Appreciate this. You deserve six figure subscriber numbers. Learned. Laughed. Love.
@8bitesquire
3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Spread the word!
@tigheklory
11 ай бұрын
I really want to compliment you on the huge improvement in your camera work! 👍👍👍👍
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
New lenses helps! Thank you!
@SatoshiMatrix1
11 ай бұрын
I own two PVMs. I hardlly ever use them. Over the summer I picked up a completely free 32" JVC D-Series AC-32D201 from August 2000. This curved apature grill TV has 450 TVL with excellent geomertry and absolutely stunning 240p from adapting RGB to component. Is it as clear as my PVMs? No, not quite. But even my big PVM is 14". This sucker is 32". Playing retro games on it is a treat. If I had to do it all over, I would say for the average person a PVM is not a good buy, especially as prices have soared since COVID started with prices not at all falling. Get a good, solid consumer grade TV. That's all you need. The JVC D-Series is absolutely just as fantastic as the Sony Trinitron. 8-bit Esquire even mentioned this in the video. D-Series was great.
@RetroTechUSA
11 ай бұрын
I'm going to need a good bottle of bourbon to get through this in one piece!
@_BELMONT_
11 ай бұрын
cheers my friend! i had to roll one up for this banger!
@Demokirby
11 ай бұрын
Expecting many flame wars.
@jesseglenn8803
11 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, I was on the edge of my seat at the point of the verdict.
@Off_Grid_Gaming
11 ай бұрын
I'll have to settle on Vodka over here, 🍻
@retrobitstv
11 ай бұрын
Great video! The technical summary was concise and easy to follow and your CRT photography is ::chef's kiss:: "Things like geometry, and convergence, and color accuracy, and TV line count, aperture grills, shadow masks, RGB - we didn't know what any of that crap was and none of it mattered." This right here perfectly captures the difference between gaming in the 80's/90's and now. Today we are so focused on the technical specs of everything that it's easy to lose sight of what was actually important to us about the games and game systems of our youth. I had someone try and convince me that my PVM was no good for playing classic games because of its black levels - like we even knew or cared about that at all back then! It's weird how well-defined scanlines have become the most important measure of the retro gaming experience. At the time, I honestly don't remember caring about that at all. I guess as adults we're just chasing the best possible retro experience because we can. "The best CRT is the one that you own and the one that works." 👍🙏
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Yessir!
@j.walker6845
11 ай бұрын
I can't totally agree, because back in the day we had game magazines, that, for me at least, were a big part of the hobby because you couldn't hope to own all these games at the time, but you could drool over pictures, and although scanlines weren't specifically mentioned, they did appear in close up photography and form part of the imagery and beauty of games, specifically in magazines.
@ClosedEyeVisualisations
4 ай бұрын
That RetroTINK bit at the end was the best!
@yambu007
11 ай бұрын
I'm from South America and we get two hour lunch break + 60 hz freedom, thus best of both worlds 🎉
@GameJunctionMedia
11 ай бұрын
Interesting to see this pop up, and I love the discussion! I’m a massive CRT and PVM/BVM fan.
@dannygonzalez0861
11 ай бұрын
Found your channel because of Steve from Retro Tech, you are a funny guy LMAO subscribed instantly. This video is gold!!
@MarcoRetro316
11 ай бұрын
This was a super thoughtful and in-depth video; very well explained and you elegantly addressed all topics. Keep ‘em coming!
@thedangerroom7747
11 ай бұрын
Lol I just realized I'm watching this while leaning on the PVM in my garage that doubles as my work bench. They're super sturdy!!
@SiincereARC
11 ай бұрын
MiSTer Component Out + 27" CRT = A Splendid Time
@ChristopherNelson2k
11 ай бұрын
Stellar video-learned a ton I didn't know about PVMs. I typically go after the VGA monitors and it would be interesting to see how they mix in with some of the modern rescalers for practical gaming. Criminally crushed by YT's algorithm for the level of value this video has.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
I don't like to whine about the YT algorithm, but yeah, I think a lot of people would like this video if they were introduced to it.
@ChristopherNelson2k
11 ай бұрын
You've got a lot of content in this that could be edited down to YT shorts. I personally hate the shorts format but they are really trying to slice attention spans down that algorithmic direction. I bet you could get more traction with that format and vector in folks to the main channel@@8bitesquire
@_BELMONT_
11 ай бұрын
looking forward to kicking back, relaxing, and giving this a good watch!
@silva_579
11 ай бұрын
Awesome video, worth the wait!🍻 Thanks to retro tax pvms are now beyond my budget, but I love seeing them in action like this, and seeing how close some consumer crts can get
@Wobble2007
9 ай бұрын
You can still get really nice 1000 TVL 17" PC CRT monitors for anything from £$30 to £$100, people haven't caught on to the fact they are pretty much 480p+ PVM's, you may even fin a 19" for cheap, 21" CRT monitors are very expensive though at the moment, though I did see a really nice one go for only £150 the other day, so you may even find a 21" for a good price still. If people realize CRT PC monitors are basically just 1000 to 1500 TVL PVM/BVM monitors and the hype gets to silly levels like with the FW900 and LaCie Blue IV 22 etcetera, prices will become far too high, so if you want one, now is a good time imo.
@sonyx5332
7 ай бұрын
But can you use those PC CRT monitors with consoles for 240p and 480p+?
@Wobble2007
7 ай бұрын
@@sonyx5332 Of course, with a 20 dollar GBS-C you can input RGB/S-Video/Component @ 240p+
@mozoxz
10 ай бұрын
The ending track is much good. Amaze.. WOW
@8bitesquire
9 ай бұрын
That’s my buddy customercopy! He’s great 👍
@hadesmcc
11 ай бұрын
This video was really great, I enjoyed it a lot. Congratulations on the great production value!
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
🙏
@TheMikeyb86
11 ай бұрын
A sick episode. PVMs are so rare where I live in rural Canada thst my experience is limited to consumer sets. My favorite tube is my 27" Panasonic Gaoo (SuperFlat in the USA (*cue the guitar solo American anthem.*)) I like it so much, I got rid of my 36" FV300 to make space. I've also had 2 D-series, AF series, and a curved Trinitron. The Gaoo doesn't have the same sharpness as the FV300 or the curved Trinitron, but the colors on it absolutely pop. The Gaoo vs other Panasonic tubes I've had is clearly a higher quality so I sold them too. If you can, take a looksy at a low-hour Gaoo/SuperFlat, I know you won't be disappointed.
@TheKastorian
10 ай бұрын
Such a great video! Would be interesting to cover PVMs besides the Sony ones. Recently acquired a JVC TM-H1375SU (>750 TVL, shadow mask) and it looks excellent, with minimal flicker on interlaced content as well. Even though it doesn’t have component inputs, S-video looks great.
@KoncadeGaming
11 ай бұрын
Goddamit Bob, "that guy" lol
@RetroTechUSA
11 ай бұрын
Man, you got all us suckers hunting for this KV-14DA1
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Mine will be up for sale soon!
@FicklePicklePie
11 ай бұрын
always great music, a fun time indeed
@SDMasterYoda
11 ай бұрын
If the Retrotink 5X had existed when I got back into retro gaming almost 10 years ago, I never would have gotten a BVM. I do love my BVM-D24, but I rarely use it now. The Tink 5X on my 77" OLED is glorious. I cannot wait for the Tink 4K.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
You should just give me your D24 then 😂
@H6rdc0re
11 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire On a LG CX OLED with BFI @high and a HDR flag on the RetroTink 5X Pro negates most strenghts of the D24/32. With RetroTink 4K things will be even better. Only thing better on the BVM is no input lag compared to 26ms @60Hz BFI on the OLED. However OLED has much better black levels in all enviroments thus contrast especially in a room with lights or sun light, no anoying 15kHz noise, no interlaced flicker as you yourself pointed out is especially anoying on 800-1000 TVL monitors, size difference is not even funny 77" vs 24/32" and motion is about the same and most important it's the cheaper option. On top of that you can play current gen games with HDR and everything in between. Love my 2 PVM 20L4s but it's not all sunshine and rainbows.
@SDMasterYoda
11 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire You have a tink 4K to trade?
@hanagomikusohana9118
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the anachronisms!
@Game__Boy
11 ай бұрын
Cool video. There was a brief window in the early-mid 2010s where PVMs were a cheap ($0 to $100) way to get RGB. I missed the boat on that. Wouldn't bother with prices these days. Oh well! I ended up getting a few brand new security monitors with 13 to 15 inch curved tubes + s-video a few years ago for shockingly cheap when everyone was ignoring them. Personally I prefer the low end slot-mask look.The 480i issue... one of my monitors is 750TVL and it is eye bleeding for interlaced content. It's mostly unused because of that! A super low end 350TVL scamsung tube looks perfect for 480i and is the look I remember for 240p.
@stephenschenider4007
11 ай бұрын
This is oozing quality and hard work brother god job.
@poppinhoff4339
11 ай бұрын
Justice is served, well done 👏
@ArthurKannibal
11 ай бұрын
whoever edited in Soldier Blade music at 6:30 deserves a raise
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Well that would be me and YT pays shit 😂
@ArthurKannibal
11 ай бұрын
OH NO! Gonna have a chat with them and see if their customer service even responds.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
@@ArthurKannibal do you speak AI? lol
@ArthurKannibal
11 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire Unfortunately I only speak HI (Human Intelligence) :p
@elysiom_original
11 ай бұрын
Another great video, you deserve way more subscribers.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Algorithm be damned
@markbessert1883
11 ай бұрын
Your best video to date. Well done!!!!
@JimmyJoeMcGurl
11 ай бұрын
Amazing work. Love that you used the 1986 Transformers movie
@lukedavis3953
11 ай бұрын
With those prices I’ll be stuck peddling and meddling in consumer CRT’s for awhile. That said, still a great and highly entertaining video!
@HenrikAlfsvag
9 ай бұрын
Great video! A few years ago I was planning on just getting a good CRT due to the PVM prices when a Panasonic BT-H1450Y which has 750TVL came up for sale down my street. Let's just say I payed what I would have for a Sony CRT =)
@8bitesquire
9 ай бұрын
Nice pickup!!!
@viscountalpha
9 ай бұрын
The Panasonic ones are nice
@jakehughes5155
11 ай бұрын
Amazing video! White balance is so important when comparing CRTs!
@jeffreysibinski5633
11 ай бұрын
Most enjoyable video on PVM's I've seen.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
I mean @mylifeingaming made a really good one, but thanks!
@mozoxz
10 ай бұрын
I just found out about your channel, brilliant.
@8bitesquire
10 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@basilp5179
11 ай бұрын
Fantastically edited
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Not really, I screwed up a lot of stuff!
@basilp5179
11 ай бұрын
*Fantastically, not fantastic! lol I mean it was over the top and fun. You are doing good work.@@8bitesquire
@Yogarine
10 ай бұрын
Very entertaining video, however I would like to appeal this case, and I bring two new importent pieces of evidence: - Artistic intent: many games of the era utilise dithering patterns or vertical lines to simulate transparent shadows, instead of flickering sprites, or blend colours together. On consumer CRTs these vertical lines or dithering patters will be blurred out along the lines, making it look like a transparent image or half-tone. PVMs will completely remove this intended effect, and reveal the original pattern that was intended to simulate the effect. Not only does this look very distracting once you start to notice it, it also diverges from the artistic intent, which is the whole reason most of us use CRTs on the first place. The RetrTINK 5x can realistically simulate this effect using post processing. - Most commercial European CRTs have supported RGB since the 70s through the SCART connector. I played most of my childhood games on two TVs: a 21” Trinitron from the early 2000s, and a ~32” Erres from the 70s. Both supported RGB over SCART, and both looked amazing. Although these obviously are designed to operate at 50Hz and require 220v power, most European higher-end consumer CRTs produced since the late 90s can accept NTSC 60Hz signals without any issues. (I used to own a 1996 Sony WEGA widescreen CRT that could handle NTSC perfectly.) So for most Europeans such a regular ass CRT would probably be a better option, because they will all support RGB over SCART, probably support 60Hz, and more accurately reproduce the artistic intent.
@8bitesquire
10 ай бұрын
These are really good points
@Yogarine
10 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire Thank you! 😄 By the by: just discovered your channel today, but really enjoying the content so far. Keep up the good work! 😁
@gunsmithx
11 ай бұрын
Great video
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
🙏
@RetroTechUSA
11 ай бұрын
Daaaaaaaeeeeewoooooooooo! I say, Daaaaaeeeewwwwwooo!
@RetroTechUSA
11 ай бұрын
And yes, that Haier is bad ass.
@jamesbevan4479
11 ай бұрын
22:53 lords of thunder ⚡ damn right 🤘
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Better Game - PC Engine Better Music - Sega CD
@jamesbevan4479
11 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire while I totally agree, I do prefer the sega megacd version not only because of the music, but it's way easier and I'm a casual shmup fan at best 😂
@Patrick_AUBRY
2 ай бұрын
😮 I bought a PVM 1942Q in the late 2000 before it was a craze. Bought it for 125 CAN$ !🤣
@Patrick_AUBRY
2 ай бұрын
Also, you fail to mention that part of the better color accuracy is due to using a better and different phosphor coating for pvm tubes.
@awill891
11 ай бұрын
I have a 20M2MDU, 14M2U, the same Haier 13", 27" FV310 and a 20" JVC D-Series. I was lucky enough to get into CRTs 4 years ago and got the 310 free, JVC free off the curb!, Haier $20 OfferUp, and the two PVMs on Ebay were $222 for the 20" and $125 for the 14". I don't think of it as a competition and "perfect" image quality is not the be-all end-all. I find myself using the 310 the most, I made some adjustments and compare back and forth with the PVM and it's pretty close. The huge screen 27" vs 20" is a big difference and the built in sub woofer and stereo audio and a remote control for little adjustments make it my most used set. The JVC and Haier I rotate with the PVMs in and out of the setup I really like the shadow mask style as well cuz it just looks different especially with those bubble shaped screens. Also my Compaq 16" FS7600 (my family's last CRT monitor) is my most used CRT right now as an extra windows screen along with 480p Dreamcast and OG Xbox gaming.
@bnr32jason
11 ай бұрын
I feel fortunate to have had most of the best CRTs out there (although like you I haven't had a BVM, don't really want one). I've bought and sold Toshiba AF, D-Series, and Tau's, but I've settled with my collection and likely won't be selling it or adding to it. I've got my PVM-20M2U, PVM-20L5, 27FV310, MS-2930 (Sega Blast City), and MS-9 (Sega New Astro City). They have all been recapped and professionally serviced and are all in excellent condition, and my favorites are the MS2930 and the 20M2U. The 27FV310 is great, but it just doesn't compare to either the PVMs or the Nanao arcade monitors. For your average gamer, yeah consumer sets are awesome, but for those who want the best, yeah PVM, gotta do it. Gotta pay to play.
@radio-future
9 ай бұрын
Best crt watch on KZitem
@8bitesquire
9 ай бұрын
I appreciate the praise but there are many out there that do a much better job than I do!
@radio-future
9 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire you made easy to digest and entertaining tho, you deserve more views ngl
@LouisZezeran
11 ай бұрын
My name is RetroRGB Bob and I approve this video
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
🤣
@Fellipe2k5
11 ай бұрын
10:52 Brazil is PAL-M. It's 60hz and 480i.
@stephenschenider4007
11 ай бұрын
58:38 That whole segment was funny asf.
@nachobeard
11 ай бұрын
What a journey of a video!
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
hope it was a good one
@nachobeard
11 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire I did and then subscribed!
@triple_lei
11 ай бұрын
Oh man... the funniest part for me is knowing Mike Chi will watch this and think, "My segment followed _that?!"_ 🤣 Also this is the first time in a long while your vids haven't cost me any money, unless you can convince me that I should buy a non-launch RT5X capable of gen lock and TBC...
@DadLadsGaming
11 ай бұрын
Brilliant video👍 Funny and educational 👍
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@roberto1519
11 ай бұрын
Man, I find the first photographs technology fascinanting, CRTs are wayyyy more impressive than that, I think anything can be fascinating depending on how we look at them, I mean, can we say 90s PCs were cooler than today'sPCs and consoles?
@jaredbrown691
11 ай бұрын
Never heard of your channel before this video. You’re going to have a tough time topping this. I’ve been thinking about picking up a PVM for a long time and now there’s going to be that many more driving up prices. Amazing comparisons and glad you had a decent camera to pickup the actual differences. So many details I didn’t know.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! Im glad you liked it!
@didiugb
11 ай бұрын
I have a 14n6u, love that little guy
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Totally underrated monitor
@johnsundberg7697
11 ай бұрын
Is this supposed to be a courtroom, a classroom, or a newscast? Either way, great video.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Yes
@andyruiz
11 ай бұрын
I would love to see a comparison between PVMs and Sony FV310 with RGB mod or JVC D Series with RGB mod. Would it be possible in a future video?
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely not 😅
@Hyper-M
10 ай бұрын
44:00 🙌🏻🙏🏻😇
@iEternity1
11 ай бұрын
My PVM has been in the closet since the OSSC came out. I dont miss it, but cant bring myself to sell it either.
@Izquierda
11 ай бұрын
Amazing video! BTW, today's commercial flat panels continue to be miles away in quality from the very best professional monitors. Even an old LCD PVM from before 2010 will look better than most commercial TVs you can buy today, and even today's best OLEDs and miniLEDs can touch the OLED models except for modern niceties like 4K resolution and higher/variable refresh rate. And then if you look at the current and upcoming BVM... not sure we'll ever see that kind of quality in commercial TVs, even after microLED becomes affordable.
@SleekGoose
11 ай бұрын
This video is amazing you are so underrated! And I think you defended PVM’s pretty good in this video. But nothing will make me drop my KV-32FS1000 with bad bowing and geometry, sorry 😅 but I wish I had a PVM I mean who doesn’t.
@SiincereARC
11 ай бұрын
Anyone watching here in the New England Area that knows where to get a CRT serviced? I have a 27" Flat Sony Trintron. It looks great with component but the geometry is bad enough to annoy me . I only know of one place but they might not be able to help with this issue (been to them before and all they did was try to degauss it and that didn't resolve the issue).
@igmnk
11 ай бұрын
Amen
@scribes1188
11 ай бұрын
I've always wondered, IF you can capture the look through recording a CRT to show in KZitem videos, wouldn't it be possible to play that look through emulation eventually? Anyway, another great video! Thank you!!
@Wobble2007
10 ай бұрын
If you watched the video through to the end, he had that topic covered by Mike Chi, in a nutshell, Chi made it clear CRTs are never going to truely replaced, but as we progress to higher and higher PPI displays, the higher pixel pitch displays will be able to handle CRT emulation more acurately. Though to elaborate on what Mike said, it's been shown that 12,000 PPI will be the point to which we can display sprite/pixel games flawlessly as intended on modern panels, 12,000 PPI and beyond will make scalers, processing, AI for various video enhancments, anti-aliasing, all obsolete, all we will need at that point is a simple SLG (scanline-generator), as 12,000 PPI can handle everything from 240p to 4K beautifly. Super fine pitch modern displays will bring us back to monitors which can handle multiple-resolutions beautifly without any comprimises (like CRTs), aka, multiscan, I canny wait to get a 12,000 PPI mLED (true micro LED, which has 100 to 1 pixel desity vs OLED, so in the space that takes up 1 pixel on an OLED, mLED has 100, this means huge PPI, Pixel-Pitch, CD/m2/luminance, and resolution upgrades, not to mention they start at 3960hz refresh rates, afordable consumer mLED is another 3-5 years away though, so for now, a Tink4K or something like it (OSSC Pro) and an OLED or Plasma is your go to for CRT emulation, also I really hope someone, perhaps Mike Chi himself, would produce a decent modern legacy gaming monitor, with a 4:3 RGB-OLED, with native rolling-bar/raster-scan simulataion, a built in Tink 4K, SLG, mClassic or an updated version, and most important of all, real curved glass, and a real AG/Shadow-mask/slot-mask grid built into the panel.
@scribes1188
10 ай бұрын
@@Wobble2007 yes lol His newest video touches on this, so I'd predict the Retrotink 8k will blow past all these issues in 2028
@SteveWellsNZ
11 ай бұрын
Really interesting, thanks! Could've done without the rabbit bit tho.
@TheMikeyb86
11 ай бұрын
I skipped it 5 seconds at a time and survived.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
I’m glad you’re ok! 😂
@Patrick_AUBRY
2 ай бұрын
18:37 Did he swear in french-canadian??? 🤣🤣
@Fellipe2k5
11 ай бұрын
30:37 It's not a fair comparison between a bad TV and a PVM. My 21" Sony Wega from 2006 has great geometry and produces a clear image on the entire screen
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
20” WEGAs are phenomenal tubes. I only noticed issues when you start increasing the size
@HughOBrien
11 ай бұрын
The judge should recuse himself given he owns more than one PVM :)
@Runslik3Wind
3 ай бұрын
id agree pvms are higher quality. but I will take a large consumer set with rgb over a 14-20 inch pvm anyday. My pvm rarely gets used vs my 36 inch rgb modded jvc. thicker scanlines. brighter image, and the obvious... easier to see from the couch.
@bardhi09
11 ай бұрын
33:10 I dont know why people continue to lie to themselves The PVM looks horrible compared to the Haier 240p games were not meant to be played on high res tubes The Genesis outputs around 292/293 horizontal lines after PAR adjustment(320 x (32/35) or 256 x (8/7)) Devs used higher res professional monitors to edit the graphics easier obviously but 240p games do not look good Memelines are an artifact and have always been The image was not meant to be oversharpened and blocky You will see this one day when we get +10000PPI displays and people start integer scaling these games to those kind of pixel densities. It will look all smooth with barely any aliasing like the low res consumer tube/240p handheld LCD screens but without the screendoor effect and everybody who thought that blocky mess that is integer scaling in todays low PPI screens was "raw pixels" will eat crow and realize how stupid they have been all along
@etgripper
11 ай бұрын
Just keep an eye on govdeals. They sell the surplus state and gov crap they want gone. Every once in a while you can get a Pvm/Bvm for dirt cheap, usually local pickup only unless you hire courier. Sometimes there are literal pallets of them for under 100 bucks.
@etgripper
11 ай бұрын
Just looked, in Columbus OH there is a PVM-2950Q with a laserdisc player, 7 days left currently at 12 bucks.
@TheMikeyb86
11 ай бұрын
@@etgripper👀😮
@etgripper
11 ай бұрын
@@TheMikeyb86 I'm all stocked up my wife would go nuts if I brought more monitors home :P just spreading the word.
@ConnorSeals
11 ай бұрын
@@etgripperthanks for the heads up
@TVsBen
11 ай бұрын
If I was billing clients at $400/hr I would also find PVR's not guilty. I'm looking forward to that day because man do I want one. I'm also looking forward to when the kids move out of the house so I can find time to play games again. LOL
@fmbroadcast
11 ай бұрын
Woow I love it
@Reluctant_Hero
11 ай бұрын
Good lord, thanks for triggering all my repressed Catholic school memories with the hymn at beginning at 43:59 🤣 (and no… thankfully I was never involved in any inappropriate priest behavior… I someone out will or wants to type that joke)
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Hahaha
@Roshenbo
11 ай бұрын
That "F**kin cats..." line had me dying. LMFAO!! 🤣🤣🤣
@caivsivlivs
8 ай бұрын
are you really on anti-depressants? it helps?
@8bitesquire
7 ай бұрын
It was just a joke about the American work/life balance
@pwnswoggle
11 ай бұрын
really well done but fk look at the chin on this dude, do you have to check that in before a flight? It looks like it could have it's own solar system
@sinetwo
11 ай бұрын
This is great viewing. And yes, people who hoard PVMs are on another level of douchebaggery. Totally pointless.
@superlink235
11 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who doesn't think large scan lines look good? Lol
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
You’re definitely not alone!
@superlink235
11 ай бұрын
@8bitesquire they def make the image look sharper, but I definitely notice them haha, maybe just cus I gamed for so long on my shitty 80s Zenith with RF that I'm used to a softer, crappier image 😂 almost smoothed over. It does give the dithering a nice look on Genesis games though 👍
@mjskillz23
2 ай бұрын
WTF doesn’t this guy have more subs!!!!
@8bitesquire
2 ай бұрын
@@mjskillz23 haha I don’t! Help a brother out and spread the word!
@mjskillz23
2 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire amen! I already sent your vid to like 3 of my friends. You deserve a million + subs. Though you don’t scream and you give intelligent opinions. Probably working against you! 😂
@8bitesquire
2 ай бұрын
@@mjskillz23 haha, nah I just don’t produce content often enough. It’s all good!
@mjskillz23
2 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire well quality vs quantity my friend. Good shit.
@fightaman7
11 ай бұрын
Loved the bit about Bob being "that guy" 🤣
@roberto1519
11 ай бұрын
In Brazil, the system was a 60hz signal called PAL-M, despite the acronym, it was almost NTSC with some differences in color coding or some non-sense like that. In any case, I don't think many people outside of the country knows about this.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
I did not!
@roberto1519
11 ай бұрын
There's a short, yet informative wikipedia page about the PAL-M signal, I think you might enjoy checking it.
@crtchicanery9605
11 ай бұрын
Glad to see 480i flicker addressed! I'd add that in addition to higher TVL accentuating the issue, it's also worse on aperture grille than on shadow mask. If possible, I always play GC/Xbox/PS2 games at 480p on a modern display for that reason.
@TheMikeyb86
11 ай бұрын
Yeah! I had no idea about the flicker. Glad it wasn't overlooked.
@K98430
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this deep look into consumer TVs vs PVMs. I really appreciated the technical aspects of this video. Your production quality and style are top notch as well.
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
🙏
@syncmonism
6 ай бұрын
Were there ever any high end HD CRT displays sold as consumer products which used more or less the same hardware as PVMs or BVMs? I have recently developed a fascination for HD CRTs, especially the earlier ones which started becoming available wayyyy back in the 80's in Japan, as well as the HD CRT broadcasts which started in Japan in the late 80s, and any of the early ways of actually getting 1035i / 1080i (whatever you want to call it) content. Some were 32", but I think some HD CRTs were even larger than that.
@justsayin4632
10 ай бұрын
LOVED this vid. But… I can’t help but feel like I’m the only one who is willing to have less than perfect clarity in the corners in exchange for a larger screen. I simply don’t understand people salivating over 8 inch and 14 inch PVMs. Even a 20 inch is simply too small for me. I haven’t played on a TV that small in over 30 years! I’ve seen people argue that the clarity is better on a smaller screen, and they’re right, the same number of TV lines in a smaller space will have better detail and sharpness. But then, you should be applying that same logic to our flat panel TVs as well! Since pixel size is fixed, you should be trying to get the SMALLEST screen size possible with the HIGHEST resolution possible if clarity is your only goal! However, most people don’t shop for tvs that way🤷🏻♂️
@RdCrestdBreegull
11 ай бұрын
personally I think 600TVL is the highest acceptable TVL for 15kHz content (240p and 480i) while anything higher than 600/650TVL I would only consider using if it’s able to accept 31kHz or higher 15kHz content on 800-1000TVL looks absolutely horrible IMO
@Voshchronos
2 ай бұрын
I'm really shocked that you don't have like 20k subscribers. What an incredible in-depth analysis of these great pieces of hardware. You got me wanting a PVM now, and this video is the first time I'm hearing about them
@8bitesquire
2 ай бұрын
@@Voshchronos thanks man! Spread the word!
@segasdreamer
9 ай бұрын
I paid 50 bucks for my Sony KV32FS320 and SNES over component looks great. It's a consumer TV sure, but I wanted to see what classic games looked like on a budget. PVMs are a bit rich for my blood, but it's fun to learn about.
@TheJadeFist
6 ай бұрын
Even as a kid I knew RF was inferior to the component AV. But if you had to use it because the TV you were on didn't have another option, pick channel 4 instead of 3. For some reason channel 4 always delivered a stronger clearer signal.
@neobluemax
11 ай бұрын
Did good. Long videos are hard work.
@Kidsmoker
11 ай бұрын
I'm glad this video mostly stayed away from JVC's professional CRTs. The price on those guys has definitely gone up recently but are still a steal.
@jesseglenn8803
11 ай бұрын
I own 2 cvm 1250s, one 1979, the other 1981. They have rf and composite. The guy I got them from seemed to have got them from an old local television station. I never hear anyone talk about these, and I dont know much myself, but they are really nice and seem professional. Thanks for the great video, i will be listening throughout delivering pizza tonight (i do have a pvm 2030 also, can certainly appreciate the S and RGB) 😎
@Retro-Memory
2 ай бұрын
Gold love it. The dude heckling in the background. "Showing us Daewoo and Haire....😂"
@OrangeGeemer
10 ай бұрын
1:03:37 do you have that same capture for the retrotink 4k? (A bit later there is a zoom, but not the comparison)
@caivsivlivs
8 ай бұрын
wait how does the TVL determine scanline thickness
@Haphazy
10 ай бұрын
Sick flex, bro. Tubular collection.
@Deadite8593
11 ай бұрын
The only PVM I've ever seen in person is my PVM14N6U which is only 500TVL, so maybe I'm missing out on the high end of the PVM spectrum. I don't use it much because it has geometry issues (probably needs a re-cap), but it looks very nice otherwise. I do most of my gaming on a 27" JVC D series, it's definitely not perfect but it gets the job done. I own an OSSC and have tried my best to appease the wife by getting rid of my "fish tank TVs", but like you I see lots of valid reason to keep this aging technology around. This was a great video, entertaining and lots of good info. Subscribed!
@8bitesquire
11 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it! And get that N6 serviced!!
@Deadite8593
11 ай бұрын
@@8bitesquire I definitely need to make that happen
@Wobble2007
10 ай бұрын
I just watched this start to end, I actually watched the whole thing, thats rare for me, so that tell's you waht I think of the video, this will be reference go to now for undisputable proof of PVM's superior nature to consumer CRTs, cheers for the video, it was fun to watch.
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