but to me, it's art if it was made with the intent of expressing an emotion or internal landscape. AIs don't have emotions or internal landscapes, so they cannot make art, only mimic it.
@ecxstasy347
7 ай бұрын
If someone had intent to express an emotion or an internal landscape, and used AI as a tool (as a painter would use a brush) via specified prompts to express said thing, wouldn’t that then be considered art?
@hrethsigor
Жыл бұрын
My brother and I had a conversation about this a few months ago. It started with the observation of how people like to use ‘art’ as an enhancer (e.g. calling a car a work of art to make it seem fancier)
@hdez.diMayo
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping this videos FREE. I've been thinking a lot about this theme and it really amuses, i'm in a NEW kind of knowledge that hasn't been studied the full possibilities and it really intrigues me I really liked that part were you explained what happened to the artists when the photography came in. When the sound came into cinema, Directors were really frustated because the silent cinema had found his language after a long way of just representing the reality by what it was and nothing else. But sound cinema found his way too, and it was clear that silent and sound were two completely different things, you can´t just add soun to a film that was intended to be silent. I really wonder if the same history with Photography and sound cinema will happen with ai art: It will find his own language, is his own language being a soulless illustration? Yet, i can't believe that the answer is just "Because we are humans" It really amazes and at the same time scares me the possibilities of the future of art.
@DarkwaveMistress
Жыл бұрын
The discussion of AI generated images reminded me of how revolutionary modern collage was. I feel it's kind of the same: you take someone else's work very literally in both cases and make something new. The difference is that collages HAVE intentionality and creativity behind them, and AI gen doesn't. The solution is to go down the route some AI artists like Henar Sherif have: DO something with it. Work the image. Take from several and make something different. Build upon it to tell a story. CREATE using the base. That's art. Me imputing the same prompt 10 times because the AI keeps throwing things that aren't what I want isn't. My only true problem is the usage of art without permission. That's not fair use. Fair use is, anyways, a policy, not a law, and the power to determine fair use in in the hands of the owner of the copyright. So, no, fair use isn't an excuse especially when people are profiting by selling their AI generators or by selling the output.
@TheLily97232
Жыл бұрын
Apparently he is saying it's not enough art
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Watch the video again, even in a hypothetical case where this was fully ethical and fully legal, we would still have problems…
@DarkwaveMistress
Жыл бұрын
@@biomuseum6645 I watched it. And I agree. I was specifically speaking about what's happening right now.
@DarkwaveMistress
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLily97232 Yes, and I agree because of the reasons I stated above. AI generated will never be art on its own.
@Merilirem
Жыл бұрын
Depends. I think if you choose a piece the choosing of it gives it artistic value. How much? Hard to say but there is a reason you chose the 11th attempt instead of the other 10 the ai gave you. The fact you didn't create it directly doesn't change the fact that it exists by your will.
@hippotripo6145
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s difficult to define whether an artwork has meaning beyond visual appeal. Any work is trying to achieve more than look nice, no matter how commercialized it is. Even just a straightforward landscape painting will try to highlight certain aspects of nature. How can we draw the line of some kind of social commentary as what makes it art? I’m certain AI art will be able to soon, if not already, take a message and create an artwork that symbolizes similar to how a human artist would.
@dragonkidofhearts
Жыл бұрын
Art has so much more meaning beyond Visual appeal. The beauty of art is seeing what or why an artists makes the choices that they do in art. Why did they choose to color something this way, why did they choose this line thickness, they put an incredible effort and focus into how they drew this character's shoulders for example. What does that say about the artist and what is the artist trying to say. The fun part about art is what is the artist trying to say and how are they choosing to convey that.
@odb1612
Жыл бұрын
yeah but it just reproduces patterns of human ways of creating meaning, it is never itself an agent, a subject expressing some part the existence as a living human being
@lunayen
Жыл бұрын
Ai isn't trying to achieve anything.
@numbersix8919
Жыл бұрын
Art criticism and social commentary are two different things.
@wierdalien1
Жыл бұрын
@lunayen no, but nor is the paintbrush, but you don't hear people criticising the existence of them.
@new-bp6ix
Жыл бұрын
in the episode "Neptune's Spatula," SpongeBob attempts to answer the question of what is the meaning of art by challenging Neptune to a cook-off. SpongeBob only makes one hamburger, but is able to prove his worthiness as an artist by using a unique combination of ingredients and condiments to make it a work of art. This episode made me not afraid of artificial intelligence, because in the end people will see the truth
@DeliaSnagglefang
5 ай бұрын
A fascinating topic. In my long life as an artist there have been others who openly copied my work. This was intensely distressing until my husband said, "You have only one option. Outrun them." Thereafter I always made sure that my work clearly represented ME and it has proved to be wise in every way. I paint for me, what is on the canvas or in the clay represents what my mind sees. A happy way to work which oddly makes me no longer consider my work to be in the long continuum of art history. It is just me. I hope the same solution may be helpful with AI, at least for now.
@NewExperienceExplorer
Жыл бұрын
I think it's more of a frightening thing for artists how fast and accurate the work produced by AI is , where artists might imitate and then integrate a style over years , AI can do it between a second and a day.
@cyborgredpenguin
Жыл бұрын
Yes, thanks to algorithm
@Arbby2003
Жыл бұрын
Photography did that before AI but people still create hyper-realism art
@ashtonandkylievideos2929
Жыл бұрын
Knew a local band that had an artist paint while they played; the one show I saw he painted a mural.... Cant even remember watch the picture was he painted, but the experience was what I loved.... I guess if you wanna pretty picture hire AI, if you want an experience watch an artist
@thetombuck
Жыл бұрын
@@Arbby2003 no it didn't. The photographer had to understand composition, lighting, camera operation and dark room processes. They didn't press a button and get an instant artwork.
@aztro.99
Жыл бұрын
@@Arbby2003 photography is taking pictures of REALITY and one still needs an understanding of technique to master it, an ai generated image has no origin its just an amalgamation of real human ones, except with all the decisiveness and meaning of a real piece. tired of these half ass analogies comparing photography to ai; they arent even cousins
@SmitzPNK
Жыл бұрын
if i dont make art, i die, so whether or not im replaced by a machine doesnt change this fact, ill just be bent over im my dark room painting more pictures
@ZiggzMcGee
4 ай бұрын
I'm so happy I found your channel today. Thank you for existing!
@grahamparr3933
10 ай бұрын
If chucking a bucket of paint at a wall is art, anything goes.
@Braylude
Жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes to a video on the intersection between capitalism and art. Such an interesting topic, and one that I would love to hear you expend your ideas on even further! Great vid as always!!! You always open my mind, and have me leaving the video with not only more knowledge than when I had started, but also more questions about the world!
@AshiwiZuni
Жыл бұрын
This was not a video about capitalism and commodification of art. It was a bitterly put together rant about why AI isnt as “talented” as humans. He barely even scratched the surface on why commodification is a negative.
@AshiwiZuni
Жыл бұрын
@Lilith .J ??? i didn’t say I could, its just weird that people are acting like this is a dedicated video on these intersections. Thats my entire point. Theres tons of comments like this. Its a short form surface level analysis of AI and art. This video itself is a form of commodified art. Not some profound analysis and critique of capital. Its a well narrated, consumable video but really not as deep or complex as some are trying to make it out to be. If you have 2 active synapses in your brain, its pretty easy to see. Trying to defend your fav parasocial relationship doesnt work unless you actually engage with the points being made.
@numbersix8919
Жыл бұрын
I would also like to see such a video, this guy seems like the right one to do it. I appreciated what George Lucas said about the Hollywood system very much!!!
@blossomnosleep
Жыл бұрын
@@lilithdoesstuff4870 nah fr dude really be raging on the internet of all places its ok here but if some troll comes in i bet it will turn into an 500 comment long argumetn lol
@rickeyheard4454
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes another loser who believes that capitalism is the worst thing ever. This video doesn't even have anything to do with capitalism
@m-ok-6379
Жыл бұрын
I love how AI came for the high skilled jobs first instead of low skilled job.
@lunayen
Жыл бұрын
Um? Self check-out?
@anlimeow9693
Жыл бұрын
@Federico Lerzo has AI built a house?
@rice.flakes
7 ай бұрын
This was a beautiful anecdote. Thank you. I am currently writing my bachelor thesis on this exact question and even though I obviously still have to do a whole scientific process, I am grateful for the thought aspects this video has given me.
@fabionerbon8058
Жыл бұрын
What makes something "art" is the nail used to hang it on a wall. The invention of photography was supposed end art, but they were able to create some new and beautiful language that the camera could not do: impressionism (and now photography is considered a form of art in it's own right).
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Let’s be real, this software companies need you to believe you’re “doing art” They do this not because of “democratizing art”, but because they need people training the AIs, so they can go autopilot after that As someone said, *when the product is free, you’re the product*
@eliescobis9922
Жыл бұрын
imagine calling yourself "Artists" when you commisioned a machine to make images for you oh sure i am as good as Gordon Ramsay i put a food in the microwave XDXDXDXD
@RedRocksies
Жыл бұрын
Some of these AIs have you pay them monthly costs for copyrights (if I've understood it correctly) so you are not only training them to eventually go autopilot but you are also paying for it. Granted, you'll get some sort of light claim on copyrights but what happens if current legal vacuum turns out not to favor you as "prompt engineer" or your AI company overlords? What happens if those AI company overlords as they say pull the rug under you and you no more can pay them to have copyrights or there's some small text that they can revoke your claim to copyright at any point in time, no questions asked? People are so fucking stupidly naive with this whole thing it's really killing my interest in doing art... I think I'll wait how this whole shitshow turns out before I post online anything.
@snickle1980
Жыл бұрын
@@RedRocksies its questionable whether artists should be posting artwork online at all. artistic work is constantly being stolen, altered to claim ownership, displayed, marketed by and sold to others on the internet. The advent of AI aggravated this issue for artists exponentially. Artists of every shape and color. Myself included. As a writer, I've had some accept some harsh realities about what AI will take from creative writers. 😒 I don't mind the loss of profit, but being accused of using an AI tool for my own creative work is going to be pretty awful.
@TheLily97232
Жыл бұрын
Democratization of art is teaching it at school as a mandatory curriculum ; this is DEFINITELY not that lol
@someuser4166
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLily97232 if anything its De-democratization of art. The ai users are robbing themselves of actually experiencing art. youll only truly appreciate it after youve put in the effort to learn and know how hard it really is.
@danielebraccio2474
Жыл бұрын
I agree with most of what has been said in this video; art transcends the need for money and it should be viewed as the expression of what makes us truly alive and human, and as an aspiring artist getting ready for art university here's hoping to one day be part of a newly refreshed and reborn ART market in which the sheer emotional and subjective perspective is enough to live off this wonderful discipline
@bobdots5974
Жыл бұрын
You lost me when you talked about your art as part of a "newly refreshed and reborn art MARKET..." You are part of the problem when you talk about marking art into a commodity and I fear that you just don't get the point. Your argument actually contradicts itself from the start to the end of its first sentence...
@danielebraccio2474
Жыл бұрын
@@bobdots5974 actually no, what i mean is that i would like a MARKET where any art can be viable to make a living off in a way that the process of intent of it will not be hindered by the needs of making art with the intent of making money
@psterud
Жыл бұрын
@@bobdots5974 Same. Daniele: If you're going to be authentic about your art, and maybe eventually make some money from it, you really have to forget about the market and just go straight towards finding your "voice," which is what you want to say and how you want to say it, without compromise.
@Happy_Moon
Жыл бұрын
@@psterud I agree. Just like that quote from the 3 idiots: "Don't chase success. Be a Good engineer and success will chase you", but instead its about being a good artist.
@bobdots5974
Жыл бұрын
Hi @@danielebraccio2474 , I do appreciate where you are coming from as your point of view is not uncommon. In my opinion the purpose of art is not to make money (a living) it is a means to communicate with other people. I'll put that aside for a moment though and discuss your dilemma as a young person starting out as an artist. As an artist in the 'capitalist system' discussed in this video, you can try finding a patron, or a gallery that will support you - but these are vanishingly rare. You will also inevitably be required to produce 'what somebody else wants', which is the antithesis of art. If you can't find a patron or sell your art to make a living, then you must do like everybody else and get a day job. If you still make art in your own time, then congratulations - you really are an artist and have something important to say. I truly do wish you well in the future, art is a struggle for most artists but it is always worthwhile.
@lesteryaytrippy7282
Жыл бұрын
Just wanna say that I love your topics/content. I'm not in the art world nor an artist but knowing things like this is important to me. I look forward to a lot of the other topics you want to cover.
@Eduardoalexanderart
Жыл бұрын
I think your take on what’s art is so refreshing and simple. I like it Picasso
@michailalein
Жыл бұрын
As a student who has read my Jameson and my Fisher, I am like yes but no. I think narrowing the definition of art could rob us of something and since we are already due to lose something because of AI art, I don't want to intentionally be deprived of more...
@devfromthefuture506
Жыл бұрын
10:40 It's amazing that your cited the fountain because there is already an new forum with only re-imaginated Duchamp's fountains made by AI
@timefliesaway999
Жыл бұрын
“Do we want all artists to be replaced by ai?” Unfortunately, that is exactly what most ai users want. They’re jealous of the “talent” that we have, too lazy to start drawing themselves and then argue that not everyone is able to afford art supplies. (Please, If yore able to have access to the internet, you can also afford an ikea pencil and a piece of paper.)
@temin2776
Жыл бұрын
I can draw, but it's really awful. I don't think, you wanna see that.
@timefliesaway999
Жыл бұрын
@@temin2776 practice is the key
@CosmicHowlerx
Жыл бұрын
@@temin2776 No one was born with genius-like skills. The genius was created not born with it.
@gracecalis5421
Жыл бұрын
That still ignores the glaring issue in that achieving the level of artistry that most people want requires years, if not decades, of practice. And for most, they're not using these programs to become "AI artists". They just want a product. If I'm a small business owner who's opening up a cafe on a tight budget, and I'm given 4 options: 1. To make the logo myself and be satisfied with an amateurish half-assed logo, 2. To postpone my cafe's opening by years as I sharpen my skills as an artist to make the logo that I desire, 3. To commission an artist to make the logo for me for a significant sum of money, or 4. To use an AI Model in the internet and acquire a professional-level logo either for free or for a very low fee, I think the most optimal choice is fairly obvious. In the end, these AI models are built to shine in scenarios like those. They become the "McDonalds" of the art world; cheap and readily available, yet still delicious and filling. Most people aren't looking for artistic merit in the arts they commission, they just want something that's aesthetically pleasing enough to suffice for whatever practical purposes they have.
@theostragonidis7548
Жыл бұрын
@@gracecalis5421 AI models are going to surpass real artists, just like AI surpassed humans in chess and go. People have been telling you this for decades but it was falling on deaf ears right up to the moment it hit artists in the purse, then they started noticing what is going on. Like it or not, AI is going to supersede us, it's inevitable. Just like a child supersedes it's parent. Artists are fighting a 1-stupid and 2-losing battle. You can't stop progress.
@TiffyVella1
19 сағат бұрын
Everything I would say has been said. I comment for the algorithm. The green of your background is the most perfect lovely green. Thanks for that, and thankyou for your very human commentary. As an artist, I appreciate this.
@Sootpelt
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video on capitalism’s effects on art. As for AI art… I can’t help but think of a video I watched recently by Blind Dweller on Kim Noble, a dissociative identity disorder system. One point the video made was that for many alters within the system, art was a process and the act of creating it was therapy. The end product was not the goal, but the the act of creation itself. I can’t help but feel that’s an important part of human-made art. There is a conversation between the viewer of a finished piece and the artist of the past, that same artist as they slowly make decisions and bring their work to completion. In a way, the finished piece is a snapshot of an artist at a certain point in time. AI art eliminates that. Instead of capturing an artist’s process and their mental state, it becomes all about consumption and the end product. I think that’s a great loss. Not only is the art “soulless,” but it has also lost the chance for it to be a means of human connection.
@modestrocker1
Жыл бұрын
ai images - not art
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Foll-E Unstable Shitfussion Mediocre Journey I never learned their names…
@homemadefilms5718
Жыл бұрын
yeah. personally, the joy of human-made art is thinking about the process the artist went through to make it
@sithlord5149
Жыл бұрын
I think the fact that there is no artist makes the Ai images interesting
@superafrikanmedialabs8237
Жыл бұрын
@@sithlord5149 Meaningless.
@Arbby2003
Жыл бұрын
Fear not, AI won't replace human artists completely because though photography was introduced people have been creating hyper-realism art, even now. AI will just coexist as a tool of expression along with others.
@ivy4360
Жыл бұрын
Hand made things had always been more valuable
@sraraon9828
Жыл бұрын
@@ivy4360 no depends of the person
@BombalurinaAI
Жыл бұрын
@@ivy4360 Value is subjective and always subject to change. A handcrafted shirt may be nice, but the machine manufactured version is faster, cheaper, and likely better quality.
@Merilirem
Жыл бұрын
@@BombalurinaAI Indeed its more that the ones that still exist regardless exist because they hold more value even if only sentimental. All the ones made just to be shirts good enough to wear have stopped being made.
@daviddyephotography
10 ай бұрын
can AI be used to create a thought provoking image if I am able to express my inner vision in a manner that allows the AI to produce the image I envision? in the way a painter uses a brush, or photographer uses their camera ? If I do not have the ability to draw or paint in a manner that would allow me to create the image I see in my brain, and I am (after trial and error of mult. attemps) am able to produce an image that communicates my inner thoughts and vision, would it not be art? If I use a computer tablet to sketch out my image and color it in, is it no longer art since no paper, ink or paint is used? Inphotography, I may capture an image and either porocess it faithfully to the reality of that moment, or I may alter it in a way that produces the image I saw in my minds eye which was created in my imagination stimulated by the scene in front of me. In music autotune allows people who have difficulty singing in tune, to sing right on note. as this is AI processing to produce the correct notes, is it no longer singing and just computer generated sounds? As a photographic artist, I admit there is a fine line between an artful photograph and a graphic illustration but at the same time todays software allows me to look at a scene thar excites me, capture it and then enhance or alter it into the image I saw in my mind. As I say at times, when I take a picture, I am not photographing what it is, but what it could become, the final statement. As painters have long done, capturing a version of reality as an interpretation of their 'vision'. so will AI bring about the death of art? or become another tool of expression? can cut either way as have all new methods of creating art have been, a double edged sword
@aphrog649
Жыл бұрын
I think whether something is “art” or not should be more a matter of whether it’s self expression or not rather than having explicit meaning. Inherently this makes almost everything illustrated by humans art (and I’d argue things like commissions would still be considered art because you’re helping someone else in their self expression) but leaves out AI because there really isn’t a “self” to express.
@digitab4446
Жыл бұрын
Wait, if commissions count for that reason, wouldn't that mean that AI art counts as well because the prompters are using an AI to assist in expressing themselves? Note that I don't support AI "art", I just wanted think more on this.
@buriedalive3192
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't AI art be a form of expression then? Someone expressing themselves through the AI's interpretation of prompts. What makes photography art if AI isn't? It's a really interesting debate on the meaning of art.
@Merilirem
Жыл бұрын
@@digitab4446 That is exactly it. The AI art is at its most basic level just a commission. Only instead of a specific artist you are dealing with an amalgamation of what humanity knows as art. The end result came from the one who wished for it to exist and accepted the result. This is at the very least an expression of something within the one who "commissioned" the art from the AI. Once a person starts fiddling with it it goes beyond that base level though.
@aphrog649
Жыл бұрын
@@digitab4446 hmm that’s an interesting thought… I honestly don’t know the answer, but I see your point 😅
@PASTRAMIKick
Жыл бұрын
Man I really thought the first jobs to be replaced by AI would be in Finance, Insurance, accounting and other office jobs of that sort, I didn't think that illustrators would be in any danger. I guess that the only jobs that are totally safe for now are those that require labor with your hands, electricians, plumbers, hvac people, construction. Corporations are as soulless as they can get, for them "AI art" is art and if it means less money spent then it's worth it.
@TheEvilDatsuTube
Жыл бұрын
Wait, but works like Duchamp's Urinal emphasize that what defines an "Art" piece is not some essence or quality in the artistic object itself, but a specific relation with the object as such from the part of the viewer. Getting further with this idea, anything could be considered "Art" in the right context or if the viewer desired it so. If a spectator reads an AI Work as "Art" and decides to interact with it beyond simple beauty and towards a place of ideas (ideas which are usually expressed though a painting's aesthetics and visuals, things an AI can easily replicate, even if without cohesion), wouldn't this make this AI Work "Art" despite any other categorical definition that we could give it? This whole debate reminds me a lot of that case in which a lot of art critics were astonished by some abstract paintings and derived the most beautiful ideas out of it only to discover it was made by a Chimp without any idea of what "Art" even is. Does this take away from the aesthetic experience those critics had? I personally don't believe so. From what I believe, we cannot define what "Art" is or isn't, it only is Art as far as we have a specific relation with an object as such. The biggest problem with AI Art right now doesn't seem to be an aesthetical or philosophical one, but more of a systemical and economical problem that the first half of this video described with great concision.
@jackied962
Жыл бұрын
I feel like every art trend for the last 100 years, having critics say that it's not actually art is what made it popular.
@sithlord5149
Жыл бұрын
like what is art to begin with?
@foxdoe7540
Жыл бұрын
@@sithlord5149 A chemical reaction that happens in our brain. People will have a rude awakening soon lol.
@sithlord5149
Жыл бұрын
@@foxdoe7540that doesn't explain anything
@foxdoe7540
Жыл бұрын
@@sithlord5149 Art isn't really a thing. It's just things we find beautiful and assign meaning to. A.I. are proving that the "art" is inside the human brain, not in their creation. There is no difference between finding a sunset beautiful or a painting beautiful. The meaning you associate to stuff is up to you based on your memories.
@sithlord5149
Жыл бұрын
@@foxdoe7540 That's true but that applies to every word it has no concrete definition and it can change the problem I have with your definition of the word "art" is that it is far to broad to mean much .Your definition is something I like .
@spectrazone
Жыл бұрын
Automation is for jobs we don't need to do. The idea of offloading artistic expression to an AI, even outside of the pressures of capitalism, is inhuman. We make and consume art to communicate.
@zackie8172
Жыл бұрын
Implying that art is needed for society to thrive, artists have the most worthless jobs
@gvd72
Жыл бұрын
But not everyone can make art. While ai art may or may not be considered “art” it does allow those without natural talent to create the images in their head they never had the ability to recreate before.
@spectrazone
Жыл бұрын
@@zackie8172 There are needs we should fulfill before art in order to have a functional society, but if you think art jobs are worthless you are deluded. I'm assuming you watch no movies or TV and play no video games given this stance.
@spectrazone
Жыл бұрын
@@gvd72 There is no natural talent, we all learn it. If a person wants to make art they should endeavor to do so with what tools and abilities they have; even if they can't perfectly transcribe their imagination, it's an enriching experience, and there are meaningful things you can create without thousands of hours of practice. If people want to use AI to workshop ideas or see what a computer's interpretation of some words are, that's fine. I just despise the idea of this encroaching on human art (both by way of using images without consent, and in passing AI art off as human, entering it in human art competitions, etc.) AI art in a vacuum is morally neutral, but as it exists now it's exploitative and will negatively affect certain art jobs.
@heathersmith8549
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful thought provoking critique on why AI isn’t art. I’ve never been in the “AI is Art” camp but didn’t have the words to express why. Thank you for adding to my argument. Have a wonderful new year.
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
I’d also recommend the video of “Cosmic Spectrum Art”, the best for me The one of Steven Zapata and Vaush are nice ones too
@theliar4558
Жыл бұрын
AI art, or art created using artificial intelligence, is a relatively new phenomenon that has sparked a great deal of debate in the art world. Some critics argue that AI art is not truly "art" because it is created by a machine rather than a human. However, this argument is misguided and fails to take into account the complexity and creativity that goes into creating AI art. First and foremost, it is important to understand that AI art is not simply the product of a computer algorithm. The process of creating AI art involves a great deal of human input and decision-making. For example, a human artist may train a machine learning model on a dataset of images, and then use that model to generate new images. The artist must choose which images to include in the dataset, and must also decide how to tweak the parameters of the model to achieve a certain aesthetic. Additionally, AI art often requires a great deal of technical skill and knowledge. Creating a machine learning model that can generate images that are indistinguishable from those created by a human artist is no easy task. It requires a deep understanding of both the technical aspects of machine learning and the creative process of art-making. Another important point is that AI art is not a replacement for human art, but an addition to it. AI art can be seen as a new medium for human artist to explore, and that in many cases, AI art is not meant to replace human artist but to expand their work. Finally, it is worth noting that many of the objections to AI art are rooted in a narrow and outdated understanding of what art is. Art has always been a reflection of the technology and society of its time, and AI art is no different. To reject it outright is to reject the evolution of art itself. In conclusion, AI art is indeed art. It is a form of art that involves human input, technical skill, and creativity. It is not a replacement for human art but an addition to it. Those who whine about why it isn't are simply clinging to a narrow and outdated understanding of what art is. AI art is a new medium for artists to explore, and it is an exciting development in the world of art. (This comment has been generated by ChatGPT)
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
@@theliar4558 chat gta or whatever belongs to the same company that made dalle 2, are you excepting it won’t defend it for the sake of both products's profit? Also, at least the pro ai people write their own comments, but in your case you can’t even do that, you rely on ai even for having your own thoughts…
@theliar4558
Жыл бұрын
@@biomuseum6645 It's not that I don't have my own thoughts. It's that this subject is not worth the time or effort for forming them into words. So, I asked for help from something that can do it better and quicker. Artists aren't the first, nor are they the last to be pushed aside because of the growth of technology. They're just the best at whining about it.
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
@@theliar4558 you know what else got pushed aside by technology? Your critical thinking, this thing didn’t help, it straight out made a f advertisement for you, both belong to the same company so it won’t attack ai images What’s next in this endless trend of “I don’t have time I need help”? An ai that wipes your 🍑 and gives you your pap in your mouth?
@NoNameNo.5
Жыл бұрын
I seem to recall all of these same arguments being made toward Warhol
@DJDiarrhea
Жыл бұрын
I remember my mother told me that the point of art was sending a message while illustrations, as you put it, only represented their subject matter. I think it's an apt description of art in general being very much applicable across the different media of art.
@zps272
Жыл бұрын
No amount of art can reflect the true nature of reality. It doesn't matter if we use words or illustrations. I wish more people could see the beauty with the incompleteness. "is this art?"
@IvellScarlett
Жыл бұрын
So I appreciated that you brought up capitalism so directly. I feel like many people are dancing around that word. Art has been commodified for a long time and Ai Art is the end destination of that road. There is no Artist behind Ai Art, it's just more content to be consumed. Just pixels to stimulate the eyeballs. What I don't understand is your stance on dater collection. I think it is the biggest issue with Ai Art, so it's strange that you brushed past it so quickly. I think the conversation about Ai Art would look completely different if these companies had used only public-domain images. The content the AI Image generated would create would look a lot different. The images would have a dated look, and wouldn't appeal to modern audiences. What I also disagree with is that the history of art is about copying other artist. I'm an artist and I feel like non-artists overestimate how much artists influence each other to a ridiculous extent. If you talk to Ai-Art defenders you might think, that all we do is copy each other. But in Art school you are told to draw from life, to look at the real world. We were encouraged to start with a realistic style and develop something unique from that. Not to copy another artist.
@Edheldui
Жыл бұрын
"Art has been commodified for a long time and Ai Art is the end destination of that road." AI art is quite literally the opposite of that. It's open source and everyone can use it to express themselves regardless of resources. It doesn't get less capitalistic than that.
@redtro8678
Жыл бұрын
@@Edheldui I don't think anyone really believes they can use ai generators to make something that actually expresses what they want to express. And if they do then the expression in question must be of the lowest form, something like expressing that you're just generally unwell or that you're like literally just hungry or something. The capitalist dream is one of AIs generating endless feeds where everything is so optimized that it doesn't even matter what you actually show the user, they'll still like it.
@Merilirem
Жыл бұрын
@@redtro8678 Give it time and you will absolutely be able to express yourself with AI art. The issue with AI art atm is only that its hard to control what the AI does. Once its more precise you will be able to create the images you see in your head and carve them from the AI's chaos. That sounds like expression to me. You can already achieve it to some extent, its just much harder to get the important details right. That magic still exists in AI art because its not the AI who says its good or done, its you.
@redtro8678
Жыл бұрын
@@Merilirem Even if it becomes more precise I think most of the art done by AIs will still be really boring. I mean for a lot of artists its not just about the endproduct either.
@antoineguerrier2965
Жыл бұрын
@@redtro8678 Think of all the terms you enter in your AI generators as brushes of paint. Once the technique is refined enough, it will become a tool for Joe Schmo to make the piece of art that he never could due to having to feed his family and a lack of skill.
@jerryye1060
Жыл бұрын
As mentioned by some comments, "low art" such as illustrations, concept art, comics, etc, are not just "aesthetically pleasing pictures". They tell a story through the choice and placement of subjects. A good concept art / illustration of, say a knight, isn't just "person with sword and heavy armor". It takes into account things like the backstory/origins of the knight, the setting of the kingdom they serve, the practicality of their armor in terms of the work they do, etc. These factors will influence the design of the armor, the knight's expression, their pose, etc. A lot of concept artists say that coming up with the initial ideas and thumbnail is where most of their brain goes into, and that later on the rendering of the image (i.e. painting) is just going through the motions. In this sense, AI art at its current state could potentially automate a lot of the technical work that goes into the rendering, while the artist is still responsible for the ideas. The problem then, is that some of us actually enjoy the rendering process as it can be therapeutic and rewarding at the end. But it could definitely make it more apparent, to society, what separates a "pretty picture" from "a picture that tells a story". And of course, in the future, AI will be capable of generating ideas and solving design problems, so all of our jobs will become obsolete anyways, but that's another discussion lol.
@psyche1988
Жыл бұрын
Keep coping, AI will become just a useless fad.
@-carlos-danger1891
Жыл бұрын
I guess art is no longer subjective when we are going to make rules about what is and isn't art.
@rubiestrada3789
Жыл бұрын
It's never been subjective, there has always been rules, but like humanity evolves so does our cultural perspectives
@-carlos-danger1891
Жыл бұрын
@@rubiestrada3789 Gotcha. Art has rules. Sounds very openminded.
@XYZ-qt5rn
Жыл бұрын
"Art is like religion. For the believers, it's everything. For anyone else, it's just a pile of bullshit"
@dylanwalsh2574
Жыл бұрын
I understand why someone would say this, but I also think that people who disregard the importance of art often forget that their favourite music, movies, shows, video games and clothes are all designed by artists. People love art, even those who don't realise it because they themselves are not the ones making it, whereas religion often actively persecutes those who disregard it.
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Foll-E Unstable Shitfussion Mediocre Journey I never learned their names…
@penjamin1479
Жыл бұрын
And yet you consume art voluntarily all the time.
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Is funny how our pals using ai try to humanize the machine as much as they can when it comes to references in order to avoid criticism for copyright, but then they dehumanize it as much as they can when it comes to creating the image in order to claim the picture as “theirs”
@eliescobis9922
Жыл бұрын
YOU NOTICED THAT TOO??
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
@@eliescobis9922 sure
@eliescobis9922
Жыл бұрын
they treat AI like a skynet or other glados XDXDXD
@wilforddraper1894
Жыл бұрын
I don't, AI art is art, there's just no such thing as an AI artist.
@eliescobis9922
Жыл бұрын
@@wilforddraper1894 AI art exists But AI artists is a made up term
@stanley7980
Жыл бұрын
really philosofical end gotta say, keep up the grind dude
@zefellowbud5970
Жыл бұрын
For me there seems to be three different definitons of art Art as expression Art as skill Art as product I would not use illustration as the separated group but rather use product A product is something made by something else which you buy or interact with.
@pkpmendez3
Жыл бұрын
Bravo! Exceptionally well put. Another great video as always. Keep up the amazing work!
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
The copyright issue is just the tip of the iceberg, these AIs were made to atomize the art community, so they don’t feel like they need each other, their marketing also depends on you feeling “not enough” and thinking a big gargantuan product must be your expression, at the end of the day, artists may not be fully replaced, but only a small pocket of them will be doing most of the media, in case these stuff doesn’t go on autopilot as some others expect And for those saying, "you can do art as a hobby", for me it's like the person you're in love rejected your dreams of a relationship, but “you can still be friends”
@wierdalien1
Жыл бұрын
I am calling bullshit on that. I am sure it was made just to see if we could.
@craftingday352
Жыл бұрын
I believe there are four types of art. 1. Man-made: visual arts, performing arts, fashion, literature, architecture - produced by inspiration, through experiences and level of expertise. 2. Animal-Created: A paw print in a cement pavement though accidental but made by my pet whom I love, is art to me because of its significance. 3. Nature: A tree, valley or a constellation can be art. Not just because it looks beautiful, but because it is inspiring, and it influences people’s value of nature. 4. Technological: I consider AI Generated illustrations as art because it can provide inspiration, it can produce beautiful images that people can appreciate. There are limits to each type, the same way each has their own advantage. Though at times they overlap, they cannot truly be compared. I cannot produce beautiful trees, I can only plant them. A dog can’t recite a poem. A rock can’t make itself a building, and an AI can’t produce an art on it its own unless commanded. Even its “free-will mode” is programmed.
@dagan8659
8 ай бұрын
producing ispirations, doesn't make it art...
@Historymaker-2001
6 ай бұрын
I'm not an artist in the traditional sense. My canvas isn't a blank sheet of paper or vinyl. I build and paint models. In doing so I express my view of the world. An AI could never do that for me.
@user1-theOG
11 күн бұрын
Just wait until an ai designs a cad model and then automatically 3d prints it...
@dm-h6986
Жыл бұрын
This was a great way of describing this. I always mention the Fountain when discussing this topic. What are your thoughts on integration? In the sense of using AI generated images as assets or inspiration of art built from or on top of the image. I am curious as someone that makes collages I have used AI to create "photographs" that I will incorporate with other images to create my pieces. One major point of collage making is to cut from other media and create something new. What are y'alls thoughts?
@moraantonparcet4546
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I find myself thinking about how collage works in that sense too. We take images that weren't made by us, even drawings, and make it something new, gave it another meaning. I think using AI for creating images for your own collages is a wonderful idea! You are not expecting the AI for do all the work, it's just another tool :)
@stratospheric37
Жыл бұрын
I feel like when a human creates, he bleeds onto the canvas or his creation and puts a little bit of him onto the art he creates. Our hands are always bleeding and staining and imprinting all we create with ourselves and our humanity, our thoughts and framework of things.
@felonyx5123
Жыл бұрын
And yet, we often encounter art that was created anonymously, or the creator has simply been lost to time. And that can be a functionally similar thing. Whatever meaning the artist poured into it themselves is unknown and unknowable, all there is is what the viewer imparts. We can encounter a scene of suffering and imagine the hardships of its anonymous creator, when in reality their life was completely unlike our guess. And yet the feelings you got from imagining that were real all the same. Imagine coming across a random bit of AI art on some webpage, with no indication that's what it is. Is the meaning you read into it not knowing that any less real than how you engage with the work of an anonymous human?
@moraantonparcet4546
Жыл бұрын
This comment is beautiful and the answer is really interesting. I'm taking screenshots to remember and think about what you two said :)
@numbersix8919
Жыл бұрын
@@felonyx5123 Not a functionally similar thing.
@numbersix8919
Жыл бұрын
Quite right. All humans share a common humanity. Or they used to do. A commenter below may already half machine himself, so please ignore him. The threat of AI is real. Just one more step away from contact with the human, and knowledge of ourselves. We see the human best, and learn about the human in ourselves, from others of our kind. This is the essence of art.
@stratospheric37
Жыл бұрын
@@felonyx5123 Huh, I never thought of it lile that.
@jamesadams6360
Жыл бұрын
When you invited the commenters to change your mind, I rolled my eyes. "Silence, KZitemr. I'm not boosting your algorithm." But here I am, because your closing argument contained such a glaring oversight, I had to speak up. Art contains meaning and a deeper conversation ONLY because the viewer pulls that meaning out of their engagement with a piece. Meaning in isn't encoded by the artist. He's not in the museum, holding our hand, telling us why his use of of amaranth instead of vermillion is significant. The audience interrogates that out of the piece in a private dialogue between themselves and the art. What that means is the audience inevitably attributes meaning the artist did not and sees deliberate choice where no thought was given. That means it's impossible for people to apply your distinction. People will hallucinate meaning and context and deliberate choice into AI generated art. Everything will appear to have meaning, and in some real sense it will. It won't have an artist's meaning, but then again, it never did in practice anyway. The distinction you draw is dead on arrival, but it's worse than that, because there is enough control in prompt creation that AI art can be used to convey deliberate meaning. Subject, composition, medium, and tone can be used to convey meaning and are easily manipulated in prompts. If you want to push this idea, it's going to take a much, much narrower definition of art, and I honestly don't think any definition is going to hold out indefinitely. You'll be revising your definition of art again in 10 years.
@sentientleopard2a7
Жыл бұрын
Incredible video, I can finally point out the exact difference between art and "not art".
@BathroomTile
Жыл бұрын
I used to believe this stricter separation of art and illustration when I was in college, but I find myself making this distinction less and less. I'm not sure I fully agree here. I understand the point fully, but I also believe now that regardless of the intent, the moment a human decides to express something inside them, even if it's just the need to create a pretty image, that is in itself an act of creation, and therefore art in a sense. Even if it's to become a product, even if it could be reproduced by a machine, I don't think the "line" to defininf art should be brought down to the philosofical intent of the artist. It can simply be left at the fact that a human intended to create, even if the image is visually undistinguishable from a machine. At the end of the day I don't think AI changes really all that much about art conceptually, aside from the issues with IP and stealing labor, and even though I respect your opinion, it kind of is sounding like an excuse to be in fact slightly elitist about the definition of art.
@modestrocker1
Жыл бұрын
and yet this is not an expression of a human - and has 0 hand of an artist in it. it will never be art.
@arnold2428
Жыл бұрын
Well said. Love this channel, but he's reiterating every MFA programs demonization of Illustration as having merit as "art". I disagree with his notion of art/image must be a tool of communication, not merely as entertainment. By that logic, stop signs are the greatest form of objective art. The idea that entertainment is devoid of visual communication comes off as naive. And if art is defined as having an intention, then really it is as simple as anything and every form of conscious human action can be considered an expression of "art".
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Foll-E Unstable Shitfussion Mediocre Journey I never learned their names…
@michemicalromance
Жыл бұрын
also, on a pretty picture there can be a lot of information and emotions even though it's not completely clear to one viewer or another. theres pretty art with a lot of personality coming through it
@curiousworld7912
Жыл бұрын
Under extreme Capitalism; a country ceases to be a society, and becomes merely an economy. Everything is commodified and all interactions, transactional. This is where we're headed, if not already there.
@emubeepboop
Жыл бұрын
I feel like entertainment can also definitely be art, video games can be art, ect. I want to do character design/concept design and I still see that as art.
@em3m998
Жыл бұрын
I think Video Games can also be art as it can be more than a Video Game. But then there's Video Games merely created for profit.
@GrumpDog
Жыл бұрын
I don't even make Ai art. But I can easily see how it's just another tool artists will adapt to, and use to be creative, just like every technological art tool that came before it. The exact same arguments were used against photography, every single one, and meant in the exact same way. They really thought photography was stealing their work, that it was non-human and artificial, and required no skill beyond pressing a button. Then again, in the same way, when digital art on computers came around, traditional artists claimed it would never be art, because it wasn't being made by a human hand.. Which we all know is a silly over-simplified way to view those things now. AI art is the EXACT same, despite the ethical complications around how some of them are trained, in the long run that won't really change the discussion. Eventually that will be worked out, and by then they'll be even more capable of even greater quality imagery, maybe even video.. It's all about the creative intention, and effort you put into using the tool. The best AI art out there, isn't just throwing some words together, it's about describing a scene in details that AI can understand, in a way that gives you the most control over those details. Which is a skill that takes learning.. It also requires just as much knowledge and understanding of art and photography concepts and terminology, as any other art. Producing good images often requires fine-tuning, post-processing, tweaking prompts over and over, trial and error to get things looking the way you were really imagining. I see a lot of people making the exact same over-simplifications of how this tool is used to create art, and not giving ANY consideration to the possibilities that someone could use it that way, because they just don't want to accept it could.
@svanemy
Жыл бұрын
To hire an artist and describing what they should make is exactly the same as "hiring" AI to make an image. Prompts can never fully control the output. It can only be suggestions. So yeah, you can let the machine make something for you, but it is really no different than to ask a human to do the same. I would argue the AI becomes the artist, and can therefor in no way compare to a camera or another digital tool. It is just something totally different, a tool has never before been an "artist".
@GrumpDog
Жыл бұрын
@@svanemy No, it's not comparable to that at all. No artist would put up with hours of a client directly fine-tuning and tweaking every little aspect over and over till they created exactly what the client had in their imagination, vs the artist's imagined version in that case. In the vast majority of real cases, the goal is to have the artist create the work in their own style, and ideally from 1 initial description, leaving adjustments to a minimum. Most artists don't wanna deal with much further nitpicking over what they're making, to anywhere near the level we're talking about with AI. And yes, prompts CAN fully control the output. Good AI artists right now have very precise control over what final images they consider done, and know how to describe things in ways that the AI produces the results they want. And their process can take hundreds of tweaks, over the course of hours, till they they get what they want. Just as can any creative endeavor. That's what the guy who won that competition said it took him. If you actually look into prompt-engineering guides, there's quite a lot to learn and manipulate. Plus they often make post-processing touchups in photoshop to improve the images as any digital artist does. Finally, if you haven't heard about it yet, look up the latest videos about "Google Muse" that was just announced. It shows these things will soon enable prompt writers even more control over the exact details of scenes, arrangements and numbers, even accurate text exactly how and where described. This going to be the year of AI doing all the things people claimed AI couldn't do. lol
@poe1554
Жыл бұрын
You work in the art industry? I work in entertainment and have for years now. Calling client feedback “nitpicking” is how you stay unemployed and poor as an artist. Respect the clients vision and your own integrity, they arnt exclusive. AI sucks, but so did this above take.
@GrumpDog
Жыл бұрын
@@poe1554 So you clearly didn't understand the level of nitpicking I was referring to? There's an obvious difference between the 100s of prompt tweaks someone using an AI art generator can go through until they get what they were imagining, and the level of client feedback an artist doing a commission would consider reasonable. Not even close, and it has nothing to do with keeping clients or not. You're just dodging the points at hand, with that nonsense. Sounds to me like you don't have any real arguments to address any of my previous points.
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
@@GrumpDog in that case, I’d call these people software skilled not art skilled You’re just sitting there and watching the ai do everything artistically, it’s like watching a chef and feel you have cooking skills Or more like google, you can use very well the engine but never claim knowledge of what it shows you
@Couchonleo
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making a video on this, it's been difficult as a digital creator through this feud. Having to constantly defend my art and self is exhausting and yes, boring.
@smaspa8627
Жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell it’s the established artists that are attacking the legitimacy of new ai artists using these tools, not the other way around.
@biomuseum6645
Жыл бұрын
Also having to deal with countless copy pasted comments about “democratizing art”, “you’re an elitist”, “the machine uses references like u”, “you’re a luddite” etc…
@sophiegoose
Жыл бұрын
@@smaspa8627 @smAsPa there's no such thing as "ai artists," you're not making art. Watch the video again. Also, you're not being "attacked" by "established artists," you're being called on the ethical problems with the ai "art" movement and how it negatively impacts artists.
@minutemansam1214
Жыл бұрын
@@sophiegoose This video is just an opinion piece and is not the authority on what constitutes art.
@eliescobis9922
Жыл бұрын
@@smaspa8627 "ai artists" ah yes and i am "microwave cook" oh i am also "car runner" and a "boat swimmer"
@BreakerOvTheBlackWinds
Жыл бұрын
i have so many thoughts but so little time or space. this is an entire discussion for me and one that engrosses me. i actually to an extent agree wit you and have so much praise for some of the points mentioned and some of the analysis on how commercialism and capitalism has affected the definitions and perspectives of art in society. these are criticisms that i regularly mention in discussion and also a large part of my personal thoughts and theories on and of the future of AI art. I actually love this video. thank you.
@nightnol
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic. I’m glad you put this together and shared. I wholly agree.
@rixx46
Жыл бұрын
Very thought-provoking… “Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable” [I wish I could remember who said that] and before Marcel Duchamp, Magritte posed many of the same questions in his art
@pcbif
Жыл бұрын
This is a very thoughtful analysis, and I can only agree.
@polyrhythmike
Жыл бұрын
The main distinction you draw between art and non-art (or "illustration") is intentionality. I don't think the vast majority of people who consume art will make or have historically made that same distinction. What one considers art is necessarily subjective, and making the prescription to eliminate a whole sub-category (that is already largely considered art) from the overall category feels elitist and, to many, comes off as gate-keeping. Personally I feel that AI-art is a fine subcategory in the overall category of art; in the same way that photography is. It distinguishes itself so that people know what you mean when you say AI-art, as well as what you don't mean. The way we categorize nebulous things like art seems to always come down to common parlance. Trying to force this elimination from the category down peoples throats when a perfectly descriptive term within the category is already being used feels pointless.
@michemicalromance
Жыл бұрын
if the AI generators used a watermark or something like that maybe it would cause less issues, right now there's a lot of people trying to pass it as human made art tho. I think there should be caution with what can be fed to the generator, as some people take sketches or wips artists have done, and make the AI finish it for them, then try to claim it as their own work, which is dangerous. ethically there should be a lot of limitations regarding the database and what can and cannot be used.
@polyrhythmike
Жыл бұрын
@@michemicalromance I agree, disclosure of the fact that it's AI art is important. But the same happens with plagiarism of other artists work - people posting it and claiming it's their own. I know you're not saying this, but the fact that people can pass it off as their own isn't a good enough reason to remove it from the category of 'art.'
@michemicalromance
Жыл бұрын
@@polyrhythmike stolen art is art, but it's done by somebody else, the same with AI (although I particularlly do not consider AI generated images art because it doesn't actually have a consciousness of what it's creating, it can't consent to doing it, and it depends on stealing other's work for the algorithm to generate something OKish). maybe some people can pass it off as their own work, but their knowledge will be limited, since they couldn't learn anything they would have by drawing it themselves, they won't be able to show their process because they don't have one, etc. and at that point, a lot of artists nowadays are valuable because they share a lot of how they work and teach other people aswell. so idk about that.
@michemicalromance
Жыл бұрын
something important aswell is that theft in art, although it's common, doesn't go unnoticed for so long. i see a lot of drawings daily and i can sometimes pinpoint references used in a drawing and outright stealing done by other people. idk how but it just happens, and i think most people who draw can do that too
@RottingAlien
Жыл бұрын
"Art is in the eye of the beholder".
@timmuller5249
Жыл бұрын
illustrators rn: 👁👄👁
@hurt6145
Жыл бұрын
Art requires intent, an AI cannot do that.
@ramus9555
Жыл бұрын
The human behind it has intent. It chooses the prompt, filters, images to base it off of, artstyle, and more, and keeps generating images until it is satisfied.
@hurt6145
Жыл бұрын
@@ramus9555 The bot is unintensively taking numerous images and putting them together. The human is creating nothing, therefore it is not art.
@ramus9555
Жыл бұрын
@@hurt6145 The human is the bridge. It does not create, it shapes what the AI creates. Meaning is given after the piece is generated. It's still Art. Just a different kind. Manmade VS Manshaped.
@someuser4166
Жыл бұрын
AI users arent artists. theyre more like janitors. cleaning up what the AI sekrets
@hurt6145
Жыл бұрын
@@ramus9555 Meaning must be placed into the work from the very beginning, otherwise it's as meaningful as any other random object.
@panagiotis718
Жыл бұрын
For the time being, I believe that AI art has the potential to push art forward as the invention of photography did (leading to more abstract works). However, an "illustrator" can intentionally put small artistic details to his works making them less soulless which is not a thing in AI art and I don't know if this is going to be a problem in the future. All in all, real art cannot be replaced by AI and I really hope this new technology to revolutionize art.
@mch12311969
5 ай бұрын
I have finally watched this video, and I have to say that it is precisely the reason why I appreciate your content!!
@pinip_f_werty1382
Жыл бұрын
After everything is automated, universal standard income becomes a viable option.
@Yuanjac
Жыл бұрын
I think you make an interesting point but to me it's impossible to differentiate between meaningful and just "pretty" art. I think beauty alone can be deeply moving, be it a painting, a photo or a song, even if the creator didn't know exactly what they were doing. By your definition only financially independent artists working conveying intentional messages could produce real art. Also I think the thumbnail is an example of AI art that absolutely qualifies as real art even by your definition, I think the creator spent 90 hours crafting his prompts to get the intended result.
@haroldlindley6620
Жыл бұрын
AI art may not be art, but AI can still be used to make art if it is used intentionally to make art and not just a pretty image. Many of the early images of AI art, the ephemeral blobs of indistinct things that are arms or legs in odd places were themselves closer to art than the perfect images of the human body or landscapes so often made today. Because the person working with that AI worked to make something they wanted to see, and used the AI as a tool, a paintbrush, to create it. There's a process in AI art called "inpainting". Where the artist (yes, the artist) takes a generated image and begins working out another, more detailed image within it. They do this by selecting sections of the image and prompting refinements or outright changes without disturbing the rest of the image. Often taking hours carefully selecting and prompting tiny sections of the overall work until they arrive at something they actually want. They willingly abandon the primary advantage AI provides, the absurd speed of creation, so they can create something they definitively wish to create, and use the AI to that effect. Some of these images created are actual art, because they have artistic intention. Counterbalance this with the cheap and tawdry use of AI to create perfectly marketable images by the bucketful without any real care about the artistic content of the images aside from looking like whatever is popular (see: the use of "trending on Art Station" or "trending on DeviantART" in the prompt list), and to me at least, the difference between AI being used to cram out images and AI being used for real artwork becomes apparent. AI is a tool for an artist to use. A very powerful tool, but a tool nonetheless. Much akin to a drum machine or a synthesizer, or the camera, it is a new medium for us as humans to play with and to express ourselves with.
@likeabirdinthesky
Жыл бұрын
yes
@retardmode
Жыл бұрын
100% agreed
@theliar4558
Жыл бұрын
AI art, or art created using artificial intelligence, is a relatively new phenomenon that has sparked a great deal of debate in the art world. Some critics argue that AI art is not truly "art" because it is created by a machine rather than a human. However, this argument is misguided and fails to take into account the complexity and creativity that goes into creating AI art. First and foremost, it is important to understand that AI art is not simply the product of a computer algorithm. The process of creating AI art involves a great deal of human input and decision-making. For example, a human artist may train a machine learning model on a dataset of images, and then use that model to generate new images. The artist must choose which images to include in the dataset, and must also decide how to tweak the parameters of the model to achieve a certain aesthetic. Additionally, AI art often requires a great deal of technical skill and knowledge. Creating a machine learning model that can generate images that are indistinguishable from those created by a human artist is no easy task. It requires a deep understanding of both the technical aspects of machine learning and the creative process of art-making. Another important point is that AI art is not a replacement for human art, but an addition to it. AI art can be seen as a new medium for human artist to explore, and that in many cases, AI art is not meant to replace human artist but to expand their work. Finally, it is worth noting that many of the objections to AI art are rooted in a narrow and outdated understanding of what art is. Art has always been a reflection of the technology and society of its time, and AI art is no different. To reject it outright is to reject the evolution of art itself. In conclusion, AI art is indeed art. It is a form of art that involves human input, technical skill, and creativity. It is not a replacement for human art but an addition to it. Those who whine about why it isn't are simply clinging to a narrow and outdated understanding of what art is. AI art is a new medium for artists to explore, and it is an exciting development in the world of art. (This comment has been generated by ChatGPT)
@ty_teynium
Жыл бұрын
I remember that "It's pretty but is it Art?" line from Orson Welles in the F for Fake Documentary. Way better than what I was told from critics.
@oliviapenelopehope4497
8 ай бұрын
If you're good enough at crafting prompts, then you can certainly make very thoughtful pieces. It's a great tool to use as reference, but each piece cannot be left as is, for all that it is on its own is theft.
@GoosePretzel
Жыл бұрын
As someone who's not really that great at illustration, I find that using the ai engines really helps to get what I'm thinking down, it's like I imagine just going to a canvas and painting what's on your mind.
@imranrakin17
Жыл бұрын
that is why artist took years to master the art. theres is no shortcut.
@CezarWasTaken
Жыл бұрын
Or just learn the fundamentals of art instead of promoting programs that feed on the billions of copyrighted hardwork of artists without their consent
@theliar4558
Жыл бұрын
@@imranrakin17 Yes there is
@theliar4558
Жыл бұрын
AI art, or art created using artificial intelligence, is a relatively new phenomenon that has sparked a great deal of debate in the art world. Some critics argue that AI art is not truly "art" because it is created by a machine rather than a human. However, this argument is misguided and fails to take into account the complexity and creativity that goes into creating AI art. First and foremost, it is important to understand that AI art is not simply the product of a computer algorithm. The process of creating AI art involves a great deal of human input and decision-making. For example, a human artist may train a machine learning model on a dataset of images, and then use that model to generate new images. The artist must choose which images to include in the dataset, and must also decide how to tweak the parameters of the model to achieve a certain aesthetic. Additionally, AI art often requires a great deal of technical skill and knowledge. Creating a machine learning model that can generate images that are indistinguishable from those created by a human artist is no easy task. It requires a deep understanding of both the technical aspects of machine learning and the creative process of art-making. Another important point is that AI art is not a replacement for human art, but an addition to it. AI art can be seen as a new medium for human artist to explore, and that in many cases, AI art is not meant to replace human artist but to expand their work. Finally, it is worth noting that many of the objections to AI art are rooted in a narrow and outdated understanding of what art is. Art has always been a reflection of the technology and society of its time, and AI art is no different. To reject it outright is to reject the evolution of art itself. In conclusion, AI art is indeed art. It is a form of art that involves human input, technical skill, and creativity. It is not a replacement for human art but an addition to it. Those who whine about why it isn't are simply clinging to a narrow and outdated understanding of what art is. AI art is a new medium for artists to explore, and it is an exciting development in the world of art. (This comment has been generated by ChatGPT)
@CezarWasTaken
Жыл бұрын
@@theliar4558 AI art is a toy, it should remain as such, people are trying to profit off of it which is my main gripe with AI art, if it *is* profitable then it shouldn't be trained on copyrighted data, if it *is* trained on copyrighted data (which it is) it should not be profitable, simple as that
@malaprop1
Жыл бұрын
If you're taking the view that something isn't art unless there is some sort of deeper intended meaning behind it, what happens when inevitably very soon AI models exist which can generate an "illustration" along with a textual description of the deeper meaning generated by the AI. Does it become art then?
@TheLily97232
Жыл бұрын
You can even consider that most of what we are taught as art isn't then. What's the deeper meaning of a Van Gogh if not the new way to render light and nature ?
@penjamin1479
Жыл бұрын
If it needs a description to tell you the deeper meaning, then it sucks at visual storytelling lol.
@virginiaappleman9401
Жыл бұрын
This topic brings to mind a terrific old short story by Lloyd Biggle Jr -- 'The Tunesmith', found in the short story collection The Metallic Muse. In it, the music of the masses had devolved down into souless commercial jingles cranked out by tunesmiths using what came across as an electronic instrument similar to a MOOG. The protagonist, a guy called Erlin Baque, eventually breaks out, takes out all his filters, rejects all the commercialism, and creates a type of music which strongly affects the emotions of his listeners. For which offense he is sentenced to the mines -- even though his revolution brought about the restoration of art in music. AI 'art' (no, it's more like picture-assemblage) is just that sort of commercialized sterility as the jingles of Baque's era.
@pierzpressure7931
Ай бұрын
I'm so glad you spoke of the parallels to the introduction of photography. I keep telling people that AI will push artists into new ideologies and methods in their works. It's a wonderful comparison and this is an incredible video.
@DavidTamang
Жыл бұрын
It’s a good thing we have gate keepers like you to let the rest of us know what “real” art is.
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