Thanks for the continued conversation. Although I am fully in favor of protecting copyright, I also know that labels have exploited copyright from their creators for so long that it's hard to accept their business practices. Where the music labels used to develop their artists and build long careers for their artists, ever since they were taken over from corporations it is all about bottom line. They now look for young creators to build their own audience and then come in and exploit them with onerous contracts. They have not footed the bills as you mentioned for decades. The reality is that they "lend" the artist the money with "advances" that are extremely difficult to pay off. Excuse me if I have no love for their business models.
@SyncMyMusic
18 күн бұрын
Lending the money to pay for studio time is still footing the bill. If the artist doesn't sell well they're not liable to pay the labels back. The labels are taking the financial risk with these deals. How would you structure these deals so they're not "exploitative" AND keep you profitable?
@chris-hu7tm
18 күн бұрын
I refuse to stand behind the big labels, fuck em
@SyncMyMusic
18 күн бұрын
You don't have to "stand behind" them to benefit from the precedent a lawsuit like this can have for copyright holders.
@statebeyond373
17 күн бұрын
This time their efforts could help all artists
@user-bp8oo4gr9c
5 күн бұрын
As humans, I think the main thing is to support humans, and preserve human creativity, and not to allow ourselves to be replaced by machines.
@user-bp8oo4gr9c
20 сағат бұрын
I didn't understand the comment about that we need to let these models succeed, because we need to have AGI
@dafingaz
18 күн бұрын
I mean...the doll from Child's Play was a "Good Guy" also so....
@crnkmnky
18 күн бұрын
👀
@benwilliamstv
18 күн бұрын
Just two sharks fighting over dinner.
@SyncMyMusic
18 күн бұрын
@@benwilliamstv perhaps! And we’re the minnows swimming closely behind one of those sharks.
@GeneralFailureMajorError-mn6jn
18 күн бұрын
It's all about the money... dum dum dadada dum...
@crnkmnky
18 күн бұрын
_And I think we got it all wrong anyway…_
@rui5421
18 күн бұрын
This is the part where I feel like there is a lack of honesty and rewriting of history every time we get to these conflicts. Sync was not what most people aspired to do. Most people found out that that was where money was for people to do music and still make a living. It wasn’t the goal, it was the scraps, because labels and media made it so hard to really be successful in music. Piracy came up and labels chose to take the available options and bought into streaming, and that’s fine, but the cuts they agreed to shortchange the creators so that the labels can keep as much profit as possible. So now them spearheading this push against AI, while actively trying to find a way to make it work for THEIR benefit is exactly why this is bleak. Not because there are no options, but because people are so predictably slow to jump on the next resource to make their living. in the same way people moved to sync to try and find a way tp make a living, AI will require folks to use AI to keep pace and provide quality and service that media will still need. Sure AI can make music for anyone, but it still takes skill to turn that stuff into workable music for the needs of pop, film, sync, etc. The problem is, if people sell out their access to AI, and hand it over to labels, you will be facing the gatekeepers again before you ever get a penny….and without a doubt even if they sign a deal to get creators royalties, its fractions of a penny at best…worst that Spotify.
@SyncMyMusic
18 күн бұрын
It's no one's responsibility or job to make it easy for us to succeed with music.
@rui5421
18 күн бұрын
@@SyncMyMusic never said it was. Said it’s just a bunch of people fighting for scraps because they keep hoping the big players will break them off a piece of some business.
@SyncMyMusic
18 күн бұрын
@@rui5421 Your comment's quote "because labels and media made it so hard to really be successful in music." Who cares? Life is hard.
@rui5421
18 күн бұрын
@@SyncMyMusic you are assuming points are there that I’m not trying to make. Yeah it’s hard out there, and people do what they gotta do. What I’m saying is sync was not a goal that folks aspired to. It’s what they coped with. So this whole fight to protect their job from AI is ridiculous because it is a job that can be done by AI, but even if AI was used more often, good creators will still find work because they provide something the market doesn’t have. The AI fight is about access. While most people are trying to protect their theoretical pennies based on the idea that AI stole their work and took their jobs, but the more likely outcome is, people will use AI to increase their unique output and it might be trained on general work, or maybe only trained in the individual’s work. Either way, people who have worked with or in labels know how bad it is to hand the fight over to the labels because they have constantly worked against the benefit of creators. If you want to go into the next fight with one hand tied behind your back, side with the labels. If not, we can try and find the alternatives that hopefully satisfy creators but downs hand over AI to big entities only.
@SyncMyMusic
18 күн бұрын
@@rui5421 many producers did aspire to create music for tv and film. I know them personally.
@user-bp8oo4gr9c
20 сағат бұрын
you mentioned while back something about there being some kind of musicians union (in some other part of the world) What ever happened with that?
@railshot
18 күн бұрын
As a 71 year old former live performing musician that cannot play well anymore, A.I. has been a godsend for me allowing me to get back into creating music. I remember the days when the artist was a priority, but then it turned into nothing more than a business where creation has been set aside and replaced by what sells..... sigh.... Being too old, but still having the passion for music creation, I truly need it. We all learned by listening to others styles and songs. Did we plagiarize them by doing that? What a paradox eh? The times they are a changing.
@SyncMyMusic
18 күн бұрын
So glad it’s been useful for you! There are many AI sites that paid/licensed the music they trained on.
@railshot
18 күн бұрын
@@SyncMyMusic I do wish I had known about them when I first began this adventure, and thanks for replying. I will look into them next. I do believe the artist should be compensated for their skills and talent.
@skidmarkjohnson8452
18 күн бұрын
I'm sure that Udio anticipated this current development. In the end I think what might happen is that some type of settlement will happen where going forward, Udio will be required to pay some ongoing licensing fees to continue, because putting them out of business produces no income to the offended parties. I'm also pretty sure that Udio did things this way because if they'd tried to do everything ubove board to start they would not have been able to develop at the insanely rapid pace that they have. When millions are at stake investors will gamble big. Hopefully in the end, we musicians won't be caught in a lose lose situation.
@K-qg5qe
18 күн бұрын
Let me ask you a question. An armless painter still draws with his mouth holding a pan What do you think?
@railshot
17 күн бұрын
@@K-qg5qe Heheh, I think he is amazing in the fact he is an artist without arms, drawing with his mouth, and can still hold a "pan".
@crnkmnky
18 күн бұрын
No, the music we loved was _not_ all produced by major labels. A lot of it was produced by smaller labels, which were eventually acquired by majors. Back then (1960-1980), most of the "big" labels (CBS, RCA, Capitol, MCA, ABC) were subsidiaries of bigger corporations. Most of the bigger labels we know today were originally independent companies. Anyway, that's random trivia. 🤐
@crnkmnky
18 күн бұрын
Rick Beato was holding vinyl records by Led Zeppelin (Atlantic Records, 1969), Pat Metheny (ECM Records, 1979), and Genesis (Charisma Records, 1973). Atlantic was already a big player by the time it sold to Warner Bros. in 1967, and now it's a major unit within WMG. ECM is still an independent German label (then distributed by Warner Bros., now by UMG). Charisma was acquired by Virgin in 1986. Richard Branson sold Virgin to EMI, most of which is now part of UMG. In the U.S., Genesis was/is distributed by Atlantic.
@user-bp8oo4gr9c
20 сағат бұрын
about what you said that some people who are siding with the AI companies, are saying thigs like just open source it (and cause chaos, and wild west or something like that), It sounds like you're saying this about people who don't work for the tch companies but are eager for them make AI generated music. I'm interested to know who these people are, and more importantly, why they are so eager to have AI generated music. (it's not as if there's any shortage of existing, human music)
@axonathan
16 күн бұрын
The law suit means nothing for unsigned independent artists
@SyncMyMusic
16 күн бұрын
Indies don't benefit from a precedent being set that licensing is required for data training on CR music?
@ericauclair7594
11 күн бұрын
48:40 A lot of people are looking at AI as the "Second Coming". It's becoming a dogma.
@genuinefreewilly5706
18 күн бұрын
At no time in history musicians have massive latitude and freedom to create truly original music right now. Its up to musicians and all creators how they proceed. There is no competition between musicians and AI. One cannot compete with metal and transistors, you are going to lose. This law suite is sham, the major labels are 2 faced. They have been buying up artists catalogues, big time for the past 20 years. They know very well AI music would be a thing I frankly do not think the next 500 years of repurposed Beatles music is cool A boardroom of sociopaths suing tech start ups will not make the music industry better As said before the genie is out of the bottle. We are all going to have to get smarter and creative
@SyncMyMusic
18 күн бұрын
Red Lobster used AI music for their latest ad campaign. That's not competing with human producers and artists?
@genuinefreewilly5706
17 күн бұрын
@@SyncMyMusic @SyncMyMusic That is true. However Red Lobster has far as I know has been sold to a private equity firm, so it doesn't surprise me they would go for the cheapest ad campaign. Like many struggling franchises and well known companies and NGOs (BMI) , they are getting swallowed up by equity firms. No competition just desperation and innovation on the fly I saw another video about a small music contractor and their staff being replaced by AI. I believe they were in the business of 'localization' ( translation services to other languages) It is rumored AI will replace a number of music education products I cant call AI competitive or positive, Its looks like the same old 'the race to the bottom' or corporations out of control.
@SyncMyMusic
17 күн бұрын
@@genuinefreewilly5706 Replacement is replacement. Doesn't matter if it's a failing business bought out by privity equity. Bottom line is that work that COULD have been offered human copyright holders is being given to a machine that likely trained off of some of those human's music. Not cool.
@genuinefreewilly5706
15 күн бұрын
@@SyncMyMusic Who and what is the replacement? Well Its a hired chump(human) skilled at using AI. Likely one with a degree in music, and or engineering and marketing. If I were a younger man, Id be polishing my coding skills. We are perhaps looking at a new generation of 'musicians'. I do not like it, but I have certainly seen crafts and skills made redundant over the decades . It is fair to mention failed business models. Especially as they relate to music. From AI to royaltes, BMI and music software sold to private Equity... It is connected. One is blind not seeing some relationship
@SyncMyMusic
15 күн бұрын
@@genuinefreewilly5706 Without AI music to use, Red Lobster would have had to hire/license music created by humans to use.
@intriguingfacts5434
18 күн бұрын
a weird time for indie musicians....enemy of my enemy, is my friend.
@drewmantia
17 күн бұрын
This issue has made it sickeningly clear for me that cynical underground artists will side against labels that they never have and never will do any business with and side with AI platforms that will never threaten their musical livelihood because they don't have one. They won't do the work to get in the game so they want to see the playing field burn down for those of us that need our copyrights protected because we profit off them. PS I'm not specifically talking about this platform, I see these sentiments anywhere this conversation is being had.
@federicoaschieri
18 күн бұрын
Labels are greedy? What about the CEOs of Udio and Suno, that want to make massive amounts of money for a companies of, like, 20 people? There is no reason to hate labels. Artists are free to sign to them or not. Labels are helping establishing the precedent that training AI for free is not fair use. A win for all of us.
@crnkmnky
18 күн бұрын
I've seen a lot of toxic words in both directions, but more fallacious talking points from the -"AI bros."- pro-AI crowd. It's a religious war.
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