Thank you for adding chapter timestamps - this effort doesn’t go unnoticed and is much appreciated!
@annoyingasshole3324
Жыл бұрын
Calm down bro
@690Dragonx
Жыл бұрын
all editing for lying lol
@Whizzer
Жыл бұрын
If it can't match the 3070, what's the point? Truly a 4050 at best.
@dhaumya23gango75
Жыл бұрын
3070 ? Can't even match the 3060 ti
@GaminylGames
Жыл бұрын
Literally just frame generation
@KML3rd
Жыл бұрын
It is a 4050 it uses AD107, 107 gpus have always been 50/Ti Cards
@VitalyGG
Жыл бұрын
@@KML3rd 4nm is not 8 nm.
@Andytlp
Жыл бұрын
@@dhaumya23gango75 3060 ti? It can hardly match a base 3060. Sometimes it even loses to 3060 12gb. What the fk nvidia we're thinking?
@ardasevmis7583
Жыл бұрын
If you rebrand a 50 tier gpu as a 60 tier gpu, it is only natural that its predecessor almost outperforms it
@termitreter6545
Жыл бұрын
Tbh the funny thing is, if the GPU had VRAM/memory speeds like a 3060, 12GB memory, slightly faster cores/CUDA... it would be a decent 4060 card and maybe could blow AMD out of the water for 300 bucks. But instead they needlessly neutered the card and introduced the kind of bottlenecks you expect from low end GPUs...
@deviouslaw
Жыл бұрын
@@termitreter6545yes, if the GPU was a completely different GPU, it could be good.
@darkdraconis
Жыл бұрын
@@deviouslaw huh? It's literally just the memory that has been "nerfed" how is that a completely different card then?
@scarletspidernz
Жыл бұрын
@@darkdraconisCuda cores, VRAM and Bus 4060 downgrades: 12GB->8GB, 192bit->128bit 3584 -> 3072
@BenoHourglass
Жыл бұрын
@@termitreter6545 That's because the 4070 should have been the 4060.
@astreakaito5625
Жыл бұрын
16:30 the problem is that now Nvidia is using those features as an excuse to not actually deliver on the silicon level.
@jonpro9637
Жыл бұрын
bingo
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
Bullshit. They have nothing to "excuse"
@Playerz714
Жыл бұрын
Yup the age of actual raw performance is dead now with nvidia just banking on DLSS and RT
@tonyvelasquez863
Жыл бұрын
Exactly if the game doesn't support it you get poor fps if the developer of the game does a bad job and it looks bad with dlss3 and you have to disable it you get low fps
@jamescampbell8482
Жыл бұрын
And that's a huge problem for Ray tracing, which makes what they're doing absolutely ridiculous even per their own goals. The only reason the 20 series was any good at RT even as a beta feature was by Brute Force, plus some very special compute units that could speed RT calculations. If we were still gaming on tube displays or plasma displays that aren't nearly as picky about Native input resolution, I wouldn't even mind features like DLSS. They are relying on it though as an excuse to cut production costs when it doesn't even make sense technically.
@TechGamesAU
Жыл бұрын
Would’ve been a fantastic $200 RTX 4050
@roasthunter
Жыл бұрын
If in the UK was a £199 card might be a good prospect but at £299 or more, not so much.
@spoonherr
Жыл бұрын
@@roasthunter And €199,-
@antont4974
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, I really hope that 5060 is actually good, 'cause these "improvements" don't impress
@jonny4036
Жыл бұрын
Probably because any other gen it would of been an RTX xx50 card at $150. Nvidia overestimated the demand for mining and built cards around mining and lower power consumption at the cost of gaming performance gen over gen because they thought they would be able to get miners to upgrade on the back of energy savings and heat etc. They assumed wrong. Which you know what they say about people that make assumptions.
@mr.kenway4554
Жыл бұрын
Whats that? A GPU sold for 200 dollars new? Preposterous!
@NeonNoodleNexus
Жыл бұрын
@29:20 A caveat, Intel didn't discontinue the A770, they discontinued making the Limited Edition reference card. The AIB are still going to continue making the A770 AFAIK
@Akkbar21
Жыл бұрын
Corrext
@Deliveredmean42
Жыл бұрын
Whoops. Quiiite the mistep in getting that information for this video.
@Akkbar21
Жыл бұрын
@@Deliveredmean42 oh I dunno. Every makes mistakes. It’s hardly a big deal.
@joemarais7683
Жыл бұрын
@@Akkbar21weird that their mistakes always results in misinformation that either helps Nvidia or hurts their competition. Interesting how that can happen on a channel that’s constantly sponsored by Nvidia.
@bilditup1
Жыл бұрын
The only AIB making a 16GB 770 right now is Acer, using a hybrid fan model that isn’t actually as good as the more traditional design of the Intel card. I hope it lasts-and honestly, I’m not sure how available it is; Acer is a relatively new AIB and I haven’t seen this care outside of Newegg and Microcenter, and have no idea what the situation is outside the US-but the LE being discontinued is not great.
@subcon959
Жыл бұрын
Nvidia are desperate to make this a 1080p card because there is actually a situation where the 4060 is worse than the 3060 at 1440p.
@Lauren_C
Жыл бұрын
Games that hit fill rate will probably be quite a lot worse than the 12GB 3060.
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
Not the 8gb 3060.
@vindicator879
Жыл бұрын
8gb vs 12gb VRAM limitation
@richiegore1
Жыл бұрын
Are many people really running 1080p outside of competitive gamers and people who wouldn’t buy new gpus in the fist place?
@cnieuweboer
Жыл бұрын
So do or don't you agree the card is best suited for 1080p gaming. The negativity towards Nvidia suggests you disagree, but in the same sentense you seem to agree with Nvidia.
@ordohereticus3427
Жыл бұрын
This generation, the consoles themselves seem like a much better deal than PC hardware compared to the last two generations.
@NoahThomas29
Жыл бұрын
Nvidia and AMD have wrecked the GPU market with their greed. Makes the current gen console a killer deal.
@swiggy180
Жыл бұрын
it’s because pc companies just care about maximising profits now. pretty sure nvidia admitted they’d rather work on software features than make full on brute force hardware. i’m stuck with my £180 RX 580 i bought in 2019. literally no graphics card for £180 in 2023 comes close.
@paul1979uk2000
Жыл бұрын
Better off going for last gen gpu's, which are still potent gpu's that can beat this gen of consoles and are a lot cheaper to buy then this gen of gpu's, if you keep an eye out, you can get a real steal on the last gen when the sales are on, and performance is overall better for the price compared to this gen offering, especially at the mid range level.
@ordohereticus3427
Жыл бұрын
@@paul1979uk2000 In certain regards, sure, but this VRAM situation is a great example. Back with the PS3/360 one could even get a prior generation 7900 GTX and be well ahead of the consoles in terms of absolute memory bandwidth and rasterisation power. Now it’s this messy situation where one could even buy an upper mid-tier card from the prior generation and one would be lucky if VRAM isn’t a bottle neck. The current consoles can do the ray tracing and handle the textures while someone can spend more on the PC side and even get an upper mid range card, only to find themselves somewhat beat in some random department by a much cheaper home console. So back then, one could get a midrange GPU from the previous cycle and still be well ahead of the consoles on all fronts. This even remained true with the PS4/Xbox One era where even budget gaming laptops had better grunt just for a slightly higher cost. That’s just no longer possible. Part of it is likely down to consoles themselves using a very efficient PC style architecture now, but the other parts are down to what people have been mentioning about PC hardware manufacturers.
@dedecoVGMDJ
Жыл бұрын
@@swiggy180 ah yes i miss the 90s when companies didnt care about maximizing profits
@schneider1112
Жыл бұрын
What impresses me the most is the Intel A750 in many of the DX12, it's really strong.
@TheNerd
Жыл бұрын
Intel is probably going to be a strong contender in 2 or 3 generations. As long is Intel does not cancel the project like they do on a regular basis.
@sumansaha295
Жыл бұрын
@@TheNerd If intel manages to get ahead of TSMC with their backside power delivery tech, we might see a great reset of the GPU market.
@Thezuule1
Жыл бұрын
For a first showing Intel really did something here. It was a bit rocky at the beginning that seemed to be driver issues not hardware problems.
@Lauren_C
Жыл бұрын
@@Thezuule1 Definitely no surprise. DX12 and Vulkan games thrive on lots of raw compute, and ARC delivers on this front. The biggest knocks on Intel are its inconsistent performance in older games, and a heavy performance hit if your system lacks resizable BAR (so much so that Intel itself said to look elsewhere if this is the case). At least for myself, given I still run Haswell (4th gen), Arc wasn’t even a consideration, as much as I’d have liked to have a third competitor.
@Thezuule1
Жыл бұрын
@@Lauren_C even the inconsistent performance in older titles seems to be getting addressed through driver updates. I seem to remember one of their driver updates massively boosting DX9 performance in a lot of games. NVIDIA and AMD have had many years to get this stuff all dialed in. Intel will get there. I'm rooting for em anyway lol.
@iancurrie8844
Жыл бұрын
The 4060 is an xx50 class card. The 107 die is xx50 class, the 128bit bus is xx50 class. Normally an xx60 can beat last gen's xx70 but this one can't even touch last gen's xx60ti. That's because it's actually an xx50 class and Nvidia are lying to you!
@Dr.WhetFarts
Жыл бұрын
Funny you think Nvidia cares about 200-300 dollar segment. They are shipping enterprise GPUs for 40.000 dollars a pop right now.
@imo098765
Жыл бұрын
I dont really care about which die they use at whatever point in the stack. If the 107 die used in a 4070 but it gives a big enough performance increase for similar money I dont care But if a $500 card gives the same performance as the previous gen $500 card, then its a problem
@iancurrie8844
Жыл бұрын
@@imo098765 Yep so it's a problem then.
@Mrorlgloth
Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFarts the fact they still make $300-400 card mean they still cares ... , because Market share > Profits .
@loucipher7782
Ай бұрын
xx50 cards are 75w run with pcie power only lol from 1060 to 2060 nvidia already have a big bump in tdp and price so now 4060 they adjust it back
@Doc_Valparaiso
Жыл бұрын
Ada could've went down as one of the best architectures due to it's great efficiency. Had the 4060 been a 4050 and priced accordingly we'd be talking about a card that many times beats the 3060 all on a die about half the size (even with the onboard cache). ...Imagine if you will a parallel universe where Nvidia and AMD still cared about PC gaming. In that universe we'd be experiencing Polaris vs Pascal competition for your gaming money. ...I think we need to look into portal technology.
@lawrencelin272
Жыл бұрын
as someone who had the sell a 1080 Ti, these underwhelming new cards came in very clutch
@Lauren_C
3 ай бұрын
Will say, the 4060 makes a remarkably good laptop chip. Even during the time I fired up Cyberpunk without checking that the laptop is connected to power, I could hardly tell a performance hit. The only thing that stood out was “wow, the fans are quiet today!”
@MrGermanpiano
Жыл бұрын
Still totally happy with my 3060Ti.
@PotbellyPunch
Жыл бұрын
I am happy I chose to pick it in 2021 as well. I think it will serve me well at 1400p/1080p for the full PS5 generation. That was my goal when upgrading
@5abdcom
Жыл бұрын
The one card that was reasonable from nivida
@vasilije94
Жыл бұрын
3060ti was one of those GPUs that were insanely good for the price. To bad it released during mining craze and you couldnt buy it for msrp.
@Battleneter
Жыл бұрын
@@5abdcom The RTX 3080 was also a very good release, at least until prices started going through the roof due to mining shortly after.
@Dr.WhetFarts
Жыл бұрын
@@Battleneter 3080 was decent, high power usage and only 10gb vram was the reason it was somewhat cheap.
@smalldickbigdreams2386
7 ай бұрын
I've been from iGPU to RTX 4060. All I know is I don't regret the purchase. Also most of the games from today don't consume your 8GB VRAM. You may also optimize the settings so it is not really a problem. You can easily sell an RTX 4060 for $200-$250 in the next 2 years while an RTX 3060 12GB would look old by that time. Consider the benefits not what's the numbers on the specs because it has been proven that although it has lesser cuda cores and frame buffer it still outperforms 3060 in most cases. Also you may want to puke on AMD's saturation. NVIDIA Vibrance Settings gives the game a true look and generational leap. DLAA and DLSS in 1440p works like magic. Don't listen to nitwits trying to justify performance by spec numbers. It doesn't even matter in almost all of the games.
@Bugelhagen
Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's worth doing tests of this card on PCI-e 3.0? Or is it prohibited by the rules?
@vercetty00
Жыл бұрын
There have been several tests with more powerful card than this one, and in general the difference between PCIe 3.0 and 4.0 lied between 0 and 3%, so i'm guessing with the 4060 it should be even lower than that.
@miguelmunozbustos5319
Жыл бұрын
@@vercetty00 thats with pice 3x16 cards, the 4060 only uses a 4x8 connector so performance should be reduced in no small amount.
@vercetty00
Жыл бұрын
@@miguelmunozbustos5319 oh you're right I missed that part
@Wockes
Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting since PCI-3 3.0 with 8 lanes is only 7.877 GB/s. That's less than PCI 2.0 at 16x lanes 8 GB/s
@joemarais7683
Жыл бұрын
It’s probably not against the rules but Nvidia wouldn’t agree that it’s the best way to test gpus, so DF wouldn’t do it.
@ManuSaraswat
Жыл бұрын
I think 6700xt is the solution you are looking for here, raster performance and 12gb vram make it a lot better value at 300$ than 4060.
@niks660097
Жыл бұрын
it isn't 60 class though, like 7600, 6650xt or nvidia's xx60s, performance profile has regressed one class...
@Akkbar21
Жыл бұрын
Except this video is about the 4060. The AMD fan boys need to calm down. We get it. Nvidia isn’t pushing the middle low segment atm.
@GameslordXY
Жыл бұрын
@@Akkbar21 Oh? Digital Foundry used RX7600 and AMD card for a comparison + PlayStation 5 has RDNA2 based GPU(again AMD hardware) so why wouldn't AMD fan boys as you needlessly unprovoked called him use an 6700XT as an example?
@fafski1199
Жыл бұрын
It's RT performance isn't great though, plus you are stuck with FSR for upscaling, no frame gen (currently) and it's power effiency is poor. Like Rich said there's not a single card in the price range that has absolutely everything going for it. Each GPU has a fair share of pro's and cons, dependant on which way you look at it. There's just no knockout, "goto" card that offer's the very best of everything available.
@GraveUypo
Жыл бұрын
@@Akkbar21 who cares? they're all parts that go in the same system. if you lock yourself to one brand out of... idk, for some reason beyond my grasp, that's an you issue. it's pretty sad that you get offended by the mere mention of a part that isn't from your pet brand. @marky9082 has a valid point though.
@jamescampbell8482
Жыл бұрын
The fact is the 4060 has lower bandwidth with a smaller bus and you have to compare it with a 2070 to make it favorable. It's a 1080p card at Best in today's games. In one year this card is not going to be a good card for 1080p. Frame generation is hardly in any titles, negatively impacts your input lag, and it's only really good for lowering persistence. That's fine and all, but we need to stop framing this as if it's a value. It really isn't. It is neck-and-neck with the 3060 t.i. in raster, but that card had more RAM and a larger data bus. The card got beat by an arc A750 doing RT in control. Can't call it a value if it can't even keep up with a competitors first generation card in one of the titles that Nvidia developed wth their own proprietary RT technology. Control was the first "good" RT game and 4060 loses to an A750? Yikes. How does it do in the path traced Minecraft or Quaker RTX? Those two essential RT titles are memory Hogs, so I highly doubt 4060 runs them that well. If you're going to say that it's got value for RT but you only show it losing, and winning in one Nvidia cherry-picked title, it shows it's not a value product at all, especially if future games are what you're looking for.
@rage2387
Жыл бұрын
Tbh it can be fine for 1440p or 4k if you set dlss to quality or balanced which is a better trade off than upscaled 1080p and for me at least I don't really notice it unlike fsr, but you're right I don't think it will hold up long term.
@tablettablete186
Жыл бұрын
In these moments, it gets really hard to think that DF is not an NVIDIA shill... unfortunately Edit: I was a bit hash because of the beginning of the video (it honestly feels like they are excusing NVIDIA a bit, but fine)
@oxfordsparky
Жыл бұрын
@@tablettablete186 how dare a reviewer high lite a products advantages while also talking about its weaknesses, who TF do they think they are?
@oxfordsparky
Жыл бұрын
It's advertised by nVidia as a 1080p card...
@TRONiX404
Жыл бұрын
My Xbox 360 played games at 1080p. Imagine spending around 1500$ for 1080p PC.
@ojhuk
Жыл бұрын
The only time this GPU gets close to real value is if you play a very limited selection of RT titles and don't mind playing a game that looks faster than it feels.
@existentialselkath1264
Жыл бұрын
Besides, dlss 3 is a good bonus if you're already hitting high framerates but it's awful for low internal framerates, especially for raytracing. RT still relies heavily on temporal reconstruction so if the internal framerate is 30fps the lighting will update very slowly with awful ghosting, no matter how many interpolated frames you have.
@alexjensen007
Жыл бұрын
@@existentialselkath1264 Yep. If you go from 24 FPS to 50 FPS thx to fake frames - your input is still at 24 (maybe, 30 with Reflex). And this is actually worse. It's so fucking bad to play on M&K, when your display works faster then your M&K. And let's be real. CP77 is basically an Ngreedia office now.
@ViktorBiohazard
Жыл бұрын
"The more you pay, the less we give you" -Nvidia.
@RasoGOVI
Жыл бұрын
Well I bought for 1400 euros 3090ti with 24GB Vram. I do enjoy playing games on it.
@llewylnmoss
Жыл бұрын
@@RasoGOVI congrats. you got scammed
@RasoGOVI
Жыл бұрын
@@llewylnmoss no I did not. 40x series is a big fake scam.
@martinkorndorfer8803
Жыл бұрын
@@RasoGOVI Because it outperforms and outfeatures the 3090Ti on every level on a lower price point and power consumption. I see. The 3090Ti was an badly timed product. I owned a 3090 and was very happy with it for two years. The Ti was just way too late and way too expensive.
@RasoGOVI
Жыл бұрын
@@martinkorndorfer8803 no it is a very good graphics card with 24GB of VRAM. It is what I wanted. My 3090Ti is power consumption under 300W and gives me good framerates and plus I play everything max settings with 1440p240hz meaning locked to 240fps thanks to G-SYNC ULTIMATE processing. Even if I get lower fps I get smooth frame rates because I have a G-SYNC monitor that gives me HDR and steady 240fps motion clarity even if I play games at 60 fps or 90 fps. I play most of the time Counter-Strike games and I can do livestreams easily, I can do graphic design, I can play anything I want to game. It gives me Ray Tracing with very good frame rates. I plan skipping 40x GPU series and even 50x GPU series. My 3090Ti is one of the best top of the line graphics card that I ever had in my gaming lifestyle so for me it is not a scam. Maybe for someone else is and I respectfully don't care what others opinion is if they think I got scammed or not. At the end of the day I choose what to invest in and in what to avoid. Same thing applies for PlayStation 5 consoles as starting in fall 2019 I bought a PlayStation 4 Pro console and I still have it, I did not invest in PlayStation 5 console just to play PlayStation 4 games on a PS5. Other people just got scammed with that PS5 launch of 2020 and 2023 just in October made me go buy a PlayStation 5 console for Marvel's Spider-Man 2. Thank you very much for your feedback even if it may be a negative one.
@SquintyGears
Жыл бұрын
The ARC 770 16GB isn't discontinued? Only the intel branded one is. There are 16GB partner cards.
@b130610
Жыл бұрын
This gpu, and this generation in general is giving me RTX2000 vibes all around. There is little to no generational improvement in rasterization performance per dollar vs discount last gen cards, and the new features are more of a promise for the future rather than something that really improves my gaming experience today. There's no doubt that RT overdrive in cyberpunk is impressive, and the 4060 runs it decently, especially compared to AMD, but I've already played cyberpunk, and I'm not likely to put that many more hours into it other than a few for the DLC. Then I'm left wondering if this card will even be capable of running future path traced games with it's memory buffer already being right at the tipping point with modern releases, and the notable memory cost of both ray tracing, and frame generation. I just can't see ever choosing this over a much more powerful used card at the same price like a 3070, or a much cheaper card if you are just looking for something that can play modern games at playable frame rates at 1080p like a 6600.
@mstewart248
Жыл бұрын
With the 20 series they improved raytracing performance by 10x over the 10 series. The 40 series is 10% on RT performance with SER with DLSS 3 frame generation that doesn’t work with VSync.
@b130610
Жыл бұрын
@@mstewart248 Fair enough, but I'd argue that RT was basically vaporware at the launch of the 20 series, making the huge performance gains much less compelling. In comparison, the smaller but meaningful uplifts in the 40 series are actually useful for stuff like cyberpunk because you can get those scenarios with high detail bvh's and a bazillion rays running at playable framerates. That said, it all still feels like sort of a nothing burger because there are only a few games where ray tracing is actually a feature I'd turn on because it is still such a huge performance hit for the visual uplift, and the 30 series is still almost as good at ray tracing. DLSS3 is cool, but is also limited to just a couple dozen games, and seems pretty situational, though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious to try it in person. It's all just not very compelling in aggregate though when you consider the pitiful generational performance uplift, and the vram concerns across most of the lineup.
@GameslordXY
Жыл бұрын
@@b130610 They also introduced DLSS with RTX2000 cards. DLSS 1 was mostly bad as far as I know,but DLSS 2 was a spectacular improvement and very useful feature. It will save RTX2060 6GB from becoming obsolete for a few more years I think. Thanks to DLSS,the GTX1080 which I still consider a great card for 1080p and not terrible for 1440p is CRUSHED by RTX2060 6GB in compatible titles. Depending on a game,the DLSS 2 can improve performance from some 40 or so % minimum to over 200% in most extreme cases making it usable even for 4K. Perhaps that will change going forward,but there are many games on the market that people might want to play that they missed and 2060 is still great for many of its owners. Used would could be great for many IF they don't get a faulty product, that is.
@XBnPC
Жыл бұрын
You guys should've put 6700 XT in there. It's a monster in that price range
@Radek494
Жыл бұрын
That's why they didn't put it
@ShinyHelmet
Жыл бұрын
@@Radek494 👍
@GruffGames
Жыл бұрын
6700 or 6750 is the only worthwhile card in the price range.
@dante3311
Жыл бұрын
Rtx 4060 consumes 115watt & 6700xt 230watt.
@UKKNGaming
10 ай бұрын
@@Radek494yeah idk why he used the 7600 to try to compare it to the PS5 when it uses a 6700.
@DanCarreras
Жыл бұрын
It’s rare I comment on KZitem at all, but this “nuanced” review is somewhat disconcerting. 99% of all games that exist on pc do not support dlss, and do not support ray tracing. Therefore other reviewers concentrating on the core rasterisation performance have the better way of giving a consumer a better understanding of what value the card holds in 99% of all games. Picking only games that utilise the technology (and given that multiple high budget often wanted games like starfield won’t be supporting dlss) is a disservice to consumers, and means some that pay the stupid cost of this gpu off the back of this nuanced review will suffer terrible frame rates in those titles for such an expensive “midrange” gpu. Do better digital foundry. dlss is a cool technology, but context is key, and concentrating on just those titles and saying the gpu is good is not a great look for you.
@jonpro9637
Жыл бұрын
They literally were told by Nvidia to do this. Nvidia told Hardware Unboxed to do the same thing, and they told them to f off
@sumansaha295
Жыл бұрын
A750 goes hard on ray tracing. Good job intel. Can't wait for next gen.
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
Go ahead and buy intel gpu to back up your word. Comments on youtube are opposite of what steam survey is showing, Its really fascinating.
@morganwhaley9119
Жыл бұрын
If Nvidia had called it the RTX 4050 and sold it for $249 people would be comparing it to the RTX 3050 instead of the 3060 and it would look a lot better in comparison.
@MaxIronsThird
Жыл бұрын
$250 is still too expensive, that would be the OC'ed Ti version, that is actually close to the 3060Ti. This 4050 should cost $220 at most.
@morganwhaley9119
Жыл бұрын
@@MaxIronsThird I said $249 because that was the MSRP of RTX 3050. I’m saying that if this card was positioned as a successor to that card it would be viewed more favorably. I can’t say how much it *should* cost because I don’t know how much it costs to produce.
@MinosML
Жыл бұрын
This could be a pretty good 4050 or a decent 4050ti, but instead we got a mediocre 4060.
@MaxIronsThird
Жыл бұрын
@@MinosML This would be a mediocre 4050Ti, it's an awful 4060, it even loses to the 3060 in a lot of scenarios.
@morganwhaley9119
Жыл бұрын
@@MaxIronsThird but the 4060 is significantly better than the 3050. So by comparison it would look like a massive improvement if it were sold for the same price and called the 4050.
@doslover
Жыл бұрын
Definitely has the feel of a 4050. I wonder if they're setting up for the next generation where they'll return to the normal way of doing things, making the 5060 seem like a huge leap over this underwhelming 4060.
@Andytlp
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but WE will know. The average pleb will look at 4060 vs 5060 50-80% performance uplift and know no better.
@martin518441
7 ай бұрын
nah the 5060 will be at 3070 performance levels , 5050 at 3060 , 5070 at 3080 , 5090 will be slightly above 4090 at 2-3-4k$ but they will come with a little camera that you mount to your monitor so that they can have eye tracking and only render at full res (with dlss) at the spot of the screen you are looking at , this will be the 50 series gimmick. DLETSS - Deep Learning Eye Tracking Super Sampling, with added frame generation only for the 5090ti at 12k$
@joeykeilholz925
Жыл бұрын
12 GB VRAM at this price, minimum for me. It literally isn't expensive to buy the vram itself
@Dr.WhetFarts
Жыл бұрын
3060 Ti destroys 3060 even tho it only has 8GB VRAM. VRAM don't matter when GPU is weak anyway.
@HandleIsNewAndBad
Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFartsot until the 3060ti chokes eventually on 8gb VRAM. Such cases could happen playing older games at Ultra texture settings at 4k.
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFarts SO true lol, i was so disappointed in 3060 after 3060ti was so spectacularly powerful for 60 series gpu, it matched the 2080ti performance. 4060 is breath of fresh air with insane fg performance for 1080p and mind boggling efficiency. Very small gpu die only means it will last very long.
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
@@HandleIsNewAndBad But this is 1080p card, i dont get what do you want to prove with 4k? just because you can choke its vram doesnt mean it cant play every single game graciously in 1080p. It outperforms 6700xt in every single instance of rt + fg comparaison with half the power consumption and thas exactly how i and many people play games, not 4k.
@T209800
Жыл бұрын
@6:28 - the numbers for the RX 7600 don't add up. 158W (corrected from 168W, typo on my end, thank you @KingdaGaertner below) / 124fps ~= 1.27 joules per frame, or ~132% power consumption.
@jebusnazareth1869
Жыл бұрын
This is an NVIDIA ad not a review. Check GN, HW Unboxed or even Linus. These guys completely ignored 1440p, that should tell you all you need to know about their editorial independence.
@MoinWoll
Жыл бұрын
However, it's 158W / 124fps not 168W / 124fps, but 1.27 joules per frame is correct. Also 101W / 112 fps is 0.9 joules per frame and not 0.96 joules per frame.
@Stef3m
Жыл бұрын
@@jebusnazareth1869 Take your tin hat off, the numbers are wrong even for NVIDIA, they just messed up one table and this is a card specifically marketed for 1080p
@jebusnazareth1869
Жыл бұрын
@@Stef3m I meant the whole review is unreliable. Ever since they started doing exclusive early reviews for NVIDIA their editorial independence went up in smoke. Case in point, complete lack of 1440p results for a 350€ card in an age where APUs can run 1080p. Also no mention of the absolute nightmarish artifacting at 1080p with DLSS which has been shown by other outlets. It's just an Ad, the whole video is an advertisement for the 4060, not a review. 90% of their represented use cases are untenable and no one in their right mind would use them as such unless playing on a 7" screen... All of the fucking video is 1080p or less rendering res for a card of this price... A shameful display of selling out.
@joemarais7683
Жыл бұрын
@@Stef3mthere is no tin foil hat. They’re constantly sponsored by Nvidia. That makes their reviews entirely unreliable. There’s no argument or discussion, that’s a fact.
@bayernfan251
6 ай бұрын
I get the hate on 4060, i actually bought it for my first build and it's actually much better than i expected. It's getting much more hate than it deserves.
@1wayroad935
Жыл бұрын
I find it funny that most people bragging that new video cards let PC outperform current gen consoles don't even have those video cards in the first place.
@omarsabir1210
Жыл бұрын
Or that that these cards cost just as much as the console itself.
@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu
Жыл бұрын
@@omarsabir1210 most of the time they cost alot more than the price of a console even. Well the 4060's are the same price , but the 4090s are £1600
@michaelmyer8101
Жыл бұрын
What?Lol we have games running at 30fps on the consoles not even hitting 1080p , in order to do even 60fps the resolution drops to 720p 😂
@litti1047
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelmyer8101are you on ps3?
@FilthEffect
Жыл бұрын
I know most people are on 1070s talking about "master race" lol
@PyromancerRift
Жыл бұрын
It is only good with DLSS3 and an abusive amount of RT.... One game....
@inabstract
9 ай бұрын
"One cannot use DLSS 3 on RTX 30-series graphics cards as they do not include an Optical Flow Accelerator". In other words, the 4060 has something that puts the previous generation in a corner. Sure, everyone is on the frAMe generator hate train. " Fake frame", or " input lag", "not pure rasterization". Etc. Well my friends, few years from now, you will need a cooler the size of your bedroom, if you think rasterization performance should double in each generation. We are reaching the limit on what is viable. The 4060 consumes very low, performs better then the 3060, and doubles your frames with Deep learning AI. TO me sounds like pure jaw dropping technology. And the 4060 has it. For 299. If greater input lag is all everyone has to complain about, Nvidea reflex proves that its possible to solve this. AI will improve, and they will solve it, no doubt :) Got the 4060, loving it.. Less Vram, less cuda cores, less Memory interface. Sure. But also, better architecture, next gen processor and cuda cores, next gen everything basically, and performing better with "less". I would call that a win :)
@Bargate
7 ай бұрын
Yeah I agree a lot with this I think people are hating it because we are in the very early stages of this technology which will likely be the future. It's clear with how fucking huge the 4090 is and it taking up 400w to build anything more powerful will carry to get larger and even more power hungry it's already barely sustainable. We need to go in a different direction eventually with AI or cloud or something. While I might not like 4060 as a product and think it is pretty flawed because it's a bit underperforming | think it's important that Nvidia are actually trying to innovate. I really appreciate the low power draw when I live in an area with really high energy prices too. I've also gone way more to mobile gaming with the steam deck so I don't mind lower graphics so huge power max graphics don't really appeal to me as much either so that helps.
@inabstract
7 ай бұрын
@@Bargate I bought the 4060 + i7 11700f pre-build. It cost me 825euros, during blackfriday. Right now my setup is 1.067euros at amazon, so i got a very good discount deal. Plus a 27´240hz 0.5ms Monitor (overkill i know), also in discount was around 970euros package. Upgraded after 6years, from a GTX960m quad core 2gb laptop. Took me 5 months to save enough to buy it all, on my Minimum wage job. COnsumers like me cant afford much. And The 4060 delivered what i expected, im playing Red dead2, already finished Guardians of the galaxy (using ultra RT+DLSS2 Q with steady 70+fps avg), also amazed at assassins creed odyssey, beautiful graphics i couldnt enjoy before. It runs pratically every current game and most likely future ones, even if i need to reduce settings like Alan wake2, its still nice. It runs tekken 8, wich will addict me for the next 4 years+. Cyberpunk, etc. 4060 is for consumers like me, on a budget. Of course, clearly not for 3060 users, who still have a good card. Probably not the generation leap all hoped, but perfect for me. Have a good one!
@Bargate
7 ай бұрын
@@inabstract Oh yeah I have very similar story expect I built my own but yeah the leap from the $300/300 euro 4060 to the $600 4070/4070 super is a leap that most people can't afford or are unwilling to part with that much money just one PC part even if it's decent value. If you don't have a good used market like the US with cards like the 6700xt or 6800 cards or 3060ti/3070s you're kind of out of luck with AMD 7000 series being as expensive as Nvidia's offering and the same performance. In that situation I think the 4060 is a very decent buy. People will blindly just say boo the 4060 sucks though because they only see it from the youtuber united states perspective sadly. I'm very glad you're happy with your build that's a wholesome story with moving from a 960m to a 4060 pc build and saving up good shit to hear!
@inabstract
7 ай бұрын
@@Bargate Well, the advantage of finally investing on a Desktop, is that there is room to upgrade. Who knows...maybe i will get the 4070 super, 3 years from now, when its ...300euros.. i hope? eheh. Seems im constantly 3+ years behind everyone else anyway. (Only now starting games like readDead2 eheh.) Didnt consider such a possibility until just now actually. I feel ive been under a rock sometimes, must be old age creeping in lol (41 now). Got a 650w power supply, motherboard Gigabyte H510M H V2, i guess it should handle a 4070 super later down the line? WHo knows, for now, im good eheh. Thanks for the chat friend, have a good one!
@jonpro9637
Жыл бұрын
DLSS is overhyped and comes with serious latency drawbacks. If enough VRAM is present then Raytracing is fully achievable. The only option is AMD, both for lower end with the prior 6000 series and the higher end with the 7900xt. You get 20GB of VRAM for less than $800
@lunator100hd
Жыл бұрын
Not where i live.
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
This is very biased and unpopular opinion. 7000 series is completely devoid of improvement over 6000 so its really just a revision. FG is so good but you have to try it, not talk about something that you dont know. It doesnt increase latency, it doesnt lower it from uping the fps traditional way. This is a huge missconception that amd fanboys cant wrap their head around. Your latency is the same how it was without fg but fps is higher. With fg every nvidia 40 card can 2x the perf/watt of any 7000 series card. Another thing is RT which you can forget on AMD.
@katzenjunge5869
Жыл бұрын
A RTX 4060 releasing in 2023 cant even match a PS5 from 2020. This should be a 200 $ card. Overpriced so hard its not even funny anymore. Also how do you go backwards when it comes to VRAM? A 4060 should at least have 12 GB too. The 8 GB makes it even more useless. If they don't rebrand it to a 4050 and cut the price hard I really hope nobody buys this. This is not ok.
@Radek494
Жыл бұрын
4050 is coming in a month or two so they can't rebrand it, not that they would anyway. 96 bit 6 gb VRAM- yes really
@AlexConnor_
Жыл бұрын
So, good card for 1080p RT Cyberpunk. And very underwhelming everywhere else, even in some RT titles. Not just getting beaten by the 7600 but also in many cases by the older 6600XT/6650XT which are available new for $70-$80 less. And apart from Cyberpunk which is more or less Nvidia's tech demo even that advantage may not be worthwhile going forwards, other titles with RT/Unreal 5 etc seem to be leaning towards lighting solutions that run well on AMD gpus. Which makes a ton of sense since consoles are the biggest market and both Playstation + Xbox are AMD hardware.
@SlimVGM1988
Жыл бұрын
Talk about looking at the glass half full. Comparing the card to 20 series and 10 series cards is laughable. Also DLSS3 performance shouldn´t even be part of the discussion considering it´s downsides.
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
Cope.
@5abdcom
Жыл бұрын
Imagine turn on fg when you're at upscale 1080p and 40fps performance that is miserable
@beezle1976
Жыл бұрын
Not laughable at all. The majority of people don't upgrade every generation, so these sorts of comparisons are very useful to most. Moreso than just comparing to last gen.
@BestGameLoadouts
9 ай бұрын
why buy a card to not use the features. Like saying no point adding RTX performance in the tests between the 10 and 20 series GPU’s…
@vncube1
Жыл бұрын
From all the reviews I've seen of this card, several RX 6700(XT) and 3060Ti owners have probably passed out from laughter.
@necrotic256
Жыл бұрын
I have 6600xt and it made me think that i'll be stuck with 8gb until 2025 in my price range, unless i am willing to go second hand
@TheDravic
Жыл бұрын
If you at any point entertained an idea of "upgrading" from a last generation higher tier card to a next generation lower tier card, your disappointment is weird because that's almost never a good idea. That's just how I read what you said, maybe you meant something else.
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
Nobody upgrades from generation to the next generation directly at the low end, and ESPECIALLY not to an even lower end model.
@Dr.WhetFarts
Жыл бұрын
6700XT launched at 479 dollars, this card is 299 dollars, no comparison and why would you upgrade from a mid-end card to a lower mid-end card gen to gen anyway.
@vncube1
Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFarts bruh are you lost? It's not 2019 anymore. Launch prices are not real and do you think the 6700XT just *stayed* at 479 dollars for two years?! It's only 30 dollars more on Newegg with more performance and VRAM. The vanilla 6700 undercuts the 4060 too.
@mzza
Жыл бұрын
3060ti and 6700 XT cost only 10€ more than 4060 in EU.
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
So that means its easy choice - 4060 it beats both 3060ti and 6700xt with rt + fg in every single game on half the power. They are just barely faster in raster while tdp is 2x and lack of dlss3 is a deal braker.
@LucidStrike
Жыл бұрын
In this price range, the RX 6700 Series wins overall. 🤷🏿♂️
@theprophet2444
Жыл бұрын
DLSS 3 is only viable if your card can push 60FPS already and you're playing on a 120Hz+ Monitor or TV. Everything bellow is not really a good gameplay experience due to added input lag to an already low base frame rate bellow 60fps.
@Akkbar21
Жыл бұрын
Actually 30fps native raster perf is the minimum for using dlss3 to achieve 60hz, as the added input lag introduced by frame gen doesn’t matter in games that aren’t competitive type games (like most single player games for example). I doubt outlets like HWUB and GN are making that up
@termitreter6545
Жыл бұрын
Yeh, DLSS3 ends up kinda self-defeating: The moments when you want high framerate, like in fast paced action games, the visual and lag issues kinda take away a big reason for why you wanted the FPS in the first place. It becomes more like a 'better' motoin blur option. It becomes only somewhat interesting when you go 60 to 120fps, and probably shines when you go 120 to 240, which makes the use-case even more limited. Especially when its used to argue in favor of lower end GPUs like the 4060. Also seems like a lot of games seem to have a poor DLSS3 implementation. Much harder to get right than DLSS2 or FSR2 apparently.
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
Nope, ypu have no idea what you're talking about. Digital Foundry themselves have disproved this. You're just repeating received wisdom you've seen on social media.
@Akkbar21
Жыл бұрын
@@termitreter6545 what are your claims based on? First hand experience?
@Torrance92
11 ай бұрын
well coming from a 1050 ti im happy with the 4060 since it was cheaper where im from
@SouthFacedWindows
Жыл бұрын
DF typical shilling for NVidia again! While everyone poo pooing this card!
@GlaciaGalaxy
6 ай бұрын
Tbh i bought the 4060 recently. I got a pc in a trade and i didnt like the 3050 in it. I was gonna replace it with a 3060 with the more vram but decided to just do 4060 as i dont game at more then 1080 and dont need anymore then 60 fps.
@teedotfoster
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for consistently uploading videos at 1440 & 2160. So many channels don’t offer the options
@julesbower762
10 ай бұрын
The 4060 is about the watts, the heat... You all just talk past it, like that does not matter. This is the card, that will be bought in bulk, and put into pre built gaming PCs. PCs that don't get too hot, and are better than good enough.
@dante3311
Жыл бұрын
No one mentions the power consumption. Rtx 4060 shines in lower tdp. We need more gpu with lower power requirement ❤️
@mindrover777
8 ай бұрын
That's why the lower performance comparatively
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
@@mindrover777 Bad argument, 4060 is not power restricted, it has low cuda count on cutting edge node so it means its very low power. Performance also stems from cuda count.
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
People on youtube are delusional, you cant explain it to them. I just tell them if you dont like it you dont have to buy it. 3060 was really bad gpu not 4060, it has insanely high tdp for x60 class and very little perf increase compared to 2060 and vram uplift is just useless on gpu so weak. 1060,2060 and now 4060 are generation defining cards, and its shown in steam survey. Youll see 4060 take a lead very soon.
@mindrover777
2 ай бұрын
@@filippetrovic845 more performance means more tdp requirement. Cuda count has nothing to do with it. That's nvidi*s alternative to physx which itself was a sc**
@Rafael36o
Жыл бұрын
The real gpu disguised as higher tier cards: 4090 == 4090 ( Only real card ) 4080ti == Not released 4080 == Not released 4070ti == Not released 4070 == Current 4080 4060ti == Current 4070 ti 4060 == Current 4070 4050ti == Current 4060ti 4050 == Current 4060 All marketing and names are smoke and mirrors. All this data is according to gpu die size and their die names.
@chiefenumclaw7960
Жыл бұрын
Just buy an AMD GPU or a PS5. The fact that the PS5 beats the 4060 is just sad for team green. Nvidia got their AI money can couldn't care less about PC gamers.
@fenbops
Жыл бұрын
This video has failed if it shows the ps5 beating a 4060 because it doesn’t in reality.
@raresmacovei8382
Жыл бұрын
Digital Foundry: will use mods to boost DLSS2 quality and RT perfomance to paint Nvidia GPUs in a better light. Also Digital Foundry: never using FSR2 mods or RT mods to boost AMD GPUs when doing a review. Or comparing Nvidia GPUs vs AMD GPUs with real life prices, only comparing them based on magical, irrelevant MSRP. RTX 4060's competitor isn't RX 7600. It's RX 6700 XT. In real life prices.
@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd
Жыл бұрын
Digital Fraudry at it once again😂 21:38 PS5 version runs at 80-100FPS in performance RT. Guys if you gonna buy a PC GPU don't buy the 4060😂 get something' better or buy the PS5
@aymandonia9710
Жыл бұрын
What is the problem of NVIDIA introducing a new generation with less RAM than an old generation 🤦
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
The 3060 has an 8gb model.
@Playerz714
Жыл бұрын
Because you are getting less than previous generations for more money lol
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
@@Playerz714the 4060 is cheaper than any of the 3060s were at launch. Stop lying.
@aymandonia9710
Жыл бұрын
@@Wobbothe3rd no 12 gb
@aymandonia9710
Жыл бұрын
@@Wobbothe3rd We are not talking about money we are talking about a new generation
@jonpro9637
Жыл бұрын
Digital Foundry is useless for hardware reviews. This whole review is designed to soften the blow of a garbage product for the money from nvidia. Edit. This is actually worse than that. They are gaslighting you back into Nvidias hands by lowering the real world value of increased VRAM availability which you have to go to AMD for. AMD's cards are fully capable of Raytacing due solely to the VRAM availability. You want to know why they focused so much on Cyberpunk? Because Nvidia literally told them to lmao. Hardware Unboxed channel here on youtube revealed that today.
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
90% of PC Gamers choose Nvidia for a reason. DF are just reporting REALITY. Hardware Umboxed are AMD shill liars, they've been caught multiple times rigging results to mislead their viewers (like with DDR5)
@nnnnoob
Жыл бұрын
Desperate attempt to make the card look like it has value. No 8GB GPU in 2023 has any value if priced over $200. Period.
@documentthedrama8279
Жыл бұрын
AMD unable to deliver a similar card with 12GB? The 6700 XT is currently hovering around 300 would have been a better comparison. the 6700 XT is the low end king right now
@mllecamill3
Жыл бұрын
They will never do that. They are paid by nvidia.
@Dr.WhetFarts
Жыл бұрын
9 out of 10 won't even consider buying an AMD GPU. This is AMDs big problem. You act like Radeon 7600 was a good launch. It was terrible as well. Neither Nvidia or AMD cares about low end GPUs this gen.
@matthewsalmon8194
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving this card a fair review - much better than the attention seeking clickbaiters who just focus on running rasterization benchmarks to make the card look as bad as possible with some "Junk" or "trash" picture on their clickbait video title. Its actually an ok card for £300..not amazing but ok.
@joemarais7683
Жыл бұрын
It’s a $200 50 class card priced at $300. Take your green glasses off.
@OrbitalSP2
Жыл бұрын
Nvidia is proud of you. Good boy!
@matthewsalmon8194
Жыл бұрын
@@joemarais7683 Its 60% more powerful than a 3050..whereas its 20% more powerful than a 3060..so its a 60 class card. Am not defending it - these 4000 series cards should have better spec memory bus and more VRAM. That doesnt make it "junk" or "hot trash" tho - just an average release. These are still good cards - they are very energy efficient and allow for RT features at 1080p with good framerates which is a first for the pricepoint. I wont be buying one but its a mid release and I agree with Rich's review.
@Ragssssss
5 ай бұрын
@@matthewsalmon8194 I don't know why people are mad honestly, it's not amazing but ok card for 300$ price tag for 1080p exclusively. If I had 1080p screen, I'd get this card with no second thoughts.
@someawesome7984
Жыл бұрын
RT Path Tracing in 640p with upscale to 1080p in 45fps, are you serious, DF? Who on the Earth would play the game with this settings? Exept nvidia marketing team, of course. RT and Framegeneration just not a thing on cards with so small rasterize perfomance like 4060. You get or blurry mess, or laggysh unresponsive expierence (or both in "future" games). And if you're hinting that it's time to upgrade from 1060, you need to test 4060 on pci-e3 without resizable bar (bcs PC with GTX1060 not so fresh too). Ah, and years are running, but we still have 1,5 games to test RT, which would be in thouthands of future games, that just waiting around the corner... With such a mental tricks in video you going to mislead your audience.
@Phenom98
Жыл бұрын
I play Cyberpunk with quality DLSS3 w frame gen and I'm getting over 70fps with path tracing on most of the time on my 4060ti, which I undervolted and now sips 110W. It's not all bad.
@Ragssssss
5 ай бұрын
BTW it's 720p with quality dlss at 1080p. PT is like a tech demo now and is super intensive even for high end cards, for instance my 4090 gets wrecked without DLSS or FG. So, adding all that up it very much makes sense that 4060 could yeild those numbers at 720p uspcaled to 1080p with PT enabled.
@TheIndulgers
Жыл бұрын
I’ll never understand the argument for ray tracing for such slow cards. Why force yourself to play with such diminished fps, settings, and resolution for a feature that barely makes any difference? Sure, with a 4090 go for it. Anything less is just wasted performance and/or visuals.
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
Its not. I have 4060 laptop with 144hz ips panel, and whenever i play new game i first lock fps to 72fps and then i up video settings until gpu utilization is around 90%, most often it leads me to easily having extra room for rt. I like fg and dlss quality and i use them in every game that supports it but in that case fps in unlocked and i target 100fps instead. cp77 i play with rt reflections on and rest off, on ultra with dlss quality + fg and im averaging 105fps. The reason is that i dont see much difference in rt ultra and would rather have very high fps.
@fcukugimmeausername
Жыл бұрын
128-bit...
@romankozlovskiy7899
9 ай бұрын
Worst part is that frame gen requires at least additional 1GB vram
@UNr34
Жыл бұрын
With Plague Tale underperforming vs the PS5, I suspect it's vram issues once again.
@Dr.WhetFarts
Жыл бұрын
PS5 have 16GB shared RAM for entire system + graphics, more like a bad console port if there's any issues. PS5 barely use 6GB for graphics alone.
@Shieftain
Жыл бұрын
Plague Tale Requiem is surprisingly light on VRAM given how good it looks. The issues likely lie elsewhere.
@paulbrooks4395
Жыл бұрын
I must caveat for people: if you are sensitive to latency at all DLSS 3 is not for you. The latency is 60-80 ms on a 4090. It throws all the advantages of high refresh rate and low input latency out the window. It’s extremely noticeable when switching games and in tense situations. I have to speak out against it. Nvidia is blowing smoke and trying to take your money for a crappy “feature”.
@Shieftain
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was hoping he'd have done some input latency testing with this card. I get that at high frame rates (i.e. 100-ish FPS prior to DLSS3 being applied) combined with a low latency display the input lag won't be so bad, but when you've got a game running in between 30 and 40FPS before the DLSS3 step, the input lag just might be palpable enough to make the experience feel "off" especially if playing with a mouse and keyboard.
@joemarais7683
Жыл бұрын
@@Shieftainthey would never do latency tests unless the games were curated by Nvidia to specifically yield good results. Can’t upset their sponsors
@Shieftain
Жыл бұрын
@@joemarais7683 Indeed. They did it for the 4090 launch I believe. But for the 4060 where latency would most likely be higher they conveniently left it out. Interesting, isn't it?
@Im_Behind_You
Жыл бұрын
You know it's bad when even John Lineman is struggling to lick boot
@Kallan007
Жыл бұрын
When will the reviewers learn that MOST all games have no DLSS or FSR included? All they do is push the same 4 or 5 games over and over again. Nvidia must be paying well.
@ha-nocri9923
Жыл бұрын
He didn't want to show us 1440p results because they are abismal, altho many ppl will use this card with now cheap 1440p displays
@Destro_TJ
Жыл бұрын
I think rx 6700 XT is much better (performance) if we look on same price point or some used rx 6800 or used rtx 3070 for same price only positive is low power consumption
@Superdazzu2
Жыл бұрын
didn't really understand why you talked about the 2070 super at the start and then completely forgot it in benchmarks lol, it could've been useful to compare raster performance
@ajdaniel8128
Жыл бұрын
It's an irrelevant card now. Very less VRAM and unable to handle new games like Diablo 4 at Extreme settings
@megamanx1291
Жыл бұрын
@@ajdaniel8128 Irrelevant? Honestly that card will last atleast half a decade more at medium settings
@ajdaniel8128
Жыл бұрын
@@megamanx1291 Rather play on a PS5 Digital Edition that just costs 399 dollars
@crescentmoon256
Жыл бұрын
@@ajdaniel8128can't pirate games on ps5
@nou4605
Жыл бұрын
@@ajdaniel8128 Enjoy your shitty 30 fps and shit RT performance with no ability buy physical games to mitigate high game prices.
@greenbow7888
Жыл бұрын
They are probably trying to funnel gamers into budgeting more for their GPU. In the same way 70 and 80 class card buyers have to think about the 4090 for enough vRAM. They are making the budget cards not worth it, to funnel folks to think about the 70 and 80 class. More profit for them. Meanwhile the 70 and 80 class will be running out of vRAM now, and more so imminently. Planned obsolescence. I didn't think they would be greedy enough to baulk the 60 class, where most of the buying takes place. It seems like they want to take away the gains that Ampere made. Ampere was like a two generational increase in performance. Looks like are taking that back.
@jorismak
Жыл бұрын
DF, please.. NEVER NEVER show DLSS3 framerates without showing the non-DLSS3 (well, framegen) rates as well. If the base (DLSS2) framerate is in the 30s / 40s, enabling framegen is useless and you still get a bad experience. You're better of enabling a good motion blur implementation :). But PLEASE PLEASE mention the _relative_ latency increase. If framegen adds a few percent of latency while doing >90fps, it's OK. If it adds a few percent of latency while the non-framegen is already a bad experience to play, it will only get worse! It means the game feels like a SUB-30fps game, and is horrible to play.
@TheDravic
Жыл бұрын
This isn't the first video about DLSS3 and it's just repeating yourself ad nauseam to keep saying the same thing every time DLSS3 is brought up. Also, you're crazy to claim motion blur comes even remotely close to Frame Generation.
@jorismak
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDravic it's not too different. But reviews _should_ keep highlighting that a game running at 50fps _with framegen on_ is useless. And they are not doing that anymore. It's even shown here as an option in some parts of the video (while in other parts 'dlss3 seems to have no effect' unless he brings the base game to 60fps+). I love DF, but specially Rich seems more concerned with how the frames look on the screen. While what matters - and the reason WHY we want framerate increases - is for the feedback loop, i.e. latency.
@mariuspuiu9555
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDravic he is correct about the latency thing. the lower the base FPS is the worse it feels. it's why many recommend DLSS3 for games that already have decent FPS.
@TheDravic
Жыл бұрын
@@mariuspuiu9555 That's correct, but if we go down that route AMD will get in trouble in any game that is heavily GPU bottlenecked. Every DLSS3 game has Reflex. If we start comparing the absolute system latency under heavily GPU bound scenarios, I'm sure we can find plenty of games where AMD will have both lower framerate and higher latency than equivalent Nvidia card with DLSS3. There's a reason why AMD didn't say nothing about Nvidia's latency or made fun of Frame Generation in that way. They don't want to go down that path and open the can of worms.
@mariuspuiu9555
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDravic reflex does not help as much as you think and not every title can get a good boost from it. and even with reflex, it's still higher input lag than if you ran without DLSS3 frame gen. the main takeaway is that DLSS3 needs reflex and that only alleviates somewhat the problem, it doesn't solve anything.
@peterscott2662
Жыл бұрын
I think DF leans much too heavily on Frame Generation. It really feels like shilling when they treat FG as real FPS.
@rocstarang5747
Жыл бұрын
My argument has always been if it was so good Nvidia wouldn't tell us it was running at all. Like, "look how much faster our cards are in Cyberpunk"... I'm not a fan of frame Gen or upscaling. Lazy devs will use it as a crutch instead of optimizing.
@filippetrovic845
2 ай бұрын
@@rocstarang5747 It is so good that i recommend you never try it and be miserable playing newst gamese like alan wake 2 on native.I could never imagine in the past that if there was option for magic fps people wouldnt go crazy for ir. But it is just it. It doesnt improve latency but improves fps by alot, and thats huge.
@5abdcom
Жыл бұрын
You want best card for 300 : get 6700xt You want a better Nvidia card :get 3060 ti for 330 or use 3070 or higher You want a cheaper nivida card with almost same performance: Get 3060 12gb That 8gb vram destroy even this card situational features " fg and dlss " those work better with 4k or 2k and high frame rate Nivida are wasting our time why have a new gen if it going to have the same performance for dollar Keep pumping the 30s for less cost and prise same for amd
@solidstrongbad
Жыл бұрын
4060ti review: This card is trash in all ways possible 4060(a card that is demonstrably worse than the 4060ti in all ways possible even when factoring in the price bracket differences): This card is literally jesus Aren't you supposed to disclose when your making a paid advertisement on this platform?
@piotrpp5478
Жыл бұрын
I have a PC but prefer playing on PS5 9 out of 10 times, regardless of what permormance chart says... The reasons are simple: - reliability (no pc issues) - couch>gaming chair - tv>monitor - simplicity (settings optimized out of the box)
@mikem2253
Жыл бұрын
Same here. I have a 7900xt PC and still main my PS5. Both are tied to a LG C1. Something about turning on a console and getting them sweet trophies. Games must be 60fps+ otherwise its straight to PC.
@adi6293
Жыл бұрын
Why are we calling Frame Generated frames real frames when they are not? That input lag must be awful at apparent 60fps when in reality you playing at 40fps.....
@MaxIronsThird
Жыл бұрын
This is a 4050 non-Ti and should cost $220. An OC'ed version of it that almost matches the 3060Ti could sell for $250 and be called an RTX4050Ti.
@flintfrommother3gaming
Жыл бұрын
NVidcucks can't accept that
@nykraftlemagnifique
8 ай бұрын
I can play Plague requiem in 1080p60 native with mix of medium/high/ultra option with a rx6600xt so with the 4060, it's possible to have better performance than the poor PS5 !
@Rafa-Silva-Alt
Жыл бұрын
Series xx50 GPU specs, with Series xx60 name and xx70 pricing in a nutshell.
@ionseven
Жыл бұрын
Please stop buying GPUs for software as a replacement for raw hardware performance. DLSS is great when it's supported, but just like SLI, a disappointment when it isn't. Software features should be a bonus on top of raw horsepower. Not a replacement.
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
Such a stupid comment. People buy GPUs for features.
@zinoelgato
Жыл бұрын
I can barely consider myself a PC gamer and when I play PC it’s all indies and still I love these videos 😺
@christianwilliam1167
Жыл бұрын
you're playing the right way, I still play Deus Ex and Simcity 4
@nostrace
Жыл бұрын
Same. Honestly, those cards seem to be an issue for AAA gaming. Outside of that I'm pretty sure they're all fine
@gipmi1667
Жыл бұрын
Put Dlss a side, the 4060 pure performance is a shame compare to 3060 and ps5
@nunosanches3693
Жыл бұрын
Stop calling rtx 4060 budget gpu, 300 euros is a lot of money. And no one on a "budget" can buy it.
@TimLongson
Жыл бұрын
RTX4060 or Ti aren't even "mid-range" with its 8GB VRAM so limiting: 1080p even at ultra settings is NOT midrange in 2023! There are plenty of people who're playing at 4K ULTRA now (high end), so "mid-range" now would be 1440p ULTRA settings with playable FPS and no glitches! Logically this means that basic entry level (budget) gaming in 2023 STARTS at 1080p ULTRA settings with smooth FPS and zero glitches - a 8GB VRAM graphics card CANNOT manage that even with all CURRENT games, with upcoming games planning on needing even more VRAM! An 8GB VRAM GPU in 2023 is a 720p card, which is a resolution and performance which was long in the tooth a decade ago and should be dead and buried before now! We need to move on and allow games companies to put "16GB VRAM" on the GPU for MINIMUM required specs to play the game without NVidia and AMD shortsightedly and greedily holding them back! Doubling VRAM from 8GB to 16GB only costs $20 more but makes a MASSIVE difference! Another point: low VRAM is making MUCH bigger game installations (150GB not unusual) because it has to include crappy low resolution textures, as well as photorealistic textures for those with enough VRAM, to allow MIPMAPPING, which increases used drive space by a huge 33%! Aim for a GPU with 16GB VRAM or more, even if that means switching to AMD as high VRAM graphics makes a MUCH bigger difference than fake extra filler frames that cause latency by NVidia! There are plenty of even current games that require MORE than 8GB VRAM for even MEDIUM settings with Ray tracing, like: Resident Evil 4, Hogwarts Legacy, The Callisto Protocol, A Plague Tale Requiem, Etc They should simply stop making new GPUs with less than 16GB VRAM. Buying a GPU with less than 16GB VRAM in 2023 is buying a short shelf life, already showing obsolescence in some recent triple A games, graphics card!
@Thezuule1
Жыл бұрын
Last I checked like 65% of PC gamers were using a 1080p monitor. Yes, plenty of people (35%) are playing at 2k or 4k but the average PC gamer is still on a 1080p display. It's probably around 25% playing at 1440p and 10% on 2160p displays. The vast bulk is still 1080p though and I guess that's the definition of the middle.
@Skagzi1la
Жыл бұрын
I agree with most of this, yup.. 1080p is low end now, what does that mean for the 720p switch though? I haven't looked at the steam hardware install list in a few years, but I'd imagine a large amount probably aren't going past 1080p unfortunately.
@Dano_116
Жыл бұрын
An 8GB GPU in 2023 isn’t a 720p card what are you talking about
@TimLongson
Жыл бұрын
@@Dano_116 if a GPU can't even master 1080p ultra, and there are plenty of current games 8GB VRAM GPUs can't run smoothly (generated gimmick filler frames only artificially raise FPS numbers) at that without glitching, then they can only master 720p ultra. QED they are 720p graphics cards when game technology has advanced and left them behind unable to keep up with insufficient VRAM.
@Dano_116
Жыл бұрын
@@TimLongson The 3060ti is an 8GB GPU, and does just fine at 1440p, so your 720p claim for all 8GB cards is completely baseless.
@mna.author
Жыл бұрын
How are they selling the "next-gen" gpu with less Memory Bandwidth and Interface and CUDA Cores?
@Abdullah______
Жыл бұрын
I was surprised I thought okay it's 23 percent faster it most be better 😂
@Stef3m
Жыл бұрын
Because it's faster anyway
@mna.author
Жыл бұрын
@@Stef3m by 20% if Ray Tracing was enabled? Most gamers dont even know what ray tracing even means like cmon
@mna.author
Жыл бұрын
@@Abdullah______ this should be RTX 3060 Super not 4060
@minecraftmike5193
Жыл бұрын
@Digital Foundry - I would love to see a video where you just go through all the techniques for getting a stable FPS/frametimes at 30/60 FPS. It would be cool to see you go through a whole suite of newer games and just optimize them (in great detail) on a range of GPU's. Love your content!
@xpodx
8 ай бұрын
30 fps? That's unplayable. 60 is questionable.
@oldred9122
Жыл бұрын
The Intel A750 is looking pretty impressive, but I usually play older games, and my setup doesn't have resizeable bar...
@aftereight9143
Жыл бұрын
A brand new $299 xx60 class card with worse raster performance than a 3 year old console. This is actually pathetic and embarrassing. Imagine a world where the GTX 1060 performs worse than a PS4 - this is equivalent to that. This thing should have been called 4050 Ti and priced at $199
@LCJammer
Жыл бұрын
no just a 4050. the 4070 is the true 4060 card and shoud've retailed for $300-350.
@Svante
Жыл бұрын
You know what would be impressive? If GPU:s didn't need to use frame gen and upscaling trickery, at all, to get great performance. It just feels like they are cheating now.
@MrDante3212
Жыл бұрын
If they don't cheat they would need to stop releasing GPUs every two year and waiting for the technology to give a huge leap of performance between generations, but they are companies and they love money.
@VectorGaming4080
Жыл бұрын
What would be even better is if the pure rasterized performance was as good as we expect while also including upscaling and frame generation. DLSS is amazing, there’s no doubt about that, but we just don’t want it making up for where a card is lacking. I do want it to exist though, and it is amazing technology.
@steel5897
Жыл бұрын
@@MrDante3212 you know you can just not buy it, right? You don't have to buy anything. Keep your current GPU. In fact, DLSS helps you keep your current GPU for longer. GPU getting old, not performing as well as before? Drop down the DLSS preset a notch, there's your "upgrade". If it wasn't for VRAM issues on crappy PS5 ports, I'd confidently say I'll keep my 3060 Ti for years. Sadly VRAM is a concern, but that's the only reason I'd upgrade.
@Stef3m
Жыл бұрын
That's what all console do but at lower quality than DLSS and FG is really impressive
@fredsorre6605
Жыл бұрын
Oh look GTX 1060 owner's it is finally time to upgrade see look our new 4060 is way better several times better even all you need is 300$ dollaroonies so please buy our new GPU please our fake frames will make any new game playable for you and our RT still trounce our competition just ignore the fact that it's barely better than the previous gen 3060 in most games.
@main_stream_media_is_a_joke
Жыл бұрын
The fact that a billion dollar company, with inputs of their marketing dept, though that this was how they would pitch their "Latest Gen" card...speaks volumes about their target 'consumers'. Clearly some serious high level talks would have happened where it was decided to launch these cards with this kind of performance. Good that I have very little interest left in modern AAA gaming....to a point where I would gladly play and enjoy old games rather than the polished turds that are being released.
@AeonMW2
Жыл бұрын
was a good time when GTX 460 - a x60 tier GPU was just 50% percent slower than x80. and now there is 2x difference at least
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
That's a good thing? The 4090 is extremely fast, stop begging for the industry to hold back because you're broke
@AeonMW2
Жыл бұрын
@@Wobbothe3rd a) I was talking about x80 2x faster, not x90 b) there is nothing good about 4080 at 1200$ c) I have 3080 and see absolutely no reason to upgrade to anything in 40x generation
@Wobbothe3rd
Жыл бұрын
@@AeonMW2so why are you commenting at all about the gtx40 series? Obviously the 4060 isn't for 3080 owners. Pointless bullshit whining for no reason. The 4080 is indeed over twice as powerful as the 4060.
@Stef3m
Жыл бұрын
50% slower is actually 2x difference... just saying 😉
@AeonMW2
Жыл бұрын
@@Stef3m sorry, I've meant x80 is 50% faster
@mstewart248
Жыл бұрын
The problem with DLSS 3 frame generation is it doesn’t work correctly with VSync. They need to fix this for DLSS 3 frame generation to really matter.
@Stef3m
Жыл бұрын
It works with G-Sync
@AFistfulOf4K
Жыл бұрын
My two year old budget TV supports VRR
@ethanaderemi
Жыл бұрын
...I would like to see latency numbers with all implementations of dlss3.
@faridcnnxjdhs4174
6 ай бұрын
20-25% is decent, yeah shouldn't be called 4060, more like 4050 ti or 3060 super. But still 20-25% is pretty big like the difference from 47-50 fps to 60 fps
@The_Ostrich
Жыл бұрын
The PS5 runs Final Fantasy 16 at 720p 34fps lmao 🤣🤣🤣
@mariuspuiu9555
Жыл бұрын
it runs it at 60FPS when dropping that low. (it only drops that low in combat to maintain 60FPS)
@zalankhan5743
Жыл бұрын
4:20 but its not priced as a budget nor a entry level Gpu, its a $300 Gpu which has always been a price of a midrange GPU. budget starts from $200, Entry level start from $100-130
@GeordiLaForgery
Жыл бұрын
Well said this card should be £180 retail/ £150 on sale and should be called rtx4050.
@zalankhan5743
Жыл бұрын
@@GeordiLaForgery i have edited my comment,(this is what I meant)
@inteldruid
Жыл бұрын
It's priced as a budget or entry level GPU in 2023, just as RTX 4070 is literally a midrange card sold for 600$.
@joemarais7683
Жыл бұрын
@@inteldruidno it’s priced as a mid range card. And the 4070 is priced as a high end card. There’s no discussion.
@hoodrich902
Жыл бұрын
Why is the Series X always excluded from PC comparisions is the Series X not relevent in gaming?
@joemarais7683
Жыл бұрын
Cause DF is biased towards Sony and Nvidia due to their sponsorship opportunities. It’s pretty obvious.
@jesusbarrera6916
Жыл бұрын
PS5 has a much larger market cap
@fabrb26
Жыл бұрын
4060ti 16Gb version @ 300-350 would be a fair buy to me. One day, in a lot if days, i may get that.
@GaminylGames
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm waiting for a 16 or hell even 12gb card with dlss3. Til then, my 8gb 2080 Super still does alright
@Dr.WhetFarts
Жыл бұрын
4060 Ti with 16GB will loose to 4070 12GB every single time. VRAM don't matter when GPU is weak. Might as well buy 4070 now.
@juanblanco7898
Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFartsYeah, it will. But what's the price difference and what's the performance difference?
@robr640
Жыл бұрын
You know the funny thing, the 1060 6GB was marketed as 1440p card by NV themselves. Now here we are 3 gens down the road & a X60 class card is just decent for 1080p??????
@Safetytrousers
Жыл бұрын
Games now have different demands compared to the 10 series era.
@Dr.WhetFarts
Жыл бұрын
1060 6GB easily played most games in 1440p on release. Games are far more demanding today.
@yokboylebiri6986
Жыл бұрын
Pretty nice review thank you. Comparing performance to the rtx 2060 and ps5 were great addition to it.
@Ulnarevern
Жыл бұрын
Dumb question: what about power efficiency at fixed framerates? I'm running higher end hardware but I tend to lock my framerates and when the hardware isn't running at full capacity, are the results similar or different ?
@MaxIronsThird
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it would be much closer, plus you can always undervolt your card a little bit(0.05mV) and lose 2% performance and close that gap even further.
@gusgyn
Жыл бұрын
I think this review was very light on Nvidia with this card, it focused too much on a few positive aspects like DLSS3 that only supports a couple dozen games support yet. Yes, more will come in the future but it won´t be in every game, and it's not in every game that the benefits overcome the drawbacks like increase latency. Also, I bet that Nvidia saw that the raw performance bump from previous generation wasn´t be good enough, so it driver locked DLSS3 to just work on RTX40+. I think this review should have helped strongly emphasize that this is a very overpriced card, with practically no performance bump from previous generation (even regression is some cases). And shame on current vendors, adding AMD, for our current situation.
@TheDravic
Жыл бұрын
I don't get it. The review is too light on Nvidia? As in, didn't use slurs to curse Jensen's mother or something? The conclusion was still that the card is disappointing and Digital Foundry exposed the weaknesses of RTX 4060 all the same. I do not see a problem with this review.
@CaptainKenway
Жыл бұрын
First DF Nvidia review? They almost always go easy on Nvidia cards, unless it's truly indefensible like the 4060 Ti. The channel is pretty much an arm of Nvidia's PR team on the PC side and always has been.
@TheDravic
Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainKenway that's crazy. You sound mad because there's somebody out there who isn't malding in the review and rage click baiting people? The review was negative if you didn't care to watch the video. I would prefer the chill approach. World isn't ending, just buy something else that you prefer. Meanwhile Linus "tech" Tips is doing the fifteenth clickbait video this year about how the X is Y and he's sad or happy only to flip out again next time.
@mariuspuiu9555
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDravic you personally should be malding for them even defending a card like the 4060. linus at least has the balls to call it as it is.
@TheDravic
Жыл бұрын
@@mariuspuiu9555 that doesn't make sense. I just listen to facts and make my own opinion, I don't need a KZitem celebrity to tell me how to feel, I find the rage click baiting obscenely disrespectful to human intelligence and generally in poor taste. Also, it doesn't matter, because the market will verify these products in due time. No need to mald.
@adrianogil
Жыл бұрын
They pay a lot money for this guys DF talk about and good for this trash card 😂
@leandrozanchin
Жыл бұрын
And the biggest winner with the new released entry level GPUs in the end is Intel. Who would have thought? I do hope they catchup with their drivers and really curious about their next gen of GPUs!
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