If you can rule out the plastic picking up a bit of a charge, might also need to look into the diamagnetic properties of that material too.
@chesterthinks
21 күн бұрын
Excellent point, thanks for mentioning this.
@michaelperrone3867
Ай бұрын
You're using twine: twine has fibers spiraled around each other and will convert a small amount of the linear tension into torque in its winding direction. The high voltage of the inductive spike will pull the plastic to one side or the other according to any small deviation from the center positioning, changing the tension on the twine. You need to use a much smaller diameter, single plastic fiber to correct for that source of experimental error; some forms of fishing line should do the trick.
@chesterthinks
Ай бұрын
I've reproduced the experiment using a think optical fiber with 190 kV pulsed DC and found over a 180-degree rotation, so I don't think it's from the twine.
@TheProfJones
19 күн бұрын
Perhaps a capacitative effect? Also, have you looked at Faraday disk-motors? Thanks
@James-wk1ym
Ай бұрын
Hello Dave, really enjoyed your apec presentation on the longitudinal modes. Have you seen the extended electrodynamics paper by Lee Hively and Andrew Leobl? They have an experiment with two faraday shielded antennas that they claim to transmit slw between with 1261 orders of magnitude less attenuation than classical ed would predict. Could be a good one to try and replicate.
@chesterthinks
Ай бұрын
Hi James, I have seen their work but focused more on the theory, thanks for mentioning this, I appreciate it. Indeed, that extended theory I believe is least controversially stated as Feynman's off-shell formulation of Maxwell's equations.
@alanx4121
17 күн бұрын
you could use a coil instead of plastic, then you get a better picture of the rotation of the forces on charge by measuring voltage on the coil.
@BrentLeVasseur
18 күн бұрын
When you have a bucking coil where you have two coils 180 degrees out of phase, you get a longitudinal wave, which is gravity. Basically 10,000 volts+ per cubic cm of surface area - right at the cusp of the point where the dielectric breaks down and starts to make sparks is where you want to be for it to work. If you are sparking then you went too far. Back it off slightly.
@jewlie14
2 ай бұрын
You need a DC high voltage somewhere around 100.000V to ground. Those are AC modules. But the plastic will definitly turn with a bit of force aswell it will even rotate with water in it.
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
Constant HV DC would be better, but this was a quick and dirty option. As I understand, they produce pulsed DC, which is sort of like AC. Thanks for your comment! I would like to test with constant DC and might look into a ZVS flyback circuit next.
@glasslinger
2 ай бұрын
use a marksalot to put a mark on the plastic disk. DUH! The effect is from an electrostatic field generated by the high voltage.
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
Yes, it's most likely due to this. I'd like to work through the mathematics to determine why this specifically leads to rotation in the plastic object. I'll have to study the electric field in the near-zone for a coil antenna at high voltage.
@glasslinger
2 ай бұрын
@@chesterthinks Unless the disk continues to rotate the movement you see may be only slight moisture on the surface picking up a charge and then repelling from the nearest coil.
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
@@glasslinger thanks for this comment, much appreciated! If this were the explanation, then testing it in a 10^-6 torr high vacuum chamber should see no effect, right?
@glasslinger
2 ай бұрын
@@chesterthinks If it was moisture. If it was impurities in the plastic it would not make any difference. If it really was a torque I would expect the disk to fully rotate.
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
@@glasslinger with higher voltage, it rotates more. The inventor gets much larger rotations but I just blew out these HV transformers. With a pulsed DC of 190kV (estimated by a 2.5" spark gap in air), I saw a significant rotation, possibly 90-180 degrees, but I didn't get to record it. I've sometimes seen a linear force, but it's not reliable. It does seem to rotate to an equilibrium angle when leaving the power on. I also saw it rotate back when turning off. A paper folded in half nearby gets attracted to itself.
@hydniq3327
2 ай бұрын
I'm not sure why your using the coils . Direct current in a coil would make an electro magnet but it's open circuit . Did you put a compass between the coils . The wire on the coils might be lowering the voltage from the resistance of the wire . You could use round drawer handles as the electrodes . We know about electrostatic motors but they have metal segments . Good luck .
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
You make some valid points, calling this an electromagnet isn't ideal. It's more of a coil as an antenna. I was mainly imitating the inventor's setup. I'm curious if the rotation can be described by straightforward electrodynamics or not. The effect is vaguely reminiscent of the Einstein-de Haas effect, but that is stated to be noticeable in ferromagnetic materials and possibly in metals, but this effect occurs for plastic as well. I'll have to find the time to analyze if polarization or magnetization of the plastic is relevant, but the inventor claims to have ruled these things out. Thanks for sharing!
@SaveTheFuture
2 ай бұрын
David, are you aware of the paper “Very large propulsive effects predicted for a 512kv rotator”? Curious what you think about the theory there.
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
I didn't take the time to read carefully, but I can't currently imagine how the following sentence could make sense, ". Augmenting the Einstein equations with the Dirac equation makes the Einstein equations into the Maxwell equations (E&M) in the weak field limit thus implying thatwe should use a E&M source 87ie2/rnc2 =Z00 instead of the usual 87iGp source on the right hand side of the 0-0component." Also, it's strange to claim that an ungauged version of GR leads to a fractal spacetime. What does the lack of gauge theory have to do with fractals? GR isn't a gauge theory in the same sense that Yang-Mills theory is a gauge theory. There's a sense in which GR is a gauge theory, but there is no consensus stating that this is a problem. Therefore, it's not clear what problems they are solving. I didn't give this enough time, but I would guess that the authors don't have a perfect understanding of what most theorists consider to be a problem. I don't understand what a "gravitational annulmen" is and I couldn't follow how that implies the Dirac equation should be fractal. If they even wrote down the Dirac equation correctly, then they write it in an unconventional way. It looks like they forgot a time derivative and don't understand that the kappa term is for mass. They think they get an infinite family of Dirac equations from different scales, but it's as if they are saying their spacetime structure implies that the Dirac equation is actually an infinite number of Dirac equations with different mass, which makes no sense to me. I currently think the theory is a bit of gibberish and will stop here.
@ScientificLee
2 ай бұрын
I put a plastic pen lid on foam and pushed it across a bowl of water with a solid state magnet.
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
Curious! What do you think is the mechanism for the effect you observed?
@ScientificLee
2 ай бұрын
@@chesterthinks everything reacts to electricity or magnetism....and shows Diamagnetism · Paramagnetism · Ferromagnetism · Antiferromagnetism · Ferrimagnetism · Superparamagnetism · Nagaoka magnetism...and all magnetism is double helix energy flow as is electricity.
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
@@ScientificLee awesome, thanks for sharing!
@ScientificLee
2 ай бұрын
@@chesterthinks I have a ton of vids on my channel about it...put in magnetism and they show up.
@mykedoes4099
Ай бұрын
9:50 Because any dielectric is polarizable which means it has a north and a south pole . So if your potential behind a magnetic is great enough it will repel or attract to your dielectric based on which pole is facing the High potential EM field . I did not say High amp EM field i said High potential , and there is some amps but not much. Regardless you can also make a EM field with high amps and high potential , or low amps and high potential which should be considered first for obvious reasons of efficiency. 👍
@jack2122-m7v
2 ай бұрын
This may be a gravitational effect. I remember Tesla's Philadelphia experiment used two huge coils, applied a high voltage, and then something strange happened that the electromagnetic field couldn't explain. The Philadelphia experiment is very similar to your experiment, and I believe it includes gravitational effects.
@chesterthinks
2 ай бұрын
I am currently not sure. The Chinese inventor claims that it is creating a gravitational effect. I am still skeptical, yet open-minded. I'm primarily a theoretical physicist, so I'm seeking to gain more experience matching theory to experiment. I still have to analyze the electromagnetic near fields more carefully and hope to give an update in the future. Thanks for stopping by!
@chesterthinks
3 ай бұрын
Todd Desiato has pointed out that the high voltage pulses can radiate electric fields that could polarize the material and cause it to rotate. It's worth exploring the theoretical solution for this antenna to verify if the electromagnetic fields can cause the rotation without resorting to a gravitational explanation. More updates to come...
@ExistenceUniversity
Ай бұрын
What are you talking about? What gravitational effects besides earth are you expecting lol
@chesterthinks
Ай бұрын
@@ExistenceUniversity what I was saying was I'm looking to see if there is a non-gravitational explanation. The inventor of this setup boldly claims it is a gravitational effect; I'm skeptical yet curious. If I can find the time, I want to have a theoretical calculation of the expected torque and compare this with the experimental results. The first computations would be devoid of gravity to see if it can be described by electromagnetic means.
@ExistenceUniversity
Ай бұрын
@chesterthinks OK awesome. Honestly so much nonsense on here these days it's hard to tell who is testing and who is just playing with kitchen trash lol
@BracaPhoto
15 күн бұрын
It's got static electricity attached to the surface of the plastic... rub it and it should work better 🎉🎉❤❤
@BracaPhoto
15 күн бұрын
Air currents from the vibration of the bottle will travel through air as well - Good experiment either way
@newmonengineering
2 ай бұрын
Interesting
@jeffreydani8616
Ай бұрын
Why put plastic can u just put metal anyway
@chesterthinks
Ай бұрын
Metals can respond to electromagnetic fields more strongly due to the free electrons. For instance, the Einstein-de Haas effect is claimed to apply to ferromagnets and very weakly to non-magnetic metals, but the Einstein-de Haas effect is claimed to be negligible for plastics. Still, plastic as a dielectric has bound charge that can be polarized and magnetized. The original inventor is claiming that since it applies to both metal and plastic with similar strength, it must be a gravitational effect. I'm still skeptical of this claim. The main reason why I chose plastic is because the inventor did and this was just a video to reproduce the effects he saw. I chose this simple experiment to gain more experience with high voltage.
@zbigniewrichard8291
13 күн бұрын
Nothing mysterious. The plastic is not entirely plastic. It has traces of metal. You wasted time and money for nothing.
@FranzBiscuit
10 күн бұрын
This is nothing more than a magnetic interaction between the field created by the coils and the plastic lid (which by composition and weight is highly susceptible to static-electricity effects). Furthermore, "anti-gravity" is NOT attainable. This is, in short, due to the simple fact that "lengths" cannot be negative in magnitude. The ONLY way to effectively do it is by bending space-time itself, but then that requires a HUGE, planet-sized mass to counteract the Earth's gravitational well.
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