Even in Baptist Churches use these verses and it was so ingrained in my system, I was guilty all the time! I thank the Lord Jesus had set me free!
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Hello Von - Thank you for stopping by. Yes, fundamental Baptists are much like the Oneness Pentecostal movement. In truth, Oneness Pentecostals took their cues from older movements like Fundamental Baptists. A 1940's Baptist preacher John. R. Rice wrote the book, "Bobbed Hair, Bossy Wives and Woman Preachers." The bishop of the church I left recommends this book to any young man getting ready to marry or who has hopes of being in the 'ministry'. In the book, Mr. Rice says women who cut their hair are harlots, and "expect to vote like a man, spit like a man, talk like a man, and go outside without a chaperone like a man." I've done a review of the book on my blog and eventually will make it a video.
@nicholevaughn1600
4 жыл бұрын
Please record video at a higher volume. It's aggravating when you can't hear it
@Star-dj1kw
3 жыл бұрын
From what I have learned, there are ALL kinds of Baptist churches. Some teach mostly on grace but apparently others focus on works. I grew up in a Methodist church and my idea of what the Baptists believed was ‘once saved; always saved’. I am by nature a fearful person so I just knew that couldn’t be right 😆. God has been so merciful to me. ❤️ As Adrian Rodgers said: “ The grace of God saved me and the grace of God has kept me saved.”
@nikkinikki1075
2 жыл бұрын
@@DivideTheWordBlog God is not a God of Christianity he’s not God of religion he says come out from amongst them he calls churches Harlots and Christians whore mongers adulterous generation fornicaters he hates religion he said don’t let no man rule over you sit under no mans teaching let my Holy Spirit teach you run after God not man
@propercatch8899
3 жыл бұрын
I know this video, and some of your other videos are two years old, but through prayer, God has pointed me to your videos bc my family and I too, attend a UPC church and want to “get out” and being a minister, all these “ideals” come to my mind and wage war with what is “right” and what is right. Thank you so much! God bless you!
@tommichaud3927
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! Just came out of a church where pastor and elders held the "obey us" and "don't question us" card over the congregation. It's not just oneness Pentecostal churches. Many AG and Evangelical Free churches operate the same way. If you question anything you get shot down, followed by shunning-
@DivideTheWordBlog
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Thomas - and you are correct - many denominations (Oneness came from AG) can take this stance and it's a sad misrepresentation of the Gospel. Blessings,
@johnr6143
Жыл бұрын
Yes I'm former UPC, but I know they always shun you, many denominations (demon-actions) do this! It's a form of spiritual abuse, as they forsake the word of God, to go after the one, because if you disagree with certain key things that go against what they want you to believe, they cut you off! I'm so glad God doesn't disregard us the way catholic influenced protestant churches do!
@natalieamberger2432
11 ай бұрын
Also fundamentalist baptist, calvanist reformed, catholic, mormon and All religions really
@jaychristen65
3 жыл бұрын
I was in the UPCI for 12 years. I left in 2009. God brought me out... After watching your videos I have gained healing from the spiritual abuse that the organization predicates. I now and understand 1st Peter 2:9! ...God has brought me out of darkness and into his marvelous light!
@bluetickbeagles116
5 жыл бұрын
Your the only person who FULLY understands what I have experienced in the Pentacostal Oneness Church. Thank you for all you do in speaking on the subject of spiritual abuse.
@DivideTheWordBlog
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Gwen, Thank you for commenting and watching. I have to admit, even for me, only those who came out of the demonic churches like the one I fled truly understand the depth of what they stand for and did to us, so I really connect with our comment. Namaste,
@Tara.dutton1
11 ай бұрын
I am so grateful for your channel. I have been a Christian all my life, but I went to a new church for 16 months and this is exactly how the church was. I new it was wrong but I got sucked in and felt shame and guilt and fear all the time. The plaster was exactly like you described. I left 3 months ago and have been in therapy for every thing that went on. Praise God we are free in Jesus.
@JonathanGrandt
4 жыл бұрын
Haha. Classic pastor’s trump card. I was sitting down with a pastor and he was asking me why I wouldn’t sign the legal membership covenant contract. I told him it wasn’t biblical and it was unbiblical for him to divide the body into two portions, those who are “Members / Family” and those who are “Non-Members / Friends” He tried to say membership is implied in scripture. He said they had directories and a list of names and so that implies a formal membership. I said “well you have my phone number and my email... I guess that makes me a member?” Anyway so lol... he went on to insist that even if it isn’t biblical it’s been “given to him” to discern the times and enact rules and such in the church and while I might not want to run a church in this way I should just read Hebrews 13:17 again... and he kept saying this, “just read Hebrews 13:17 again...” as if reading it again and again would make a light pop on in my head and I would suddenly just transform into an obedient follower. I told him the church is filled with non-members and those non-members are having children and pretty soon he will have caused a major split in his church... and his response was, “oh, we’ll get your kids...” My wife and I and our kids left the church. I do not want him to Get my kids. Lol. So are we just to submit to and obey whoever goes to seminary? Whoever holds the title of pastor? Haha. No.
@MrsLoriMarmee
6 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy this is 'out there' for anyone to find. It's really truth! I remember when my husband and I were beginning to date, we were told in no uncertain terms that we had to wait for a year before dating. (We were both almost 30 and had been married before smh) Looking back now, it's ridiculous that 'ministers of the gospel' are getting this involved in people's lives. Well, that was almost 18 years ago, and they were so wrong. LOL!! Instead of supporting us, though, we felt like to avoid sin, we had to go behind their (our 2 pastor's) backs and got married by a J.O.P.. ..I often felt sort of cheating us out of a wedding with the support of our peers. We were kicked out of leadership for 'the appropriate time', and made to feel like horrible sinners by many in 'the church'. So much for the love of God. I forgave though. This is just simply history at this point. You make so much sense in this video and ALL your videos! Smart folks will subscribe to hear more!!
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Lori - You made me remember when my wife and I were dating. We went to another churches Anniversary Services (not sure why partying to celebrate your own church anniversary is a cool thing among Pentecost, but ok...)and the pew we sat on was so crowded, my wife (then GF) was shoulder to shoulder with me, and I was hanging off the edge of the wood pew. Another older 'brother' from the church sat behind us. That was on a Saturday. Sunday AM after home church, the pastor called me out to meet with him and proceeded to tell me, "If you can't keep your hands to yourself then you probably don't need to be dating." That brother that sat behind us was there to monitor the young people. Very cult like and sad that they feel they have that much control over people.
@MrsLoriMarmee
6 жыл бұрын
..well, your sinful shoulder was obviously rebellious. Maybe cutting it off would’ve been appropriate.🤣😂
@amygoff4127
4 жыл бұрын
All I know is Jesus told us He would be our teacher through the Holy Spirit. I personally don't remember Jesus ever saying anybody was going to be wearing long robes and preaching at us, he said that the holy spirit will teach us all things, and if the Holy Spirit lives in US, is our teacher not within ourselves? I really am grateful that you have shared your testimony with us, leaving the Pentecostal church was the best thing I could have ever done, i thought I was going to spiritually die if I didn't leave there, because I had received the Holy Spirit and was full of love and joy and happiness and they killed it, but God would not allow my spirit to be completely destroyed and I'm coming back out of the ashes. Your testimony is the testimony I've been looking for, thank you for sharing it.
@triciagarea9576
2 жыл бұрын
When we go to Jesus for obedience and wisdom, we become martyrs. Persecution come. Jesus l listen to your voice. Come look Jesus and help me to be strong. AMEN
@KatrinaYancey780
5 жыл бұрын
You hit it out the park with this. I appreciate it. I found this in the "new" Apostolic movement. I'm someone who was unchurched all my life, so I was ignorant to "church protocol" but what I did have was that I read the Bible. When I told the pastor ("Apostle") that I was leaving because what was going on and being taught was contrary to what the Holy Spirit was leading me, I was told that God wasn't finished with me and that I wasn't released from the church; even though I never came back afterward. Needless to say, only 1 person talks to me from there via text now and again. But, they didn't fail to reach out to ask me for a donation for the ministry the other week - and not the person who still speaks to me. It was not this way, or it didn't seem this way when I first began to attend. But, over the short time of one-year things went haywire. We were constantly being berated, criticized and told that we need deliverance from this spirit or that spirit; or we don't honor her and so on. I left because my spirit was grieved. Thank you for speaking out. It's encouraging and helpful in my healing process to know that the truth of God's Word is still revered.
@DivideTheWordBlog
5 жыл бұрын
Hello, I am so thankful you made your way out of the New Apostolic Reformation. As dangerous as I see the Oneness Pentecostal movement, that NAR is doubly so. Many blessings
@LC72457
5 жыл бұрын
I am praying for you and your healing from your experience. Praise God for your leaving the cult and having a relationship with God Our Father through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
@carolynwhite9975
4 жыл бұрын
I'm feeling what you are saying!! The previous ministry I was in abused this scripture and now the ministry I am with now is starting the same thing. I am so grieved in my spirit so very grieved in my spirit.
@carolynwhite9975
4 жыл бұрын
I've also have learned that you have to watch a church that keeps you busy with activities like conferences, workshops etc. They will keep you so busy and working the ministry until you can't look to God for yourself. All you can do is look to them. In the previous ministry I was in this what they did and they also did these things to keep your eyes off them because at the end of the day they didn't know what they were doing.
@noothername6199
5 жыл бұрын
Policing people is not Leadership its Dictatorship .
@DivideTheWordBlog
5 жыл бұрын
Religious leaders are to be overseers, not Lord's over God's people. It is quite sad when men think they have the right, authority and power to control others. It is even WORSE when people come to believe that another man has that right and freely allows themselves to be controlled. Then, it is slavery, not freedom in Christ. "The faith which you have [that gives you freedom of choice], have as your own conviction before God [just keep it between yourself and God, seeking His will]. Happy is he who has no reason to condemn himself for what he approves." - Romans 14:22
@justinnelson3609
5 жыл бұрын
we thank you Jesus that you shared your powerful testimony and explain that we only obey Jesus and agree with you Paul never said obey me .. God is so good !
@ldubb2013
4 жыл бұрын
The word obey in that verse. literally means “be influenced by” in the Greek. That is probably the most used and damaging verse used in the UPC.
@DivideTheWordBlog
4 жыл бұрын
@Larry I agree- in fact it literally references the concept of 'willfully choosing to be influenced' after you examine the fruits of the one you are examining. If they align, and are good, and Godly, you choose to allow them to influence you, otherwise, you break away their influence. Context is King with Scripture! Blessings,
@mildredstallworth4914
4 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I've heard this Scripture explained so clearly, thank you!
@DivideTheWordBlog
4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome
@davidbrock4104
Жыл бұрын
Hope you revive the channel someday. Good stuff that a lot of people need to hear. It had to be difficult to put yourself out there for all to criticize.
@682linda
3 жыл бұрын
Here is the literal rendering of Hebrews 13:17 from the Greek (not a translation) "Be persuaded of the ones guiding you and yield yourselves because they are sleepless (losing sleep) over your soul, as those who will give back a word (to you) with joy and not with grief for this would be unprofitable to you" It does NOT in any say "obey those who have the rule over you" To put it in context, some Hebrew Christians were so persecuted, losing everything, that they were considering going back to unbelieving Judaism and some one reached out to Paul asking for his help in the matter. Simple as that. That verse in KJV, Amplified and other English translations is a severe twisting of the Scripture in order to misled and put people under bondage!
@sarahs7253
2 жыл бұрын
Im sorry but...translating from greek to english is what is called a translation.
@ItsAshley08
6 жыл бұрын
AMEN! This is a very important topic. Thanks for posting this one!
@tamikaacoff3695
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@traciesandoval2882
2 жыл бұрын
Amen! Jesus is Lord! I also submit to my husband's leading not others. I can't get over how people follow others so blindly and never seek answers for themselves.
@lettyp3766
4 жыл бұрын
You should do a video where you talk about how they pulpit bully a person who doesn’t submit or follow “their standards “ it’s very real how far some of these pastors will use their authority to condemn you with sin because your not submitted !! That pulpit becomes a life sentence if you do one thing that’s not in obedience to the pastor
@peacexlove3744
3 жыл бұрын
Is anyone else overwhelmed? There are so many different denominations and interpretations out there, how do we know we're understanding correctly?
@MJ-vt4nb
2 жыл бұрын
Pray and read your Bible. Ask God for discernment. If something doesn't feel right or sound right, ask God to show you the truth.
@Irunwithscissors63
5 жыл бұрын
You said if a pastor is scriptural. My ex-pastor does preach scripture, however he misapplies it. So it all sounds right to those who don’t understand right division, but, the way he uses it brings condemnation and doubt to believers.
@tamaralikecamera
2 жыл бұрын
Manipulation of the scriptures!
@winonaely6703
6 жыл бұрын
Wish I had known this years ago
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Well did Winona, we all did. But glad to be free of the bondage now! Thank you for watching,
@chrisdunham9818
6 жыл бұрын
My pastor says we don't have to obey his opinion, but we need to submit to scripture.
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris - That is the correct authority for a pastor to have. His position begins and ends in Scripture. Where things break down is when pastors teach things that are outside of Scripture and claim they are authoritative for salvation. Blessings,
@chrisdunham9818
6 жыл бұрын
Blessings to you, my Brother.
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
And to you
@christinetaljaard4290
4 жыл бұрын
beware of wrong interpretation of Scripture. ensure Scripture is being rightly applied and does not serve to achieve an ulterior unbiblical end.
@josephbailey1100
5 жыл бұрын
This was a vary good video brother Ralph I struggled with that scripture for a vary long time. I try now to be opened to the whole church{people} because we only know in part we should follow Christ and his example to do what a person says to do or obey them only if they themselves are following scripture. So we only obey those who are telling the truth by using scripture in it's right context. I came out of the UPC and I know what you mean they control everything that you let them control your family, money, and what you wear. Great video brother I like hearing what you have to say because you are very wise. God Bless You and Your Family
@TorrinCooper
5 жыл бұрын
Bro love your stuff! Keep shinning the light of truth!! 🔥🔥👏👏🙌🙌
@DivideTheWordBlog
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Torrin, Blessings,
@kangel1127
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
@Lev-Heart
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@rfelzien
6 жыл бұрын
This is so good! I've seen so many things similar in my experiences. It's cultish.
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
I forgot to clip out the beginning of this video before it was set to start - pardon my throat clearing!
@stashia3647
6 жыл бұрын
Divide The Word Blog your fine 😆
@carsonmeoli9246
6 жыл бұрын
Divide The Word Blog hey, do you have your own church
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
No Carson, I'm not a pastor or have a church, and have no desire to do so.
@chrisdunham9818
6 жыл бұрын
I liked it. You're more interested in getting your message out than appearance. Keep up the good work, Brother.
@Gimmekiss-ix1hh
Жыл бұрын
Yes I believe walking in the spirit of Christ is the way.he wants us to be like him yes I agree in a lot your saying.but I also believe. What I meant.
@Gimmekiss-ix1hh
Жыл бұрын
Have a good good now.
@sweetmaggie2693
Жыл бұрын
I just left a Church where the pastor and his wife, with a couple members were plotting against people and talking about them , mocking them and calling them names. Their allegiance is to him, they are scared to go against anything he says. They just ostracized someone they had been plotting against for months, that recently lost their son, preying on her weakness, she was on the praise team, and the pastor purposely caused division between the team to single her out, lieing and nothing she would say was right, someone always took offense, and came against her, and talked bad about her behind her back, she didn’t know about the plot against her, but she found out, and called him out, on everything he had been doing and he blew up, she was a true warrior though, he thought he would destroy her, but she came back fighting , which he did not expect, and put them all in their place, now they are afraid of what she’s going to do. They hurt her so bad, along with others. The preachers wife was behind it and the preacher went right along with it with others. For absolutely no reason at all. NONE.
@willgold9705
4 жыл бұрын
Well done!
@1Whipperin
2 жыл бұрын
Most churchgoers including "pastors" have not studied the meeting and organization of the Church. The pastor-led service is found everywhere but in the Bible. The structure of worship in the New Testament is found in 1 Cor. 14: 26-31. The liturgy came out of the Roman Catholic Mass which is a blending of pagan and Judaistic ritual sprinkled with Catholic theology and Christian vocabulary. Luther and the reformers made a few changes to the Mass but basically kept the same order of worship as Rome. Luther talked about the priesthood of all believers but he kept the ordained clergy and the clergy laity distinction. None of which is found in the Bible. Hebrews 10: 24-25 is about gathering and encouraging one another. I don't see the sermon as Christians encouraging one another at all. The sermon is about a professional orator making a fine speech to a passive audience. When do they encourage one another? Have you ever seen such a gathering? The professional clergy and the liturgy stifle the priesthood of all believers and make worship about their speech and saying amen and singing on cue. There is nothing like that in the Bible.
@danberres2133
2 ай бұрын
I've been there!
@Luckypanda77
4 ай бұрын
Hi Ralph-what do you say about the “spiritual covering” of pastors teaching that is prevalent in UPCI-I’ve been told that being under a pastoral covering is to protect us and if we leave the pastoral covering than we are in a lot of danger. But I feel that is yet another man taking on the role of God.
@josephmullarney6086
6 жыл бұрын
I have read this book/epistle several times and this just kinda stuck out to me. 1 Corinthians 16:15-16 “I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,) That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth.” Addicted isn’t like addicted to drugs or video games but rather ordained of God. Why would the Lord ordain multiple individuals in the church of Corinth if it was suppose to be a single man running the show??
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
You nailed it Joseph! It is not a one man show, but greedy mem have turned it into that, for they build themselves their own little kingdoms. Every year my former church has an annual Anniversary celebration, and each year the pastor gets a massive ($10,000+) gift from the church, which is paid for by extra offerings taken from people the week before. At year 39 I had an epiphany, and I asked the question. "Why, pastor, in 40 years, have you or this church not created and ordained a single minister? We haven't we created one preacher, Evangelist, missionary, etc. We haven't sent forth a single individual to spread the Gospel. Why?" I was answered with hostility and it was then God revealed to me, "Kings don't like other Kings." If you believe that the position of a Pastor is one of lordship over his subjects, of course you wouldn't put someone into a position of equal or greater authority as your own. Kings keep people subjected, that's why their people are called subjects.
@CKoinonia1
6 жыл бұрын
Around the 19:00 mark you state that Jesus "disobeyed nearly every law possible." Scripture states he came to fulfill the law. You may want to clarify what you mean.
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Christian - I was hoping to amend the video but I'd have to cut it apart and re-upload it, and the ability to add on-screen annotations has been removed from KZitem. Frustrating! To clarify - I meant to say that Jesus violated several, many even (not all as I nearly implied) of the societal, Judaic and Mosaic laws, such as having his Disciples harvesting on the Sabbath, eating without washing their hands for purity, mixing with Samaritans, and many of the things that the Jews viewed as blasphemous. He broke boundaries and was not obedient to the laws of the land as it were. He (Jesus) violated many of the man-made laws in order to show that he was the Lord of all those laws, and more so, in my opinion, to teach just how little those acts of self-righteousness meant to Him. Yes, Jesus came to fulfill the law - but the Word says that ALL of the Law and Prophets hinged on the two great commandments Jesus gave us - that you Love God, and Love your neighbor. Not in dress standards, obedience/behavior control, arranged romance, etc, etc. Those things are like the Pharisees of Matthew 23.
@CKoinonia1
6 жыл бұрын
I felt it would be good for you to clarify before getting the nasty comments. :)
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
I'll get nasty comments anyway. Have some dyed-in-the-wool Oneness Pentecostals watching my videos, which I think is GREAT!
@randyclark222
4 жыл бұрын
@@DivideTheWordBlog hello. I have a couple questions for you. Would you be willing to text me. The church I grew up in was pastored my John MacArthurs brother in law and would see him often and I was actually planning on going to his college and seminary. My number is 719-291-0677. It's just easier to text instead of having a convo over KZitem. I respect everything you are saying just have a few questions
@ChrisMosesBrownMind
3 жыл бұрын
@9:29 I suppose when they go to the library to pour through physical books to do their research thats when truth can only be found.
@dgh5223
Жыл бұрын
Some churches act like a HOA. They both have rules to follow or else your in trouble. Jesus even broke a lot of man made rules. 😳 Jesus gives us more freedom than pastors do.
@odonohoe7654
4 жыл бұрын
You should do a video about good old boys club and why it is never addressed
@Pfsif
4 жыл бұрын
After 33 years of walking with Christ, I have never met a "head" pastor I thought was saved.
@terrycarleson6371
5 жыл бұрын
Great
@IGNATIUS914
Жыл бұрын
Now that you have left the UPC where do you fellowship and understand who's covering or authority are you under now?
@sarahs7253
2 жыл бұрын
sit down..stand up..sit down...stand up.. It seems silly we have to do what they say...Je has us stand up during announcements and i don't see why.
@tammymiles4369
4 жыл бұрын
I thank you for your videos. John Macarthur is a wolf though. Just a heads up :)
@DivideTheWordBlog
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for commenting and watching! Blessings,
@CMT1988
5 жыл бұрын
I believe in dressing modestly as a follower of Jesus.. I wear pants but I wear long shirts and wear dresses .. I'm just careful with what I wear. I'm not Pentecostal but i left a church that was new age and twisted Malachi 3
@BrotherKennyHolland
5 жыл бұрын
Modesty is what is taught in scriptures! You have found that truth sister!
@Gimmekiss-ix1hh
Жыл бұрын
Believe that in Christian because Jesus Deid for me &I Repeated from sin accept he's the way. Been Baspted in his name..living the best I can in him been baptized into the kingdom.i now I'm a hiar..hes daughters.
@GregRickard
4 жыл бұрын
From my research, Heb 13:17 means that we should follow their example if it's a good example according to scripture. Takes a bit of digging into the Greek. No-one has a right to run your life. The bible says the head of man is Christ, not some guy with an unbiblical "Pastor" title that acts as a mini-pope. The UPC is rife with Pastor-worship.
@nancyhollis5999
6 жыл бұрын
Do you still believe that it takes baptism in Jesus name to be saved.
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Nancy, I do not, and here is why. The 'Jesus Only' dogma relating to Baptism is nothing more than a dividing line and a tool of contention between Oneness proponents in their diligent attacks against Trinitarianism. In both debates, (Godhead and Baptism) it is a war of semantics. Jesus said "Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Oneness folks say, "The only example we have in Scripture is them baptizing in Jesus name" Jesus is God. The Father, Son, and Spirit are God. It's the same God and the same name (authority). I feel like the matter has been turned into a magic spell, teaching people that if you don't incant the words in just the right order, the spell fizzles, potentially backfires and you just got wet. That's the short answer, but it revolves around this: When Scripture says, "In the name of", that word 'name' is the Greek on'-om-ah, which means literally, or figuratively, 'authority' and 'character'. Baptize them in the Authority of Jesus Christ. Or baptize them in the Authority of the Father, and The Son, and the Holy Ghost. THere is one God, and he alone as authority. Jesus said, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works." John 14:10 Here is a full article defining this belief: dividetheword.blog/2018/06/11/baptism-does-how-you-are-baptized-matter/
@carolynwhite9975
4 жыл бұрын
It's not just the Oneness Pentecost Al's that do this out context scripture teaching. The so called WORD OF FAITH do it too!!
@Drachefeuerzwei
5 жыл бұрын
I stumbled upon your videos, because a friend of mine is Pentecostal, and I wanted to learn more about that. Seen a few videos on it, and not to be rude, but from an outside perspective, Christianity seems strange.
@DivideTheWordBlog
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Steven, Not all of Christianity is like the Pentecostal / Oneness religion I came from. In fact, the Oneness Pentecostal religion is a very small subset of Christianity. My hope is that you don't judge the whole thing by this one sect. I can say however, if it is a Oneness Pentecostal / United Pentecostal Church, avoid it at all costs. Blessings,
@marynotmartha3139
4 жыл бұрын
My old cult leader pastor preached that judas iscariot disobeyed his pastor(jesus) and hung himself🤦♀️🤦♀️my husband and i had a treacherous time a 2 yr peeiod of waiting and obeying our cult leader to get married. It was horrible. Then the preacher gossiped about us after we were obedient for 2 yrs tand said he only let us get married bc we were burning for eachother🙄lies. I could go on and on. We were abused for sure.thank u for the video.❤
@DivideTheWordBlog
4 жыл бұрын
@Mary That's not too surprising, but painful, and I am sorry you had to deal with that. Narcissist leaders use Bible stories and gossip stories like that, and speak of God cursing you or taking the umbrella of protection away from you if you don't obey every demand of the pastor. Any pastor that needs to fear you in to obedience, is not a God called individual! My prayers for your continued recovery from that abuse!
@marynotmartha3139
4 жыл бұрын
@@DivideTheWordBlog thank u so much brother🥰
@leahmichele22
4 жыл бұрын
If you went to TBC, we probably have some aquaintances in common.
@Star-dj1kw
3 жыл бұрын
I agree that it’s helpful to read a verse in different translations....BUT you know the Oneness folks would immediately label you a heretic the minute you bring out any translation besides the one and only King James Version. I realize you’re probably making this video for the people who are leaving those toxic church systems, not for the people still in bondage. I really appreciate videos like this 👍🏽💗. Thank you for your work!!
@BeeBlot
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate what you're doing. Paul, imo, is problematic. I don't want to follow Paul's example, I want to follow Christ's example. If he had said, "follow my example until you feel bold enough to follow Yeshua".
@user-kq5qp6dh8l
3 жыл бұрын
The thing is. The teachers appointed in early ekklesia had no scriptures. New Testement. So they where teaching the oral Passed on sayings. Our true teacher us the HS and the scriptures
@natalieamberger2432
11 ай бұрын
How is John Mcarthers church any different...they teach the same way.
@gnosticsabaton4975
Жыл бұрын
Doesn't the Bible also say" obey authority for My sake?
@ignatiusrodrigues1598
4 жыл бұрын
May i ask you than are you under any leadership noü that you don't go to church to be Accountable and someone to vatch over your soul?
@DivideTheWordBlog
4 жыл бұрын
@Ignatius I do have a group of Christian men that I am accountable to, that I meet with each week, along with the pastor of the church I serve at.
@richardharter2620
6 жыл бұрын
Do you think as a pastor and brother in Christ, that it's a good idea for we Christian's to tear other churches apart causing them to lose members and even causing people to not get saved. It sounds like it's the spirit of the Pharisee s and we haven't learned anything in two thousand years. I really don't know what to do . But l love brothers and sisters in other churches and would rather work on mine and myself as I an far from perfect. Please help me be kind and helpful to people not of.my denomination .
@Mrbiggerjobs1000
5 жыл бұрын
I understand you, I think, and I feel to say that when we are exposing these issues we are not really tearing down anything - we are simply questioning the foundation that some of these churches are built on. There is always confusion over the Church and the local church. They are not the same. If, by tearing down some false teachings we end up with a stronger Church, it is all good. Our foundation is on the Rock of Christ, not on man. When we are in bondage to man it is as if we have been bewitched (Galatians - who has bewitched you) - anything that is not based on the rightly divided word is witchcraft. We are tearing through this so that people are free once more and are able to stand before the Good Shepherd
@noothername6199
5 жыл бұрын
They are already losing members by saying ,March to the Same beat of the drum or get out. You cant be used here, is the same as saying, "leave" your not welcome .Finger pointing and judgmental looks push people away . And many souls are not going to be Saved in the end because of it? Do you really think God approves of this (legalism) ????
@GregRickard
6 жыл бұрын
Verse 7 says "considering the end of their conversation". Well, would you obey someone that teaches you (their conversation) to give them 10% based on the law of Moses? Is that someone you consider competent with the word?
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Hello Greg, Anyone teaching that we must pay 10% tithes based on the law of Moses, and especially using things like Malachi 3:8 to prove it as a necessary, do or be cursed requirement, is not competent in the Word and the end of their conversation will appear in their lifestyles, including their vehicles, homes, clothing and luxuries. I do believe in giving of offerings in the manner Paul taught (2 Corinthians 9:7), and that the one we choose to call pastor should be supported by the church, but to become wealthy, and luxurious off the word is both anti-Scriptural and anti-Christ, in my opinion and review of Scripture.
@JonathanGrandt
4 жыл бұрын
This is so quiet.
@jimschoir
6 жыл бұрын
Are Oneness Pentecostals Saved according to scriptures?
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jim Scripture and Jesus say that all who believe in Jesus and are baptized shall be saved. Oneness Pentecostals declare you have to much more than that to be saved. In that sense, they have obeyed Scriptural demands, and then some. My real question, is can you be saved while teaching people false doctrines? There is a direct commandment in Scripture not to add to, or take away from the Word. My. Having been in the Oneness Pentecostal system for 15 years I can tell you they teach extra-Biblical commandments as salvific. For instance, as noted in the video, the pastor can make up rules to be in the church, and if you don't one those rules, they count it as the sin of rebellion, against the pastor and against God. They also teach that leaving their church without the Pastor's permission is the same. So, you stay and obey, or leave and be condemned. All extra-Biblical commandments. Can we be saved teaching false doctrines?
@jimschoir
6 жыл бұрын
This is such a personal topic to me because I was part of UPCI for 10 years and still have family there.- Muslims don't believe Jesus is the Son of God and wasn't crucified.- Mormons believe Jesus is one of infinite other gods and satans brothers.- Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus was the Archangel.- Oneness Pentecostals believe Jesus was in the thought or mind of God and was created physically when he was born. - Trinitarians believe Jesus has eternally existed and is coequal with the Father.Sounds like all 5 believe in a different Jesus. I agree, those who believe in Jesus will be saved but it has to be the correct Jesus. Above you'll see contrasting Jesus'. I know that Oneness people absolutely Love Jesus with all their hearts so much so they're known as the Jesus Only Churches lol.Are Oneness Pentecostals saved according to scriptures?
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Jim - They are known as the "Jesus Only' people due to their insistence that you must be baptized using the phrase, 'In Jesus Name'. They teach that being baptized with any other verbally spoken words means you just got wet. They love their Jesus, but I also do not believe they teach the Jesus in Scripture. Oneness Pentecostals are loyal to their pastors and their dogmas over Jesus. Jesus never taught how to control peoples clothing, and personal life. Jesus never taught a dogma of baptism formula the way Pentecostals do. Are Oneness Pentecostals saved? I think some of them are, from personal faith in God, not because they are Oneness Pentecostal - but it is for God to decide such things.
@IsaacCoverstone
6 жыл бұрын
All this discussion about a character we know so little about. We might as well discuss the teachings of Thor or Zeus.....
@jimschoir
6 жыл бұрын
Divide The Word Blog Thank you very much! Appreciate what you're doing here
@CornelGB
4 жыл бұрын
OBEY ONLY GOD,HIS PRECEPTS, LAWS AND HATE WHAT HE HATES,,, ABOMINATIONS AGAINST HOLYNESS AND DECENT HUMAN BEINGS,READ YOUR BIBLE LEARN WHO GOD REALLY IS....DONT FOR OTHERS TO TELL YOU THEIR OWN VERSION
@josephmullarney6086
6 жыл бұрын
I called out some terrible teachings and my family ended up leaving. We were absolutely destroyed and told via text that God was gong to harshly judge me and on and on. They even went on social media to do their dirty work. A particular Pentecostal Church in Nampa Idaho is a genuine cult. Their youth resembles Hitler youth more than children of God. It is a sad and terrible situation. Just a couple teachings were - I am the voice of God. If you want to hear God you must listen to me. If God speaks to you, it will sound like me. Words of the pastor. - God is not all knowing. God measures your spirituality in dollar signs in combination with 20%tithes and 20% offering. (Just a tad manipulative) - He teaches that he has more authority over a family than the man. - He teaches that if parents say yes/no, he has the authority to over rule that decision since he is their man of God. - It is also the only church I have seen where the pastor does announcements, takes offering/tithes, teaches and preaches....he does everything....I mean everything. Helps are not employed except for songs. - No metal cuff links, just fabric ones since they are jewelry. But no fabric style rings...I guess that’s different. - No ball games because of how women dress, but he allows rodeos. (If I want to look at women it won’t be at a ball game, it will be at a rodeo lol. Okay I’m done.
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
That sounds nearly identical to the church I left. In fact, the #2 man at my church has very strong ties to an Idaho church...I wonder. It's mind boggling the level of control the Oneness Pentecostal system tends to.gice it's pastors. I know not all take it.to.that degree, but I've spoken with over 400 people from different Oneness churches and the majority have suffered through what you and I have, which tells me the problem is systemic to the movement and is not isolated cases.
@josephmullarney6086
6 жыл бұрын
Divide The Word Blog I actually love the standard while on the other hand recognize it’s just that, a standard. I believe the oneness message while also recognizing the Lord has never asked my opinion about anyone or anything. I would be considered a “compromiser” as you well know. I’m kinda old fashion (not mid evil old fashioned) which is why I like the standard. It’s not a bible thing at all. Actually, I have been seriously getting into the separating or standards and Gods word, from tithes up to oneness vs Trinity. It’s kinda of a scary road but one must examine not only themselves but the scriptures. I’m curious, what city is this idaho Church in? I’m guessing twin falls
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
I'm very old fashioned myself, still like to hold the door open for my lady, hold the umbrella, I love long beautiful hair, and dresses are feminine and beautiful to me. However, I do not find justification in controlling other people based on my 'preferences' and denying them access to the Church because they don't one my commandments. That's not Christ' way, it isn't Christian, and no Apostle ever behaved the way these men do. In fact, Paul things like, "I would that..", which is like saying, I wish you would..Paul said, "Imitate me, as (while) I imitate Christ." Paul.never said, "Do what I say, because I say, and don't ask questions or you'll lose out with God." As for the faith that you do have, have it between yourself and God." Romans 14:22
@josephmullarney6086
6 жыл бұрын
Divide The Word Blog I agree.
@carsonmeoli9246
6 жыл бұрын
If he's teaching about hair length he's out of Scripture? 1 Cor 11: 6 for if the women be not covered ,let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a women to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 1cor 11: 15. But if a women have long hair it is a glory to her: for her hair s given for a covering. Once again falsely accussing upc preachers of " creating standards" the only one who's out of the scripture is you.
@DivideTheWordBlog
6 жыл бұрын
Welcome back Carson - Thanks for stopping by. If you didn't catch it in the video, I was talking specifically about men's hair, such as the teaching that our sideburns couldn't be past the middle of our ears as men. Or have facial hair, and certain hairstyles were condemned, often. Furthermore, while Scripture does say woman having long hair is a glory to her, it does not say uncut even though the Holiness movement has made up terms to say it does. Cling to the dogmatic ideals all the day long, but as Paul said in Romans, 14:22 "The faith which you have [that gives you freedom of choice], have as your own conviction before God [just keep it between yourself and God, seeking His will]. Happy is he who has no reason to condemn himself for what he approves."
@nuggets1356
6 жыл бұрын
You do realize that first corinthisans 11 and 6 is literally talking about clothing that women wore back in that time? its where most apostolics get the idea of wearing a veil (even though theres no scriptural evidence that women wore the same clothing item on their heads back in those times). And in 1 corinthians 11:15 theres nothing that says the hair cant be cut nor does it give any certain length of hair. hair can be cut and still be long can it not? and what he was talking about was the teachings that men had to have their side burns cut a certain length. wasnt talking about the womens hair issue at all. in my old church they preached the same thing. hair had to be cut a certain way and only certain styles were allowed. sideburns had to be cut a certain way and God forbid you have any facial hair lol I was always rituculed by my pastor if i came into church with even stubble. I remember one of my friends walking in with a very short beard and my pastor was telling him he doesnt care about church or God because he had a beard. Where is that in the bible? it seems pretty manipulative and controlling to me.
@carsonmeoli9246
6 жыл бұрын
PussNuggets hair is givin for a covering, stop trying to cancel out elementary, plain scripture. It's funny how only what you don't want to obey was for back then
@nuggets1356
6 жыл бұрын
im not saying i dont want to obey or dont obey scriptures. i simply said that the fact is that thats exactly what 1 corinthians 11:6 is talking about. if it was better that the woman has her head not covered it would be better to shave her head and if it is a shame for a woman to have her head uncovered let her head be covered. Where did i say the scriptures you shared is only for back then. just said the scripture is talking about a womans clothing item that was worn back then. Youre very good at twisting words. But thats okay because thats what youre taught to do as a pentecostal. I know i was. So I understand, i was there for 13 years. I just see how its wrong and chose to go my own way. as did many of the people who watch this content. nothing wrong or ungodly about that now is there? If you believe a woman should have long hair and shuldnt be able to cut it i dont judge you for it.You believe what you think is right. Which is fine. I just dont see the teaching as sound doctrine and think the scriptures used are taken out of context for the purpose of control like many things are in the UPCI or independent pentecostal churches.
@IsaacCoverstone
6 жыл бұрын
Carson Meoli maybe we would be willing to consider discussing things with you if you were even vaguely interested in an intelligent discussion. However, you have demonstrated that as soon as you get backed into a corner, you either stop talking or change the subject. You still haven't responded when I asked where was the Pentecostal church in 1250 AD?
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