I take my Model 3 Performance on track days as a backup to my MR2 track car. I charge at RV plugs at the track and at nearby ChaDEmo chargers (or a Supercharger at one track), and at Road Atlanta for example I'll get in about 50 laps in a day compared to 60 in the MR2. OEM brake pads are the limiting factor (I had them smoking in a few hot laps), and even UP's sport brake pads weren't really up to the challenge of repeated 138-45mph braking at 1G (PS4S street tires) so I had to baby the brakes to get through a track day. Cobalt Friction just released pads for it and I've picked them up - hope to try them out soon. As far as power reduction, it does happen but it isn't bad. I'll get 3-5 laps at full power using Track Mode (which precools the battery/etc and runs cooling at higher rates, in addition to handling changes), then the rest of the session is pretty much at that same point. It doesn't reduce the fun, but you don't have the same snap coming out of corners and top speed is a few mph lower. That is much different than my 2012 Model S that I took to the track, where power limits would keep dropping until eventually I couldn't pass a Miata on the straight and I would pull off when I felt like a moving chicane. It's nowhere near the best track car, but it does an adequate job as a backup. The way it handles torque transfer in the corner with Track Mode is pretty amazing though.
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply! That's great to hear, and I hope to try one on track one day! 👍
@timo1383
3 жыл бұрын
Even while driving a M3P myself, I cannot stop watching others flooring it.
@Sebastian-ll2co
3 жыл бұрын
Amen to that!
@synfpv9097
3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@PFCKruger
3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that more than I expected. I have to admit I actually was impressed by some Tesla drivers last year, watching them from the side of the track. One carryed so much speed through Schwedenkreuz I thought the guy is gonna crash. But after a little bit of a nose dive and some tail wiggling it just made the turn. I have to watch some Bagger videos now to keep my environmental footprint intact.
@Russ247music
3 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video and start to BTG off track! Well done Dale keep it coming mate! I wish I could drive a Tesla!
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@monsterchannel24
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see that with your experience you also could imagine to own a Tesla, Dale. I rented a M3P for 2 months and 4.000 kilometers at the end of last year to buy a new American V8 afterwards. And I regret it. Once you spent time on the road with Tesla vehicles, you will never forget it and I also think about changing my V8 into a M3P or the facelifted Model S next year.
@felixmp4247
3 жыл бұрын
We’ve bought a Model X two years ago and last month we‘ve bought an Renault Zoe. We‘ll never buy a old fashioned car with an internal combustion engine again. After two years of driving electric, every other car feels damaged or completely broken.
@Yachtzeee
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned a white/white version for a few months now. I also own exotics, and track all my cars. I have been extremely happy with my M3P. Fantastic built car!
@TeslaDo_d
3 жыл бұрын
The Model S Plaid and the Plaid + will be the quickest stock production cars ever made. That is the distinction that everyone misses. The drivers of the Model S Plaid and + will be able to view any road worthy car they wish by taking a peek at the rear view mirror.
@TeslaDo_d
3 жыл бұрын
And, they are 5 passenger family sedans!
@sukhshantiom8823
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, here in U.S. the Tesla M3P is much cheaper than the Mercedes C63S, $55k vs $80k, so not technically the "same" price. M3P value is untouchable at the moment!
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, at that price I wouldn't even hesitate for a fast daily
@kerogre256
3 жыл бұрын
That opinion regarding charging at 23:14 is one of the biggest misconception ... if you don't live in huge block of flats you don't need to go to charging station ever if you don't drive 200 km per day. You just plug it overnight.
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
For my daily routine, I doubt I'd ever even use a charging station. But it's the first question that so many people ask...
@happybeerlove
3 жыл бұрын
Great review Dale 👍 I'm definitely no Tesla fanboy but I reckon this is the first one that I'd genuinely consider
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@paulvanrooij
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video Dale, I liked that! More to come in the near future? I must say your corona-haircut had some serious ‘business in the front, party in the back’ going on there!
@mattiparviainen607
3 жыл бұрын
Great and interesting vid. Also nice to see those countryroads - cannot wait to come there again when possible. Keep up the good work :)
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks! I can't wait for the borders to open up again too
@eriklken7415
3 жыл бұрын
I have testet all the teslas, they still lack in build quality, service and aftermarket parts. For a daily, it`s ok if you have the free charge or can charge at home. As soon you pass 120 km/H, the BMW M and AMG is parking the model 3. Advantage is from 0-120.
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to put an AMG head to head with the Tesla on the same day and track, to see where the performance differences are. They're definitely like chalk and cheese.
@carboresross
3 жыл бұрын
You sure about that Erik? kzitem.info/news/bejne/p3yL26iaqod-dmk&ab_channel=carwow I previously had an M4 and I would say it is more like 200km/H where the M4 would be reeling it in.
@ashtorak
3 жыл бұрын
@@BTGDale Track day on the Ring with them would be great to see :)
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
@@ashtorak Oh yes! Maybe a Tesla group on the next BTG trackday?
@carboresross
3 жыл бұрын
@@BTGDale I'm in!
@avantgardeV8
3 жыл бұрын
Great pro video- trank you very much. Get my Model 3 Performance on the 10. of March.
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Have fun! It's a rather weird, fast and slightly crazy car! It's on my wish list, for sure.
@matthijsborgdorff7766
3 жыл бұрын
Your perspective on this car is extremely valuable! To me at least.
@felixmp4247
3 жыл бұрын
Misha has measured the 2021 M3 Performance with around 525 horsepower🔥
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that was the very same car as this. No wonder that both Ali and me thought this car didn't feel like 450hp at all!
@batandball617
3 жыл бұрын
I’ll be intrigued to see how Mountainpass develop this car with regard to cooling the battery and drive train. I’ve watched Micha from Apex drive a couple of laps in different Tesla M3’s, one pretty standard and one with brake and suspension upgrades. Some exciting times ahead for electric performance vehicles hopefully, on this epic channel! Great content, thanks for sharing!
@peterzerfass4609
3 жыл бұрын
Great vid...immediately recognized those roads :) Used to take my smart roadster and motorbikes round these stretches. Unfortunately not living there anymore or I would have taken my Model 3 also round these parts. Radio telescope Effelsberg is always worth a sunday trip with a lot of fun on the roads there and back. I enjoyed my previous vehicles enormously - but I could now never imagine going back to an ICE vehicle. It just feels so antiquated. And yes - even if you hammer it you are using way less energy than an ICE car. The energy/resources is also far, far less than used to make a fossile fuel car and produce those fossil fuels themselves. They don't come out of the ground fully refined. So your break-even point until you offsetthe more resources/energy needed to make a battery is around 30k km. Given that ICE cars last on average 250k km - and EVs potentially double or even triple that - that's an amazing deal for us in terms of financial investment...and the environment) (Small inaccuracies regarding "laptop batteries", hydrogen and solid state batteries in the vid...but these are rather technical subjects, so the issue with these is more in the details)
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter! Thanks for the constructive reply! I'll be really interested to see how the world gears up for renewal/recycling of EVs. It seems a no-brainer, as the number of moving parts are an order of magnitude lower on an EV, therefore it should be easier to keep them going.
@peterzerfass4609
3 жыл бұрын
@@BTGDale Agreed. Batteries will get a second life (after some degradation in cars they are far from useless). They can still serve decades as home power backup or in grid storage applications where loads and environmental variability - and therefore degradation - are far lower. Eventually they'll be recycled because this is much cheaper than getting new materials for new batteries. As for the moving parts: electric motors are contactless. The only parts that experience any wear are the bearings - and those are cheap. The "gearbox" is also not complicated so I'm not expecting any repairs there.
@trakmeister
3 жыл бұрын
Good review. I always enjoy the brilliant roads round the Ring😀
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@carboresross
3 жыл бұрын
Great review! Mirrors the feelings I have for my car and I haven't had chance to try it on the autobahns yet...
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
You should!
@carboresross
3 жыл бұрын
@@BTGDale I will! (Ross P)
@fr3238
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! But it doesn't have 455HP, it's about 520HP on the wheels.
@sketchpro12
3 жыл бұрын
thanks
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@SaadAhmed3000
3 жыл бұрын
that 'whistle' is the motors
@TheTopgeartv
3 жыл бұрын
Great to see all the roads near the ring. But... we all need to stop saying battery cars aren't environmentally friendly, we all need to pretend they are so we can keep driving!!
@stephenlongfield8492
3 жыл бұрын
Just sold mine and into a Giulia Quadrifoglio. I don’t miss it
@sukhshantiom8823
3 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. = your bank account
@stephenlongfield8492
3 жыл бұрын
@@sukhshantiom8823 it’s utterly fantastic and my bank balance is better off 👍
@Encourageable
3 жыл бұрын
Good luck when you try to sell your Giulia - the market for used petrol cars is going to be essentially gone in a few years.
@rockyroad1780
3 жыл бұрын
These are incredible cars for sure, and a big part of the future. But as you said I remember reading/hearing that you can build and drive a fiat panda for 100,000 miles with less carbon footprint than just producing a car like this. I’d rather have an electric car that does 500 miles to a charge with 200bhp that allows me to keep my old dinosaur petrol for driving over to the ring!
@plonk7
3 жыл бұрын
You may remember hearing that but it is total bollocks. Have a look here: www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-how-electric-vehicles-help-to-tackle-climate-change
@matthijsborgdorff7766
3 жыл бұрын
@@plonk7 Actually ended up reading the whole thing, haha. Good info!
@peterzerfass4609
3 жыл бұрын
A Fiat Panda is not a comparable car. If you look at a comparable car (like a BMW3 or Mercedes C-class) then the break-even is around 30k km. And that is, if you assume they will last equal amount of km until being retired. But if you look at fleets of Teslas (e.g. Tesloop et al) then It looks like EVs outlast ICE cars by a factor of 2 or 3 (ICE cars last around 250k km on average according to statistisches Bundesamt) These Teslas are all already in the 500k to 800k km range without showing signs of increased maintenance needs). That's huge and puts the carbon footprint of ICE cars already way above that of an EVs in terms of energy/CO2/raw material for production investment (also in terms of investment for the individual owner by a gigantic margin. If I have to buy one EV while the other guy has to buy 3 carsfor the same km range driven: Who do you think comes out ahead financially?)
@PaddyMcQueen
3 жыл бұрын
8:30 it would be interesting to know the battery consumption during that run... amd the time needed to recharge it. From a normal socket. Amd repeat that run on a normal weather not at -10 °C But the most important thing is that instead of taking that car I will reather enjoy a ride on a normal GT86. Because of the experience. Pure numbers are boring. I ve drove the same model 3 and it was a huge disappointement. Built quality, ergonomics, chassis handling, brake fading, and the loss of performances when the battery are hot.
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
I didn't want to jump into testing, as the conditions weren't conducive to accurate numbers. And where's the comparison? There is none. It was just me in a car for a morning. But regarding brake fade, I'd need to take it on track to find out more about that.
@PaddyMcQueen
3 жыл бұрын
@@BTGDale thx for the answer. Of course it must be repeated in optimal conditions. I experienced fade already on streets, depending on track it will be maybe even worse. The comparaison I made was about personal experience.
@SaadAhmed3000
3 жыл бұрын
the amount of energy required to create an electric car is an order of magnitude less than the energy used by ICE cars. it's not even close LOL.
@borinvlogs
3 жыл бұрын
G80 M3 xDrive does 0 to 100 kmh in 3 secs and pulls all the way to 300 kmh like hell. What do you mean Tesla is superior?
@loose_unit
3 жыл бұрын
The Model S drives better on stock suspension - Sadly on the Nürburgring the battery overheats after about 30% of the track ... I hope the new Plaid + has better battery cooling!
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
The new Model S Plaid is high on my wish list...
@loose_unit
3 жыл бұрын
@@BTGDale My friend has a Plaid+ on order - I will hopefully get to lap it around the 'ring when he get's it!
@haraldsbaumanis
3 жыл бұрын
All new models X/S will have the new heat pump from Y/3. Besides, Plaid+ will have the new 4680 cell batteries which should have next to none overheating problems because of the cell design. We will first see the new cells in action in the model Y from Berlin though.
@Nick-dz4ml
3 жыл бұрын
I'd reckon even a citroen c1 is more fun because of the engine etc
@BTGDale
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'll take my #club1000 Yaris on the same route! Not sure it's worth a video though?
@Nick-dz4ml
3 жыл бұрын
@@BTGDale haha i meant on a track like the nurburgring, sorry. Love your videos on the yaris!
@Nick-dz4ml
3 жыл бұрын
@Moe haha exactly! The sensation is wayy more important than the numbers are!
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