I am never doing anything even remotely similar to this again, it almost killed me.
@Ali-fs7ze
2 жыл бұрын
Your production quality really is the best in the FG space tho.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ali-fs7ze Gotta make up for my less than impressive brain size somehow.
@D3Vlicious
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I don't think you need to. The production value is interesting, but you can likely make the same point in about half the time. Cutting out the fluff could also help speed up the pacing of the video.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
True, I could also have skipped editing completely and live streamed some power point slides. But I did the thing I wanted instead.
@SuuBrainrot
2 жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish The video is absolutely incredible but I can only imagine you spending hours and hours making 3D models and animations for... describing you eating pasta
@zoodles9517
Жыл бұрын
This discussion brings to mind Enkidu as he was on his release in Under Night In-Birth. He was considered the definitive bottom tier, but it felt almost appropriate. Lore-wise, he was the character with basically no special powers compared to the rest of the cast, and you got the feeling of that in his gameplay, as he didn't have the kind of strong tools that most other characters had to set the pace of the match. He generally had to just play patient against his opponents and slowly force his way in to leverage his frame traps and punish game. He sucked, but that made you really feel like a normal martial artist going up against magic asshole teenagers and freaky monsters with nothing but skill and wit, and it was a hell of a rush to win with him.
@goldengoldy0197
Жыл бұрын
Then he got a whole page long list of changes for Clr, and was considered amongst the strongest characters in the roster. Only to be nerfed heavily in the next and only balance patch. I'll never forget you old 66B...
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
We love a fisticuffs brawler tossed into a sword fight
@calelkestifer3570
Жыл бұрын
Bad characters are important to the mind games that are present at tournaments. As soon as you have underestimated your opponent, you have already lost... picking a bad character is a good way to call out your opponent's arrogance in a match, or whether they've done their homework on how their pick matches up against more than the meta.
@Fordddyyy
Жыл бұрын
Love the visual and editing style, looks like an absolutely nightmarish amount of work for one person. Scouts are good, they're just expensive
@Z10ZeeTen
2 жыл бұрын
I think the problem of loss of identity actually happened to Pichu in Ultimate and it really is just a slightly worse Pikachu now
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
Rip
@chrispo7610
Жыл бұрын
Significantly more fun than pika though in ultimate, which is why there are more pichus than pikas nowadays
@Pedro-ho2xj
11 ай бұрын
Yeah I wish it was a much worse Pikachu
@RedLineFGC
2 жыл бұрын
Editing and timing always has me blown away. Don't stop or I'll shit.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
What if I told you to shit?
@RedLineFGC
2 жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish うわー!はずかしい~!
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
レッドはんお前はうんちをします!
@DucktorHeyDucktor
Жыл бұрын
I agree but I do think part of the magic is low tiers aren't low tier "on purpose". The devs should be trying to make a roster where everyone is functional and good, and the fun is in the ways that that can often fail. Joke characters in my opinion are a bit different than true low tiers, in that they are developed to be terrible. It's interesting, and as someone who does enjoy low tiers, often in a puzzle solving sense, I wouldn't want a dev to intentionally make a character bad just for the sake of having bad characters.
@EpsilonKnight2
Жыл бұрын
I agree as well. You can have a character that technically is powerful due to gimmicks and other mechanical differences to the bread and butter top tiers, but still considered bad for other reasons. I main Yoshimitsu in Tekken and he has many options that on paper are completely unfair and broken, however he has to risk quite a lot to pull those options off most of the time. That still leaves him room to be good in the right hands, it just takes a different skillset to any of the straight-forward characters. Similarly Rangchu proved that you can still play a character everybody considers trash and gimmicky effectively and win if the game is balanced right when he won TWT with Kuma.
@HeirofDacia
Жыл бұрын
"Find me a bigger hill to climb than that" Okay... add a broken stick that barely works to the already existing conditions of Justin's match.
@maxjustice1542
2 жыл бұрын
You brought up a lot of good thoughts of how people see these terrible characters. How people can valuable them in a game. I’m guilty of using low tiers as an excuse. Letting go of my ego made me appreciate these gutters. Finding solutions on how to fight with a trash character can be fun. I do think people are judgmental and don’t give time to think about the bigger picture of a game. I see the discourse in social media. I know people won’t give the time to learn when some thing is unanimously considered “awful” or “overpowered” in a game. You right. There is something magical when some one works for their success in these games. So seeing a person just win with Q is pretty cool. I can tell lots of effort was put this. From the 3D models to subtle editing details, they were all funny like your other videos! I would like to see a showcase of your editing or do a behind the scenes with your videos. I can imagine the pain editing all of this. This comment is all ready long so Thank you for making another fun video. Always entertaining and still looking forward to more. Keep it up Rubbish!
@Satsui_No_Hado
Жыл бұрын
Your content is top notch and your explanations are great, keep doing masterful work
@Dandus_TF
2 жыл бұрын
Great editing and very unique presentation. Cool!
@TylerjX5
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your awesome content. This is one of the most underrated channels I watch. I certainly hope you get the attention you deserve soon.
@invincible9320
2 жыл бұрын
Great editing love it
@yankeejones9596
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit this is one of the best fighting game videos I've ever watched
@tonisnooker
11 ай бұрын
This video resonated alot. It livens up my Arc Of Negan spirit
@namename1302
Жыл бұрын
thank you very much for this video. many in the FGC have some kind of contempt for the idea of playing a low tier specifically to make wins feel more impactful relative to losses. this video covers that topic without shitting on the people who do it. it's refreshing. fundamentally, for me at least, it isn't about being able to blame your losses on your character, or any given bad matchup. it's about what parts of your play experience are vital and always connected exclusively to your ability. i would rather consider my wins to be the games most indicative of my skill, rather than my losses, and the only way to do that is to make sure i can never win unless i'm just better at the game.
@kumaSOevl
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video editing was fire
@ricardoludwig4787
2 жыл бұрын
I think this point becomes more true the larger a game's roster is. In a smaller game like third strike, having genuinely fun and unique characters being locked behind always beingthe underdog kinda sucks, but in larger games like marvel it becomes much more fun because you already have a greater variety of represented playstyles without locking them down. For example, the Mewtwo in melee is a completely unique character with gameplay unlike any other character in the upper half of the cast, and multiple players have shown interest in playing them more seriously, but now you only get like, three people playing them. On the other hand, little Mac has been a unique type of garbage in both smash 4 and ultimate, but has a sizable player base as you can pick better characters and find something you like, but if you want to be a lower tier lifer, he's there and you can bring the hype with him
@Mushiotaku
2 жыл бұрын
Went into the gutter looking for fun but ended up lost in the Leyndell Royal Capital Sewers, why would Harada do this?
@Pobega
11 ай бұрын
Great video. I wish you mentioned Evo2k13 Infiltration vs PR Balrog, when Infil counterpicked Balrog with low tier Hakan. That was probably the most excited I've ever seen a crowd during top 8. Not that I can blame you of course, probably was a lot of research already to find all the info in the video.
@HQRubbish
11 ай бұрын
I don't really fuck with Infiltration anymore, but yes that is for sure a moment in time.
@FrizzlenillCAN
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your reasoning, to a point, but I disagree that buffing bad characters is a bad thing. I think it varies by context. For example, I agree with you that Pichu is better for the game as a bad character than as a buffed one. Same with Sean, or Dan. However, I don't think I agree on that when it comes to characters like Twelve or Little Mac. When a character is a strictly (or predominantly) worse version of an existing character, I agree there's a lot of inherent value in players having an opt-in handicap in matches, and everything you said from exciting stories to rewarding wins holds true. However, when a character has a unique or interesting playstyle, many players may resonate with that character for that reason but be frustrated and saddened that their character sucks - sure some people will play that character for the same reasons as someone like Pichu, but a bunch of people may enjoy the unique style of that character and just wish they had at least SOME tools to compete. I think, in these cases, these characters provide more to the game when buffed than not. By all means, include bad versions of characters, but a game shouldn't make a unique function (or the only version of a certain playstyle available in that game, like the Soulcalibur character you described) terrible if it can be avoided. That's my stance, anyway - buffs have a place, but bad characters have a place as well, as bad VERSIONS of characters. That's where the underdog feeling shines most.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
Even though I am not a fan of balance adjustments in general, I do suppose I mostly agree with the sentiment presented. But at the same time it does strike me as a somewhat odd notion that the players who value the underdog experience ought to be barred from also playing a unique character (not to mention a cool one). I suppose a counter-argument to that is that the majority of players wish to pilot an at least somewhat strong character. I do however still think there is room for both. The bottom tier characters are by definition always going to be a minority after all.
@markushavens8669
Жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish I don't necessarily believe that the underdog experience has to come inherently from how good a character is. Skill ceiling also tends to play a role in these things. You mentioned MVC2 having a huge cast of absolutely garbage characters, which is true. The game also has a relatively large number of really good characters that effectively see little to no competitive play, simply because they require so much more effort (be it practice and execution, fundamentals, etc) to use than other characters. Dhalsim for example in MVC2 is generally considered by the top players to be on par with the god tiers (Storm/Sent/Mags/Cable/IM). He has all the tools to effectively be a top tier character and even has favorable matchups against a lot of the god tiers. You would never know it though, as he sees little to no competitive play due to the fact that he requires some insane execution to make work and put his tools to proper use. In the competitive scene, almost everyone is going to opt to play the characters that are just as good, but considerably easier to use. So when someone does come onto the scene playing Dhalsim (shout out to MADDROO) or other similarly tiered characters (Duc's Spiral is another good example) people tend to stand up and notice. Not because the characters they are using are bad or low tier, but rather because people recognize and respect the level of execution they need to have to be able to play the character at that level.
@poultriarchy
2 жыл бұрын
taste and see that the lord is good rubbish delivers yet again
@clashmanthethird
2 жыл бұрын
Underdog characters existing is important, especially when it suits the character to be low tier. Pichu, Dan, and Sean being low tier completes their character, while Sean being top tier in Second Impact felt like a design oversight, and Dan being a completely viable character who simply looks goofy muddies the joke of his character. I main Little Mac in Smash, and I don't think him being low tier is a failure in designing a perfectly balanced game, and he's a more valuable addition to the meta than if he was just a mid tier. His story is a complete lightweight fighting against the best of the best heavyweights and achieving a dark horse victory. Giving him some of the worst recovery in the game to offset his offensive tools is a good translation of his underdog character. I love spectating Peanut playing Mac because watching him manage to somehow recover back to stage is hype.
@lukejones7164
Жыл бұрын
Sean was never meant to be a weak joke character like Dan, that's why he was strong before 3rd Strike.
@ssbpleb
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome editing
@vOddy75
Жыл бұрын
The scout is a niche unit for sure, but I remember two occasions on which the scout was used to win professional games. Both situations were 12 nexus vs an all in Terran push. The Protoss was about to die, but scouts saved the day because of the lack of Terran anti air. I've also seen speed scout / reaver win PvZ at high level (Bisu vs Larva), although not in tournament , as a bit of a cheese, because Zergs don't scout for it since they don't expect it, and then suddenly a bunch of scouts emerge that can't be stopped by scourge. It almost worked in a foreigner tournament as well, although the Protoss user eventually lost the long game.
@theedwardian
Жыл бұрын
interstellar spare, nice
@pain_rain609
11 ай бұрын
You filter yourself out of survival by thinking bad of guns. Good for me
@gabelincoln5129
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this video was making two separate arguments. There's the argument that low tiers are good for a game simply by existing, and the argument that deliberately low tier characters are good for a game, and these arguments kind of get shoved together. I think low tiers are fine for a game to have. Low tiers do create exciting moments, but low tiers are also a natural result of how fighting games work. There are always going to be some characters that are better or worse in any fighting game. Even very well balanced games have defined top and bottom tiers. I think that arguing against balancing based on these moments is silly. These moments also happen without any sort of low tiers being involved. Take the explosion of international popularity of Pakistani Tekken that occurred after Arslan Ash won EVO. I think characters that are specifically designed to be low tier are of quite low value. You said it yourself, earlier versions of Dan were just bad shotos and Pichu is just bad Pikachu (although I have my doubts as to whether Pichu actually is a character that is supposed to be bad). What did you gain for having these characters in the game? Worse versions of characters that are already there. Is there value in a character that isn't actually exploring the limits of the design space? I don't think there is. Dan in SFV is an interesting character not for being a worse shoto or for being a joke, but for being a character that explores a space that isn't really explored in SFV with his ability to trade doing cool stuff for giving his opponent more v-meter. This makes Dan in SFV be more than just a character that is a "HAHA, bad shoto" character and allows him to grow both story wise and gameplay wise into his own interesting character.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
Dan and Pichu being valuable higlights the idea that there is an experience of note from simply having a character that is bad. What the game gained is the upsets/skill expression moments that those characters carry with them. And having the characters "just" be poor clones also brings along something unique as well. Eliminating any "hidden advantage" potentially gained by poor but unique mechanics could presumably heighten any "David vs Goliath" vibe. It seems like a pretty narrow viewpoint that this idea doesn't get to count as exploring design space. Now, ought all bad characters be poor imitations of already existing toolkits? Obviously not. I think game designers reasonably should primarily aim to create compelling characters first and foremost. But I find it to be an easy thought trap to just assume that the idea of the strictly worse character is inherently one without value.
@enderben2805
Жыл бұрын
I like your previews
@harryvpn1462
Жыл бұрын
This is surreal to watch
@borederlands5387
Жыл бұрын
When the trash character is a projectile heavy character they're hardly treated as an underdog though, apparently those are just too toxic for people to like
@borederlands5387
Жыл бұрын
this is about launcher from dnf duel (who i main)
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
Character hate is real, and sadly pretty rampant. I feel for you.
@borederlands5387
11 ай бұрын
Update: launcher's no longer low tier, she's potentially one of the best in the game. Reception wise nothing really changed though
@Qiom1
10 ай бұрын
I know exactly what youre talking about with the pasta. I had been eating nothinf but plain rice for a week straight and one day i found a can of beans and i popped off about having beans with my rice and made a celebration tweet about it
@cammyshill3099
Жыл бұрын
I don't think there's much incompatibility between striving for balance and having underdogs to root for in fighting games. No matter how hard one tries to balance, there will always be low tier, even if those low tiers are stronger compared to the low tiers of older games. We're still going to have our underdogs, even if some are seasonal (but there are definitely still going to be the eternal low tiers too, because like we've seen in SFV sometimes certain designs just don't mesh well with the game's overall meta).
@amaurothatchling
Жыл бұрын
3:42 THE BEST THING ABOUT HEROQUEST IS THE BARBARIAN!!!
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
Let's discuss how the Dwarf is of course the nr1 choice here in the responses where the plebians cannot see.
@amaurothatchling
Жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish not gonna lie, never actually played the dwarf, only ever played the wizard. But dwarf is definitely best hero from what I've seen in games, very much for true afficionados of the game.
@someone4437
Жыл бұрын
So wonderfully awesome and unsurprising that there is crossover between this channel and BardicBroadcasts :D
@luisbo3
Жыл бұрын
SF5 Dan is actually legit
@MeteWayne
Жыл бұрын
i am thinking rly hard! oh btw really cool animations :D
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
Tyvm
@barnaba2137
Жыл бұрын
how is this channel so good lol, I don't even play fighting games
@EU_DHD
2 жыл бұрын
Makes me think of Oingo Boingo - Lost like this If I were to guess I'd say the balancing is more aimed at people who really like the character rather than the fact that they're low tier. So that the people with a passion for what the designers and voice actors have created get what they want rather than the people who appreciate the "mistake" that the devs made. I think that's fair but I can also agree that part of the game goes missing when defining features like character strength is changed. More so than if the design of a character model would change.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
I suppose I agree to a certain degree. I do however find it interesting that it's easy to value the people who enjoy a characters aesthetics and personality more than those who currently enjoy how the character functions. I think there's an argument to be made that those who are currently invested in the existing experience are "truer" fans than those who do so with the caveat that they feel the experience ought to change.
@venomw6823
Ай бұрын
@@HQRubbishHi I know its been years but I just came across this video again and. This actually reminds me of the infamous MVCI “function” line.
@Marzimus
Жыл бұрын
Beating my buddy with three Dan's in MVC2 is gutter gold! So much so my vehicle says GADOKEN!
@amari-7347
Жыл бұрын
I wasn’t planning on being seduced while being fed fighting game information, I’m not complaining though.
@footwurk92
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this Video it has so much truth to it!
@IsiahTomas
Жыл бұрын
Oh, NOW we get to make a critique on someone's eyebrows.
@MommysGoodPuppy
Жыл бұрын
this video is fuckin crazy holy shit
@harry_hydrogen
Жыл бұрын
Eddy Gordo mains rise up
@eurekatriviot9770
Жыл бұрын
Watching this video made something kind of click for me. I probably knew it before but made it abundantly clear. Unless I’m able to detach my self worth from a game, there will be no possibility for growth to happen within it. Both in terms of skill and enjoyment. Sounds silly but is the reason I suddenly feel like I should go do the dishes and also improve my life as a whole in other areas, before putting that same energy into a video game. Probably overthinking it tho.
@kingorion88
2 жыл бұрын
Im gonna get fucked up big time.
@ASTR47
2 жыл бұрын
Song name at 10:10? Really good video. I enjoy playing Yoshimitsu because of how wacky they can be even if they're low tier
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
It's the Online Menu Theme from Tekken 5:DR. Thanks for watching!
@ASTR47
2 жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish preciate it fam
@frolk_7014
2 жыл бұрын
I actually might try some basic ass pasta and pesto. You know, just to try it? Ill let you know how it goes. Wish me luck
@frolk_7014
2 жыл бұрын
Oh great video as usual btw, Rubbish. Keep up the good work
@MetaSynForYourSoul
Жыл бұрын
I can't tell you how surreal it is being an old school arcade player of all the Street Fighters to see Dan go from his Alpha iterations to his Street Fighter 5 almost to tier with his goofy ass taunt that does ACTUAL DAMAGE. I think I'm some ways, you're right and Capcom had kinda forgotten the point of this character, which was making fun of SNK characters. Now he's literally just one of "their fighters" instead of a complete joke, which is fine, but he's no doubt lost something that made him special. Now all that ties him to that original concept is his special moves and his design. Only now, because the character doesn't outright suck, he's almost more of an homage than a parody, which is just like this head Turn 180 from where Dan began. He'll, at this point, you could even say he's a ripoff if you didn't know the history. Like day you played KOF 15 then played SFV and you were like, "Hey, that's Ryo Sakazaki moves on this lame ass mofo in the pink. WTF??!!!" No one could blame you for that in my book. Let the poo poo characters be shitty, guys, damn it!!!
@Dandus_TF
2 жыл бұрын
Plain Pasta is great, fuck.
@hylanderOP
2 жыл бұрын
I like a shit character like dan that was made for the purposes of being shit. However sometimes new DLC characters that have no reason to be weak come out and in that case I support the buffs.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
There's certainly room for buffs and nerfs in games, the video is probably more squarely aimed at the blanket idea that bad characters necessarily ought to be buffed.
@hylanderOP
2 жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish yeah they don't objectively always need buffs.
@night1952
11 ай бұрын
I'm a scrub at fighting games so tier matter very little to me but when I played LoL i played a bunch of low tiers on purpose. Since they're out of meta people don't know how to deal with them and their niche strenghts. Sivir and Urgot where really fun before their reworks, they're more fun in general now but it was fun to see people freak out at the insane damage they dealt with their respective Qs back then.
@johngleeman8347
Жыл бұрын
It's an interesting argument, but do you need more than one character to achieve the positive results you want? Besides the bonuses to online play, if you could have a roster of characters that was as close to perfectly balanced as possible, and had interesting mechanics to distinguish them, then you would see great varieties of representation at every tournament. I think that having a robust roulette of evenly-weighted and different gameplay styles clashing against each other from the bottom of the bracket to the top would be even more enjoyable than having very unfair matches seen extremely rarely at a tournament. As an analogy, I would rather have mutton and fish every day of the month versus ground beef and spam every day and filet mignone and lobster once a month.
@oldtools6089
11 ай бұрын
Dan is the only saving grace street fighter has.
@brandnamepending4817
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as usual, but I have a counter point. I had this really shitty ex friend who mained Eliza, and would NEVER shut up about her being low tier. They found every single excuse they could to bitch, moan, and complain. Even when kicking my ass. Anytime fighting games in general was brought up they'd find a way to complain as that mindset from playing Eliza infected how they were as a person. Playing fighting games with them was like pulling teeth in the end as even in other games, they would find a way to complain. When playing granblue they would constantly complain about how this was how street fighter 5 should have been and was "real neutral". When I bought sfV bc they weren't interested in playing strive bc "no jam" they ran one set with me, complained the whole time about how it's not real street fighter and how Alex needed buffing. And just in general always complained about fighting games. so there, my anecdotal story completely trumps an excellently made video that probably took months of work and actual research. Joking aside, i think this defeatist bitchy attitude is by no means exclusive to low tier character pickers, but for some, it is an excuse to complain even more. I fully agree on you point that games do need low to garbage tier characters to help create those community moments.
@jonnysac77
2 жыл бұрын
That dude should really just pick a top tier if character strength bugs them so much
@brandnamepending4817
2 жыл бұрын
@@jonnysac77 he was very wierdly obsessed with Eliza in Tekken 7 tho.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
Soubds like a real charmer.
@brandnamepending4817
2 жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish theres a reason its an *ex* friend
@ngamer8088
Жыл бұрын
Peak
@ADepressedWooper
2 ай бұрын
what's the song name of T-Hawk on the bike?
@HQRubbish
2 ай бұрын
Meatloaf - Bat Out of Hell
@ADepressedWooper
2 ай бұрын
@@HQRubbish thanks
@ividboy7616
Жыл бұрын
I think the important thing about characters like pichu and sean though is that they can be designed to be bad on purpose because there are better versions of them. If you like how sean or pichu plays but you want to play a character that's not garbage, just play ken or pikachu. But I really dont like the idea of someone incidentally picking a character they like, and oops, turns out that playing your preffered character competitivly is an extremely obnoxious experience if you actually want to win, and double oops, there's no better version of that character they are wholely unique. Like if someone's favorite melee character is bowser, after enough time they're probably just going to drop the game rather than tough it out or play another character.
@ividboy7616
8 ай бұрын
@quicksilverGS well yeah, any Bowser main that actually sticks to it is almost religiously dedicated to their character, you see this kind of thing with a lot of low tiers (aka grappler mains can't be normal about their characters ever)
@mcFreaki
10 ай бұрын
okay but i still want my main to get buffed :)
@Cambiony
2 жыл бұрын
I can see your point that there are sometimes upsides to characters being bad, but in my opinion these days when patches are available, better balance is more valuable. Lot of the psychological benefits of shit characters can be attained by just intentionally playing someone significantly better. Also those underdog matches can still exist if the matchup is bad, but the character doesn't have to be bad in it's totality for that. I agree that there is some value in being able to intentionally handicap yourself, but dedicating a whole character for that seems too much of a cost for so small of a benefit.
@jonnysac77
2 жыл бұрын
Ye, it's really not worth it especially since there are more and arguably better ways to get those underdog moments, especially since new players who like the low tier characters are probably gonna feel pressured to either switch or quit if they think there character is too bad to work
@spiffythealien
2 жыл бұрын
Dan in SFV is not the same as Ken... Your video implied that making Dan less ass would be the same as making another Ken. Are Ganondorf and Mario "the same character" since they're both in C+ Tier? Surely Donkey Kong and Mr. Game and Watch are indistinguishable from each other. Players who express themselves by flipping sausages with this small flat man must also relate to this large MonKEE with a tie in the exact same way. Samus and Yoshi? Why practically mirror images I say! Mewtwo, Roy, Ness, and Zelda are all victims of the dreaded "homogenization" that you warn us about since they have roughly the same competitive success in the meta. A more even matchup is more exciting because the audience doesn’t have a predictable outcome. All the FGC hype and drama with boisterous personalities, smack talk and rivalries which make up the narratives surrounding FGC events are external to the game. With hard work and creativity an unknown underdog can beat a well known “FGC bitch”, with or without a trash tier character to generate an overwhelmingly hype moment, but most will not. *That’s how odds work.* Fewer hype moments are produced because the circumstances dictating how rewarding choosing a trash tier character will be are overwhelmingly weighted to prevent such upsets from occurring. I would prefer more people playing a wider pool of viable characters to create more variable interactions to facilitate more possibilities for exciting upsets, which “FGC bitches” hate because they hate unpredictability (AKA pros hate when they lose to players they "shouldn't" have lost to AKA the FGC hierarchy of bitches was disrupted). I would prefer a world where black children *don’t* have to statistically work far harder for less chances of attaining the same level of success due to socioeconomic factors enforced by institutionalized racism. Instead of telling the most disadvantaged people in society to ‘work harder’ while climbing a steeper mountain to ‘git gud’ and hope they beat the odds that are always stacked against them, we could, and should, make some adjustments to the meta. Tiers in fighting games will always exist, but we don’t need S Tiers and Garbage Tiers with a Bezos to Beggar gulf of resource distribution between them. Instead of demanding personal solutions to systemic problems we should improve the world so that people can start out with more equality of opportunity and spend less time living paycheck to paycheck, scrambling to find anything to eat. We would objectively lose things, yes. It means we wouldn’t have inspirational movies to watch about struggling against racism and/or rising out of poverty while all the other unlucky people don’t…but the world, just like a fighting game, would be objectively more fair and just AND entertaining **with a little balancing.**
@Ramsey276one
2 жыл бұрын
I will only consider a character $#!+ if it cannot win any matchup AT ALL
@webbacon7106
Жыл бұрын
I mean I see the point being made here, but alas, I'm sure those people playing those shit characters play them because they genuinely enjoy them, not simply because they're shit. To take them as far as they did purely because they're shit seems kinda unlikely. To some extent, at least, you have to enjoy playing Pichu to stick with Pichu for that long despite him being that bad. Given that people play who they like, it's definitely not the best feeling to have your favorite character severely disadvantaged purely to have them feel like an underdog in every scenario. Hell, Street Fighter 6 is on the way and people are hyped for Dee Jay and I'm sure they're not thinking "man I sure hope my SF4 main will be equally as trash in this game!". Regardless though, your editing is insane
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
I'm definitely not arguing that the people you describe do not exist, nor that they are vastly outweighed by people looking for an underdog experience. I am however defending their right to continue having said experience. It bothers me that people consider the idea of buffing a character through patches, or changing them heavily (like Dan) between iterations as an entirely unproblematic occurrence. Why should we automatically value the people who "Like Pichu but wished they were stronger" more than those who like the character *because* it is bad? Cheers for watching.
@webbacon7106
Жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish because I feel like some characters are sorta meant to be bad and some are just unintentionally bad. Like sure, if a character is outright stated to be a joke character, then it makes sense to leave them shit and let the players who like the challenge play them, but in other circumstances, characters are bad simply because of an oversight by the devs, making it feel frustrating because you know you like the character a lot, but they're so outclassed by everyone else that you end up fighting to overcome an underdog status that was placed onto your character by accident. For example, in melty blood type lumina, neco arc is overall a pretty bad character, but it's obviously on purpose because she's the super gimmicky joke character who just wants to put random shit on screen and have a good time. TL; DR, I think in some circumstances, I agree that those characters shouldn't be buffed, specifically when its evident that the devs fully intended the character to be bad, but in situations where they're trash because of oversights, I think buffing them is fair. That way, those who want that challenge know who to play to get it and those who just want a fun character to main and try to get good with can do so without worrying that their pick will be left in the dust because the devs simply didn't realize they were garbage. Personally I did think it was weird that Dan was made good since I really did believe he was supposed to be a silly ahh character from conception
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
@@webbacon7106 Again I would draw no strict line between "Feels like an oversight" and "Clearly designed this way" since that argument gives developer intentions complete superiority over any and all emergent gameplay and experience.
@armorbearer9702
Жыл бұрын
Low tiers can make the experience more enjoyable between casual and more experienced players. An experienced melee player picking Pichu might be able to get a challenge if his casual friend picks Marth.
@lustfulgodlilith9228
Жыл бұрын
Is A.B.A. considered low tier? I know she's a high risk high reward character but, I struggle.
@mundanest
Жыл бұрын
It's criminal to have this level of editing and this low of a subscriber count
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
What can I say, I'm a villain!
@IronicCliche
Жыл бұрын
I would argue that Dan needed to be better because he evolved past his joke. The easiest way I would argue to make a joke character is to make them a worse clone of the original. Clones are easy to make resource wise and anyone who wants to play a better version of that character has that option.
@Dandus_TF
2 жыл бұрын
Pichu is cute! ):
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
To each their own :)
@RobSomeone
Жыл бұрын
I liked the video when you called everyone a dumb bitch. Speaks only the truth.
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
It is what it is.
@IsiahTomas
Жыл бұрын
@@HQRubbish So the eyebrows in this thumbnail are trash, then?
@epaomirimiri
Жыл бұрын
bro, sound balancing, please ; v; I'm interested in what you have to say but I'm having to keep a finger on the volume at all times since the editing brings both impossibly quiet and terribly loud sounds with no warning. Although, I guess this video was from 9 months ago. You might have gotten a lot better in that time. Ah well, posting anyway.
@skunkface_
Жыл бұрын
May Lee is good, though.
@netawa
Жыл бұрын
You get a point for yakuza music and other 99 points for content
@HQRubbish
Жыл бұрын
Bangers on bangers
@vendeezel
Жыл бұрын
Is this an ad 4 Pesto?? Oh... Nvm
@elbananitolokito
2 жыл бұрын
Ago gotto sote yaru ze
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@flashn00b
2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, Geralt being low-tier in SoulCalibur VI has been met with a mentality that can be best described as "good riddance" while I have to take pride in archiving a time where it was possible to even win with him due to him being replaced with SNK's Haohmaru. I'd like to know what you think about the notion of a character being nerfed to such a degree that the base game has one less character than it had on launch, thus forcing you to buy DLC to fill up that figuratively empty slot.
@HQRubbish
2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty avidly against balance adjustments in general which I suppose answers that question.
@connor8198
Жыл бұрын
Great video, disliking it because plain pasta rules
@max-potato-muncher
Жыл бұрын
Khan supremacy
@queenofwolfs1597
Жыл бұрын
khan is best grappler
@jeffsantos93
Жыл бұрын
Amaaaaaaaazing video, I ALWAYS grativate to low tiers and now I understand why hehehe I rather win 20% of games and feel like I earned it than win 50% with a top tier.
@khrashingphantom9632
Жыл бұрын
I've been saying this for years. "Tiers" don't matter without skill as far as actual play goes. KZitem meta consistently reinforces this false notion that only "top tier" characters in fighting games are worth playing and anyone below them are "trash tier" which is incomplete. No amount of "balancing" or tiers are a substitute for practice and skill. This video was awesome, but it did get me thinking and helped me gain some more perspective. Thanks for posting. This was hilarious!
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