Sad. Thumbnail and images from: x.com/YuGiOhNewsTCG Edison next time. Apologies for current format. 0:00 Intro 0:53 Bans 1:23 Limits 6:48 Semi Limits 7:14 Colossus 7:53 Maxx C #yugioh #ocg #banlist
I'm pleasantly surprised to read all the supportive comments on this video, and in the future, I'll consider making a 'Cultural Differences between the TCG and OCG' video. I'll be collecting topics for the video from the comments of this video. Thank you for all the kind words!
@hyperDarklord13
7 күн бұрын
Why not just hit the demon smith engine in October
@AmusedDragonflies-it8nu
7 күн бұрын
What i got is japan doesnt treat this game as a job like the tcg does, they treat it as a hobby hence the rarity boosts here in the west
@hyperDarklord13
7 күн бұрын
Yeah but that doesn’t explain how the Beatrice hit is fine if they intend to slap FS in October but don’t think Beatrice is banworthy
@siopaoguy
5 күн бұрын
Is it true that OCG players have Stockholm Syndrome with MAXX C?
@sinjoh53
4 күн бұрын
One of the reason TCG player expected maxx c to be ban is because of Mulchummy Purulia which kinda replace maxx c How impactfull is this card in OCG?
@UniGya
8 күн бұрын
I'll tell you right now, I'm subscribing with the hope that you will continue to do OCG discussions. We really don't have any English speaking OCG players on KZitem and I have always wanted to hear that perspective on OCG news. TCG players can speculate but an actual OCG player perspective is really nice to see. So please, do OCG content
@ElusiveMirror
9 күн бұрын
You are engaging and eloquent enough to post on whatever you feel like. Also, respectfully, for a small channel with sporadic uploads I don't think there is any need to worry about people who may not want a certain type of content.
@SunnyYGO
8 күн бұрын
Yeah, I have a bad habit of overthinking irrelevant issues. Thank you so much for the compliment! I appreciate the support
@iam2799
9 күн бұрын
Your OCG insights are very interesting from a TCG player's perspective, please do more
@DarkAuraLord
8 күн бұрын
No, no. You had it right. Gamble culture is appropriate. Let's call a spade a spade, random packs are gambling.
@samuelheddle
5 күн бұрын
random packs are "more" gambling if you are specifically opening them for financial return, though, which is what happened in US/western tcg culture post-COVID boom. big thanks to whatever Paul brother it was which did that crap
@DarkAuraLord
5 күн бұрын
@@samuelheddle That's not exclusively a western thing, and even before covid, people have been opening packs for financial return since the advent of TCG secondary markets. I was buying singles from my LGS for yugioh all the way back in 2006, and you can't have people that are selling singles without those people cracking packs for profit. Hell, I'm not even that old, I know some people who were into the same kinda thing even EARLIER than that, back in ye olden days of Magic The Gathering. Logan Paul's main influence during covid was in the pokemon TCG secondary market, where he basically manipulated the market and it caused prices to sky rocket in a way the game still has not recovered from to this day. This, in turn, attracted a ton of bottom of the barrel grifters that singularly care about using TCGs as a glorified stock market - "Investmentbro" and "marketbro" culture. This ESPECIALLY affected the Japanese market, too, which caused plenty of Japanese sellers and buyers to behave in the same way. There are many videos covering the insane inflation of Japanese Sealed product for PTCG - something that before Logan's stunt during covid were actually CHEAPER than their English counterparts. All of this to say that it's always been a thing, but Logan's influence made it much much worse, and specifically attracted people that do not give a flying fuck about the community or the game itself into the space. However, people have ALWAYS been opening sealed with the intent of making profit from it - the difference is the people doing it use to actually care about the game, and would give back and provide for the community because they respected it.
@theholy1191
8 күн бұрын
Really glad that an OCG player calls out the TCG Players not knowing about the OCG mindset and playstyle as to why Maxx C isn't banned. Honestly, it could be applied to Master Duel also, even more actually.
@rodrigo.lamadrid
7 күн бұрын
Thank you for the section about Maxx C and the cultural differences between TCG and OCG. It was so interesting to watch that I even shared it with my friends!
@mortis8188
8 күн бұрын
As a TCG player seeing this kind of inside into OCG is very interesting especially the cultural differences when it comes to card games in general, since the most we usually see is tournament results.
@Remehdise
8 күн бұрын
the casual perspective is something i never see tcg youtubers mention as thats seemingly something they are not aware of. Thanks for the insight
@lemonice6368
8 күн бұрын
Finally a banlist breakdown video from someone that actually plays and understands OCG. Came across your channel in comment section of other OCG related videos from other TCG content creator and as an OCG player I really like your insights & explanation a lot 👍 Hope your video gets noticed more so ppl can understand more OCG cultures that they aren't aware of.
@deshtom
9 күн бұрын
From my Gimmick Puppet understanding, the only FTK that didn’t use 2 40 was the 1-card with the field spell. Because the field spell is unsearchable, and that combo lost to Imperm and Ogre without a 2nd card, it is a huge hit for the FTK.
@AljoschaW1993
8 күн бұрын
Is a good thing, I think they should do a FTK is the Deck but not so consistent
@unaffectedbycardeffects9152
3 күн бұрын
Time to play foolish burial goods with rainbow bridge of salvation
@AdequateDreamer
8 күн бұрын
Another TCG player chiming in to say that I would love to continue to hear your thoughts on the modern OCG. The Western KZitem and discussion scene badly needs more actual OCG player perspectives represented, and the conversation about how the TCG culture actually works for y'all was very enlightening.
@brandonwarthon6603
8 күн бұрын
This was intriguing as a Western TCG player.
@hi123452008
8 күн бұрын
Burning Abyss catching strays from Beatrice being limited
@jonaldjager
8 күн бұрын
Subscribed and Commenting for the algorithm. This was a great video dude. Awesome insight into the OCG. Like other comments have said it's awesome hearing someone who actually plays the OCG's opinion on these things. Would love to see more of this!
@lov3439
8 күн бұрын
This was VERY interesting to listen to as a TCG Yugioh player. Listening to what OCG is dealing with is what will potentially happen later or foreshadowing the meta in the future for TCG. Nice Vid
@mightybandito
8 күн бұрын
This was by far the best explanation on someone’s thoughts regarding hits on the list! Great work man!
@marks3684
7 күн бұрын
The other problem that also results in having more than 1 Colossus legal, besides having two indestructible floodgate monsters, is the fact that Colossus is somehow an extender as well. At least in the TCG, back when Colossus was still at 3, you had a lot of players just either Linking them off or using them as Xyz materials just to summon more negates or floodgates before bringing back a Colossus or summoning a 2nd or 3rd one. It was, in all honestly, outright jarring to see how Konami managed to screw up when designing this card.
@jtalkalot19
9 күн бұрын
You are the 2nd person I've listened to today and the first major OCG player to have a reasonable breakdown and thoughts about the banlist. TCG players here are just losing their mind, as they always do for any banlist, because they don't understand how the OCG works. All they see is maxx c at 3 and they go crazy. Thank you for your reaction and explanation.
@Luna-Starfrost
8 күн бұрын
Even most OCG players hate Maxx C and prefer the formats, like world formats where it's banned. What the crack are you on about.
@chewdoom8415
8 күн бұрын
@@Luna-Starfrost You completely misunderstood. They are saying that most tcg players lose their minds on why Maxx c is legal when they do not know anything about the culture and the consequences of Banning Maxx c without making hits to other problematic cards gradually over time
@Luna-Starfrost
8 күн бұрын
@@chewdoom8415 Let me guess, "MaXx c kEePs CoMbO dEcKs iN cHeCk"?
@shadowofdimentio4618
8 күн бұрын
Doesn’t really work in a post-master duel world where people know Maxx-c and all of its arguments. If you wanna say they’re wrong, go ahead but they very much understand
@Luna-Starfrost
8 күн бұрын
@@chewdoom8415 Dunno why KZitem flagged my previous comment, but I guess you also support the argument that Maxx C keeps combo decks "in check"?
@afiqazhar99
7 күн бұрын
I'm an OCG player and I agreed that we didn't even have the thought of banning maxx C. If anything we want Beatrice banned
@embDBA
8 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video, very insightful. I would love to see more content regarding the ocg
@Furan4su
4 күн бұрын
Subscribed! Would love to see more OCG content from you since I’m planning to stop playing TCG soon and buy AE cards instead
@elainasjournal5734
8 күн бұрын
It’s really nice to see an actual OCG player making a video about the OCG banlist and also showing the TCG players that they know nothing about how the game works here. It’s peak comedy whenever I see TCG players on Twitter say “oh this banlist doesn’t touch Maxx C at all, it’s just bad” and then go “why did they ban Catapult Turtle? is it because of Magical Scientist?”
@Griomio
8 күн бұрын
please keep uploading ur thoughts and explanations are very good
@EbbAndFlw
8 күн бұрын
This is the first vid I have seen from you, but the way you present your points is great and I would love to see more videos covering more OCG topics. Knowledge how well sets sell/are received in the OCG and well as the thought process you brought up on why Maxx C isn't banned are not things that most TCG players are aware of. Seeing more videos shedding light on topics like that would be cool.
@fernandorezende9676
8 күн бұрын
Nice video, love hearing explanations like that. Most people dont explain things that well
@AsagiriAya
7 күн бұрын
As a guy who wanted to play paper OCG for so long. This breakdown helps me understand both the banlist decision and the format a bit more. It also made me realize that INFO pretty much ruined an already bad format. And as you said we mostly played "casual" and/or pet decks because deck is cheap we can pretty much buy what we want to have fun. My current group consist of Melodious, FunnySynchro.dek,and HERO. So yes we are not going for a strong deck anytime soon. And as the gambling point. Yes, we definitely have an addiction. I buy packs just for funsy and for the fun of it. Heck My whole Solfachord deck was a result of me buying a bunch of Ancient Guardians box and then supplement then with staple later.
@simonpetrikov3992
2 күн бұрын
Hero is actually a relatively strong deck and so is melodious but that could be my bias from the tcg since I don’t know what hits melodious has and hero in the tcg have zero cards on the banlist
@VOLTSmotion
8 күн бұрын
Thank you for this insight!
@sheathvinz6451
7 күн бұрын
We need more OCG people talking about it. Thank you for speaking up bro.
@Shaman5EUSK
8 күн бұрын
Finally an OCG duelist talking about the OCG Banlist and not some TCG content creator trying to milk views 😂
@6210classick
8 күн бұрын
can ya blame them though? Konami TCG doesn't care about it's player base
@arrownoir
8 күн бұрын
Settle down. It’s Yugi oh people talk about, stop trying to gatekeep things.
@DarkSymphony777
7 күн бұрын
You mean a tcg player who just looks at maxx c and screeches
@lovethyenemies6702
2 күн бұрын
Agreed. It's more valuable to hear from someone actually competing in that format when it comes to banlist changes.
@queenofrodents
7 күн бұрын
This video popped up in my recommendeds when it dropped, and I gave it a watch then. As a TCG player mainly, I'd like to hear more about OCG differences. You have great insights for such a small channel, though it's probably due to you actually playing the OCG while mainly all the big names are TCG. This helped me understand why the OCG hasn't banned Maxx C like everyone outside of it was expecting. Going to see other videos on the OCG and players saying doom and gloom and "WHY NOT BAN MAXX C IF MULTCHUMMY??" while being TCG players seems silly now. Also, your very low editing and calm, normal voice makes watching you much easier compared to the overedited loud sensory overload slop some of these aforementioned creators release. I appreciate videos like that. I will also probably watch the Edison stuff to hear how my boy Caius is doing.
@Scraggless
8 күн бұрын
Really like the ocg content, +1 sub. Super interesting to hear your perspective, esp given how baffling their lists are in comparison to tcg
@MrBBAF
8 күн бұрын
Great video!
@rinkujoka232
7 күн бұрын
This is a good take as a fellow OCG player although you miss some minor key details (at my point of view) 1. You didn't mention the team format Konami experimenting on us lately.... In those format beatrice and s:p limited makes sense since only 1 player (or 2 if they decided to split) is allowed to run 1 bea 1 sp 2. The puppet ftk still good but not that consistent, since c40 needs a monster that has already a string counter before it procs its burn on summon... Their most go to strat now is to highroll the field spell on the opening combo 3. Other FTKs still exist (Bish, the world) but most of them lose to the roach 4. Speaking of roach... Yep I agree... The pet deck issue also modern archtypes are based on the roach game which this part mostly on Konami's fault 5. Consistency hits are fine (Having flashbacks on my pendulum magician before with tons of limited cards in the main deck and still winning locals till it got powercrept by Adaman format) P.s. I almost forgot.... Quik fix semi-limited again (the last one is kinda become disaster coz spyral dominates during that certain period of pandemic format aka post VW era where konami semi limit it and spyrals for some weird miracles dominates) hopefully this time spyral copers wont find any new toy to abuse (I still having the hate train coz of the tier 0 spyral before)
@njnj-re2mc
6 күн бұрын
Spyral is already cooking in Master Duel where it is now fully unlimited. Spyral Snake-Eyes can end on a V link board with I:P, Apollousa, Tri-gate, Firewall Singularity and Selene with Secret Village lock. + Sleeper. It's not very popular though, only a few people plays it.
@MaskedHEROVic
4 күн бұрын
8:02 Yes. Thank you, finally someone says it out loud
@NaroMediaView
4 күн бұрын
OMG hasta el MaskedHeroVic le llego el video😱😱😱😱
@ZEDEX252
7 күн бұрын
Honestly would love to see more perspective on how's the ocg doing from an actual ocg player. Keep doing what you're doing my man👍
@quassar4618
8 күн бұрын
New suscriber, interesting insight
@Ms666slayer
8 күн бұрын
"If you reprint Maxx C and then banned it not even a month later that will look bad" this reminds me of when around 2017 when in the TCG Konami released the Mega Tins which is a reprint set with pretty much every good card, and those tins in particular had Zoodiac and True Draco reprints which were the best decks at the time, well around 2 weeks passed and Konami pretty much anihilated True Draco and Zoodiac in the banlist, and everyone got pissed, the players and the selllers, because the product became worthless because the only good thing that the tins had was Zoodiac and True Draco. Also when the Super Heavy Samurai support was release the TCG banned Scarecrow like 3 weeks after the release, but no almost no one got mad about that because the format sucked.
@scythermantis
8 күн бұрын
I love hearing about the OCG please keep making the content.
@Thee9thAaroniero
8 күн бұрын
As a fellow TCG turned OCG player: Which region are you in? I'm in Japan and obviously the game can really be different compared to China for example. In terms of gameplay, at least where I play (Kyoto and Osaka Japan) while Fiendsmith is in a ton of decks, I haven't seen the degenerate stuff you have.Yes, it is annoying see the same cards being played in every deck. I really like your insight on not banning max c as well as the atmosphere/culture of having a bunch of different card games. You inspired me to consider uploading a video essay
@SunnyYGO
7 күн бұрын
It would be great if you uploaded a video as well. I am not from the same region, so I would like to compare differences
@yaminegira9239
8 күн бұрын
the beatrice warning limit makes less sense than the SP warning semi last time. SP at least had the excuse that it was a more recent card and you dont want people to feel like they wasted money on that 2nd copy that SOME decks ran but i might be wrong but i dont remember beatrice having a recent print in the OCG. so why even give warning shots on a card that has never been used for anything other than degen shit these days and limiting snake eyes ash when fiendsmith + beatrice just puts you in the same situation as facing branded in MD where they get to build a board while getting branded fusion. and like you said tenpai isnt as crazy as people make it out to be. tenpai was imo one of the better decks they made that actually focuses on going second and limiting the field spell just makes it so much more vulnerable cause despite what people think even tenpai isnt THAT consistent on playing thru a board without it.
@lemonice6368
8 күн бұрын
just some extra info regarding beatrice's reprint, beatrice got reprinted earlier this year in the QCCP set 👍
@four-en-tee
8 күн бұрын
This is something that the TCG does, but sometimes when a card is unnecessarily put to 1 as opposed to being banned, its meant to telegraph to the playerbase that the card is just on Konami's radar. Given that cards like Dragoon are banned in the OCG compared to the TCG, I could see SP getting banned for sure. This just gives people time to offload the card (although with how inexpensive the OCG is compared to the TCG, the practice seems a bit silly).
@David-hw9si
8 күн бұрын
I personally do not see a world where SP gets banned. Beatrice, maybe, but not SP
@sammydray5919
8 күн бұрын
Does SP really deserves the ban though? I think its a pretty great card but IP is what pushes it over the edge. So imo IP should get the axe not SP. Also ban Beatrice just on principle lol.
@David-hw9si
8 күн бұрын
@@sammydray5919 I personally find IP to be the "problem" here too and only will continue to get better because it is something that turns into another card. SP is either a problem solver or part of an end board so it should not be scaling up further. If you can't link it during your opponent's turn then it also cannot act as a double interaction.
@GG_Nowa
8 күн бұрын
@@sammydray5919IP is only as powerful as her targets. But sp is independently absurdly powerful and having a recursive removal option
@sammydray5919
8 күн бұрын
@@GG_Nowa My guy IP is only gonna get more and more absurd because every link 2 and higher monster (unless its VERY restricted in its summon requirements) will always be a potential target. IP no matter what will ALWAYS find ways to be abused because it has and will always have multiple of targets to choose from. SP is VERY strong. But without IP it will be FAR more manageable because its not an immediate disruption on summon like it is with IP. Without IP the opponent can't summon it on your turn so you dont have to worry about its first banish effect. That already makes it more bearable because you only have to worry about the second effect. Which is strong dont get me wrong but infinitely more manageable than having to deal with BOTH effects on your turn. Also as strong as SP is, without IP its not that broken imo. Super strong yes, but manageable and arguably pretty healthy because its a phenomenal tool for going second. So yeah... IP is the problem card here. Not SP as far as I am concerned.
@geek593
9 күн бұрын
All three modern formats suck right now.
@mrharvy100
8 күн бұрын
Yup. You see plenty of TCG players complaining about their last banlist update too
@donaxygo
8 күн бұрын
yes but we're not doing anything about it other than complain. we'll keep playing the game and buy cards so idk why we even bother complaining
@avatarmufasa3628
8 күн бұрын
@@mrharvy100 Its practically a conversation starter in any locals you could go to. Itll lead to something more interesting
@Groxworld1
6 күн бұрын
Hi, speaking as someone from the OCG as well, I'd like to throw in a couple of my personal takes and anecdotal experiences (although I haven't played paper OCG as much, though that is relevant to this) I go to locals with a friend of mine, mostly to hang out, everyone there plays more than one card game (Weiss Schwarz and Vanguard mostly), I was quite new there since I only joined after Master Duel came out, so I was out of the loop on a lot of things, but one of the things I did notice is that part of the reason why you might hear certain OCG players talk about how "no one complains about Maxx C" there (note: please important that an anecdotal story from one OCG player is not reflective of every OCG player's experience) is that if you're *that* sick of Maxx C, odds are you just quit The sunk cost fallacy in OCG is, I assume, nowhere near as catastrophic as TCG and the constant nightmarish things I hear about pricing, and considering it's very easy to market new card games to you, why wouldn't you just move on to One Piece or Digimon or something if Maxx C is hurting your experience *that* bad? I noticed this as I was talking to some of the One Piece player, and while Maxx C itself isn't the sole reason for their quitting, it can play a role, maybe more than you'd imagine In some way, that's also kind of like my own experience, I hate Maxx C with a passion, I'm aware of the variety of cultural reasons why it's here, I think this culture is a horrible cyclical problem when decks like Superheavy Samurai are seemingly balanced around Maxx C existing and so we have archetypes designed around Maxx C, more often than not for the worse when you include decks like Adamancipator still legal with Block Dragon, I'm so sick of this that I just opted to play TCG on unofficial simulators as to not get priced gouged on shit like S:P, I do have cards I miss like Zenmaity and Electrumite, but having to contest Maxx C every fucking duel sucks so much that I would unironically rather play the sometimes overkill TCG list because I actually get to play YGO and not Maxx C turbo Of course (and I have to reiterate this due to how TCG talks about the OCG), we are not a monolith, understand every one of us have very different backgrounds and experiences about this, I'm most likely less tolerant of Maxx C because I started out from MD and my first format is Drytron-Eldlich, my average experience with YGO is getting full comboed by Drytron and then being dropped Maxx C, all the while I couldn't even afford my own Maxx C just from trying to learn the game, and the moment I did shift into paper, it was just to play with friends, I also play an amount of slow decks (Paleo, Plunder, Ninja) that gets hosed on by Maxx C and doesn't even combo as hard if at all, so it's particularly infuriating for me that I would go so far as to just play TCG unofficially
@b1acksteve
5 күн бұрын
Nice to hear some actual OCG analysis from an actual OCG player. And not from the tcg "professional" groups that has gaslit themselves into thinking maxx c will be the death of the game. Ignoring the fact that the roach is over a decade old at this point and the OCG is still going. OCG must be dying the slowest death ever known to man.
@AmanoJack00
4 күн бұрын
A very slow death while still being the second best in top sales after pokemon. TCG seethers can't imagine that.
@b1acksteve
4 күн бұрын
@@AmanoJack00 And I say all that as a tcg player.
@AmanoJack00
4 күн бұрын
@@b1acksteve sometimes it's really disheartening to see this schism happening just because of konami being greedy, we all want a good game, whether it's TCG or OCG or MD enjoyers.
@shawnjavery
2 күн бұрын
I do think that the ocg ban list is legit terrible, but you can 100% balance a format around maxx c. They have done clown actions like limiting VFD before banning it, and semi kaiser after a whole format of it just taking games because its ignorant. Card of demise is at 3, fairy tail snow is still legal, so is that grass looks greener. Not to mention a stupid card like block dragon, I don't even think adams or any strategy that would abuse it would be particularly good, that card just makes games incredible toxic and miserable to play. Whole decks end up being built around abusing the plus 3 and the extra bodies it gives you.
@vaxel0068
4 күн бұрын
One really good point is the culture of hobby VS competitive that the OCG and TCG have regarding product and their expectations on return for their investment. The TCG is pretty much allergic to buying sealed product if there's no chance that they at least break even in their pulls, which means that they'd rather go to the secondary market for the certainty. The thing is, someone has to buy boxes to pull the card so that they can sell it to you and they need to make a profit as well, this is the reason the TCG is so expensive. I think konami knows this and this is the reason they don't adopt the rarity system the OCG has, a set won't sell if people can buy whatever they want for cheap without needing to buy a box.
@LightshaverConstellation
8 күн бұрын
Subscribing since this is how I wish more people spoke about the ocg. I always preferred the culture difference of the ocg from what I heard or read in small bits.
@avatarmufasa3628
8 күн бұрын
I found the video fascinating. I was unaware of the casual culture, though it makes sense given howexpensive it is here, investing £120+ into a playset of triple tactics thrusts is an investment, i expect good returns on investments. Something to note is that I want maxx c banned as i fear it affects card design in the ocg, and thus when we recieve cards in the tcg, we get a lil overlooked (and our design team isnt as powerful as the ocg design team, so all our influence typically goes out the window)
@BoltSpider
8 күн бұрын
I really appreciate this video, I would love to hear more insights from more OCG players. Even though I am mainly on the TCG side, I always look at what is happening in the OCG and seeing a bunch of the disgusting things happening or cards legal in the format like Maxx "C" p.s. I do agree that Beatrice should be banned, and it should've happened a while ago.
@kawinchayaporn490
8 күн бұрын
As, OCG player and play snake-eyes, I not happy too, yes I can still play but SE is exist long enough, they should be gone. At this ban list now make Fiend Smith + Beatrice is very hard carry all 3 fire deck(R-ACE, Fire King both pure and SE, pure SE) This ban list will perfect if they ban Beatrice and Yubel has some hit.
@user-of8gd2ix5i
8 күн бұрын
Ty for vid
@alwaystired4506
8 күн бұрын
Darn, I was really hopeful, but I didn’t think about that perspective. I’m also in the OCG, but I guess I pay more attention to the TCG so I never thought of the casual players. I still really like Multchummy and am hopeful that one day we could get replacements for the stupid roach, but even if that does happen I guess it’ll still take a while.
@yuugael4010
8 күн бұрын
more ocg content please we have a saturated tcg view on youtube while OCG feels neglected just because of "Maxx-C"
@GSchneeglockchen
5 күн бұрын
woah this blew up, hopefully there will be more ocg content creators to bridge conversations for both formats
@TCGMetalZ
8 күн бұрын
Honestly if you made more ocg content I'd watch every video. It's a very needed perspective
@iamabucket13
8 күн бұрын
While I absolutely agree with what you said about Japan's "random purchase" culture being stronger, Konami TCG is not properly taking advantage of the existing "random purchase" culture the west has. With rarity bumping and mostly worthless sets, they force players to buy an absurd amount of packs to either pull high-rarity mandatory cards for competitive play, or high-rarity engine pieces for casual decks like Shining Sarcophagus and Blue-Eyes, pricing out a majority of potential players. Pokemon has it figured out. People all across the world are willing to open packs for the thrill of the hunt, the chance at something special. But TCG players are forced to partake for minimally viable decks. The OCG caters to their casual audience, while the TCG actively pushes them away.
@comettcg8830
7 күн бұрын
fellow ocg player here, pretty much agree with your point, but let me chime in the cope. They just don't want to make that bog of a change FOR NOW. Worlds are coming, fiendsmith is still pretty new, etc. etc. is just some reason they hold their big banlist. They must know what's going on on player side if they put catapult turtle and 'notice' beatrice. For now the biggest issue is beatrice, and while the list literally don't do anything in practice, I just can cope they will do it next banlsit after world. For maxx C as you said, we just accept it for now not to mention the tactical try deck, if they do something about it, interesting. If not, well it is what it is, we've been living like that
@redgadgetyugioh
9 күн бұрын
Maybe its just my speakers, but the audio on my end is bad. Great video otherwise! I don't really care that much about OCG, but it's interesting to see and learn more. Thanks for that!
@SunnyYGO
8 күн бұрын
Sorry about that. I broke my mic a couple months ago, and that’s kinda when I stopped uploading a lot. I might try and get another one, but I don’t upload enough for it. Appreciate the support as well!
@YugiNolo
8 күн бұрын
Located in Japan? I play OCG in Hokkaido, lot of similar sentiments and experiences to what you’ve shared
@luxord7894
8 күн бұрын
As a tcg player any insight to how the ocg is going is greatly appreciated in my opinion.
@driptcg
8 күн бұрын
Nice video, and insights on the Asian perspective of card games
@maxa7535
8 күн бұрын
Id love to keep hearing more insight from an OCG player
@TheAverageGatsby
8 күн бұрын
Oh wow, this was hands down the best video I've seen regarding this subject. Not only do you actually know what you're talking about, the last half about card game culture was wildly interesting. Would you ever be down for a short interview?
@SunnyYGO
7 күн бұрын
I think it would be difficult to schedule an interview with my timezone and work schedule, but I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have if you message me on discord or just leave them in the comments. Thank you for the compliments!
@TheAverageGatsby
7 күн бұрын
@@SunnyYGO what is your discord ID?
@SunnyYGO
7 күн бұрын
@@TheAverageGatsby sunnyafterdark
@reilsoneill8756
8 күн бұрын
Good video
@rixia_ygo
8 күн бұрын
I have arguments in discord over these exact topics but people refuse to listen to me because I'm a Western player in MD/TCG, glad to see someone on the other side who agrees and understands.
@yardship
8 күн бұрын
would love for you to be any given TCG streamer's OCG friend because it's so much speculating about the OCG without knowledge
@Joker-yq4mn
5 күн бұрын
ocg player here, good to see some competitive ocg on youtube. It is so hard to find good competitive ocg contents here. Whenever I search for yugioh, either I would see some pack openings/fan decks duel/skits etc.
@NARFNra
8 күн бұрын
I played Spyral on Master Duel for some time, occasionally I still do. I'm not sure that the 3 Quik Fix is going to be a problem. Spyral is a strong deck uninterrupted. But it's a lot like other combo decks in that it goes crazy only so long as opponent has no hand traps. The summon of Master Plan is often very vulnerable to stuff like D.D. Crow, if you don't have the field spell yet Imperm gets you, it's hard to protect yourself from Nibiru in any realistic sense... I think the main thing three Quik Fix provides you is the ability to try to play Machine Duplication builds like people used to when the deck was first good, which does make your ceiling extremely strong. But that's really the thing - your ceiling is high, but you have to get lucky. It's also definitely one of those Adamancipator style decks that does worse in a Maxx C format because you will just randomly lose games to the card and there's no plan B to mitigate the damage, you have to play into it or you won't end with even a single meaningful interaction. Its in-archetype interaction is okay but outdated, it relies really heavily on stuff like Tri-Gate as the only way to protect itself from Evenly, and so on... I think the deck is okay, but I'm skeptical it will be able to compete in the modern era.
@bballhunter2988
8 күн бұрын
More current OCG videos please.
@flyboy5500
8 күн бұрын
Amazing education about maxx c for a westerner. Thank you 🙏
@TheSchranksalat
7 күн бұрын
Great Video, was very fun to learn about OCG meta and especially the underlying culture. Just curious, are you living in Japan and do you speak the language? Just wondering because recently there has been some information floating around the internet around OCG store owners not letting foreign people compete in their tournaments.
@SunnyYGO
7 күн бұрын
I felt a bit uncomfortable answering exactly where, but I do not live in Japan, I live in a different Asian country and I am fluent so there’s no issue with language when playing. Is it true that Japan doesn’t allow you to play unless you are native? There are foreigners commenting in this video saying they play in Japan. My guess would be that if you can speak the language there’s probably no issue, but I am not knowledgeable here. Many Asian yugioh players can use Japanese to communicate because they need to read the new cards. In my experience from traveling, playing in foreign countries hasn’t been an issue because a lot of East Asian players can speak either two major East Asian languages and English, so it’s easy to find a common language.
@hatefulgaming1800
7 күн бұрын
I was gonna make a point about kashtira being able to banish Sp and Beatrice but than I remembered OCG Kashtira is nerfed into oblivion
@AljoschaW1993
8 күн бұрын
More OCG Content pls, is like Master duel with MaxC so you have knowledge which Decks will be good and so on
@woofwoofdoggo
8 күн бұрын
Let it all out, brother.
@spritesandco
8 күн бұрын
As a tcg player I really enjoyed this video
@ratioed1438
6 күн бұрын
The presence of Maxx C is what's preventing Spyral from booming in popularity on platforms like Master Duel. If Maxx C got banned then there would have to be serious consideration to banning Spyral Masterplan as the deck is still fully capable of setting up ftks and handloops.
@ryionizer3622
8 күн бұрын
I dont think any of us were actually expecting Maxx c to be banned here (although admittedly this banlist did have the highest chance in a long time of that Happening) but even disregarding that entirely this banlist is just horrible for many many other reasons
@justtypical7183
4 күн бұрын
Yea more of these videos like this would be great
@lukebennett6835
8 күн бұрын
Can you explain how you trigger the effect damage on angel of blue tears please?
@saito853
8 күн бұрын
Demonsmith fusion can burn when it hits the GY.
@CMaxoknight31
8 күн бұрын
finallly someone with knowledge about ocg is talking about ocg (in a language we understand)
@hydrochloride6427
8 күн бұрын
Spyral snake eyes in master duel can 1 card starter U-Link ur board ❤ apo selene/secret village trigate masq n firewall singularity. The U-link combo plays thru nib too.
@nightknight498
8 күн бұрын
At this point I'm just looking forward to Worlds. The OCGs consistency hits and the TCGs slaughter approach colliding has always been an interesting format to witness.
@-Siknakaliux-II
7 күн бұрын
Discovered the series in December last year and started with Duel link and Master duel a while later. Don't play much so I don't really understand anything (meta, etc) Video's interesting though.
@charlesfort6602
8 күн бұрын
Those arguments about maxx c make sense for OCG, but they have no ground when it comes to Master Duel. The playerbase is not only decently competitive on average, its also mixed with TCG, and even if that wasn't as important, the banlist already did damage to pet decks. We have block dragon already banned to take example from this video. The reason why TCG players (like me) even remotley care about OCG having or not having Maxx C is because of Master Duel, and we are just waiting for any sings of hope. When we debate about OCG banning Maxx C its really just copium inhaling for Master Duel.
@SunnyYGO
7 күн бұрын
I think I didn't communicate myself very clearly during the video. When I say the OCG has far more casual players, I mean if you attend a locals, there will be a very large portion of the players there playing some completely uncompetitive rogue deck, not that they have uncompetitive technical play. For example, I would not consider myself to be a strong player, but I can maintain Master 1 in Master Duel with very little difficulty every season (just by playing games on the metro to work), and I believe the players playing these uncompetitive decks at locals can easily do so as well. Additionally, I believe Master Duel has a very lax banlist relative to most formats. Block Dragon is a good counter-example, but it is one of the only examples of Master Duel truly ruining a deck. I think Master Duel is doing a relatively good job making sure decks are playable with their main engine, and that's due to their focus on consistency hits. For example, Master Duel is the only format where Kashtira is still a deck with Ariseheart, and Tear is still a deck with Kitkallos. Both are still playable albeit a bit inconsistent. But this is an example where I think Master Duel actually supports that they would prefer not to kill decks if possible and that's partially why Maxx C is still legal. I also think that the perspective that Master Duel should just ban Maxx C from the perspective of western players is a bit flawed. A lot of eastern players want Maxx C legal, so although I would personally prefer if Maxx C were not legal, I can understand why it is not banned at the current moment.
@charlesfort6602
4 күн бұрын
@@SunnyYGO Thanks for the response, it's very well written and I can get behind your arguments. Spright is another interesting example, where we technically have all the cards legal, even Elf, but because of how mamy semi limits and limits we have it's not very good. The Maxx C debate is naturally very subjective in nature, and we TCG players are very vocal about it by default because we got the shorter end of the stick when it comes to the bug (by that I mean we were forced with the ocg banlist from day 1). I can imagine it could have been the opposite if Maxx C was banned from the beginning but well, that's just how things are. One thing I would like to point out tho; the recent Master Duel events/festivals. For the past 4 or so main events, alongside most of the uninteractive floodgates and stunk cards, Konami has actually completely banned Maxx C (not counting WCQ of course). I think this is quite peculiar, because it seems that they fully understand and agree that Maxx C is a very unhealthy and toxic card, and yet they keep it in the main game. I'm not sure what to make up from that. Have a good day and thanks for the response again
@Junglewarfare
8 күн бұрын
wish we had that petdeck, casual culture in the tcg
@shawnjavery
8 күн бұрын
People do that, just mostly in other card games. Its pretty much what commander is, which can skew even more casual as well. Yugioh just seems to be a more comp game over here.
@jazzyjefffogel
8 күн бұрын
People were saying that Beatrice was set to 1 for 3v3 format
@BlackBeartic229
5 күн бұрын
Trust me when I say you're doing a godsend being an english speaking OCG player voicing complaints (if needed) Too many OCG fans in comment sections (ima call them elitists because I truly don't think they play OCG) say "OCG Format is perfect :D" I think ima drop a sub, you earned it :)
@SnackMuay
9 күн бұрын
I love hearing your explanation of differences between OCG culture and TCG culture. Also, you play master duel? And if so, will you play in the 2010 event? Also also; I’ve heard that Amsa says Japan is less interested in melee (compared to ultimate) because there is a greater appreciation of “new” things. It seems like western culture loves to revisit retro games, whether it’s smash brothers, yugioh, pokemon, or even something like Tetris. Have you noticed a lack of interest in retro yugioh that aligns with Amsa’s observation about Japan?
@SunnyYGO
8 күн бұрын
I’ll probably play in the 2010 MD event, but it’s sadly tier 0 Sam format and not Edison. As for the comment aMSa made, I’m not sure. I’m not the biggest expert on Japan, and my country is a bit different because it industrialized much later. This means it didn’t really have access to global media as early as other countries so older things are still popular today. My personal trainer for example still replays Pokemon Emerald as his only form of gaming. Retro yugioh is definitely not a thing in my country though, but it’s probably because we just didn’t have many players that were playing back then. Yugioh exploded in popularity recently.
@LexAnarchy
3 күн бұрын
I agree with the other comments, please do more OCG videos!!
@ryionizer3622
8 күн бұрын
Also IMO regarding rank 6s as long as the tractus lurrie package exists there's really no reason to run Caesar in a series deck like snake eyes of fiendsmith Yubel (I call it fiendlink)
@ryionizer3622
8 күн бұрын
Also also snake eye oak being able to interact with banished fires is one of the most frustrating design choices recently
@Milkydere
8 күн бұрын
please make more OCG content!
@plantland7205
8 күн бұрын
really good video but I am confused why people act like he has a completly different view on this list than tcg players. Most of the things he said is also the generally accepted opinion of the tcg. There are some yugioh players/content creators that said something different, but mostly it seems to be the same things said in this video.
@elainasjournal5734
8 күн бұрын
Most TCG content creators are just like “Oh this list doesn’t ban Maxx C? It’s bad then”
@SunnyYGO
7 күн бұрын
To be honest, I'm a little bit confused the video had such a positive reception as well. I didn't think I said anything too abnormal
@dhantefranklin336
6 күн бұрын
Correct.
@DarkSymphony777
7 күн бұрын
Hello sunny. As someone who has to keep an eye on the meta (i play casual duels on emulators and a lot of people love to point fingers on anything being a meta deck, so i have to keep a watch) it has made me curious on things that I've always had a inkling on but never knew if i could get confirmation. So, can i ask if its true or not that ocg players tend to prefer more control style decks over the tcg preferring combo decks
@elainasjournal5734
7 күн бұрын
From what I’ve seen at my local, players don’t prefer control decks, they either play what they like or play meta. But one difference in deck building principles is that we usually have a plan for playing longer games since there will be turns we have to do less under Maxx C.
@DarkSymphony777
7 күн бұрын
@@elainasjournal5734 hmmm interesting. i only ask because while i do try to keep track of the ocg, i don't really know any of the mindsets behind it all, i just know the tcg and ocg have different mindsets.
@elainasjournal5734
7 күн бұрын
@@DarkSymphony777 well we don’t really have plants link winning multiple events so I guess that’s the difference
@AmanoJack00
6 күн бұрын
Just like how in TCG people have plays around nibiru, in OCG they also have that AND plays if they get roached.
@DarkSymphony777
6 күн бұрын
@elainasjournal5734 have a friend who plays plant link. The amount of times people will call the deck meta and quit on my casual server is hilarious and sad. They won, one world champion and everyone will hold it against him. For shame
@ELMONOLOCO-ko3fy
6 күн бұрын
Very nice video! I always knew complains from TCG players about OCG were most of the time ignorant and also the fact they over-rate their format way too much and basically ditch OCG and MD players as stupid because of Maxx C existence. Your channel could become very big having content such as this, also from the OCG perspective you could talk the real talk TCG yugitubers won't engage: card and deck pricings, buyouts, card speculation, card design philosophy, conflict of interest when content is sponsored by konami, short printings, high rarities, which is the most PayToWin format and so on comparing all of them!
@ShayneRawls
8 күн бұрын
Do you play OCG in Japan or in the west?
@georgschwingerchen39
8 сағат бұрын
Nice video. But why is Maxx C not banned yet in OCG?
@KeshavKrishnan
8 күн бұрын
Quik fix is fine, master plan is the scarier main deck spyral card imo. If that card comes back in multiples, then maybe spyral would be scary. With stuff like gimmick puppet ftk tho, I don't think it's that bad atm
@Danielss250
6 күн бұрын
Pretty cool and informative video. Now I have a feel things so say about maxx "c", now keep in mind i'm not saying you're wrong as your explanation makes sense and I can see that's exactly what konami thinks about the ocg. Still keeping the card legal doesn't actually do anything to help pet deckers because there is no restriction on the card, and the super combo deck can do full combo and still activate maxx C, but I do get that simply by existing, ppl should be dissuaded to use heavy combo decks. The solution to this would be very simple, they just print a new maxx C that the super combo heavy deck going first cannot take advantage of and ban the old maxx C. I really don't know why it took so long for konami to even attempt to do anything about this.
@anthonycisneros848
8 күн бұрын
Funnily enough, that was kinda my theory on why maxx c is still legal in ocg from a tcg mind. The game would just blow up because you'd have to hit so many cards in such a short amount of time if maxx c would get banned first. Too much change in such short notice would have ocg players actually drop the game as opposed to the masochist tcg players who've been hoarding their maxx c's in an attempt to cash out.
@elainasjournal5734
8 күн бұрын
The vocal TCG players are just trying to force their “opinion” on Maxx C on another format that they don’t even play nor understand. They just love citing the same lines from those two Hardleg videos and then proceed to call OCG format “inferior” because we still have Maxx C.
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