40 is a top-tier producer. Will go down as one of the best.
@neovincibeats
8 жыл бұрын
one of of my top 3 Kanye 40 Red 1
@michaelguerrieri3486
2 жыл бұрын
@@neovincibeats 40 played the kid in goosebumps go eat worms.
@bigdap100
10 жыл бұрын
Young Guru and 40...These were the ones I always stayed around for...so thankful for this.
@MGMusicbeats
8 жыл бұрын
40 is such an inspiration
@Elmer1953
8 жыл бұрын
Drake and 40 are the best team. 40 is an absolute beast.
@yeolechap
10 жыл бұрын
wow I've been procrastinating on getting to Dave's channel, this is the best stuff ever!
@tish5862
10 жыл бұрын
the number 1 reason hes one of the best Producers in the industry right now is that any other top producer wont have the mixing and engineering knowledge, he is a smart guy gotta hand it to him
@RobinJohnson
10 жыл бұрын
I love how Honest 40 is about the things he would have changed.
@KYIRIM
9 жыл бұрын
amazing interview! thank u! very informative!
@garrettpatten6312
4 жыл бұрын
wow this guy is awesome
@mikeys6049
10 жыл бұрын
40 the god.
@ArchibaldEdits
9 жыл бұрын
great vid
@jarrodhalfacre7449
7 жыл бұрын
Haha it's funny they talk about how it's bad to write someone else's lyrics in rap and then drake gets caught up having other people that are writing some of his lyrics
@Saskiequelle
9 жыл бұрын
35:00 Batters box
@ZachKendall23
9 жыл бұрын
Drake is lucky to have this guy for real.
@jerm2867
8 жыл бұрын
+Zach Kendall straight up
@fat80832
8 жыл бұрын
+JERM bando!
@Luckbeats
7 жыл бұрын
This guy is 80% drake
@KQY614
7 жыл бұрын
Luck: you are 100% correct, forreal man, drake wouldn't have his own sound without 40
@whiteibis1354
7 жыл бұрын
this guy is a moron
@ajayijackson3204
8 жыл бұрын
Starts at 6:10 Thank Me Later (pun intended)
@ejb135
8 жыл бұрын
When I read this, it was too late 😆
@nov23gbe
8 жыл бұрын
+ejb135 Seems like they just put his name on it for the Views
@o0Lazer0o
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling me. Bye now, take care!
@nicholaskovacs3989
8 жыл бұрын
For me as far as producing goes, nothing was the same after I watched this
@o0Lazer0o
8 жыл бұрын
Nick Kovacs i still havent watched it yet. i will be sure to Sooner Than Later
@chriswellz5993
9 жыл бұрын
I wonder why 28 people thumbs down this video. 10 bucks say it's because they despise Drake. I can't imagine disliking this. The information 40 is pouring out is awesome. As a fellow engineer, man!
@Icycoldonthetrack
8 жыл бұрын
+Chris Wellz well look who it is
@chriswellz5993
8 жыл бұрын
Reshard Watson Ayeeeeeeeeeeeeee lol
@backobushkush933
8 жыл бұрын
+Chris Wellz I don't like Noahs beats love his older shit but I'm not putting up a dislike cause I respect his movements.
@thekidcalledBLACK
9 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how a producer, engineer, and recording artist all can hear a song differently. Before I started producing. I heard the beat and flows. Once I started producing. I heard the beats, patterns, progression, what drum instruments are being used, etc. I wanna hear music as an engineer like these guys. They can hear things I never even realized existed in these song. Wow.
@KQY614
9 жыл бұрын
jalen martin its like once you hear a song you start dissecting it like a computer :)
@Ayplus
9 жыл бұрын
+jalen martin Same here. I had the same progression as u. I'm focused heavy on mixing now and Its crazy what u hear when u pay attention to the mix. ALOT of modern commercial music is over compressed and have subpar mixes.
@Kigoz4Life
9 жыл бұрын
+jalen martin and Kanye is the best at that. Dissecting songs.
@Kigoz4Life
9 жыл бұрын
+R3DD3AD47 and Kanye is the best at that. Dissecting songs.
@KQY614
9 жыл бұрын
Kigoz4Life I bet he is man.
@LucyHelyer
9 жыл бұрын
love how the interviewers are so respectful and praiseful of everything 40 does and has done. They don't patronise, show bitterness or jealousy only pure appreciation and respect of his work. Inspiring interview thank you pensando's palace
@gruvar9088
3 жыл бұрын
fancy seeing the don lucy here mad ting
@HiImRack
10 жыл бұрын
First time ever seeing who "40" actually is. By far impressed and how empowering his knowledge is for engineering and music philosophy is. Def look up to this guy even more as a engineer and producer.
@Glenuig
10 жыл бұрын
He's a very talented guy. You only have to listen to the beats of Drakes album to see how different he is from what everyone else around today is producing. Hope he stays in the game for a while.
@kaydunk3149
9 жыл бұрын
Glenuig Just based off of his diversity, I know he's here for the long run. Thats why I look up to 40 because though he has his particular sound he doesnt abuse it like other producers.
@wonya
10 жыл бұрын
This was beyond dope. Thanks for this. You guys HAVE to get Mike Dean up there!
@YoonIsaac
10 жыл бұрын
mike dean was on twice!
@kimseniorb
10 жыл бұрын
Isaac Yoon could you please point me to the second one? I've only watched the 14th episode with him.
@YoonIsaac
10 жыл бұрын
kimseniorb mustve mistaken with another artist. Oops. Yea he was on once.
@davearmstrong4579
10 жыл бұрын
Yes Mike Dean is a Must!
@kimseniorb
10 жыл бұрын
***** you are not quite right, on the moment this comment was posted, there was only one Mike Dean show.
@RiazPhillips
8 жыл бұрын
I swear where tf does Herb get these Rare polos.
@GamboTheGent
6 жыл бұрын
haha, true, hes beastin them Polos
@henryleonardo3544
4 жыл бұрын
You helped me realize this😭😂😭
@Tomatofury
9 жыл бұрын
There's no pause button when 40's talking 😂
@chriswellz5993
9 жыл бұрын
+Zaki El Horan Ironic you have 40 likes on your comment. I want to like your comment so bad. But I can't because 40 is the man. lol
@ZimzalaBeats
9 жыл бұрын
+Chris Wellz haha was thinking the same :D
@Tomatofury
9 жыл бұрын
Chris Wellz Yeah, haha he is the man
@ninety_three_93
5 жыл бұрын
i usually pause a video but not this one, it was cool
@LosantoBeats
4 жыл бұрын
You dont even want there to be a pause button. This guy is a fountain spilling knowledge.
@Samsonmanase
10 жыл бұрын
A lot of niggaz looking confused but if you produce you get what these mans is saying !!!
@JAYFLOPROBEATS
10 жыл бұрын
yep
@Samsonmanase
10 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean but i think we all know 40 for producing then egineering . Don't act tough on the net kid!!
@OZZOZZ
5 жыл бұрын
Nigga you made a kick and a clap on fl studio and now you tryna relate to producers.
@MrManuel1329
8 жыл бұрын
"Nothing Was The Same" was the best
@jjredbrick8274
7 жыл бұрын
it was a cold album
@RuNZiT1
8 жыл бұрын
The more and more I learn about music.. The more I realize that making music is like making a movie... From a movie perspective you have to have 1) Good actors.. 2) good director 3) good producer. And also take good shots and what not. With songs : Good rapper/singer good mixer , good audio engineer. It really all has to line up.
@EPICPACKOPENINGSXD
8 жыл бұрын
I never knew music was so complicated before I got into it.. Audio engineerig/mixing is literally so underrated
@lolaispure4296
8 жыл бұрын
+Richard Lionheart ikr
@876BIGDISEM
10 жыл бұрын
Watching this i realize that i don't know shit..nowhere i need to be..Makes you appreciate Drakes music even more.
@dna8269
9 жыл бұрын
13:35 guess not
@JulianWyllie
9 жыл бұрын
Dan R Thought the same thing.
@Kercks95
9 жыл бұрын
He doesn't wanna write lyric because he's a perfectionist and knows it might just be mediocre where as his beats are prime
@eliakaiser1290
4 жыл бұрын
Agree. And he is friends with someone who knows damn well how to write.
@christine7521
8 жыл бұрын
I love hearing 40 on interviews, he knows what he wants and he knows what he's talking about. On top of being great he's extremely humble and just real. If I ever choose to produce, it would be because of him
@l00pdigga42
8 жыл бұрын
You can do it too!
@christine7521
8 жыл бұрын
Silky Slim thanks man! I'll try, but 40 real does inspire
@christine7521
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jaime, working on it one step at a time :) I appreciate the encouragement
@RamMohammadJosephKaur
3 жыл бұрын
@@christine7521 it's been 4 years since your comment. So were you able to produce music?
@yohaanlobo5560
2 жыл бұрын
Yo are you cydney Christine? The girl who produced money in the grave? Lil CC. Damn if you are , this is amazing
@lilseed559
10 жыл бұрын
mannn i want to be just like these guys breaking down anysong and know what plugins that the engineer used and stuff
@ohioplaya937
9 жыл бұрын
Keep doing it and you will be able to! Look forward to seeing your name in credits in the future bro!
@sophiaflores8634
9 жыл бұрын
***** have you gotten better these past 8 months?
@lilseed559
9 жыл бұрын
Sophia Rhodes im only getting better. im the 3rd person soundcloud.com/nova-khan/bathsalt-remix-khan-artist-kai-walker-head-hancho
@SuperFear83
10 жыл бұрын
Noah is so right about using samples and altering them beyond their initial sound. You can build off that and then take the sample out.
@devantelartey9254
10 жыл бұрын
"Everybody assumes I use low pass but I actually cut down the sample rate." damn Noah
@grimmcyph932
5 жыл бұрын
I said that same shit
@BooyahL
4 жыл бұрын
If you understand a bit the math behind filters, the two things are really the same lol... A low pass filter behaves like an integrator, something that averages signals trough time, so it's like you are using less samples
@sebastianfjorn
3 жыл бұрын
@@BooyahL if you mean that both actions cuts frequencies then yes, you're right. to make it more simple; a lowpass cuts frequencies and if you degrade the sample rate, it erases frequencies. but degrading the sample rate leaves a more grittier sound than if you were to use a lowpass.
@adrith5722
2 жыл бұрын
how do u cut down the sample rate?
@dgayle2348
2 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain this in regular terms for a non musical person?
@dominicakadc
10 жыл бұрын
Drake is the luckiest dude. He would not be where he is without this dude. Swear.
@MarkLn1
9 жыл бұрын
kinda like young chop and chief keef or yg and dj mustard or jahlil beats and meek mill
@marchfifth1754
9 жыл бұрын
Him and Boi-1Da made drakes career
@Ayplus
9 жыл бұрын
And vice versa. Its called a team.
@Ayplus
9 жыл бұрын
Mark L-N No. . .Not really. Its definitely more to it than beats and rhymes.
@MarkLn1
9 жыл бұрын
***** explain...
@TantuBeats
9 жыл бұрын
Very inspiring episode, thanks!
@AM-dh7nj
3 жыл бұрын
Als ik jou vind in de comments dan weet ik dat ik goed op weg ben 💯❤️
@HOVA09
10 жыл бұрын
"Its modeled after a euphonix" "I know...I worked on it" FLEXIN, NIGGA IM JUH FLEXIN
@roderickmack5922
10 жыл бұрын
My first time watching Pensado's Place. This was an interesting and engaging interview. Thanks
@kalman703
9 жыл бұрын
totally understood what he was talking about when explaining using samples as a palette. He might not even use the sample but he uses it as a tool to build the beat
@TheTravellingHobo
9 жыл бұрын
Illangelo needs to get up here
@RamMohammadJosephKaur
3 жыл бұрын
They got em in of the episodes
@TheTravellingHobo
3 жыл бұрын
@@RamMohammadJosephKaur bro you literally replied 5 yrs later
@RamMohammadJosephKaur
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTravellingHobo Ya I just discovered this video and comment. Just wanted to give you a heads up in case you missed the Illangelo video
@deegee9198
10 жыл бұрын
I was having a BAD f**king day today... Then I saw this. I get to learn NEW TIPS from 40!!!! HELL YEA!!! Thanks!
@Penstarkid08
10 жыл бұрын
Drake " I don't hear the beat, I hear the spaces in between the beat." What a great concept and different way at looking at this.
@RobinJohnson
10 жыл бұрын
Love how Dave slams his ego down at 36:00 I had to LOL
@freddiewhite9656
3 жыл бұрын
Damn. Drake got exposed for not writing his own lyrics right after this 😂
@Flavio617
9 жыл бұрын
I always find myself coming back to this video for much need inspirations love it
@LongBKNY
10 жыл бұрын
i think he and drake are connected in the mind they got the same beard and everything
@aymanmahdi2010
8 жыл бұрын
forty did you get the message?
@ThePropina
8 жыл бұрын
I think he checked his phone... And he didn't get it.
@shakeibziaiedana4245
7 жыл бұрын
But he didn't flinch for a second he got his shit together.
@eprince2328
7 жыл бұрын
please be reminded that they aren’t here to fight wars
@tobehonest116
4 жыл бұрын
But both these interviewers wanna talk about highscores
@Straightdamageman
9 жыл бұрын
Its one things to know your plugins, but 40 is an example that plugins dont make your a producer or engineer, Its all about your ear and feeling of music. A lesson that cant be taught! LOL!
@Deevious26
7 жыл бұрын
Noah "100%" Shebib. Great interview!!! :)
@PRSOne
10 жыл бұрын
That's what passion looks like, kids. I wish they had asked a few more technical/mixing questions, but you see what it takes to make it in this interview. That guy loves what he does, no question about it.
@anthonywallace319
10 жыл бұрын
You don't really get to see how brilliant he is until you watch this interview. I'm glad he killed the noise of people thinking he just uses a low pass and actually puts work into his music. I'd actually like to hear more of the So Far Gone sound with more R&B artists.
@RareMade
10 жыл бұрын
FUCK YES THANK YOU! I SEE YOU LISTEN TO US!!! If anyone remembers me im the guy whos been commenting on a lot of there videos to get him and illangelo and you all agreed with me! WE DID IT GUYS!!! 1 more to go hopefully he can get illangelo but OMG THANKS AGAIN!!!!!
@cgarcia23777
10 жыл бұрын
damn bruh, you're spot on. I would love to see an Illangelo interview and then maybe people that worked with Lana Del Rey
@IBEENART
10 жыл бұрын
cgarcia23777 emile haynie and jeff bhasker. emile had a video where he made a beat from scratch on future magazine but they took it down
@cgarcia23777
10 жыл бұрын
ibnart yeah them! but I was thinking of RoboPop too
@IBEENART
10 жыл бұрын
who is robopop?
@cgarcia23777
10 жыл бұрын
Robopop was a duo (I believe) that actually made the production to some Lana Del Rey tracks on her album. Emile Haynie added his touch with the mixing and his signature sounds
@EynouxLaStar
7 жыл бұрын
Noel "Gadget" Campbell has been Drake's mixing engineer since Nothing Was The Same. Gadget deserves just as much credits
@QuabmasM
9 жыл бұрын
13:30 is hilarious in light of what has happened with Drake as of recently(having a ghost writer).
@coronado718
9 жыл бұрын
Lol they predicted it a whole year ahead of time
@jboyd2891
8 жыл бұрын
+QuabmasM lol RS
@neovincibeats
8 жыл бұрын
I will never have a ghost writer
@softwaretrizzey
8 жыл бұрын
+Gregory Claybron You just made his point lol Albrecht's point. lol
@geronjenkins18
8 жыл бұрын
+QuabmasM Maybe like some help with how to say a few words to the beat but as far as someone writing your lyrics....no!
@IllSoulProductions
10 жыл бұрын
I LOVE 40'S PASSION!!! YOU ROCK 40!!!
@geronjenkins18
10 жыл бұрын
His story about how they recorded So Far Gone is crazy. That proves that it's not what you have but it's how you use it.
@thejademonkey1
10 жыл бұрын
13:12 - arrogant much 40.
@StackyTacky
10 жыл бұрын
Aries.
@AudioXVNVXTheNightLife
9 жыл бұрын
StackyTacky yep, borderline right on confident and arrogant, i would know...
@sethspencer9505
8 жыл бұрын
He knows himself
@kamdenzephyr
4 жыл бұрын
U guys are tripping he’s obviously joking around these guys are good friends.
@ph0kused
10 жыл бұрын
I love 40, but damn he just talks through people.
@matthewaguirre3293
5 жыл бұрын
ph0kused youth
@justinbryces
4 жыл бұрын
It’s an interview? It isn’t come up here and listen to us. He’s literally the top guy in the game talking shop with a legend. If he came up there being quiet and standoffish there would be another issue.
@LosantoBeats
4 жыл бұрын
Some people just dont have that filter. Its a social skill that some people lack. I find myself doing the same thing some times and its because im so passionate about the topic being discussed. I have to stop myself from doing it.
@nikoholappa5412
6 жыл бұрын
how he tapdanced around that other writing for rappers question
@K100music
10 жыл бұрын
wow he's loud haha
@IBEENART
10 жыл бұрын
when your passionate about something there is so little time to squeeze everything in 50 minutes lol
@K100music
10 жыл бұрын
ibnart haha thats very true!
@tobehonest116
4 жыл бұрын
@@IBEENART i been art offcourse id find you here in a 40 vid
@IBEENART
4 жыл бұрын
ToBeHonest I left college the day this video came out. I remember being in class and this dropped. I left & never came back
@tobehonest116
4 жыл бұрын
@@IBEENART now dats a good GENIUS deconstructed intro u just said😂its good to see you been grinding ur craft from day one g📀
@joshslavin5103
8 жыл бұрын
I've avoided Drake's music for so long. This conversation has me hooked on Drake. Damn! Sounds like such a symbiotic relationship. I have the same issue with timing. Hearing the spaces in between instead of the beat.
@jackieeethepwner
9 жыл бұрын
Fuck man this guy is so real
@Hajjmusic_
10 жыл бұрын
Thats interesting I thought it was lowpass too.
@Midnight_online
9 жыл бұрын
ive been producing music for two years. hope i become as good as Forty. real inspiration
@LaGuilTV
9 жыл бұрын
34:55 Batters Box
@SolarHeavy
10 жыл бұрын
Wow, he's a huge inspiration of mine for years, his work with Drake and filtering methods are so incredible, this is the best interview for me yet
@NickoRebelMusic
10 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!! Today is a good DAY!! I love Pensado's Place
@qqqopeth
10 жыл бұрын
I didn't know 40 had MS! I'm just about to turn 22 and was diagnosed this month. I've had the exact same mindset he described since my diagnosis and it's inspiring to know that you can still achieve and get shit done despite this disease. As always, a great show guys!
@lozoft9
10 жыл бұрын
"I don't hear the beat, I hear the spaces in between the beat." That's EXACTLY my issue. That's why I'm not very fond of Chicago house, techno, or indie rock because those musicians don't tend to add groove or emphasis in their rhythm section. They're married to the click track and I have a hard time drumming out those kinds of simple patterns.
@AudioXVNVXTheNightLife
9 жыл бұрын
lozoft9 ***** feels the same way you guys are inspiring
@soulrhythm3694
6 жыл бұрын
Can you explain how it works though how do you build vocals that compelemnt the best and the rhythm @lozoft9
@topemeister3000
6 жыл бұрын
Bro. Chicago house & Techno are two genres that are pretty much built upon the spaces between the beat.
@danielosei4082
8 жыл бұрын
pensado need to bring sounwave here man
@bardobeats
8 жыл бұрын
OMG yes
@cjfromgtasanadreas
5 жыл бұрын
7:46 lmao he's writing everything down like there's no tomorrow :D
@OMALIE360
9 жыл бұрын
I've watch this before and i will watch it again.. i am creating my Mixtape in my bedroom and i just know that something GREAT is going to come out of it and this right here is good motivation.. Thank NOAH..
@Whtmt
10 жыл бұрын
Dave shut his ass down at 36:12!!!! LMAO
@JAreProductions1
10 жыл бұрын
I wish I could hear the way Dave does..
@zaniavaeluaga4833
6 жыл бұрын
I just want tips not a conversation, am I the only one ?
@ChaseJeffry
9 жыл бұрын
Make sure you check Raz Klinghoffer's mixes, really good mixes
@JustGotCrucified
10 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I've been anticipating for this for so long!
@prodmikebeats
5 жыл бұрын
40 is such a legend... inspired the sound behind my beats. I probably come back tot this interview at least 2 times a year and still find new gems that I missed from before! So much great info in this!
@LEAFEnt
5 жыл бұрын
MIKE Beats same
@DoctaJoe25
10 жыл бұрын
Noah Shebib is a very well spoken dude. Very smart and good knowledge on his craft
@291god
10 жыл бұрын
What he doesn't talk about is the fact that J-Prince put him and Drake on. At least show some love to the man who gave you your shot!!!
@jasonkellner6784
10 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, beyond anything, for this interview. its raw and the connection between dave and 40 is amazing in terms of mixing. amazing advice and personally an amazing reminder to be comfortable and not to let your ears be around too much hiphop if you're going to produce hiphop. I love how 40 said he sometimes goes to van morrison and the beach boys to clear his musical palet. Thats something every producer needs to do. 40 is so humble. He's supposed to be where he's at!
@selu8572
8 жыл бұрын
For me I think it would be a great thing if they asked the guests if they had any education background on what they are doing. It gives a little more in sight. I find myself looking up education background for artists all over the net
@lilpatofficial
10 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! We've all been waiting for this interview for a long time and I can say it did not disappoint! Drake and 40 have one of the most interesting sounds out these days and a lot of us have only dreamed of having a peek inside of that process! Thanks again +1
@EdgarasJnr1
8 жыл бұрын
What does he mean when he says MPC for snare? Like he lugs around an actual old AKAI MPC? Cause the new one's they make right now are just controllers they don't have any sounds in them right?
@chrisgearhrt
10 жыл бұрын
wow. every time i catch PP the comments are begging to have 40 on.. and you did it! big thanks for making things happen for us Dave & Herb, big thanks.
@santiagoskywalker
3 жыл бұрын
How does this only have 300k views, these are literal gems. Only comparison Drake has saleswise is Michael Jackson and 40 is this generations Quincy Jones.
@mrslapside
10 жыл бұрын
I actually went back and listened the that mixtape and the engineer really did a great job.
@MrFresh29001
10 жыл бұрын
him and drake are the ultimate duo, and that 9th wonder shirt is crazy
@MrFresh29001
9 жыл бұрын
***** no that's 9th wonder white boy
@yeaaboiii3002
5 жыл бұрын
That’s pac homie
@KingKarolus222
10 жыл бұрын
You guys are really the best. I really relate to 40 talking about starting with chord changes and melodies. Awesome vid
@RolazProductions
10 жыл бұрын
Another amazing insight into the mind of a producer, real inspirational. It also reminded me what Hi-Tek said.. "just because you make a beat doesn't make you a producer!" #RealTalk
@snapascrew
7 жыл бұрын
of course Eminem has an SSL 4k in his personal studio. lol.
@danielocean3699
2 жыл бұрын
Damn I just saw a short that made me want to look up the whole interview but I didn’t know it was over 8 years old. So much has happened since then lol. There’s going to be so much that i want to hear about that’s not going to be in this video smh
@sidebar3970
4 жыл бұрын
Dave with the FLEX 💪🏽 “I know, I worked on it.” 😂🙇🏽♂️
@burksdidit4029
10 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting on this day for a long time to see 40 on pensado's place, Thanks Dave and Herb
@GoodxJ
5 жыл бұрын
"TLM 103 that was it!" That is not a bad mic though I mean your working with quality with any Neumann microphone!!!
@nicholasmarch3286
8 жыл бұрын
gotta get him back for another interview after views from the 6 comes out
@Saskiequelle
9 жыл бұрын
37:50 I thought he flipped at first...lol
@TheOlixkilltrocity
9 жыл бұрын
Well, I think it's fair to say I've just found my new favourite KZitem channel.
@KINSREVENEGE
10 жыл бұрын
40 is so dope
@TheGnarlymitch
10 жыл бұрын
I never realized how awesome and now inspiring '40' is, not only is he a great producer but just an all around great person. It's funny because I can see how much '40' and Dave have in common during this interview and I think Dave really see's his once younger self of who '40" now is. Great episode, only if you guys had the time to sit down with 40 and show us some of his own tips on producing.
@gOnz3r
10 жыл бұрын
Add this to the list of the classics, although I don't give a shit about Drake as an artist. This was simply one of my favorite interviews. A lot of great questions and answers.
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