When I get in my car and go to back up, if I see someone behind me, I generally wait several extra seconds to make sure that car really is waiting and not about to drive past me. At least in my case, its about being cautious and not petty.
@Sotanaht01
4 ай бұрын
And it probably takes a few more seconds to actually back out, because you have to be more careful and judge the distance to the car that is in the way.
@emberpool5465
2 ай бұрын
That was what I was thinking. I usually wait to make sure they aren't trying to get through before I continue pulling out of the space. People waiting because of territorial reasons is crazy for me. I am kind of assuming that scientists made some kind of assumption there because I kind of doubt they went after the cars that pulled out and asked them why they took more time. Or maybe a survey process for unrelated drivers? I need more info on these studies. Lol.
@BCowcorn
2 ай бұрын
Came to say just that. I'm defending a resource, but that resource is my car, not the space.
@geodkyt
4 ай бұрын
A lot of these findings sound like straight up chimp energy territoriality, including the "high staus" deference.
@bevinboulder5039
4 ай бұрын
OMG! The "My Precious" literally had me laughing out loud. Hilarious!
@therongjr
4 ай бұрын
[The parking lot data] Me: People who drive are petty. I'm glad I'm not like them! [The library data] Me: Oh no . . .
@toddverbeek5113
4 ай бұрын
As someone who tries to vacate parking places *more quickly* when someone is waiting, this confirms why I find our society pathological.
@BionicMilkaholic
4 ай бұрын
The grocery store I go to most often has 4 self checkouts. When there's a line, I have the goal of getting done before everyone who was already checking out ahead of me. I don't want to wait, why should I make others wait. I wonder if these studies would get different results if you perform them in different parts of the country/world.
@korg47237
4 ай бұрын
this doesn't apply to me because I *always* park as far away as I can from a store
@ralphgallipeau93
4 ай бұрын
If there is no one there, you can just go. Quickly. If there is someone there, you have NO idea what they are doing, so if you're smart, you wait to discern their intentions.... Right??
@ekimnosredna
4 ай бұрын
I feel personally attacked right now…. Although this is background noise,and I’m doing cryptograms
@nathan_middleton_
4 ай бұрын
Question, how many of these studies were conducted in America? I wonder how the results would differ in less materialistic, and less individualistic societies. I wonder if they'd still have the same response to want to hang onto what they feel is theirs, especially if they don't stand to lose anything, such as in the car park or library scenario.
@ryank1273
4 ай бұрын
Does it help if you were raised by forklifts?
@marianarias313
4 ай бұрын
Not my autistic ass rushing to get out of the spot to pull over later to set my podcast and put my seatbelt on because I didn’t want to have the other person waiting
@kargoncoppercoin2093
4 ай бұрын
Its not territorialness that keeps me from leaving as fast, its being nervous now because there's another thing I could possibly hit that I have to account for and I'm already nervous about backing up
@jaydonbooth4042
4 ай бұрын
This, backing up already sucks, someone sitting too close to me is just going to make me want to wait for them to move before backing out of the spot.
@littlegandhi1199
4 ай бұрын
Instead of kicking the can down the road I always back into my spots on arrival. All the visibility and awareness that you already have being out in the lane analyzing all your surroundings while you look for a spot is much better than the quick or snail exit to make sure you're not running someone over
@firesandflowers
4 ай бұрын
💯 this. I am so confused by the parking spaces segment. I've never stayed in a spot due to territorial behavior. I just want to make sure the person "waiting" isn't about to fly past me at the same time I start to back up. Even with blinkers on, I've seen people do it. Or people behind the person waiting will try to go around or some bonkers behavior. Drivers act irrationally! I usually wait a good 5-10 seconds to make sure they are remaining completely stopped. Perhaps men are more territorial than woman... but a woman, this just sounds absurd to me.
@ObsessiveCompulsiveClown
4 ай бұрын
@littlegandhi1199 that's the way it should be done but god, it's a hard habit to get into when you're not used to backing into parking spaces.
@kargoncoppercoin2093
4 ай бұрын
@ObsessiveCompulsiveClown also its not ideal when you're trying to put stuff like groceries in your trunk and now that trunk if facing the hood of another car, and your cart can't easily get between cars lol
@HutcH68
4 ай бұрын
Interestingly, I tend to move faster when I know someone is waiting for my spot.
@CoreenMontagna
4 ай бұрын
Me too! I was wondering if it might be a neurodivergent thing.
@amandad802
4 ай бұрын
So do I. If they honk at me, however, oh we're gonna be awhile!
@Apocalymon
4 ай бұрын
Pushover
@SayAhh
4 ай бұрын
@@Apocalymon That's a weird way to spell "considerate"
@silvenimoy3115
4 ай бұрын
Same here, I feel far more pressure to get buckled and moving ASAP and skip adjusting the AC vents, quick checking my phone, etc. when I see someone is waiting for my spot
@lucidmoses
4 ай бұрын
How the heck did they rule out the complication of there now being another car they could hit and people taking time to reevaluate the direction they want to backup into?
@rundown132
4 ай бұрын
clickbait
@SoulDelSol
4 ай бұрын
Confounded it
@robertairvin2310
4 ай бұрын
I think that's where the high and low status cars came in. But I agree, I would like to see other territorial behaviors than timing per se
@lucidmoses
4 ай бұрын
@@robertairvin2310 Status doesn't matter to Territorial. However. The difference reinforces my point. If you see an car driving down the road which has clearly been in three different accidents. Do you wounder about the driving abilities of the driver? on the other end. If you see someone driving a perfectly preserved antique car or otherwise expensive car, do you not thing they must be careful drivers as they don't want to wrench them? Tell me, which car would you feel more comfortable pulling out in front of.
@Jimera0
4 ай бұрын
I was wondering the same thing, but there are a number of factors that lead me to give the researchers the benefit of the doubt here. For one, we only got a brief summary of the study; it's likely in their own paper that these concerns were addressed in some way and Sci-Show just cut it for time. More importantly though, the other studies, such as the library studies and phone study, don't have nearly as many potential confounding variables involved and yet they still show the same territorial behaviour. These combined show that this sort of irrational territorial behaviour likely does exist, and therefore likely played some role in the parking spot study results as well.
@HutcH68
4 ай бұрын
Could it be that people get nervous when they know they are being watched? Like when someone watches you type or do math?
@alyssavocadoo
4 ай бұрын
This is definitely me😅
@photelegy
4 ай бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking. Myself I would maybe take longer because there is a car there and I need to drive and watch mofe carefully because of that.
@meganhirschi6248
4 ай бұрын
This is me in these situations. Oh, there’s a car there now? I can’t fling myself willy nilly out of the spot, I have to be more careful. Oh there’s someone in my space? I can’t just pick up any book, I am going to be more thorough. Territorial doesn’t feel anything like how I feel in these situations.
@maenad1231
4 ай бұрын
This is why I hated it when teachers leered over your shoulder/deal to see how you were doing during exams. Saboteurs for real
@TheRexisFern
4 ай бұрын
Some, probably.
@VoltCruelerz
4 ай бұрын
I don't know about anyone else, but the reason I'm slow to pull out of a spot when someone is waiting is not because it's more valuable to me or something. It's because they're blocking sight lines in an already crowded parking lot, and they might suddenly drive forward at any moment, so I trust the safety of the environment less and I'm more cautious.
@erinrising2799
4 ай бұрын
same, it always makes super nervous when someone is waiting for my spot
@freedblowfish3705
4 ай бұрын
Kellogs drivers are everywhere
@Alex.Winchester
4 ай бұрын
Honestly people just feel pressured when they’re being watched and when someone’s waiting for them to finish. More likely to screw up.
@ogge8375
4 ай бұрын
also 6 seconds is easily explained by checking if the person is waiting, if you can pull out of the spot safely and pulling out slowly to not endanger them. So that would be the exact opposite result of the actual study and from my experience I have certainly taken a bit longer to properly assess the situation and to not "endanger" the person waiting
@bob1234881
4 ай бұрын
Yep. I would definitely spend an extra few seconds. 😀 This is true for moth of this. I find people around are little destructions, so I would take longer. Hank. Sure, this research is coming to the right conclusion?
@martinadelvai4115
4 ай бұрын
@@ogge8375 remember that 6 secons is the average, not the extra time it took most people to pull out of the parking spot .
@ogge8375
4 ай бұрын
@@martinadelvai4115 I am aware, but its definitely a reasonable time in many cases also depending how much space is available I can imagine people taking more than 6 seconds extra
@Infernoraptor
4 ай бұрын
@ogge8375 That is a VERY good point. Even if you didn't see the car waiting before you got in, a full lot may well result in other spot-hunting cars in the lot. These, in turn, may prime someone to be watchful of cars in general; car-dodging mode, if you will.
@argentpuck
4 ай бұрын
I find that people rarely seem to think "How would I feel on the receiving end of this behavior?" I don't pretend to understand it.
@blackkittycat15
4 ай бұрын
We learn about the golden rule in kindergarten, treat others the way you want to be treated, yet somehow forget it as adults
@klutterkicker
4 ай бұрын
Did the parking study account for how close the waiter pulled in? Seems totally expected to take a little longer if you feel someone might inch behind you into the space you need to back into, especially in a legal system where that would place you backing out as liable for any damages. Also seems totally expected to be upset at someone you perceive as rushing you, imo, I think that would put the honking scenario into the altruism/punishment category.
@LGrian
4 ай бұрын
Yep. This was my first thought. I have anxiety around backing out of parking spots, and sometimes the way people pull in to wait makes the space I can pull out into much tighter. Of course I go slower, but contrary to this study, I feel extremely anxious about that fact and in reality want out as fast as humanly possible
@mattgies
4 ай бұрын
It seems that you're assuming the study used angle parking, whereas I was imagining parallel parking, where the mechanics make pulling in too close (alongside the car you want to leave) much less likely, at least in my experience. Unfortunately the abstract linked doesn't indicate what style of parking was under study.
@klutterkicker
4 ай бұрын
@@mattgies Well Hank heavily implied the study was done in a packed parking lot, and the abstract mentions a mall, both of which make parallel parking unlikely. In a parallel parking situation on a busy street someone waiting behind you may make it easier to pull out quickly as they block traffic.
@mattgies
4 ай бұрын
@@klutterkicker Yeah, you're probably right. I just had parallel parking on the mind because it actually happened to me yesterday: I was looking for parking and saw a car ahead turn on its reversing lights. So I stopped behind and activated my turn signal. They proceeded to sit there without moving for what must have been about 2 minutes. Fortunately no cars arrived behind me to make me give up waiting.
@fep_ptcp883
4 ай бұрын
Reverse camera. I'll have this in any car ever. All cars should have it.
@LGrian
4 ай бұрын
Idk about all this. I try to go faster if someone is waiting, but I often take longer because I am nervous about hitting the person waiting close behind me. I already have anxiety about backing out of parking lots as it is, so being watched is not fun. If they honk, then I may straight up panic and take even longer
@zeke1220
4 ай бұрын
You should try backing in so you don't have to back out.
@virginiamoss7045
4 ай бұрын
@@zeke1220 Aahhhhhh! Bad advice! Too many people just never learned to drive a car.
@Toobowlie
4 ай бұрын
Nice. Single anecdote vs data
@BrandEver117
4 ай бұрын
If they honk I might take longer out of spite, but that has nothing to do with "territorialness". I don't care at all about the spot, I'm just inflicting a small form of petty revenge as a way to teach them a lesson about being an impatient douche. All that said, I've never had anyone honk at me when leaving a parking space. This study seems jank as hell. I'm surprised SciShow is even talking about it.
@BrandEver117
4 ай бұрын
@virginiamoss7045 Then they should learn. If someone is bad at parking, then they need to go to an empty lot and practice. This is something they should have done when getting their license. If someone is a bad driver, they are actively risking the lives of everyone around them. Either become a good driver or don't drive.
@ShadowDrakken
4 ай бұрын
You should talk about the study a couple years back that showed drivers of large SUVs and trucks tend to be more aggressive/bigger jerks both on and off the road.
@gabrielgauchez9435
4 ай бұрын
i think jerks then to drive suv and trucks
@bhatkat
4 ай бұрын
Was that the one where the guy put rubber animal on the edge of the road and watched the jerks who went out of their way to hit them? And someone else set up a camera at an intersection with a lot of pedestrian traffic and confirmed that it was the luxury vehicle which were crowding the pedestrians. Showing that money turns humans into jerks.
@midgetsow
4 ай бұрын
I've never waited for a parking spot in my life. My method is simple. When I enter a parking lot, I gauge how full it seems to be. If it's over 95% full, meaning there will only be a few empty spaces, I immediately drive towards the zone that would be least desirable. There will always be 1 or 2 spaces there. If the parking lot is only 50% full, I just park at the first decent empty spot I see. If it's mostly empty, then and ONLY then, do I drive towards the more desirable/closer spots and look for one. Worst case scenario with my strategy, I get 2 free minutes of cardio that I would otherwise spend looking for a close spot.
@lifeisdead01
4 ай бұрын
Exactly
@EricSundquistKC
4 ай бұрын
Yup. I never feel pressure to free my spot quickly when someone is waiting for me. There is _always_ another available spot, and it is quicker for them to just park further away and walk the extra 10 spaces than wait on me
@virginiamoss7045
4 ай бұрын
@@EricSundquistKC Yeah. I, age 16, was with my fat, lazy grandfather back in the 1960s as he literally drove around for 20! minutes trying to find a place to park right in front of the destination. I never said anything because he was an unpleasant person. He passed up many spaces where we would only have to walk 3 or 4 spaces. At one point I decided to note the time to see how long this insanity would go on. It ended when he managed to get a spot at the end of the row across from the door we were visiting. Now he would be the type to be territorial about that spot.
@CaritasGothKaraoke
4 ай бұрын
Always one or two spaces available? Clearly you’ve never been to a Trader Joe’s in California.
@midgetsow
4 ай бұрын
@@CaritasGothKaraoke I actually live in California, but I do not generally go to Trader Joe's, no. However I frequent Costco. The one I go to has an absolutely massive parking lot and there are spaces way behind the Costco that never fill up, probably over a hundred of them. But it is a bit of a walk.
@peterchung2262
4 ай бұрын
For the library example, I stay around longer to not give the impression I'm only leaving because they came.
@michaelmicek
4 ай бұрын
Is that rational, though?
@Melody-mt5im
4 ай бұрын
I’ve done this in grocery isles when I’m not in anyone’s way. Or if someone is blocking the items I want to access, I will look at other adjacent items while I wait, and when they move, I will linger a few seconds before going to the items I was waiting for. To the commenter asking if it’s rational, I don’t think it matters if it’s rational or not. I do it because I don’t want people to feel like I am waiting for them to get out of my way because when that happens to me, I feel bad that I didn’t realize I was in someone’s way. Usually if it is urgent, people will say something, but that’s hard to remember in the moment. And for the example of browsing a few seconds longer when someone else enters the aisle, I have a feeling it might be more common with women than men. I am a woman and I do this behaviour as a sort of signal that I am not trying to avoid them or made uneasy by their presence and am not changing my behavior because of them. Now if they need to go where I am and indicate that, I of COURSE will get out of their way. I view this as a very small effort (habitual now) that has a potentially large impact of not leading to negative vibes. Is it rational? Maybe not. But I think social interactions get an exception from that.
@JHaven-lg7lj
4 ай бұрын
I think it also might be a social thing, especially in the non-fiction aisles. As in, you’re interested in this? I am, too! Maybe I’ll strike up a conversation with you?
@bakawaki
4 ай бұрын
5:58 it makes sense how promoting a culture of competitiveness increases this counterproductive petty territorialism
@mcv2178
4 ай бұрын
I forget who said it, but a traveller once said that in America, everything is a competition. From courts to 'debates' to reality TV. I kinda feel like they nailed it there : )
@frohnatur9806
4 ай бұрын
@@mcv2178 it's the capitalist mindset. Greedily taking from others, including those who need it most is good because it's capitalism. Helping others, sharing your belongings and taking care of nature is evil because it's communism. It is known
@mrscarter6279
4 ай бұрын
😅- as far as parking goes im just glad to get inside the lines (it’s the small victories)
@mamanoneyall51
4 ай бұрын
🤣👍
@thearizonian9500
4 ай бұрын
Sure bro
@bluefish239
4 ай бұрын
I don't think all people leaving "slowly" are doing it territoriality, if there are people or cars around I want to be careful, so I go slower. Though if they decide to honk at me I might just re-park my car and find another reason to need to be parked there. Cause a. ruuude. and b. I don't trust them to not cause an accident if they are that impatient. Though I think I tend to yield most "territories" cause it's not worth the time or effort to be territorial.
@CZPanthyr
4 ай бұрын
Back in the day, when I still smoked, my sister and I were at a big box membership store. We loaded the stuff into her car and got in. About that moment, someone honked their horn at us. My sister, who was always against my smoking, said, "You need to get out and have a cigarette, right now!"
@telegramsam
4 ай бұрын
@@CZPanthyr I hope you took your time about it, too! I think a lot of it is just the feeling that someone is aggressively trying to make you do something. Of course that's going to get someone's hackles up! People who honk horns for any reason other than to alert someone about to hit them are nearly always both terrible drivers and utterly insufferable people.
@bluefish239
4 ай бұрын
@@CZPanthyr lol I suppose now if you don't smoke you can suddenly get a phone call that needs you absolute attention.
@rogerhorky7258
4 ай бұрын
tables/stools at a bar, seats in a classroom without assigned seating, pews in church.... people do get possessive. or maybe it's just a matter of strangers interfering with your habits and rituals, more OCD than territoriality. it sounds like that parking-lot study drew conclusions without accounting for all possible explanations. note the number of comments about exercising more care when backing out when there is a car in the lane waiting. happened to me today. i just wanted to go to work, not assert my superiority... but i wasn't gonna back into a waiting car.
@kashiichan
4 ай бұрын
That's not what OCD is
@ODISeth
4 ай бұрын
I wonder how much of the parking situation is actually territorial nature and how much is “I am still assessing the goals of this stranger behind me and calculating the route least likely to result in an accidental collision while backing out”
@degenskonto6408
4 ай бұрын
I wonder how these studies would work out in different cultures, the middle east, china, japan, northern europe
@julesverneinoz
4 ай бұрын
Not just country differences. Different suburbs in the same region have different parking cultures. Sometimes how many older people who have time to harass the town council about issues and to keep them honest also makes a difference in availability (in turn, their 'preciousness').
@denischen8196
4 ай бұрын
When others are waiting, the person leaving has less room to maneuver when backing out. If someone is honking, that person could be impatient, so the risk of a collision is higher.
@xVibra
4 ай бұрын
I think the library thing can be understood as "I don't want to leave this area, because I don't want them to think they're shooing me away or being disrespectful." I've spent longer in areas just because I don't want them to think I think it's a competition to be in that area, which is kinda counterproductive considering I'm actively competing for the area. It's a weird undisclosed statement of "I want you to feel welcome here, and that you're not in my way." The same can be said for grocery stores when you're waiting for something. I'll linger around just in case I may forget something, because I know that once I leave someone will likely enter my spot which makes it harder for me if I want to come back. I still am never clear on the etiquette of whether you should be on the side you're looking for things on, or on the opposite side. You either cover up the area other people may want something from, or you create the uncomfortable situation of forcing people to walk in front of you if they're passing you.
@andrewroyston3261
4 ай бұрын
Glad people here are saying what I was thinking. When someone is waiting on me I get more anxious and careful. If they honk at me and try to rush me, then I become pissy and territorial
@6thwilbury2331
4 ай бұрын
Oh man, had to come straight to this video... I just got back from adventures in not one but four parking lots. One of my pet peeves: it's a relatively full lot, and cars are roaming around trying to find a space. I'm backing out of my spot, but I can't because the cars are whizzing behind me. I clearly have my reverse lights on, so it's not like there's doubt that I'm backing out. If someone lets me leave, he/she can then take my soon to be vacated space - which happened to be the closest non-ADA spot to the store. People get so caught up looking for *empty* spots, that they don't look for *emptying* spots. Half of me wanted to get out and give the Jerry Maguire "help me help you" speech.
@julesverneinoz
4 ай бұрын
Wait, the cars in your area don't stalk you as you're walking to your car? 😮 They haven't learnt the art
@6thwilbury2331
4 ай бұрын
@@julesverneinoz EXACTLY, that's the next level... never mind looking for empty spots, never mind looking for emptying spots, they would be looking for the people who are about to empty a spot.
@rdreher7380
4 ай бұрын
Small quibble: the use of "possessive" words in English, and many languages, does not necessarily encode a sense of "possession" as in ownership. This simplified understanding of a grammatical concept is rather pernicious, but think about it, if I say "my brother," nobody would think that I am saying I "own" said brother. Rather we understand it to mean a relationship. Likewise, "my lane" does not necessarily mean "I think I OWN this lane;" it can simply mean "the lane I am in, as opposed to the lane the other was in." If you say "my flight leaves at 9am," or "my ride is here," or "my train is late," all sorts of things, nobody would assume you think you own these objects or concepts. The "possessive" structure of grammar is way more versatile than mere literal "possession." The reason why this nuance matters, is because you have every right to be angry when someone cuts you off. Just like with everything in life, there are legal and social conventions that we expect others to obey to keep everything running smoothly and safely. When you are driving 2-4 ton death machines, it is incumbent on all drivers to be mindful of others on the road and that means giving them space. It doesn't matter that you don't literally, legally, own the space, when someone cuts you off they are stepping out of line. What is cutting off? It's abruptly and not safely changing into lanes or turning right in front of another car, causing them to have to slow down sharply or stop lest they potentially crash into you. Maybe you speed up to get in front of them instead of slow down or wait to just pull in behind. Maybe you didn't put your signal on, or put it on so last second it wasn't enough time to warn the other driver anyway. These are all dangerous and obnoxious behaviors that cause annoyance and anxiety to others. If you cut someone off, they aren't angry because you infringed on "their space," they are angry because you infringed on their right to a safe and worry-free journey. Oh and if you book it around me via a wide shoulder for God knows what reason, I will smash my fist onto the horn and not remove it for all the duration you are still in front of me, even if you take two hands off the wheel to flip me birds you mother F-ing worthless human trash, and next time I WILL get your license plate and call the cops too. Be happy I don't yet have a dash cam! Ugh I hate route 20 in Guilderland. I also concur with everyone in the comments pointing out that there could be two very obvious other reasons why drivers would take longer to leave when another car is watching them: (1) the nervousness that comes from being watched and knowing someone is waiting for you, and (2) the fact that there is now another a car potentially in the way and complicating your already difficult task of getting out of the parking spot, meaning that at the very least you have to take a moment to reassess your path out. I also would add that taking longer on purpose when someone rudely honks at you is so obvious of a behavior that it really needs no explanation. It's like I said about cutting people off - it's a horrid social transgression and thus no wonder that those transgressed would retaliate.
@elisebrown5157
4 ай бұрын
Just read Ursala K. LeGuin's "Dispossessed" and you'll see how often we use possessive language without meaning actual ownership. But I like what you had to say about it not being "my lane" of traffic but "my safety" that was infringed upon. Very true.
@metern
4 ай бұрын
Honking only works on the person who's honking. It's like shouting, "Get out of the way." Most of the time, no one listening. Unless you tell their name first.
@SoulDelSol
4 ай бұрын
Someone honked at me other day and i was slightly displeased so slowed down just a bit in response
@SoulDelSol
4 ай бұрын
That'll teach them to honk at me
@AllyriaMoon
4 ай бұрын
When someone honks at me, I just turn the car off and wait for them to leave. I don't put with it. I will leave after everyone is buckled in, my Spotify on with my phone in its mount, and nav started. 😅 So yeah takes me awhile.
@SoulDelSol
4 ай бұрын
@@AllyriaMoon oh their honk was in an intersection but i still went slower turning lol
@blackkittycat15
4 ай бұрын
@@AllyriaMoon I do that too but less to be a jerk and more of an anxiety freeze response and lack of depth perception, and turning off the engine is my way of signaling I'm not moving until it's clear.
@fraliexb
4 ай бұрын
I think some people wait if there is someone waiting, if they are too close and backing out sucks.
@scottread2979
4 ай бұрын
this. exactly this. sometimes it's even impossible to back out.
@mastod0n1
4 ай бұрын
I tend to sit in my parked car for a time because my car is my "man cave" and an opportunity to sit in peace and silence. However if someone is looking to park in the spot I'm occupying I will quickly pull out and head on my way. Someone waiting on me makes me very anxious and that ruins my peace.
@jeaniebird999
4 ай бұрын
How fast I move out of the spot completely depends on how patient the person waiting is. If they immediately start honking, or whatever, I will DEFINITELY be taking my sweet ass time. It also depends on how crowded I feel. If they give me plenty of room and are patient, I will hurry.
@joshuaychung
4 ай бұрын
In the parking lot scenario, isn't the reason, once there is a car behind you, even waiting, the waiting car blocks the view of the car backing out. That makes the driver of the parked car check extra carefully, and back out more slowly. At least, that is me.
@КГБКолДжорджКостанца
4 ай бұрын
I overthink!!!! Sue me Actually please don't, please don't
@mrdonetx
4 ай бұрын
Waiting for a closer spot is ridiculous and inefficient. I can park in a further parking spot and be almost in the store before those people back out of their spot. Oh no I walked a whole 20 feet extra. Oh no!
@paperip1996
4 ай бұрын
This is exactly why I almost always park at the back of the lot! Especially at high traffic stores, where the closer you get to the entrance the more likely pedestrian traffic is to slow you down too
@insertphrasehere15
4 ай бұрын
@@paperip1996 When you have kids, you want to spend as little time traversing the dangers of the parking lot as possible, but yeah, when I'm alone I agree.
@boygenius538_8
4 ай бұрын
If you are in a big city sometimes there are literally no other spots and you are already parking blocks away from your destination
@mrdonetx
4 ай бұрын
@@boygenius538_8 if you are blocks away from the parking lot of the place you are trying to visit, You're either using Apple flyover and you're lost, are you're doing parking wrong. Not to mention, if you're in a hurry then don't be rushing everyone else. That's your bad time management skills.
@CaptainMarvelsSon
4 ай бұрын
I always assumed the parking issue was fear of your car and the other hitting each other, regardless of who is at fault. I am also fascinated at how people have no problem turning into a parking spot, but when they back out, they don't immediately start turning (reversing their action) and instead have to back up half a car length then get stuck with not enough room to turn anymore.
@marymactavish
4 ай бұрын
This is me. I'm hyper careful when someone is *right there* and I can't predict their behavior as well.
@vanessacherche6393
3 ай бұрын
i am assuming you are speaking loosely, but unless your parking spots are huge, turning immediately will hit the car next to you, obviously. you do drive right? your complaint strikes me as one from someone who has seen backing out a parking spot, but has never done it...
@BleuSquid
4 ай бұрын
I used to let the anxiety of knowing that someone's waiting get to me, and would try to leave before I was properly settled into my car, but at some point I realised it's just not worth the stress. I'll leave when I'm ready to leave. It's not being territorial - it's being safe. The only time I ever intentionally wait to leave a spot once I'm ready to leave is when someone's waiting too close, and there's no room for me to pull out in the direction I plan to travel.
@justinmorgan7851
4 ай бұрын
Seems like anytime I see someone get into their car and put their foot on the brake preparing to leave a crowded parking lot, that's the time when the driver suddenly takes out his/her phone and texts everyone they know, and maybe calls a few friends for good measure, and perhaps watches a few TikTok videos. Then they finally pull out and drive off 5-10 minutes later.
@TheAdonismarte
4 ай бұрын
One good example of this was my classroom in high school history. The teacher I had was very chill and half way through the year he was talking about human nature and territoriality. His example was us... he never gave us assigned seating nor did anyone change seating that entire time.. no one even changed after being called out on it.
@l.zevicreations
4 ай бұрын
Tbh sometimes it makes sense for practicality id imagine. Ive been homeschooled to i wouldnt know all that much about the classroom but i'd imagine it's just nice to collectively "decide" a seat so you can just.. walk right to it. Less stressful. And if it has a little "cubby" shelf thingy (mostly for earlier grades where you don't move classrooms throughout the day) in it you could just leave things there/not have to deal with that every time you leave/sit down. Perhaps even just being familiar with who's around you for example. The small things. Probably more i havent thought of.
@MissMeganBeckett
4 ай бұрын
Yea, people choose whichever seat in most comfortable for them and don’t usually change it unless something happens to make it uncomfortable, either physically or socially, I usually picked a spot near the front by the wall near the door if I was comfortable with that class because I don’t have good eyesight and my voice is naturally too quiet to hear sometimes, but if I didn’t feel academically comfortable in the class I would find a spot a bit further back to hide in the crowd to avoid being called to answer questions but not in the back row, and if I wasn’t socially comfortable in the room I would pick a back corner so I had walls behind and beside me and I could always tell if anyone was looking at me so I could concentrate better on my work without being distracted by the people behind me. In my opinion the most confident people usually picked the middle seats closest to the front even if all of the wall seats and seats further back weren’t taken yet.
@diyathkumara2443
4 ай бұрын
Doo doo diligence 😂 10:20
@stax6092
4 ай бұрын
It's not about people cutting 'into my lane" it's about cutting in too close and making the situation exponentially more dangerous than it had to be which obviously in the instant can make one angry. Not to mention the difficulties of social anxiety we have. Also, I only honk if I think the person I am honking at has lost focus for some reason. Especially with someone like me who can lose focus easily if I was delaying something cause of that a honk can always help me do what I was going to anyway.
@hgw90026
4 ай бұрын
Hmm, I have a few questions. 1) Did the perception of time increase for those waiting for the parked spot to clear? 2) Is it really territorial or just that today people dabble with their phones before they leave? Perhaps entering a new a new destination on the gps, following up on a text, etc.
@olivinemage4233
4 ай бұрын
This 100%. I always check my phone before pulling out of a parking space because it's way safer to check texts etc beforehand, when you are not actively driving!!
@Nicholas-g7m
4 ай бұрын
A red light turns green and the pedestrian started crossing the road as I wanted to make a right hand turn. As I waited, the guy behind me started yelling GO GO GO so I STAYED because I was confused and worried about the screaming mans safety. It did cause the pedestrian to unwisely run across traffic to hurry up and also caused me to drive quite slowly away, accidentally on purpose. Poor guy lost 11 seconds of his time that day, I hope he made it to that life threatening appointment on time.
@FrozEnbyWolf150
4 ай бұрын
I've had the opposite happen. I was attending a monthly social, and when I arrived, the person sitting at the corner got up and switched seats. When I wondered what she was doing, she said it's because I usually sit there. I told her we don't have designated seats, but she wanted to move anyway.
@KastaRules
4 ай бұрын
SUPER FUN FACT: At home I park the car in an underground garage divided into many private "Units" (or "Boxes"). These Units were made in the '80s when vehicles were considerably smaller than today's. So, If another car is being parked in a unit near mine, I wait patiently for my turn as it would Not be feasible to maneuver two vehicles next to each other. I noticed that many people tend to get pretty nervous with their driving when you wait for them while they are trying to fit their SUVs in those small Units. It already happened TWICE recently that two different people, for which I was waiting, scratched the side of their car in the attempt to park quickly. EDIT: I drive a BEATER by the way.
@febberz
4 ай бұрын
I think people are right in saying they often are just more nervous to pull out when someone's waiting, but this is exactly why people should back INTO a spot! So much safer! But then also, pulling up a route, checking messages, not wanting to feel panicky and rushed before driving are valid reasons to wait longer too. I'd be interested in the reverse scenario - people seem to be extemely impatient and get too close when you've signalled to park INTO a spot and need to wait for you to do so before they can safely get away. I bet that makes it take longer.
@CaritasGothKaraoke
4 ай бұрын
The studies and experiments don’t indicate that “territoriality” is the reason for the behaviour. Just that the behaviour exists. For instance, another possible hypothesis for the behaviour might be “to punish people for acting entitled.” Certainly, if I take longer in a parking spot, that’s why. And it would better explain the additional slowdown when they honk. That would also explain why we don’t do it in the toilet: people who really need to go aren’t entitled, they’re just dancing.
@wally837
4 ай бұрын
Maybe your area is different, but 99% of the time there is plenty of parking, it's just further away. I do not wait for cars to pull out, unless they are already moving when I approach. I just pick a spot that is a little further away. It confuses me that folks will drive around a parking lot for 5 minutes to get a "good" spot, especially if they are going to be parked for an hour or more.
@Amberpawn
4 ай бұрын
I'm glad anxieties were mentioned as a missing component of the study because that certainly accounts for much of the behavior, especially when remaining still is often the (staying out of the way) factor or increasing time to communicate verbally or otherwise. Parking: If there's a car waiting I have to recalculate how fast they're moving, whether they've stopped, opposed to no obstruction when I can smoothly pull out. Payphone: Suddenly having a person waiting can trigger social queues and remind you of other things you had yet to communicate or an interruption which occurs Men vs Women: Women are generally more cautious and likely to assume a more defensive posturing in things due to social constructs predominantly due to the day to day violences committed against women.
@pauljones9150
4 ай бұрын
10:20 Urinals are very territorial I wonder if the "common victomhood" of staying in line together, made them want to use the toilet faster, so their "fellow victims", currently also suffering in line wouldn't have to wait so long. Makes the most sense to me
@woodfur00
4 ай бұрын
Glad to see the comments tearing this idea apart, here's another one for the bathroom stall vs. parking space comparison: When you're about to pull out of a space, you know pretty well the person is waiting on _you_ specifically. If you're in a stall and you don't leave, someone else will. Did these researchers control for _any_ variables?
@johnnydarling8021
4 ай бұрын
I've experienced this so many times in the grocery store. Usually, someone blocking the whole aisle with their cart, sideways. And then they spend a full 10-15 minutes to pick ONE item.
@virginiamoss7045
4 ай бұрын
Now this is something I've experienced, people behaving as if there is no one else in the store but themselves. I always pause my cart so people can get by even if there is no one in the aisle. (I like your spelling; how it ever got to be "aisle" has got to be so incredibly stupid.)
@vappyreon1176
4 ай бұрын
This isn't territorialism it's just not blocking a pathway
@abigailsmith6000
4 ай бұрын
When this happens I just leave the aisle and go get my other stuff, it's so awkward just standing there blatantly waiting while the people take their sweet time
@dracorexion
4 ай бұрын
I mean, for me it's because I first wait to see if the person's gonna pass by me, then if they stop I now need to account for them when pulling out, and 9 times outta 10 they're way too close for me to comfortably back my car out.
@XxThePlaylistxX
4 ай бұрын
Is it a law that someone has to leave immediately after getting into their vehicle? That's the thing that really irks me is that they follow you all the way to your car and pressure you to leave immediately. This was the worst in college when the only place I could get any sleep between classes was in my car, and I would have to tell 50 people that I am not leaving right now just to cross the parking lot. Not only do I not feel safe with people following me, sometimes driving like a couple feet behind me, but its just awkward. I dont think I should have to feel pressured to hurry up just for walking to my car. It feels like a bit of entitlement on the part of the parking vultures. Ive shook my head to let people know I am not leaving and people got mad, like they claimed my spot because they saw me walking. I almost never wait for people's spots, and if I do, I accept all of the consequences including waiting forever only to figure out they arent gonna leave. I just park farther away and walk, I dont trust people to park around me anyways. Im not saying I deliberately make people wait and uaually I get in and go, but if I am not ready to leave then I am not ready to leave.
@julesverneinoz
4 ай бұрын
It's the parking culture in your area(s). People in mine never got angry when I indicated I'm not leaving (I just wave 'no' when they follow). They look stressed and disappointed, but not angry, usually on very hot days. Your case is quite unique too, I think. You're dying to sleep, which means you have little patience dealing with others bothering you, which heightens the irritation.
@chribra
4 ай бұрын
I go to exercise sessions with about 20 people in the hall and no defined spaces. It's interesting that most people go to the exact same place each session and at least one person gradually moves around creating extra space for themselves.
@PurpleAmharicCoffee
4 ай бұрын
I'm not very good at exercise so my habit is to hide at the back of the class.
@Kevin_Underhill
4 ай бұрын
This past winter, I gave up waiting for one person to leave after 3 minutes waiting and moved on to find a different spot, I look in my rear-view mirror and see them finally leaving, so I made a three-point turn in the parking lot and they then put the car in drive and pulled back into that spot. There were 3 other cars in the lot looking for a space, so they weren't going to keep the space no matter what, but it was so weird. That bit about the type of car you drive making a difference explains so much. By the way, that person didn't leave until after I found a different spot. It wasn't anyone I knew; I had never been to that town before. Maybe they thought they knew me, or maybe they just drew a line and felt they had to defend it no matter how ridiculous.
@Nmethyltransferase
4 ай бұрын
7:50 Give extra distance to kook mobiles. Got it!
@jansenart0
4 ай бұрын
Wha- What economist came up with this experiment? He's missing a HUGE factor: NEVER TRUST ANOTHER DRIVER. If I see you waiting, I'm going to make sure you're not gonna rear-end me while I'm pulling out! And yes, that does take 6-10 seconds. The LOGIC of this is "I DO NOT WANT MY CAR DAMAGED BY A POTENTIALLY IMPATIENT IDIOT"
@halsti99
4 ай бұрын
meanwhile, i dont fasten my seatbelt and just get out of the spot quickly, just so that person doesnt have to wait. i probably even point them to where my car is, so they dont drive past it.
@Ford_prefect_42
4 ай бұрын
Oh... I get out of my parking spot as fast as I can because I hate being in the way. Doesn't everyone have anxiety? 🤣 Edit: the library thing I've done before but not because I'm being territorial... It's because I don't want them to think I'm leaving because they are there OR that I'm actually in the wrong aisle and I feel stupid and panic and don't want THEM to know I'm stupid and in the wrong aisle... Again... Anxiety
@GwahirW
4 ай бұрын
Had a particularly bad experience with something similar. I was trying to pull through to an empty spot. Some one was walking through that spot and put their groceries in the passenger side of their vehicle. They then fiddled with them for some time. I didn't time it, but it seemed to be at least 3 minutes. I didn't honk or make any kind of gesture to pressure them. I just waited. When they had walked around to their driver's side I finished parking, left my car, and went into the store. When I came back, my driver's side car door was covered in scratches.
@LGrian
4 ай бұрын
This is bizarre but I’m not clear on what it has to do with this study
@telegramsam
4 ай бұрын
some people are also just colossal jerks
@sergetheijspartner2005
4 ай бұрын
Store isles are like that especially with old people, my ex-wife thinks I am paranoid but I noticed that people will not let me pass, by taking up the whole isle (putting your cart sideways and then stand behind it looking at the items, KAREN? Yeah you know who you are), or just start a conversation with someone you know standing side bi side but still blocking the isle, Or this one: You are standing like 30 cm from an isle looking at the products you are interested in, then some old lady CUTS in front of you,(Yeah like literally) and starts looking at the same products BUT she takes out every item and starts reading the nutritional labels? Like ALL OF THEM??? I was standing there, I am not invisible, they just do not care. Funniest story that happened to me, this last scenario happened and I could allways know when an SBD (silent but deadly) was loaded in the chamber, so this OLD lady cuts in front of me , and I just released the SBD, then started sniffling and looked firmly at that lady as if she was the one who farted, man she cleared that isle so fast embarassed because she was so old she couldn't even know for sure if it was her or not. It also had a funny aftermath, I was one isle down, when some guy walked in to my lingering SBD, and went "DAMN, did you fart?" to his girlfriend, my ex-wife still laughs when I tell that story
@LauraPalay
4 ай бұрын
I'd never heard of that. If someone's waiting for my spot or even if no one is but I notice there isn't much parking available, I feel pressure to leave my parking space quickly. I don't want anyone feeling resentful toward me. Same for drivethroughs - I always pull away from the window as soon as I have my purchase and card back, and then only stop to put away my card if there's no one behind me in the line. But yeah, if they honk at me, I'm gonna take longer, not because I'm trying to do so (though I don't feel bad about it in such a scenario), but because they startle me and make me look around to figure out who is honking and why. Is it any personalization on your vehicle or just bumper stickers? I feel like I'm a pretty timid driver (though I can definitely get fear aggressive at times) and I have decals (geeky and/or cute), but no bumper stickers.
@briansheehan7439
4 ай бұрын
@Hank (i.e. the man): Did this study take into account other factors that might naturally slow a person from exiting a spot to make way for others beyond territoriality? For example, though my experience is obviously anecdotal / not peer reviewed, when I’m about to back out and see someone is waiting with their blinker on, I sometimes naturally take longer because the presence of a waiting vehicle sparks me to double check for other cars and rethink the angle of my car reversal. The las thing I want to do is hit another car and ruin their day! This seems like more of a casual safety consideration rather than a deep seeded territoriality, and I’m guessing these kinds of cursory practical considerations might be significantly at play in a way that makes the territory argument a bit fuzzy. Also, Disa from the Denver Zoo is one of my good friends. I’m so happy you got to meet her!
@Bear.M.ro.3
4 ай бұрын
I think this is jumping to conclusions. While the extra delay time spent may be accurate, evidence of the reason isn't presented. For instance, when backing out of a parking space, another car is hovering to get in, this can simply complicate the effort of safely backing out. Has the waiting car left enough room? Are they about the move forward? Their presence is quite definitely distracting the driver backing out, but only might or might not be getting them to be irrationally "territorial". Much the same can be said for the other situations. Social pressure is a concern for many people where territoriality isn't. Yes, maybe there's actual evidence that it's 100% irrational territoriality, but that evidence wasn't presented in this video.
@TheSuperNicktendo
4 ай бұрын
! Idea ! Wondering if there's a study on people taking longer on tasks when being watched. As one diagnosed w/ ADHD, I know I get flustered and focus and 9 different things and get reminded of all sorts of exciting tasks to complete in the future.. Questioning if those who are neurotypical act in the same manner and if the pressure has an impact on the time taken to move from that parking spot edit: grammar & format
@KurtCollier
4 ай бұрын
If you drive behind me too close because you want to go faster than I'm currently driving- I will slow down by at least 5 m.p.h. I do not care if there is a passing lane, or if there are cars behind you also tailgating. I am not in a hurry, and I will no drive worse because you are in a hurry. I both want to frustrate the person behind me engaging in aggressive behavior, and reduce the speed of the collision I am concerned will happen when the aggressive driver doesn't or is unable to stop quickly enough.
@LeeCarlson
4 ай бұрын
Territoriality is (for better or worse) the result of millions of years of successful evolution, with those who were better at guarding their resources being favored by natural selection. Unfortunately, that is not something easily undone by a ten-minute KZitem spot, though it will make some of us more mindful of our atavistic actions.
@Leo99929
4 ай бұрын
I wonder how much of this is due to the person spending some mental clock cycles worrying about the person waiting, rather than doing the things they need to do to finish up and clear out. Like it's a distraction based delay rather than a "spite"/"territory" based one?
@SunflowerFlowerEmpire
4 ай бұрын
Living in almost every single city, honking is a language. Learn the vocabulary and never honk like a Karen. Think with intent and to covey many different helpful messages.
@jacobgalle4297
4 ай бұрын
“Slow is smooth and smooth is fast”, but when somebody is anxiously waiting for your spot and you rush, you’re more likely to make mistakes that make the process take longer.
@charlessarver1637
4 ай бұрын
So competition doesn't breed better results like conservatives have claimed in the past. It actually undermines efficiency. Ive noticed this in the workplace for years
@angiepangie989
4 ай бұрын
I can't help but think of American politicians and this is terrifying but explains so much 😅😅😅. Im scared lol
@TheSleepSteward
Ай бұрын
I move faster when I know someone is waiting for a commodity. I'm not sure if all these situations are examples of human territorialism.
@normalbillet
4 ай бұрын
It seems more likely that the person leaving has to reevaluate the safety situation with another vehicle lurking close to the spot. There really is no other reason to hang about. You cannot be territorial about a place that you are leaving. That just doesn't make sense.
@Mokster43
4 ай бұрын
If you just sit in the lane and wait for someone to come to their car so you can have that spot, Rather than proactively looking for an open stall I'm just gonna assume you're not in a rush and have all the time in the world; so i take my time 😅
@HarpaxA
4 ай бұрын
For parking, in my opinion, more time was needed because they need to drive more carefully to avoid hitting the waiting car.
@VaalkinTheOnly
4 ай бұрын
See, I take longer when someone is waiting for me to get my car moving because they're BLOCKING MY ABILITY TO GET OUTTA THE FRIGGIN PARKING SPOT
@RaidenTheWild
4 ай бұрын
I thought people were just hisitating to see what the other person is doing since they don't want to get hit as they're backing out of a parking lot...
@Sxcheschka
4 ай бұрын
I work as a security guard, and I have spot I always sit in and when I see someone sitting in that spot, I get very upset.
@johnrobinson5156
4 ай бұрын
I roll down window, and ask if theyre leaving. If so, patiently wait. If not, find elsewhere to go.
@TheSwamper
4 ай бұрын
I think there's pressure on both people. The person leaving knows there's someone waiting, and the person waiting is sometimes blocking the path of other drivers.
@markedis5902
4 ай бұрын
Now find a way to stop the person waiting pulling up so close that you can’t reverse out properly.
@RavenFilms
4 ай бұрын
I wonder if the extra time in the library has to do with looking slower because of distractions
@larzlarz1140
4 ай бұрын
Dude, your hair is so curly. You never used to have curly hair. Are you wearing a hair piece?
@DarknessLPs
4 ай бұрын
What about when people are jerks and steal a spot that someone is clearly waiting for?
@dragonflies6793
4 ай бұрын
Are we sure all of these are territoriality and not like, other social awkwardness or disorientation?
@Megan-nt7dm
4 ай бұрын
I was walking by a parked car that someone had just gotten into, and watched them pull out their phone and recline their seat, as someone was already honking at them for their spot
@Phoenix-et1vw
4 ай бұрын
seeing this 3 days before my driving test feels like it’s about to be ironic
@brandonspears2028
4 ай бұрын
3 minutes longer on the phone?! That's one I can live without
@alex_roivas333
4 ай бұрын
i dont know ... if someone is waiting for me to get out, id imagine i'd take longer because i dont want to hit them as im getting out. and i would want to hit an expensive car EVEN LESS (for money reasons) 😅
@DanH-u3f
4 ай бұрын
Laying on the horn never helps, but a little beep does.
@PsychoSavager289
4 ай бұрын
This reply is my territory. Nobody else can use it.
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