Cooperation and mutual aid is more beneficial for a species as opposed to every man for himself.
@arturandrishak1702
6 жыл бұрын
Nemus why is it more beneficial?
@arturandrishak1702
6 жыл бұрын
Scientific Socialist why are we compelled? depending on your answer, there maybe be a long way to go from "we are compelled to do it" to it being good. Im interested in the question of morality and where can there be found an explanation for it.
@nicolasm400
5 жыл бұрын
@@arturandrishak1702 While surely being able to build a penthouse with 5 coworkers in 1 hour, you surely woudn't be able to build it alone in 5 hours. There is value in cooperative work.
@ashleigh3021
5 жыл бұрын
Cooperation with ones own genetically similar kin is more beneficial than every man for himself.
@blankslate7315
4 жыл бұрын
G Mc C Some of the biggest and strongest animals like elephants and whales, including orcas and blue whales co-operate, not to mention gorillas, lions, wolves, bears (bears have a reputation for being solitary, but there is documented evidence of bears co-operating) and many others, meanwhile there are some small snakes and spiders and other tiny insects that are sometimes seen as solitary.
@austinfernando8406
4 жыл бұрын
“If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin
@florinmoldovanu
Жыл бұрын
"Sin" and "institutions" are inseparable Mr. Darwin. And thank you for reinforcing a theory that will lead to the extinction of our species. Nothing sinful in that, I guess . .
@RyanWattersRyanWatters
Жыл бұрын
@@florinmoldovanu Ya lost me. What theory is going to lead to the extinction of our species? Please expand if you have the time and interest. Thank you.
@florinmoldovanu
Жыл бұрын
@@RyanWattersRyanWatters UG Krishnamurti
@IbnKh
8 жыл бұрын
They try to pass the market system as a nature of some sorts with its so-called natural selection, in favor of the strongest and most "suitable". I imagine they did that because they were using the appeal to nature fallacy , where they tell you this is the natural state and so it is normal that the market is full of predatory behavior.
@michaeldebellis4202
7 жыл бұрын
Indeed. If natural equals good then we should all be eating as much sugar and fat as we can get our hands on and we should never use contraception and only have sex for procreation. Although, even if we accept the naturalistic fallacy the ironic thing is that it STILL doesn't support social darwinism. Nature is not ONLY competitive. Especially for social animals such as primates there are all kinds of examples of natural altruism and behavior that supports the group at the expense of the individual. Christopher Boehm has some amazing examples both from primates and hunter gatherer tribes in his book Hierarchy in the Forrest.
@ayebee652
8 жыл бұрын
Chomsky's intellect makes me angry at myself for being so stupid.
@jimjummy8844
8 жыл бұрын
+Aye Bee You've got to give yourself some credit if you spend your free time listening to these sorts of discussions.
@Chapperino
8 жыл бұрын
See above!!!
@ayebee652
8 жыл бұрын
JimJummy Hahaha...I would love to but I fear that Prof. Chomsky would disapprove of me inflating my already over-inflated western hubris!
@Phoniv
8 жыл бұрын
My biggest fear is that the future will end up benefiting me, and I will do or say things morally wrong. I am here to learn morals from Dr. Chomsky as well as recent history.
@florinmoldovanu
Жыл бұрын
there is no future
@berendkooiker3538
3 жыл бұрын
Even if the nature of man is to be a savage greedy competitor, why give men the power to follow their nature and opress eachother?
@LOGICZOMBIE
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your contribution.
@jimjummy8844
8 жыл бұрын
Where was this video sampled from? I have never heard Chomsky discuss this topic.
@gkloner
Жыл бұрын
One of the best things I've ever heard him express! What is human nature all about? How did it evolve? And how elites and the powerful control and suppress the range of ideas on this topic based on ideological self interest, which is itself a form of Darwinian struggle.
@perlefisker
3 жыл бұрын
Even in the academic world there is what one may call 'the survival of the fittest' idea, i.e. the idea that fits the zeitgeist and serves the academic elite. On the bottom line, man is just unbelievable slow and primitive, when it comes to developing the mind. A video like this will last at least for centuries, nothing fundamental will change in human society. Thank you for sharing some truth.
@tonycairns6728
Жыл бұрын
People often confuse 'strength' for 'fitness', in a Darwinian context. Strong individuals do not guarantee a 'fit' society, as fitness is more about a species or human society being biologically well-adapted on a long time-frame. Kropotkin understood this.
@Phoniv
8 жыл бұрын
Filing gaps in my education, these videos are. So giving power to the people may have been the answer to Spencer. But since 9 11 it looks like people especially in this last election cycle are gravitating towards the toughest candidates. What to expect? I keep drawing an analogy to the rise of the Roman Empire, I am not sure to what degree the analogy should hold. In the mean time we are developing so many new useful technologies and medical cures, are the people going to benefit from it? There is to hope. As long as my economic situation is not threatened, I can just gloss over politics. Feel like lots of average people like me see it this way. Will the military step in at some point and tell the rich, we need a new system? And what about this inconvenient Nostradamus prophecy looming about a secretary of the Navy? I should check, is he still in office?
@maxschlepzig641
8 жыл бұрын
*There is to hope. As long as my economic situation is not threatened, I can just gloss over politics.* Well said. Paris gets "attacked" (hundred or so people died) world is in mourning. Countless photos of people with the French flag embedded in the background. It is sickening how deep the indoctrination and hypocrisy is. You mentioned hope? Are you kidding me? And useful technologies have always been developed. What should be even more alarming is the majority of those individuals all either worked for the State/private interests or were manipulated by them as such. World is driven by fashionable consumption and self-interest. And you're analogy to the Roman Empire lacks content, the world is globalized to a scale that has never been matched.
@dallasba
8 жыл бұрын
You're a worthless imbecile. Nostradomus, really?
@Phoniv
8 жыл бұрын
The world should mourn the Paris attacks, but downplaying the atrocities committed by the West is wrong too. Some measure of hypocrisy there, fine. There is lots of hope out there, but the people in power might be the skeptics now. Technologies are not always developed, depends on opportunity, and freedom to invent and even to capitalize on invention. You may disagree with this, but the speed of invention is really profound now, perhaps the fastest ever. Self interest is not so bad, better yet is to invent or discover something for self respect, and donate patents to the public, see polio vaccine. But if you need to motivate some genius with the profit, its better than giving him no motivation at all. More than consumption, people are more and more generally trying to seek happiness, and learning for the example of happy people, especially the feel good television shows. like the extreme home makeover, or American idol, or dancing with the stars. These are the people I do not usually relate to, but they might be on the right track, at least for themselves. The Roman Empire analogy would only apply to a certain degree. If you have a better analogy, lets hear it. The alternative is to be completely immersed in the present and try to make predictions, but I am not well informed enough to do so, and neither is the vast majority.
@Phoniv
8 жыл бұрын
One thing that is clear to me, may have slipped your attention, but I am a foreigner, and I noticed Americans are generally happier than my native Hungarians, and they are also more charitable, here in the US, and abroad. And that includes the US government, who leads the world in charitable foreign aid. So that is important to keep in mind. And people are not necessarily dumb, uneducated, or apathetic, in fact compared to Russia and China. When I was in college, I found the Russian and the Chinese students heavily prejudiced, critical, and misinformed as to the USA. And these are brutal regimes where criticizing the government can lead you to persecution, jail, and torture. Coming from Hungary, I also experienced some harassment from the USA, but this is light compared to what I would have to deal with if I lived in lets say Russia, as an American. What is more ironic, the harassment I experienced came from the political left, and I am a lefty too. America is not the most free society, and things might get worse before they get any better. Sometimes I really can hate my enemies, and I have to remind myself some people just hate Hungarians, and they harass me out of ignorance. I feel they will have to answer to God at the end, and try my best to treat others as I want to be treated. This last principle is pretty strong with the political right, especially the Christians, or the Jews, who treated me much better than far left atheist, who treated me with prejudice, scorn, discrimination, and bias. There are some exception, this guy Noel Ignatiev from Harvard openly says he wants whites to be harassed and discriminated against by employers and landlords, and guess who sees it the worst? The white immigrants, especially from groups like Hungarians who are not as well established just yet. So my landlord, whom I worked for, explained to me how they told him to treat me badly and I quote " because I was white" and he told them he did not want to go that far. In the mean time Mexican neighbor tells me to read Mein Kampf, like I would benefit from that, and when I say I rather read the Torah, they take me for a liar. Funny thing is, I was raised by a communist family, and I have nothing to do with right wing hate groups. The Jews in fact treated me like a royalty, something I do not deserve, with a few exceptions like Professor Noel, who might not bat an eye if someone beats me to death in an alley mistaking me for a fascist. But after all, Noel is a born Jew, and I just have a Jewish soul. I guess better to be persecuted with a label that does not apply to me. So this is my story, and it is rather perplexing. I just go on by remembering the Victor Hugo quote, that adversity creates men. I am going to read Noel's book about how the Irish became white, and it is very much their own mistreatment of blacks that earned them that right. He talks about the Irish burning down a black orphanage, so if you wonder why the leader of the New Black Panther party tells his followers to kill white babies, there is a sad historical precedent. Me being an orphan, I would never do such thing, and racial violence is not something I would engage in. The problem is, every time the Hungarian government does or say something the left disagrees with, me and other Hungarians became the target here in the USA. The left is not quite pro immigrant, unless you come from a specific country. Well this is my experience, would be a pleasure to read yours
@maxschlepzig641
8 жыл бұрын
Defendor _And that includes the US government, who leads the world in charitable foreign aid. So that is important to keep in mind._ It also leads the world in terrorism and military supremacy by an unmatched capacity, something far more significant. _And these are brutal regimes where criticizing the government can lead you to persecution, jail, and torture_ Have you not been paying attention to what happens to American citizens that expose it's crimes? What you mentioned is the typical delusion most people tend to have about richer societies in the modern era: the government isn't as brutal or barbaric. Any glimpse into history automatically dismisses this notion. Any government's number one enemy is their own population because w/o their recognition of it's legitimacy, it will cease to exist. For the rest, you're just stating anecdotal evidence of your own, limited experiences trying to convey a point that I can't grasp as I don't see the relation of it to my previous post.
@RobinMcBeth
2 жыл бұрын
THIS is one of your intellectual heroes? Fucking hell.
@Oscareuh
Жыл бұрын
ok.
@jogendron6320
Жыл бұрын
Which are yours? Tucker Carlson?
@omnirath
2 ай бұрын
What is the issue ? Cooperation in human societies is a stupid idea to your eyes ?
@anthonymccarthy4164
6 жыл бұрын
I hate to have to tell Chomsky but Darwin, in the 5th and 6th editions of On the Origin of Species said that Spencer's "Survival of the Fittest" is identical to "Natural Selection," and that he clarified that on the suggestion of Alfred Russell Wallace, you can go look it up in Darwin's own words if you don't believe me. So Kropotkin's fig leaf of "mutual aid" while it might be right and is certainly less depraved is a contradiction of Darwinian principle. Natural selection is, as Darwin agreed with Ernst Haeckel, anti-democratic and, anti-socialist. It is aristocratic (see Darwin's letter to Haeckel praising his Freedom in Science and Teaching).
@tracksuitjim
5 жыл бұрын
i havent read darwin but i read kropotkin saying that darwin in 'descent of man' took pains to clarify his idea of survival of the fittest to include capacity for cooperation, as well as strength znd competition (kropotkin didnt deny that competition was a factor in life, he just thought it was being over-emphasized) in the definition of 'fitness'. i also dont think kropotkin thought his whole theory was darwinian, i think he just thought darwin was right about a lot of shit but that some things needed to be changed about or added to his ideas. the poin isnt an either or bdtween mutual aid and competition, its a more balanced acknowledgement of the possibility to construct a society that actively encourages the mutual aid aspect of life and mitigates the risks/violence of and channels its competitive aspects into healthier, less destructive places. kinda like sports and trades competitions- its competition but it doesnt lead to systemic poverty or sustain itself on settler colonialism, etc. it's more about disproving the idea of 'war of all against all' in favor of the idea that humans can self-govern via directly democratic, federated workers and neighborhood assemblies. we wont tear each other apart, and we dont need a state holding us in place, or an economic system that deifies selfishness and atomistic struggle to survive, which social darwinists seem to think. social darwinism ignores all the instances of symbiosis and msnifestations of cooperation, selflessness, and generosity that permeate human society. i might not understand the concept, but i dont understNd how ppl can believe it once you look at how many past and present societies functioned in ways that contradict social darwinism. i might be misunderstanding all of this but thats my general sense of it all. i kinda went away from the subject of yr comment too lol apologies (if u ever see this)
@tracksuitjim
5 жыл бұрын
also, to provide further evidence that kropotkin wasn't arguing that mutual aid was all there is and that competition didn't matter: one of his responses to the idea that anarchists think humans are angels was that its exactly because anarchists believe humans aren't perfect, completely selfless angels that they believe concentration of power in the hands of a few is a bad idea.
@stevewilson3791
Жыл бұрын
Dont forget to read Dean Baker, on ‘the nanny state’.
@Domkratos
Жыл бұрын
Kropotkin turns 180 today, December 9, 2022! I salute you, brothers and sisters anarchists!
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