Who would even think about stealing the Bible? You need help.
@Toetalwar
Ай бұрын
I once saw a quote from a gideon that went like "if you are going to steal our bibles we place, that's okay. they probably need it"
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
Correction: Zondervan does not own the copyright of the NRSV updated edition. The National Council of Churches still has the rights!
@ma-mo
Жыл бұрын
That ain't no catalog. What you got there is a brochure, at best. Perhaps a flyer. I didn't realize Zondervan now owns the NRSV; or perhaps i misheard you? Did they acquire it to kill it off?
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
I don't know. I just assume that they have the copyright rights to publish it? I have no idea how it works I just know that zondervan finagled with the font in their NRSV and it didn't turn out well but they didn't prove over time.
@kaw19atlas
Жыл бұрын
One question I always have with these is whether there's really a major end-consumer market for the NRSV/NRSVue. I work in the last commercial Christian bookstore in town, and I sell a grand total of two or three NRSV Bibles a month and have sold one NRSVue in the past twelve months. The editions with apocrypha often sell better than the others, often to people who prefer evangelical translations without easily available apocrypha.
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
Exactly right, and you have a good point. They do not sell as well. But if they put an effort into marketing and really made an intentional effort to sell it on the broader market, I think it would take because it is one of the best translations. I think it's way better than the ESV personally.
@FrKevinDaugherty
Жыл бұрын
@@joest.eggbenedictus1896 The NRSV is used by many churches in worship, but from the publishing side it hasn't been marketed well for a long time. I think if they did some advertising it would do really well.
@kaw19atlas
Жыл бұрын
@@joest.eggbenedictus1896 I think a lot of this is just an issue with how to market. The NRSV/NRSVue as ecumenical translations are harder to sell to evangelicals, fundamentalists, and to a lesser degree charismatics (who aren't necessarily opposed to it, but tend to view dry academic backgrounds with suspicion). Catholics like the NRSV, while most Orthodox Christians don't. I'm not sure how good Catholic reception of NRSVue has been. Catholics also have a few other more distinctly Catholic translations around, like the NABRE. My main experience with a NRSV user (as opposed to "I'm curious about the apocrypha" or "I'm catching 'em all!") was a UCoC pastor who was surprised I knew the NRSVue existed and my brother, who is a Princeton grad.
@kaw19atlas
Жыл бұрын
@@FrKevinDaugherty I wonder how many NRSVs sell to consumers from this. I know pew Bibles sell pretty well, but don't encourage a diverse product line. The NRSV Bibles on the market are I think a major issue with market-share than the marketing itself or lack thereof. There just aren't Bibles that hop off the shelves. The C. S. Lewis Bible, which would be a major seller to more conservative Christians, has a multitude of typographical sins (gold print? c'mon!). The academic study Bibles are unlikely to attract consumers (New Oxford, Baylor, HarperCollins, Interpreter's, SBL). They might sell to an academic crowd, but they just won't ever be lay-person friendly and people like myself who don't know how to say no are a minority of the Bible-buying market. This leaves the denominational study Bibles (which are Wesleyan and Lutheran, and the Wesley Study Bible is also available in CEB), the Access Study Bible, and the NRSV Adventure Bible for the little 'uns. As far as I can tell, there are no NRSVue study Bibles. The text Bibles for the NRSV are pretty capable, though there aren't giant print around as far as I can tell. The problem is that at least as far as best-sellers, you kind of need that infrastructure. Holman's CSB does this really well with its push for just so many configurations it's not even funny, a $35 study Bible in a personal-size leathersoft format (which you can pretty easily find for as little as $24), and bazillions of different configurations.
@MM-jf1me
Жыл бұрын
@@kaw19atlasThere's just not that many versions of the NRSV/ue available to buy. I've been actively looking to buy a "pretty" NRSV for the past 6 years and haven't yet found one available that I like. The closest edition of the Bible to what I'm looking for is the Catholic Illustrated Bible, but that's not really what I want either. I'm wanting an edition of the Bible like Hosanna Revival's Santa Elena theme or something like the ESV Illuminated Bible or ESV Women's Study Bible in Teal. At the moment, the Bible I want to buy doesn't yet exist. I think if there were a greater variety of NRSV/ue being sold then there would be more interest in the translation -- most NRSV/ue that have been offered for sale (at least in recent years) have just been too boring or too economical in their looks.
@joesbibles5636
Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry, man. I didn’t realize it was that hard finding a good, premium NRSV.
@sdhute
5 ай бұрын
Is it worth getting the UE? Trying to figure out which one to purchase for my library. There does not appear to be many leather versions out there. I might just have to get the purple zondervan goat skin one.
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
5 ай бұрын
Word on the street is that both Cambridge and Allen are printing UEs by late summer. I don't see too much of a difference between it and the older NRSV except a few places. I just don't like the NRSVue Zondervan text blocks, so I may get the Allen.
@Sujowi
4 ай бұрын
I too am looking for a page layout illustration of the UE. I’m wanting a move away from NIV to a journaling edition and to match the version used in my Anglican congregation. So when I saw your title with the word ‘ rant’ I thought this will answer some questions. Thanks you did….and bless you for ranting!
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
4 ай бұрын
Ranters unite!
@2Snakes
Жыл бұрын
I'm holding out for a single-column UE. Single-column bible's are superior for comprehension, context, and provide a more fluid reading experience, IMO. The UE is a lovely translation but I'm not a fan of the current offerings from Zondervan.
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
You may be waiting a while!! But I Don't know really when that might be offered.
@ThriftStoreBibles
Жыл бұрын
The marketing and promotion for the NRSVue has been absolutely awful. I thought with an update out the rights holders would try to do better but they haven't. And the committee responsible for the update has done a poor (IMHO) job of addressing criticisms leveled against the UE (some of which i wholly agree with.) Putting a few Bibles on a table is not enough. They need to engage with the community and their critics if they want this to be more than a translation people only buy because it's on their class syllabus. Maybe they're okay with that.
@FrKevinDaugherty
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I have talked with the people at Friendship Press about it. The NRSV's lack of promotion has been a problem for a long time.
@Ldgreggbell
Жыл бұрын
As someone that reads a lot of different translations, I don't mind the NRSV as a translation, however I don't like the updated edition. That's my personal view though. It's still a pretty solid translation, I just don't like the alterations made in Leviticus, and don't see the need for those changes.
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
Have the references? Ill check them out. Im not planning on reading through the updated edition until 2024, so Ill get more opinionated after that Im sure! 😁
@Ldgreggbell
Жыл бұрын
@@joest.eggbenedictus1896I stand corrected, the main alterations are 1 Tim 1:10 and 1 Cor 6:9-10. That's the main translation difference that stood out.
@FrKevinDaugherty
Жыл бұрын
The marketing issue that the NRSV/ue experiences is something that many Roman Catholic Bibles face too, such as the NABRE and Revised New Jerusalem Bible. For some reason, publishers almost always favor conservative-evangelical Protestant versions. You also see this with the KJV, where most publishers remove the notes, Apocrypha, and preface because conservative-evangelicals largely dislike those parts of the KJV.
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, Fr., Thank you for that important point. I love the Jerusalem Bible and wish it had more than a few varieties of binding.
@kaw19atlas
Жыл бұрын
I've never actually seen a Protestant avoid a Bible with the apocrypha (at least, not if they're in an index or separated out; Greek Esther and the longer Daniel would probably freak them out), but the added price definitely makes a difference. Price competition is real in the KJV sphere, and most people don't even realize there is a KJV apocrypha. Most people shopping KJV are looking for a $20-25 Bible with all the flashy features, and that's something that's increasingly rare. In the case of the KJV and apocrypha, I'm also not sure if it got quite the same revisions over history as the Protestant canon KJV did, since the only KJV I have with apocrypha is a 1611. It's also probably the case that the people who still use the KJV never have had exposure to the apocrypha and they're going to be less open to changes (even if they're actually the more authentic tradition!) than other evangelicals. I think another thing is that the Protestant world is much more open to doing fifteen different editions of Bibles with different features, study notes, etc. in its larger translations. For instance, just in the ESV you can find something like 20 different study Bibles, plus large-print, wide-margin, journaling, etc. I'm not sure if the RSV2CE, for instance, ever got that many options, and a lot of Protestants with more disposable income will get 3-4 Bibles in their favorite translation. Some of it is also just the difficulty in getting Catholic and Orthodox Bibles outside specifically Catholic and Orthodox supply chains. Zondervan, Nelson, and Tyndale are probably the three large publishers that I know print non-Protestant Bibles, and I think Nelson mostly does it under an imprint. Oxford and Hendrickson will do ecumenical and/or Catholic Bibles too. I think Zondervan mostly does ecumenical/mainline Protestant Bibles, and Zondervan just runs pricey. Consumer habits also differ. Despite the fact that I know Catholics are constantly told to read their Bibles, I've very rarely had a Catholic come by looking for a reading Bible. Some of that's because we have a very good Catholic store in our neighborhood and we don't step on their turf, metaphorically speaking, since they'll supply Catholic stuff better than we can. Instead, they're usually looking for baptism/first communion/etc. Bibles, which is generally true of mainline Protestants as well.
@Brad-mc7ut
Жыл бұрын
I've tried getting decent editions of the NRSV since watching your channel. It is real hard to find much and much in high quality. I wanted an Oxford leather edition and now without paying an arm and leg for it they're hard to find.
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
I may be able to get you a used Oxford 9814 if you live in the US.
@kaw19atlas
Жыл бұрын
If you want decent quality without a high price, try Hendrickson. They print NRSV and NRSVue, and while they're not high-end you'll get more bang for your buck than the Zondervan editions.
@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Brother Joe🌹⭐🌹 A pointed yet polite rant. I feel your frustration.
@kevingordon1404
Жыл бұрын
Great points you made,I do think Zondervan make their money with NIV so don't bother much with NRSV,I love Nrsv and have used it for many years,I read our bibles lessons at church on Sundays so need 12 font at least,Cambridge bibles are going to release bibles in Nrsv ue so going to wait to see them,I think for years Cambridge produced best Nrsv bibles
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
Good to know about Cambridge! Ill look forward to that! Also hope for an Oxford ASB 6th edition.
@booklover3959
Жыл бұрын
@@joest.eggbenedictus1896 Yes Cambridge would be nice and I might buy that too. And I agree about Oxford ASB 6th Edition with NSRVue...not sure how long that would take though because I thought they released the 5th kinda recently. In the mean time I will make due with the study bible I mentioned above...the SBL Study Bible.
@jackwagon4313
6 ай бұрын
I have the entire premier collection.... i like all of them.
@MAMoreno
Жыл бұрын
This should be Zondervan's answer to the ESV. But I suppose HarperCollins is happy to let the NIV and NKJV be its "real" translations, with the NRSV, NASB, and NET being a bit of a side hustle. (You should check out how poorly they're promoting the NASB 2020, too.)
@ThriftStoreBibles
Жыл бұрын
I seem to recall you commented elsewhere that it would nice to have the Biblical Theology Study Bible in the NASB and I 100% agree. I haven't used the NASB much but give me a compelling study Bible and I'd try it out. I'm a bit surprised how little attention the NASB seems to be getting these days, it seems it was much more popular just a few years ago.
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right about the NASB. I hadn't given that though, but now that you mention it...
@MAMoreno
Жыл бұрын
@@ThriftStoreBibles The ESV has managed to snatch away much of that NASB readership, coming in just a few years after the release of the 1995 update. Considering that the NASB was already essentially the RSV for conservatives, the ESV has an advantage in that it's quite literally the RSV for conservatives. (And it retains the RSV's most obvious advantage over the NASB: a concern for literary value, not just literal value.) Regardless, the NASB and NRSV are both obvious alternatives for Zondervan to use against their Crossway usurper. Why they don't do so is anyone's guess. (Maybe they're both seen as competition to the NKJV? There really is an excess of modern revisions of Tyndale's Bible!)
@ThriftStoreBibles
Жыл бұрын
@@MAMoreno That makes sense. Crossway is a machine. I'm amazed at the variety of editions and versions of the ESV they pump out - you can have pretty much anything you want in that translation! The 1977 NASB was distinctive for its extreme literalness. I wonder if it's lost too much of what made it unique with the updates. There's a lot of competition out there! I continue to be amazed by the NKJV's staying power. No updates or changes in over 3 decades and still a top seller. But that's probably part of its appeal for some.
@scottmcmullen6782
Жыл бұрын
I'm just sticking with the 1971 RSV. I must be one of those "bitter clingers".
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
You won't get any complaints from me. The RSV is a great, beautiful translation!
@stevebaylot7924
Жыл бұрын
As someone with weak eyes, I was disappointed in the printed options of the NRSVue. I bought the premier edition and do not recommend spending that much money on it. A friend of mine bought a fifty-dollar edition (leathersoft of the same size as the premier) that has the same font size (10 pt - comfort print) as the premier edition. I wish they had an option with a larger page size with larger font size - even a thicker edition to accommodate larger text size. I did buy the kindle version which has made reading easier, but I do find Kindle harder to flip back and forth on.
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
The offerings of the NRSV and NRSVue are not great at the moment. Hopefully more versions will come out in the next few years.
@stevebaylot7924
Жыл бұрын
I hope so. Thanks for sharing your input.@@joest.eggbenedictus1896
@booklover3959
Жыл бұрын
Well Joe there is some good news ....first of all the Goat skin premier collection of the NRSVue is beautiful with very soft supple quality leather and at a cheap price for such bibles if you go to the usual good deal places. Now the updates are good in the sense that as far as the Old Testament they really are making use of the Dead Sea Scrolls manuscripts of the Bible more...but only if in accordance with good good scholarship. So this translation is more fearless about making use of advances in the study of ancient manuscripts as far as the OT. And an update of the excellent Harper Collins Study Bible is cheap too at 50 bucks (Now called the SBL Study Bible) for release this September and it has NSRVue translation as base. Now that catalogue does SUCK! 😁
@joest.eggbenedictus1896
Жыл бұрын
I hear you. I'm very well adept to the translation choices and the updating of the language. I don't have a problem with much of that. And the NRSV was in need of updating. Though I thought they didn't go far enough in some areas. The premiere collection is absolutely gorgeous. But it's not even highlighted and the catalog that I'm filming here. Why keep your MVP on the bench?
@hezekiahwallace2412
5 ай бұрын
I am going to confuse my sister with this Bible. She has never really heard of the deuterocanonical/apocrypha books.
@sdhute
5 ай бұрын
Thanks
@kevingordon1404
4 ай бұрын
Very disappointing from zondervan on nrsvue, for people with poor eyesight, not one giant print, 12 font or more
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