I'm riding a Diamondback XR1 (around 2000) and it's safe to say that it feels a lot different to modern bikes. I went from a budget hardtail (that I'd upgraded heavily) with modern geometry to an older full suspension with outdated geometry. No matter how far back I reach, I still feel over the bars, so descending can be dangerous sometimes. I still love it and I'm going out on a ride today!
@erikd6124
Жыл бұрын
I went from old full sus 2005 giant bra to modern HT Orbea laufey. You hade to weigh the front when going slow on the flat. But you can take turns mutch faster and harder if you push the newe bike.
@LaurentiusTriarius
Жыл бұрын
I still have most of my old high end bikes, mostly for nostalgia, I'd take my wife modern 1k trek hardtail over any of them for any ride over 10 min...
@guitarlessonsnow3431
Жыл бұрын
Was the “aloominum” for your US viewers?
@ripapa6355
Жыл бұрын
@erikd6124 I ride a Laufey too. Love it. Mostly downhill or aggressive xc. It's a beast.
@paologuerriero9974
Жыл бұрын
I have a 2013 mega, but I've upgraded it with a shimano deore xt 1x11, fox 36 float factory grip 2 170mm and a rockshox monarch rt3, rides like a dream and doesn't feel dated, id say if you can't afford the new stuff the old stuff isn't bad at all.
@MrGourd
Жыл бұрын
One thing I like about new bikes is how quiet they are on the trails. My old 2010 Trek with clutchless derailleur sounds like a shopping cart going down the hills 😅
@brianrainey2739
Жыл бұрын
I will buy the “old” 2013 used for $2000 then buy four more $2000 used bikes with the money saved from not buying the 2023! 😂 Bikes are not cell phones, they aren’t junk after 5 years….
@deadflight84
Жыл бұрын
Just got my daughter a 2010 jamis Dakar for 200 bucks. Can't get a better bang for your buck. The shock and fork both still work good
@aaronmcdermitt9179
Жыл бұрын
So true. Just bought my first bike. Got a '13 santa cruz. Carbon everything, full sus, Internal routing, dropper post, fox 36, sram xd1. All for $2k couldn't find something even half as well specd for close to that money.
@kamilcuniak8412
11 ай бұрын
E-bikes are ; )
@nootnoot1463
11 ай бұрын
You would be better of with a $2000 modern bike. 2020 or newer. Especially now there are loads of good deals around
@joewickie2376
5 ай бұрын
Still riding my 1987 Mantis.
@thesithturkey
Жыл бұрын
I’m riding a 1992 Grove handcrafted Xinnovations, this video was super helpful to figure out the differences between my bike and modern day ones!
@ChinggyO
Жыл бұрын
should have given the old bike some new rubber... the ones on are the same age as the bike. -.-
@KarstRats
11 ай бұрын
Go to a bike park. That tends to be the case 9/10 times lol. Its alright most of us ride half assed tires anyways.
@rizkysiregar369
Жыл бұрын
loving that tracking headshot before the first test ride 😍
@KevinT3141
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant editing and camerawork (as always)!
@ivostarmans1199
Жыл бұрын
What about old Mega vs modern Scout. Old full sus vs modern hardtail. What would be better and around this kind of tracks-trails.
@raziel8321
Жыл бұрын
There's a shocking 5mm difference... that's like comparing the sandala to the rocket. With one you'll be on the moon in 5 seconds, with the other it'll take you 1000 years... Seriously, am I the only one who thinks that differences in geometry are massively exaggerated these days? What about the driver? the brakes? The tire, etc...
@tomatostakefabrik9429
8 ай бұрын
I am sure that 2023 handles like a dream, i haven't priced it out yet but i bet its not cheap. If i were racing, even at a novice level maybe. However, i am a 53 year old dude in the States, with a mortgage and kids in college. So my 2013 MTB get me down the hill . I am willing to product test anything at anytime lol!
@kukuhwanengkirtyo861
Жыл бұрын
With old bike it seems weird if you apply new school riding style… switching my new age fulsus bike to my old one, I need to adjust my riding style as well. However, the new bike feels more composed and fun….😊
@joewickie2376
5 ай бұрын
A classic bike is more than a bundle of technology welded together by machines. My 1987 Mantis is a work of art.
@petedog9581
9 ай бұрын
29" vs 26" is silly. My 2013 Stumpjumper 29er has a 67 degree HT and 74.5 degree ST (72 degree actual). The reach is the only noticeable differences from newer geos.
@Ennylaid
4 ай бұрын
It amazing me to hear just how bad the older model was against the original review of that bike. Pretty sure Rich is simply trying to push newer models-
@mikeburgh3956
3 ай бұрын
I love my V3 Scout 275. It's just sad NP is gone! But suppose to be a "new NP" coming from Mike Ashley aka Evans Cycles/Chain reaction. So I guess we'll see what the "new nukeproof" is about.
@DuffersMcDuff
Жыл бұрын
Great Video as always Rich, but the price has gone from £2K to £6.5K and you would have specced the old bike with a bigger fork.and ridden a XL..So not comparing like for like there..really. My Motorbike has more tech and costs less than a push bike now.. Something fells wrong about that. Interestingly I have a 2018 Stumpjumper Evo and a 2018 Suzuki V-Strom and they both cost around the same new. ?? Is it profiteering or a much smaller market that drives the prices?? Food for thought.
@dave_clarke
Жыл бұрын
I think the latter. I would guess the market for high end MTB is tiny compared to general motorbike sales. Plus, you are comparing a MTB in race spec with a motorcycle in standard spec. A race superbike is many times more expensive than an off-the-shelf model. All the race team R&D, event and sponsorship dollars have to be recouped through high ticket prices on the top models.
@benjy288
Жыл бұрын
In general they've gotten longer, lower, slacker, with more travel, and more weight too.
@cgeorgescu72
Жыл бұрын
And way less reliable, with components that wear out the same year
@benjy288
Жыл бұрын
@@cgeorgescu72 And way more expensive
@ldtriplesix
Жыл бұрын
Definitely weigh more now and much less reliable.
@benjy288
Жыл бұрын
@@ldtriplesix I used to have a full carbon 2017 trek slash 9.8 and it weighed bang on 14kg with pedals, that's a massive 1.5kg lighter than their lightest gen 6 model, the 9.9 xtr build, which also costs more than a brand new suzuki rmz 450 motocross bike, what's going on with mountain bikes these days?
@VicenteOcanaplus
Жыл бұрын
I see huge evolutions in suspensions. The apparition of electronic suspensions and sensors, along with geolocalisation capabilities, will probably mean more adaptable and performing rides.
@estebandelasmontanas4879
Жыл бұрын
Still use my 1993 Scott Pan American. I only miss the power in my feet😅
@martinhagen2913
Жыл бұрын
Which stem are you running on the newer iteration there payner? *The oilslick one...
@andyamos8594
Жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison although the disparity in price is equally shocking. My salary was frozen in 2008, and actually went down rather than up to this day, probably like many others, so the cost of living is making these high and mighty tech marvels sail off into fairy tale land. For the increasingly fewer who can actually afford them, enjoy!
@chrisc7764
Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing 0mm offset stems (similar to the raised reverse stem) and gearboxes are going to be commonplace in the next 10 years
@musiqueetmontagne
Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I know that Nukeproof are sponsors, fine, but the title suggests a thorough analysis of old V new not an advert about how much the sponsors current model has come on .....
@roli9985
Жыл бұрын
0:37 these tyres are old
@racingbeats1493
Жыл бұрын
A lot of what has happened is the industry has just found ways to milk people more effectively. The industry relies on marketing small changes as "gamechanging advancements" The most hilarious example of this is all these people with full stiff ass carbon setups that end up being uncomfortable and fragile for 3 times the price. The biggest advancements havent been weight, material, or technology, they've mostly just been frame geometry changes and tire size changes.
@MarioGoatse
Жыл бұрын
Brits: “Two Fousand And Free”. No wonder us Aussies have such terrible accents lol
@cosmicheretic8129
4 ай бұрын
They can't even annunciate: 'Aluminium' lol.
@alexh.4068
Жыл бұрын
After years of watching these old vs new videos I'm still wondering why you don't size up to a older XL to keep the reach similar.
@Hybrid600
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I bet the outcome would be noticeably different and close the gap a bit more.
@griffincontracting
Жыл бұрын
I just can't pull away from DIY eDH bikes..... all that travel combined with the power of a CYC X1 Pro just makes me smirk when I see a little flimsy enduro.
@theVlKlNGR
Жыл бұрын
I think the bikes are currently at a performance peak and can hardly get much better. All that's coming now are electric toys that take the fun out of optimising your personal setup and thinking a bit about what you're actually doing. Yes, I'm looking at you "Flight control & co"! The geometries are absolutely top at the moment. Half a degree more or less can be achieved via flip chip. The only thing I see for the next 10 years is more lugged frames and more sophisticated materials. This is particularly desirable in the case of carbon and its enviromental footprint, as the production process produces enormous CO2 emissions. I would like to see more steel on the tracks! In addition, however, I would like to mention that I am not completely against electrical equipment! As far as electric shifting is concerned, I see that it will become much cheaper in the future and will also become more common in the mid-price segment, up to a certain level of standard equipment on bikes from around 3500 Euros upwards. However, I think electric suspensions are nonsense and unnecessary. Likewise a "stabilisation" of the steering (Canyon).
@bitumen83
Жыл бұрын
That HTA doesnt look like 65 degrees, more like 67. Check geo one more time.
@ninjazzrhythm400
Жыл бұрын
One thing I hate about enduro racing is they dont time the uphill and only downhill. The whole rade should be timed all together imho.
@kleinkurti
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, lets do 50km@2500m timed. Fuck XC
@myrants5836
Жыл бұрын
Give me the metal one over that plastic monstrosity any day of the week!!
@dumwee
Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting if old bike had some new modern suspensions
@joshuaallswang8016
Жыл бұрын
All that carbon sounds sketchy to me! I don’t trust plastic bikes! Aluminum all day every day!!. “Carbon” is probably the biggest scam of the bike industry💯
@ffBkLee
Жыл бұрын
I bet if you did this video again in 2033, 2023 bike's carbon parts wouldn't be doing so well..
@flatpedalswinmedals7274
Жыл бұрын
SSDD. 🙄
@hej2896
Жыл бұрын
There should NEVER be wireless brakes! If they run out of battery mid run you will probably crash.
@robwales5987
Жыл бұрын
12 years and only 5% better?
@MarioV73
3 ай бұрын
"Modern Enduro Bike" = carbon, frame + carbon wheels + carbon bars??? Since when??? I think you meant to say Modern XC bike.
@vd89198
Жыл бұрын
Zero old mountain bikes in this video
@WorkLessRideMore
Жыл бұрын
2012 was over a decade ago. It's old geo and old suspension.
@vermillion.__-_.
Жыл бұрын
This guy can’t even say aluminium right 🤣
@aleksarajkovic3471
Жыл бұрын
You wanna tell me that bikes in 2012 didn't have piggy backs and 4 pot brakes??!?!?! Gmbn at its finest ones again with wrong info...
@waltwhiteinyourmum
Жыл бұрын
“The super secret test track” explains exactly where it is
@bansftp1090
Жыл бұрын
Aluminum is not outdated I think aluminum is the best thing to build bikes out of it's reliable and it does not break who else agrees with what I'm saying ❤❤❤
@westheweasel
Жыл бұрын
I know people who had new carbon bikes that got cracks or snapped in half so now I only ride aluminum cause I don’t trust carbon 😂
@joshuaallswang8016
Жыл бұрын
I don’t trust plastic bikes💯 aluminum all day!
@phoenixx_slayzz2022
3 ай бұрын
Titanium in my opinion but price wise aluminium is awesome
@cosmicbackwoods
Жыл бұрын
i have a 20 year old trek 820 and it will be a while before i get a new bike. it feels like riding a dinosaur across the desert but its still fun
@bikesandbeans
Жыл бұрын
That was my first "good bike" back in 1995! Until it was stolen... :(
@WhangaFish
Жыл бұрын
The camera work at the start of those laps 👌
@klashagg467
Жыл бұрын
I did a similar comparison on DH bikes this year. I got a an old downhill bike back that I used to own in 2009 for free and restored it and then compared it to my current Scott Gambler 2021, the old one was a Dabomb Dirt Bomb. The old one was so scary to ride that I almost just left it in the car park, short, steep, horrible handling but I had lots of fun on it back in the days. The suspension was not that bad with Fox 40 and Fox DHX 5.0, brakes was good with Formula the one Gen.1 but in the end the only thing I liked with it was that it fitted in my van, the Gambler is just too long :)
@YoGabba-bv8eh
Жыл бұрын
Man this is an actually really interesting video idea! Downhill next pls! Quick edit - It would be insane if gmbn tech could carry this through and talk about geo changes or breakthrough componentry and whatnot
@markyboyclark
Жыл бұрын
I have a modern short travel 29er and it feels like a downhill bike to me, but goes uphill like a rocket ship. Love it.
@tayloru8282
Жыл бұрын
Your videography team is out of the world. Great job as always. Would love to see the BTS of how you guys get some of these beautiful shots!
@guyd4067
Жыл бұрын
By being part of the Disney Empire.
@lemonadejars
Жыл бұрын
Maybe one day they’ll produce 4K content instead of 1080p?
@usernamefromhell
Жыл бұрын
The old one's tires are shot, put some new tires on it, and make the front a 27.5 for a "mini-mullet", and that thing is still very much relevant. And I actually prefer all the aluminum.
@juicedracer777
7 ай бұрын
Yeah me too, the carbon fiber seems too unpredictable for me in terms of durability.
@n34r02
2 ай бұрын
been there, done that, can't recommand. Either you sacrifice lots of travel or the longer fork/higher wheels puts the rider too far back. I had lots of front wheel washouts with 650b/160mm. It could have been compensated with a far longer stem (70-80mm) but i prefer riding at 160mm, 26" and a 35mm stem by far.
@deividas_kimontas
Жыл бұрын
Mountain bikes have come a long away! They're so different to the old ones. They've changed for the better! 🤘
@janataman9196
2 ай бұрын
This wasn´t a real fair comparison, Rich.. ^^ The tyres from the old Mega were visibly old and really parished, so the grip was reduced. @gmbn you can do better!
@TheJohnaddison10
Жыл бұрын
I'm riding a 2009 iron horse mkiii elite. I've upgraded suspension, group set, brakes, wheel width and hubs. Still works like a dream. I've never riden modern geometry though so I am blissfully ignorant. Until I can afford one. 😁
@argenisperez7810
Жыл бұрын
I still remember a coworker arguing with me that mountain bikes from the 80s were just as good or better than bikes today 😂
@bkaza
Жыл бұрын
A mountain bike review channel shouldn't be sponsored by a mountain bike company 🙄
@alexh.4068
Жыл бұрын
Also, we all know that full suspension 29ers were available in 2012
@briw4647
Жыл бұрын
Bikes have changed so much since my 1997/2000 downhill years. I'm especially excited about ebikes and their future, especially now I'm older, more unfit and have injuries that still affect me. I look forward to the future for sure
@thesmf1210
Жыл бұрын
might wana go sort out your EMBN subscription then
@briw4647
Жыл бұрын
@thesmf1210 I already did that long time ago. But I still like my normal mtb. Why, can't I?
@ArdGeal
Жыл бұрын
@@briw4647 Ignore the ego maniac.... E-MTB is where it's at, these dinosaurs that like taking their bikes for a walk will get there eventually, if they can afford one that is....
@MarioGoatse
Жыл бұрын
@@briw4647EMTB is the future. Especially the SL models with the smaller motors and lighter batteries. There’s nothing like zooming down a mountain, and then pedaling back up like you’re a cyborg with powered legs.
@briw4647
Жыл бұрын
@@MarioGoatse o totally agree. add a battery extender pack and you could easily cycle 60 miles of hills and dips comfortably. e bikes will , with the increase of technology and batteries just get better and better
@alexanderal7714
Жыл бұрын
Biased and unobjective review. The old bike Specs are not accurate and the overall condition of the old model is just trash(look at his tyres for reference), vs fresh all new bike. So i am sorry, but reviews like this one, just making me question about your credibility for the next one. Feeling not right at all 😢
@joeroche552
Жыл бұрын
Not the mention the natural variation because of the wheel size. At lease they could of put new rubber as you said.
@timsnewromann
Жыл бұрын
I met a dude out on the trails.. he had fitted a new fork on the older nukeproof, and went full 27,5”! Fitted with 2,4” tires he said dry/damp works completly without rubbing, but actual wet weather gets very messy.. Got me thinking what would happen if he tried to 29”/27,5” mullet it.. -are there any forks that would work in that equation these days tho? Guess you would go triple crown..?
@ArdGeal
Жыл бұрын
4:15 look at the tyres, perished AF !!! No wonder you bottled the jump at the end lol
@vermillion.__-_.
Жыл бұрын
How is this an old bike? It’s probably cheaper and stronger than the new one. Internal routing is annoying.
@KenanTurkiye
Жыл бұрын
0:00 omg that is beautifull, forget biking one just wants to hug that ground and the trees! 🤍
@KenanTurkiye
Жыл бұрын
PS: ''forget biking'' is just a figure of speech, pedal on!!! : )
@yungQi
Жыл бұрын
26” is the most fun
@PaulFlude
Жыл бұрын
I am still riding my 2003 hard tail and I am a tall guy. While I think I would have an easier time on modern geometry I wouldn't call the shorter geometry "sketchy." We all rode it just fine.
@SonjaTheDork
Жыл бұрын
Just putting it out there, this ain't that old lol. Bikes have changed in a huge way since 2013, yeah, but compared to my current rig ('94 Cannondale Killer V), its not that far off.
@Aeysir
Жыл бұрын
Aloominum? Oi! Noooooo!
@jodyreynolds81
Жыл бұрын
My issue is that companies want to get more people into mountain biking but let's be honest the pricing of new bike is just mental, I know you could go down the ebay route but sometimes it's nice to actually go into a shop and actually come out with the bike your looking for but for most it's just too far out of reach
@jamesgray143
Жыл бұрын
Totally understand
@mattfinnis
Жыл бұрын
Aluminum? Didn’t know this channel was so Americorn!
@joshuaallswang8016
Жыл бұрын
America runs the world🇺🇸 everybody else is just trying to catch up💨
@MrMuz99
Жыл бұрын
Aluminium over carbon for me, the bike is basically the same yet with much more expensive parts. Gimme the gen 1!
@benphillips1149
Жыл бұрын
If i had a choice w same parts carbon every time but bike brands love using carbon as an excuse for extra 3k on the price
@MrMuz99
Жыл бұрын
@benphillips1149 - The gains aren't that much, either. If you Want that sort of thing then go for it. Makes sense for people using them in races, etc, but for the average customer. It is complete overkill.
@joshuaallswang8016
Жыл бұрын
@@MrMuz99I agree the only time a Carbon bike is ok is in a race situation. Why!? Because if and when the bikes break they can just get a new one from there sponsor! For the every day rider a carbon bike is the biggest mistake possible!
@MrMuz99
Жыл бұрын
@joshuaallswang8016 - Some people will buy the best just to have the image, then 'normal' riders assume they have skill. I'd say even IF I had the money to afford a carbon race machine, I wouldn't go for it. Aluminium or Maybe Titanium.
@benphillips1149
Жыл бұрын
@@MrMuz99 they handle nice tho lmao
@nicksr.658
Жыл бұрын
Nice opening shot in the forest, killed it!
@CLEARRTC
3 ай бұрын
I have some questions, was the old bike recently serviced, especially the suspension? Also the tires, no one is riding 12 year old tires so did you have an appropriate new set of tires on the old bike? Just another comment, I remember my friends all talking about ordering XL Enduro bikes back then when they would normally fit a large (which I believe was common and the industry took note) How does a 2012 XL with modern tires and fresh suspension service compare? Great video
@Daz912
7 күн бұрын
What is ‘aluminum’ do you mean aluminium
@juicedracer777
7 ай бұрын
So the difference is mainly in the performance as in race performance. For us normal mortals who just want to have a blast in the slopes, an older massively cheaper bike will fulfill all the needs 😃
@Return_oftheMac
Жыл бұрын
Unusually poor video quality.
@zon3ful
Жыл бұрын
20 years of development and mtbs in general look uglier and uglier. Why is that?
@guyd4067
Жыл бұрын
Lemme guess: longer, lower, slacker, more travel.
@minnesotasteve
Жыл бұрын
The real question is, in 10 years will that new plastic bike still be operating?
@blackcat297b3
11 ай бұрын
Who else caught the top gear reference at 5:01?
@JFL7796
Жыл бұрын
My 2015 XXL Merida 99 has basically the same reach as a 2017/18 L Scott Spark. Makes me wonder what size I’d need to get if buying new today given how reach has grown. That said, stems have shortened and seat tubes steepened so that would perhaps offset some of the reach growth.
@greengonzonz
Жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to gearbox bikes becoming more mainstream. Maybe when we can ditch the gripshift? 😊
@bod3000
Жыл бұрын
#askgmbntech why do most modern bikes have kink in lower part of down tube? I still like straight down tubes. Thanks
@DarkHawk666
Жыл бұрын
Is Doddy still at GMBN?
@joshuaallswang8016
Жыл бұрын
Dude NO he quit for another job offer they talked about it a couple weeks ago on like every video😂
@ltrtg13
Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering. With bike felt less alien to you, The old Mega or Anna's bike?
@ldtriplesix
Жыл бұрын
Specialized released their Enduro in 1999. Why did the sport take so long to catch up with the bike?
@DocHolliday3841
Жыл бұрын
I had no idea you were sponsored by any bike brand.
@joshuaallswang8016
Жыл бұрын
LoL wow😆
@GodWeAreLegend
Жыл бұрын
Great VIdeo, fun to watch!
@RoachDogggJR
Жыл бұрын
Got an 09 intense 6.6 slopestyle. All the og fun
@impaledface7694
Жыл бұрын
I love riding my gary fisher hoo koo e koo.
@yanuk818
Жыл бұрын
I sense you were trying to do the Bentley meme😂
@jeremiahmcknight9495
Жыл бұрын
Mullet !!!!!
@bassplayer60659
Жыл бұрын
Cool video but that old mega was ahead of the game. I remember 68 degree head angle, 140mm travel, 80mm stems, 720mm bars were massive and maxxis ardents were all the rage in the early days of enduro😂😂😂. Enduro really change bikes for the better.
@janeblogs324
Жыл бұрын
Reach is what's changed , what's the difference between these 2?
@mjor6406
Жыл бұрын
You should apply for a home equity loan and buy the new nukeproof or any other new bike.
@andyman127
Жыл бұрын
wow, cannot remember seeing one of the guys skip a jump on a bike before
@KompletterGeist
8 ай бұрын
marketing trick to make you think its not possible so you buy the new bike ;)
@procanvas
Жыл бұрын
Just a video promoting Nukeproof 😴
@mhopper
Жыл бұрын
aluMINIum!!!!
@mattsimkins1101
Жыл бұрын
Nukeproof on top
@TheButlerNZ
Жыл бұрын
I get more exited watching the videos.
@Justkeepshredding
Жыл бұрын
Darn it! I wanted to be the first to comment 😡
@krASHExxx
Жыл бұрын
The eeveelution? Huh.. went from mtbs to pokemon
@barbedwirerat661
11 ай бұрын
Nice comparison of the same model 10 years apart. Year over year, the changes are small, but 10 years layer it is a totally different bike.
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