Nah, even without those i can still use my f2p weapons to do Negative-edging & Goober Cancel to do my secret-techs & Fighting Games strats
@vahallen9876
2 ай бұрын
The thing is that people will always have a distaste for weapons because of opportunity cost A new character will always be more exciting compared to making your character marginally stronger trough higher stats Even dupes of a character sometimes can bring some difference in how you play the character, so even dupes are valued higher than weapons Why pull a weapon when I can get more gameplay? The currency is the same so people tend to prefer spending for new characters and dupes
@taxenofhearts
2 ай бұрын
This
@timogul
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, if weapons are important, then they need to be made MUCH cheaper than they currently are.
@AngelOnerom
2 ай бұрын
It's not only "opportunity cost". It's also straight up better investment until years into a game. If you don't have full coverage for all types of elements and mechanics, pulling for weapons will always be non optimal.
@kelogz007
2 ай бұрын
this is it,lol. Will quicker save for a new character before I spend all my guap on a weapon. I think the only time I would consider a weapon pull is if the banner is on a rerun and there are no interesting characters in the near future.
@francish3135
2 ай бұрын
22 mins to say a whole lotta nothing lmfao just bad take after bad take, video after video
@OldSchoolMinded
2 ай бұрын
He was like this in hsr too. It's a comedy show 😂
@Ch40ticC4su4l
2 ай бұрын
Maybe stop watching then 🤔
@FoxImpactZero
Ай бұрын
ty you saved my time
@alfxi.
2 ай бұрын
the only mistake here is this game not having 100% for weapons with abysmal 80 pulls pity. fuck this shit
@whatamidoing8274
2 ай бұрын
Genshin is so so much worse with weapons it makes the 75/25 look generous
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
faaaaaacts!
@dirtymonroe1438
2 ай бұрын
100% wep banner is more predatory vs 75/25. 100% incentives ppl to spend pulls or money, since it is guaranteed, unlike 75/25 or the genshin model, which turns a lot of ppl off, as your sentiment proves.
@alfxi.
2 ай бұрын
@@dirtymonroe1438 bro what the actual fuck are you talking about? 100% banner let's your stupid ass to PLAN getting units with their signatures, therefore improving account quality. you get what you see, ~70 pulls for a weapon. 75/25 system can instead fuck you in the ass since you didn't get shit and have to essentially give up with random shit you didn't need or spend a lot of money to get what you wanted. y'all shilling hoyo so much like its your baby mama, this shit is so diabolically stupid.
@timogul
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, they can't have Genshin weapon banners if they don't have Genshin's "you don't ever *need* the weapons banners." If you need the weapons, then they need to be like Bangboos, something easily farmed for.
@seunabe4612
2 ай бұрын
I feel like you don't understand, no one is saying that anyone's signature weapon isn't the most valuable on the character in which it was made for, that is just objectively wrong. However, saying that Prydwen shouldn't base their tier list, made to be catered towards a f2p audience mind you, off of not having access to a signature is just a bad take. I understand that you're trying to make the point that f2p players who care for end game should not fully dismiss getting sigs, which I fully agree with, but the problem with that, which you fail to ever take into account whenever you make videos like this mind you, is that a f2p player who started this game from day 1 with bad or even average luck could barely even cinch a guaranteed Ellen, much less pull for and acquire her w-engine, and that's the part of this whole thing that you consistently fail to address. Yes, free players shouldn't dismiss sigs as useless, but also take into consideration the fact that the likelihood of a f2p who lost their 50/50 to a character getting that character's sig is practically 0, two things can be true at once. You always make it seem like people aren't getting sigs because they feel like the wep banners are scams when in actuality it's that they can't get them at all, and in that case Prydwen is 100% taking the correct approach to how they go about it.
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
Respectfully, I agree with most of what you’re saying except the part about me acting like players are choosing to not get it because XYZ. I think, players like you and myself, given the F2P approach will usually not have a W-Engine if we lose to RNG. I’m with you on that. However, most of the comments or discussions I have about this kind of topic is always “character over weapon. I want weapons not characters, but I also want to get max rewards from end game. For free.” That, is what I was directing my own comments towards, not so much the thing you and I agree on. My intention also isn’t to make it feel like players must do this or they’ll just brick their accounts. It’s giving them the info & why, so they can make the decisions on their own. That’s all.
@wakuwaku2554
2 ай бұрын
Actually signature w engines doesnt matter in a limited time banner w engines though as long as you can build your characters right with different w engines still you can get to beat the endgame content ... You just need the stats afterall and some good passive
@samsan4644
2 ай бұрын
I am a F2P and what you said is so true man. I want one of those weapon too but the game forces us to choose. And I would rather have another Ether DPS or an electric stunner than pulling for Ellen's weapon. She is doing fine without her signature.
@helostories5017
2 ай бұрын
@@wakuwaku2554 have you beaten the end game, or have seen someone who beat the end game
@wakuwaku2554
2 ай бұрын
@@helostories5017 im already in the end game but small roster of characters just make the end game abit challenging due to lack of characters which also focuses on ether damage enemies where ether characters that we have is only Nicole for now soon will have zhuyuan and more in the future
@XFsnowblind3
2 ай бұрын
Bro here thinks we ignoring weapons because we think they are bad. 🤣 Let me shed some light on the situation, speaking for everybody not pulling weapons: I'm broke, bigga, I'm broke!
@GabeHowardd
2 ай бұрын
Well, at the end of the day picking building your roster for different elements will always be better than minmaxing a few characters.
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
Yeah but majority of the standard banner S ranks cover almost all the elements. You’re just missing either and ice and what we’re the 2 dps units in 1.0? Grace and Rina for electro Soldier 11 for fire Neko for physical You’ll eventually get all these units
@kmel3588
2 ай бұрын
Especially in a game.were.you know they will be rotating elements and nerfing the effectiveness of elements in the end game defense mode to push banner character just like HSR and Genshin does so it's better to have a wider pool than a.shallow one.
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@kmel3588 but just as is said in the video, you’re gonna wanna vertical invest in the limited characters you picked up first opposite from what you do in genshin. Make sure the characters you choose are the best they can be (ideally with their signature at some point) before going for the next shiny character that comes out.
@MugWitch
2 ай бұрын
@@insertnamehere2022 I mean I get you, but you can only guarantee one standard banner character choice. I know someone who has C2 Grace so far.
@user-lj8yq9vs8t
2 ай бұрын
@@insertnamehere2022 That's very theorectical. With how many pulls they give us for normal summons, we don't get enough to hit the hard pity often enough. And with the normal banner, there's a good chance you will get a weapon rather than a character half the time. I missed Lycaon for my first S-Rank guarantee and now I am on 140/300 (I got a weapon for the second guarantee) pulls to get him. Since it's recommended to use your currency for the limited banner, it's just super slow getting pulls for the normal banner. How long will it take to get the ones you mentioned to cover the elements? Unless you're planning to spend, this will likely take years. And while you're doing that, you will probably have issues trying to finish content like Shiyu, which will be a good source of income for more pulls. So in the early game, I think it is better to get more characters so you have more options. If I got Lycaon, I'd be able to swap him with my Anby, which would make my Ice team much more potent. Even without his signature weapon, it will be a huge difference just because his kit is much more superior to Anby.
@netherlord5959
2 ай бұрын
As someone who has played all the hoyo games, the difference between hi3 and the more recent hoyo games gacha is night and day. First of all hi3 had no 50/50 with 100 pity and the gear banner (focus supply) had 10 pity (albeit there would be many offrates which would impact banner value) with guarantees depending on the banner (a lot of them had 30 pity for 1/4 of the rate ups while weapon specific banners usually had 50 pity). Compare that with new hoyo games: character banner has 90 pity with 50/50 (so realistically if we count soft pity u'd need 150 pulls to be comfortable with affording the character) and that's not even mentioning that weapon banner has 75/25 with 80 pity! While in hi3 weapon is an essential part of the battlesuit's kit fixing their rotations and adding new utilities, genshin/hsr/zzz weapons are mostly stat sticks and so the opportunity cost is not only massive considering the main weapon, but in the meantime u'r only getting 4*s unlike in hi3 where the offrates also help your account. With all that in mind I would say weapon banner is a light spender thing, I just can't see a reason why an f2p player should prioritize extra stats over new gameplay. I will say that eventually after enough horizontal investment due to diminishing returns it would probably be more efficient to vertically invest in ur main teams. The other difference is how the games treat meta tho, which I will give to the new hoyo games: powercreep doesn't feel like it's actively pushing out older characters out of relevant usage, whereas in hi3 the weathers and just raw number increase will push new battlesuits out of meta relatively fast (hsr buffs are a lot more lenient with which characters u can use)
@flameofanor1415
2 ай бұрын
@DarkGalahad1 Daillies arent the main source of gems, plus hoyo has a set amount of gems for each patch they distribute across content, your reasoning is just wrong.
@vulpixel
2 ай бұрын
Who cares about a 20% damage boost? You can clear all content anyways and there’s no leaderboard! Spending 100 pulls to earn 2 is silly. It’s not like HI3 where weapons change a rotation. It’s just bigger numbers.
@ryoma9802
2 ай бұрын
This, spend a maximum of 160 pulls to get 2 or 3 pulls dont seems smart to me. People just values too much clear those Abyss game modes that forgot about the rewards, miss 1-2 stages per rotation is not a big deal.
@jamesdavid2893
2 ай бұрын
It's negative edge, 20% boost to ego, incredible spike in disconnect, you just can't match it.
@SonicBoyster
2 ай бұрын
You say that now, but in 6 months when Ellen without her weapon has been massively power crept by all the new DPS characters it'll feel pretty bad. That extra 20% keeps her relevant a whole lot longer.
@samsan4644
2 ай бұрын
@@SonicBoyster yeah but you could also argued that by that time you could have the new character instead of the 20% boost.
@benzosk2604
2 ай бұрын
@SonicBoyster so you just gonna keep playing 1 character forever in a gacha game? Don't let me see you pull Miyabi
@benzosk2604
2 ай бұрын
Big L take Yeah spending 10k gems pulling weapon for 400 extra gems a month Imao DO THE MATH
@helostories5017
2 ай бұрын
Will it be though? only time will tell. If the end games turns out to be so hard, that 20% will come in handy.
@benzosk2604
2 ай бұрын
Then you use the gems you save to pull for new broken character instead of old weapon. Also there no chance you can't atleast get to Shiyu 16-17 each rotation with very casual team just mashing buttons, don't need to care about extra 1-2 pulls.
@sai_neko_reddy
2 ай бұрын
@@helostories5017you are forgetting the fact that it's a hoyo game and a gacha game I can bet my k Money that it isn't gonna be hardddd
@DoctorQcumber
2 ай бұрын
Fighting game player tells you to read weapon descriptions for 23 minutes, colorized Like seriously, just look up the dps differences between the weapons. It's big, but not as big as having one of your teams hard walled by a shiyu defense floor. You can always pick up a weapon on the rerun
@Daniel-ik6wi
2 ай бұрын
why pull for a w engine when you can negative edge and kara cancel?
@Bdog4114
2 ай бұрын
I lmao irl when I read that. Too good
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
Need the weapon to get a good karaoke cancel my boy. Otherwise you’ll negative edge death:
@teamgmeggshell7476
2 ай бұрын
@@IyoXS bad take 🤦♂
@paulyu535
2 ай бұрын
There's less elements and less members on your team. The room for horizontal Invesment is lower and so vertical investment is more impactful. Having strong weapons on characters just makes so much more sense. Glad to see you putting out a vid, but there's less hype and pizazz in your editing. Don't lose that excitement, man. Your excitement is what makes listening to you yap fun haha
@S.W-PILGRIM
2 ай бұрын
600 vs 400 dislike ratio
@Osaaamaaa
2 ай бұрын
Damn too little dislikes. Let me help change that.
@tintedplot96
2 ай бұрын
I say first cover the attributes you need (either fire or physical) (either or ice) and probably an electro. Then rolling weapons can come into discussion
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@tintedplot96 luckily the standard characters check all you element needs except either. Which is why I think Zhu Yuan is a better pull than Ellen (unless you got lycaon)
@Arlé-c4s
2 ай бұрын
@@insertnamehere2022 It still depends on luck. I got sht luck in standard banner, 130 pulls in and I only got Koleda and Grace weapon (and I don't have Grace and also not even Piper to use it). Meanwhile I got Ellen on the first ten pull (I rerolled though), and then early Lycaon on 30 pity so now I'm guaranteed Zhu Yuan. To top it all off, I just tried my luck by dumping 10 pulls and viola, Ellen's signature came home on the first ten pull. 😭 I initially didn't want Zhu Yuan but now I basically have no choice but to get her cause I CANNOT MAKE A SECOND TEAM!
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@Arlé-c4s Damnnnn youre honestly set tho once you get zhu yuan, youll have all the coverage you need once you get lucky to get the rest of the standard characters down the line and that can take a while but you really only need 2 teams minimum. you can either vertical invest in their weapons or pick up some characters if you dont wanna wait to get lucky for standard characters, up to you
@CrazyLikeUhFox
2 ай бұрын
@@Arlé-c4sim 120 into standard banner with nothing to my account but rina (basically the only S I didn’t want at all), and I don’t want Ellen so I’m sitting on like 70 pulls, but in the meantime it means I have no DPS to speak of. Do I really keep investing in fucking Corin to clear and farm content until a decent character banner comes along? Am I fucking myself by investing resources in shitty A rank agents? I just feel like Ellen will be powercrept into irrelevance in like a year.
@jamesdavid2893
2 ай бұрын
I have no choice I'm blindfolded.
@NCG420
2 ай бұрын
Haven’t watched the video yet but I can vouch for this after getting Ellen’s W Engine HOLY the DMG numbers went through the roof she is already about at 100 crit rate and 150 crit DMG with mid tier gear. It’s worth to get the weapons but only if you save your resources correctly and manage your characters and teams right
@nunosantiago6813
2 ай бұрын
I wonder if I, as a f2p, will be able to get Zhu Yuan + her weapon (and maybe Qingyi COPIUM)
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@nunosantiago6813 you’ll probably have to skip Qingyi but that’s perfectly fine, everyone gets anby for free, then you’ll just save for a rerun I’m also f2p and I have about 150 pulls saved (skipped Ellen) If I win my 50/50 and 75/25 I can get both but we’ll see
@remomareno
2 ай бұрын
We'll have to risk our entire account, pull to pity, and hopefully survive. There's just an impossibility to pull on weapons right now for free to play players. We can't care
@XenderPlays
2 ай бұрын
C'mon bro. 1v1 someone to mintpick 😂
@kenkaneki3873
2 ай бұрын
Emenator of Dual DPS returns and is glowing with holy light damn! (The brightness flashbanged me ngl 😂)
@novedember
2 ай бұрын
When Iyo drops a video about something combat related, i take his word for it because if you guys haven't heard, Iyo is an OG fighting player =)
@soulk_11
2 ай бұрын
I thought bro got goober canceled
@Montanh4_
2 ай бұрын
I got the point. S rank weapons really improve a character's value, but pulling for them shouldn't be recomended. It is possible to make everything in the game without them AND, when you think that the majority of players are f2p/low spending, going for S ranking engines could actually mess the account up. I got Ellen (pity 70~80, won the 50/50). Then I started to pulling for her weapon. Got to pity 74 and lost the 50/50. I could've pull for Zhu Yuan and in the worst case scenario, I would get another S rank character, expanding my comps possibilities. Could've save for Qingxy or Jane, etc. Characters will ALWAYS have more value in games like this.
@naufalsyauqifillah6388
2 ай бұрын
Master iyo the one and only the honored one in gacha games 🎉
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
At this point I have to just play into it. 😅
@nereas_gaming
2 ай бұрын
As a long time HI3 nirvana myriad player this is just wrong and you really should stop trying to oversell w-engines by comparing them to HI3 weapons. The fact that Ellen's weapon synergizes with her moveset such that it activates passively doesn't change the fact that all it does is buff her crit rate and make her numbers bigger which feels especially impactful early game when nobody has had time to min-max discs yet. This is not kit defining. This is literally just +crit rate. When you mentioned Raiden's weapon in HI3 you focused on the big +lightning modifier and then quickly glossed over the "oh yeah and she gains an extra ability I think". That 'extra ability' fundamentally changes how her ult works so that now instead of riding the dragon and blasting damage over time you use the weapon active after ult and then ult finisher instantly dismounting but instead of leaving the dragon stays around passively blasting while you attack along side it on the ground dealing more damage, improving SP gen, shifting her damage profile to be way more front-loaded and effective and significantly increasing instances of time stop thus providing access to rotations and strats that cannot be executed without the weapon. This is not even in the same universe as "gains a lot of crit rate passively when doing her rotation" The easiest way to conceptualize an HI3 weapon in ZZZ terms for Ellen would be if her 2nd follow-up on her EX-special didn't exist at all as part of her base kit and instead was a passive on her w-engine. Like as in without the weapon equipped you literally could not access the shark tail attack. Also without weapon her scissor attack would only generate 1 flash freeze stack. You would need the weapon in order to generate 3 at once making the character extremely clunky and slow to play without weapon. Also weapons would buff decibel generation so much that without your team having weapons you'd only be able to ult every 3rd or 4th stun cycle. Now you're getting closer to HI3 weapons. ZZZ weapons are carbon copies of Genshin and HSR in every way there's not a single thing about them that is "HI3-like" or kit-defining or required to play the character correctly. We get it, you like weapons and you want to justify investing in them to feel powerful early on with inflated stats that let you clear high level content when you're still low level. But please stop trying to pretend these weapons are something they are not. You don't need Ellen's w-engine to play Ellen correctly and access her full kit and do the same rotations and strats as everyone else. Also "you're gonna have a bad time if you don't vertically invest" I predict this is going to age like milk and in 6 months youtube feed is going to be filled with "look at me clearing ZZZ end game with A-rank agents and A-rank weapons only!!"
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
You are telling me this, and while I simply don’t have the energy to respond to everything right now, what are you saying completely contradicts what other Nirvana players are telling me. In fact, I have more Hi3 players who have come to me on their own (before this video) to ask me my opinions on this very topic of game direction. My intention isn’t to uh… somehow push every F2P to always get a weapon or something. It’s simply making more players aware of what is projected to happen based on current paths & data from multiple sources that all creators have shown. If, in 6 months, nobody is clearing with A-ranks, then that’s not a W-Engine problem, that’s a player problem. I can’t argue about that.
@nereas_gaming
2 ай бұрын
@@IyoXS which ZZZ characters have a kit that is partially disabled or severely nerfed (mechanically, not damage numbers) without their w-engine that just play like absolute crap and can basically only work in casual story content and will never feel good to play in end game unless you pull their w-engine?
@hndkp.
2 ай бұрын
@@IyoXS very interested in what those nirvana players are telling you that contradicts what the original comment said, lol. the main point is, you glossed over to those 'extra ability on a weapon' way too much which is actually bizarre if those nirvana players are actually getting the idea that zzz engine is leaning towards hi3 instead of genshin and hsr. also u misread the last part of his comment.
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
@@hndkp. My bad if I didn’t fully understand the last comment. I can give it another response if needed after understanding better. As far as the glossing over portion. It’s being glossed over because it isn’t a 1:1, but a comparison. I’m not making this out to be a necessity and 1:1 of Hi3, but instead only using Hi3 as the closest comparison since it is closer to that game than it is GI or HSR. I can’t argue for something that; A) isn’t my initial point in general and B) is a literal in which I’m not stating at all. I’m not disagreeing that weapons in Hi3 are more critical, but I am not agreeing to the fact that W-Engines hold a strong significance to X character. Zhu Yuan’s for instance, does not have an easy “F2P” replacement that gives the same thing. Now, from my own way of playing (which I completely understand is not the same as other average, casual, whatever label needs to be used here), both of their engines benefit the way I play the characters & what combo strings or rotations I favor to use.
@nereas_gaming
2 ай бұрын
@@IyoXS HI3 weapons aren't required because they're mathematically strong, they're required because the characters quite literally don't work right without them. They're missing core abilities, SP and meter gen, and their rotations fail. You're actually playing a different game on 0/4 than 4/4. Certainly nobody is disputing that ZZZ signature weapons are super strong. But that isn't news. If you want to compare the power gap of S and A rank engines vs 5* and 4* Genshin weapons and have the math to support that the gap is sufficiently larger to argue that some players might prefer pulling weapons instead of more characters I'd have no issue with that discussion framing. My issue is when you call them HI3-like and practically kit defining. They're not. Even if they made you do 100% more damage, they're still not like HI3 weapons. They still will only truly matter if max-level reasonably well built agents can't meet the dps requirements, or if you just want to beat the game easier, or make your waifu have the biggest numbers. If you want to use a comparison to HI3 weapons as the reason to pull w-engines then you can't gloss over the part of HI3 weapons that actually makes them 'mandatory' and brush it off as not 1:1 so it doesn't matter. I think in the end we probably have a lot of similar perspectives on account building. I tend to also be a vertical investment enjoyer over having 100 characters I don't play often. I think there are legitimate reasons for budget and even f2p players to consider technically 'unnecessary' vertical investment especially in late game. I just don't believe it is valid to try and equate ZZZ w-engines to HI3 weapons in terms of their actual impact on gameplay or reasons to pull.
@miragames9475
2 ай бұрын
I always get the signature weapons only for the DPS characters because usually they are the ones on field doing the damage . Everyone else can use whatever i already have.
@cibo〆
2 ай бұрын
This. I'm planning on pulling Zhu Yuan and her engine then saving for the next electro dps unit and their respective engine. Only exception might be ether stun since there are no current characters that fit that archetype (although even then, Anby or Qinqyi will do just fine). Other than that, I think the upcoming non dps S rank units will fit in the same niche as their A rank counterparts, so I'm alright with skipping until I secure all elemental dps units.
@miragames9475
2 ай бұрын
@@cibo〆 yeah , i would like to do that too, getting all element's dps and their weapon and just build a team around them.
@captaindanger13
2 ай бұрын
speaking of deep sea visitor, it took me 71 rolls into the weapon banner to get an S rank w-engine, but... it gave me Grace's weapon 😭. yeah i know Grace's weapon is good, but i spent all of my polychrome and whatever the starglitter is called in this game getting ellen and trying to get her weapon and i didn't even get her weapon. at least i got ellen, tho.
@stephymink
2 ай бұрын
She will get rerun eventually, you can always get her weapon again then.
@inventedbaton958
2 ай бұрын
just my opinion, but I don't think it was ever an issue about thinking the weapons were bad, it was more so an issue of whether you should pick a character's signature weapon, or potentially their BIS teammate. I really wanna get zhu yuan on my account, but I see that 1.1 is bringing in the police squad and hopefully one of them is very good with zhu yuan. The question then becomes is it better to get zhu yuans weapon, or get (potentially) one of her BIS teammates. Vertical investment is 100% the way for f2p/low spenders, but I think u don't just vertically invest into 1 character, you vertically invest into that character's team, and picking up their teammates is part of that. I'm not sure about ellen's numbers, but I wonder how does her performance compare between her having lycaon vs not having lycaon but also having the weapon.
@tidus9942
2 ай бұрын
the stun unit is immediattly after Zhu Yuan.
@kmel3588
2 ай бұрын
You can clear content with 4 star light cones fine in HSR, likewise I don't feel it's necessary at all to go for signature w engines especially this early in the game when down the like there might be better power crept character with w engines that might work better or you can just pull them later
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@kmel3588 the 4 stars from these two games are very different, he explains in the video how general the free options are compared to the signatures which diminishes the value of the character more drastically than in games like star rail Think of it like Honkai impact, where the character is not complete without their weapon, they def work without them but you’re missing a lot
@kmel3588
2 ай бұрын
@@insertnamehere2022It's only 1.0, it's too early in the game to call that ZZZ works more like HI3 than HSR. Just because you don't have ellens signature or lycon doesn't mean shes "incomplete" and you cant clear content with just E0S0 Ellen for example.
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@kmel3588 they are incomplete, just ask the people who tried her without it and got her sig later on. Very different. You can definitely still clear content with the generic A rank weapons and it’s 100% too early in the games life, but you can’t deny the importance of these weapons for these characters when 1 A rank is offering just some attack% and the other is giving you 44CV with ice dmg bonus and more. It’s a night and day difference
@dr.strange1300
2 ай бұрын
@kmel3588 trust me brother Ellen with and without her signature are literally 2 different characters.
@giantship555
2 ай бұрын
@@insertnamehere2022Everyone know 5* weapons are busted. The guy is trying to say they are not "necessary". That's the difference between ZZZ and HI3. You need the boost from the weapon in Honkai because you compete against other players. In ZZZ, 5* or not, you will be able to beat the game. Hope it makes sense
@XRay2x
2 ай бұрын
22 minutes of pointing out that signature weapons/light cones/wengines are bis for their respective characters ain't no way.
@FerrDraws
2 ай бұрын
5:21 That's a glitch, you are in the recycle menu
@AngelOnerom
2 ай бұрын
I think it's wild to suggest people to pull for weapons instead of spreading themselves in order to get full coverage for all types of elements and mechanics. It's particularly insane to start investing vertically this early into the game (when it's the characters who easily get powercrept the most). Maybe if you could share weapons between characters (ala Wuthering Waves) it could be a sensible argument, but otherwise...
@sweetnothing8476
2 ай бұрын
My plan is to get the characters I want first and then the next time those characters come back I’ll try to get their weapon
@trytoxania7020
2 ай бұрын
IMO at this point in the game: Is it possible to clear endgame content with well-invested disk drive sets, A-rank weapons, and honed gameplay skills? If so, then the very limited currency to get new things in the game are best used on varied experiences/play styles (characters.) For me this is about investing in enjoyment over effectiveness.
@Clockwork-Heart
2 ай бұрын
I've beaten all content so far that the game has to offer, and all of the hard modes. They've all been S ranked. I use Ellen, Soukaku(sp?), and Koleda (with Neko, Nicole, Piper for Shiyu Defense). Garbage discs, no sig weapons, and did perfectly fine. I've not died once. This whole "SiG iS iMpOrtAnT" imo, is bs, because I've personally proved they aren't. There is absolutely not one piece of content (so far), like Genshin or HSR that requires that crap. Will sigs make your characters better? Absolutely, without question. Are they needed or would I even recommend them? Absolutely not. Even if you were a heavy spender and had thousands to burn, I'd still suggest a new unit over an engine. They simply don't bring anything to the table that's needed, except maybe an ego boost at doing 200 more damage or some other highly niche thing. Ellen's for example? Only really being useful to her? Oh no no , that is an absolutely massive pass.
@XiaZ
2 ай бұрын
W-Engines aren't necessary, It's just EZ mode button. If you think the game is too hard, pull them. The only thing they add to the gameplay is make it easier, unlike Genshin where the weapon have appearance value.
@Corusame
2 ай бұрын
Save up enough pulls to guarantee your favourite looking DPS character and their signature w-engine. Simples
@WierdEnuf4Ya
2 ай бұрын
What I'm hearing is saving my residual signal for an s rank weapon of my choice rather than using them for more searches might be more worth it in this game.
@tidus9942
2 ай бұрын
no its not because the standards are no where near as good as limited ones plus down the line if you do start pulling weapons which I would not do until your account is solid, you will get them eventially from losing some 75/25.
@Mole550
2 ай бұрын
The sad part for me is that I got Grace’s weapon and no Grace. One day it’ll happen and I look forward to it.
@xemnasxiii3992
2 ай бұрын
Ngl idk how I should feel about the fact that in both account I've made for ZZZ, I've gotten a 5* and their signature weapon... One of the two took way longer than the other one and is coincidentally the one I'm maining...
@negative2positve380
2 ай бұрын
I got grace and rina Wengines 🤣. Have neither characters
@Mole550
2 ай бұрын
@@negative2positve380 that’s rough. Hopefully you’re able to pick one up off a cheeky standard pull
@tranquocanh5229
2 ай бұрын
I have played Hi3 for more than 2100 days. The problem is, while u can consider this game as "Western Hi3", they are not indentical as u might think because of how HI3 handles its gacha and competive contents. Not to mention this game are using Genshin format of gear and team progression, so its hard to put the effort to pull on W engine banner right away. maybe good idea on the rerun, but the truth is not so many people willing to pull on rerun anyway.
@ScottAchie
2 ай бұрын
I think when people talk about how strong characters can be, it’s important to factor in what contributes to their strength. For example, each character has a base amount of strength EVERYONE should be able to get, like promotions, skill levels, and combat playstyle/combos. This is the baseline. The things that change a character’s usefulness/damage are things like artifacts, character ascensions (or character dupes) and your weapon. These are things that move your character past the baseline. Because there are so few factors like this that are not inherently built into the character, each factor that is available is just that much more important. That is why not having a good weapon, is like not having 1/3 of what could make your character its best self. Now obviously there are more factors to consider, like team synergy and other weapon’s viability, but the point is that your character has so few ways to become stronger, that each factor is just that more impactful. (Sorry if the wording sucked, it’s kinda hard to coherently put all of this into words)
@BlueBamboo9
2 ай бұрын
If ZZZ w-engines changed the moveset, along with giving extra damage, I'd be compelled to pull for signature weapons. Since that isn't the case and it only increases damage, I don't believe I'll pull on any. I'm a F2P/Light Spender and, unless I LOVED the character (In Genshin, mine was Xiao. So I rolled for his weapon and got lucky), I can't see any reason to go for signature weapons. That said, I can see WHY people do it. As contradictory as it is, I can see why the extra damage is sweet. On that same coin, It's just not worth it. We're talking about REAL LIFE time being invested here. A good degree of patience is REQUIRED for gacha games. The price is just too high, as is the time investment. While ZZZ is giving us lots of searches, that'll diminish as time goes on. Now if ZZZ lowered the pity for weapons, THEN we can have the debate. However, since we have a 90 pity for a characters 50/50 and a 80 pity for a weapons 75/25, I can't support the message. The biggest thing to me is the time investment. You loss a 50/50 for the character you want, now you can't get any more characters for probably weeks to months. Miss a 75/25 for a weapon SPECIFICALLY for a character, you'll have to pay the same price. Essentially wasting searches and slowly removing the fun factor that even got you into the game in the first place. I get that that is the whole point of gacha games, to roll for stuff, but having patience keeps you locked in for a much longer time. It sucks, but that's how F2P players have to play. I'd much rather have fun throughout a games life than blow out on a single character and their weapon. TL;DR Just giving my reasoning behind not supporting pulling for weapons. Not assuming the it's being pressured on us, but just giving an opinion:)
@baemonrawr
2 ай бұрын
Btw lvl 60 max
@eddystylez
2 ай бұрын
I already can hit floor 9 with a scuffed lvl 40 Ellen team. 4 star weapon and disc drives lmfao People are freaking out over nothing here.
@vahallen9876
2 ай бұрын
@@eddystylezto be fair floor 9 is not even the first real endgame floor, the real “abyss” is the floors that refresh every month Current ones are the ones that we do once and never touch it again, it’s the entry level
@eddystylez
2 ай бұрын
@@vahallen9876 Ahh I see. I was mistaken then.
@scaryflowercat6930
2 ай бұрын
I acknowledge that the weapons complete the character but i am not gonna use pulls for the weapon banners as a free to play player. I will wait until we start getting reruns.
@skibidi_rizzler_montana
2 ай бұрын
All the BP W-Engines are mid at best... BUT! I still gonna risk with the spring W-engine. Only cos Seth Lowell looks like a def and he's from CIT, so he shares the faction with Zhu Yuan. And bonus energy on Zhu and Nicole gonna be gucci. We're playing long term baby!
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
Completely agree, people are thinking like genshin or Star Rail when in reality they should be thinking like honkai impact 3rd. There’s a reason why even the A ranks have signatures unlike genshin and honkai, A character isn’t complete without their specific w engine.
@timogul
2 ай бұрын
Then the character needs to come with that W-Engine.
@mistro504
2 ай бұрын
Welcome to gacha buddy @@timogul
@benzosk2604
2 ай бұрын
Yeah spending 10k gems pulling weapon for 400 extra gems a month is so smart lmao
@timogul
2 ай бұрын
@@mistro504 I play Genshin, you don't need to buy their weapons because alternatives work plenty well.
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@timogul in genshin, this is ZZZ
@Egalia_1
2 ай бұрын
I think when it comes to games like these definitely building a wide roster will be great of course, but also having a condensed roster of really powerful characters will typically give you more value imo. I'd much rather have one or two teams that can plow through everything than 3-4 okay-decent ones. Tying in with the weapon part, I think aiming for the W-Engines on the first rerun will be more appealing to a majority of players but man some characters (like Ellen) with their W-Engine just punch waaaaaayyyyyy above their weight class
@emiya1986
2 ай бұрын
Weapons, in my opinion, are comparable to the clothes on the characters(skin). This is also a part of the character(that's why it's designed accordingly), but it is not an extremely important part to play for him. This can be called "user settings", "wishes" About weapon systems... I haven't delved into the variety of them yet, but, for example: I put a "Slice of time" on Nicole because in the demo Anby she gave Billy a camera to shoot(some kind of sensory connection or neutral is important to me(as in Genshin: a weapon Liyue for the character Liyue(based on a territorial feature))). I would also like to have other engines available, rather than painted like the characters. The existing order is at its best, without thinking too much. There is such an effect as "the joy of victory", and also "there must always be a goal"("The show must go on"). The rules for characters and weapons work essentially the same way, and the reason a person might not want to purchase a weapon is definitely not a percentage. This can all be very important for the economic of the game. I think many people assume that all pull all the characters without exception, but in fact, most likely it's not like that
@r0sswell
2 ай бұрын
zzz iz the first hoyo game i've actively tried to pull for s-rank w-engines. I've always been the "pull for characters, weapon banner is a scam" dude and ended up with about 10 pre-built teams on GI and like 5 on HSR. Sad thing is, I only really have 1 and a half team built well enough to even TRY and full clear Spiral Abyss-- the rest are underleveled, relicless, 3-star weapon wielding teams 😭 I will say that at the end of the day, you definitely should at least TRY to pull for the sig wengines and LIMIT the teams you try to make 😭 RN I only have a Nekomata/Piper/Anby team + Ellen/Rina/Soukaku and i'm just happy with the fact that I can still play them even if they're not at their best YET. I pulled on Ellen's W-Engine, got both hers and S11's, and I'm vibing. Ultimately, even if I didn't get those W-Engines, I'd be fine using the A-rank ones. I'm still enjoying getting the parries and the dodges as well as the combos. Another tip would probably be that if you can't afford to secure the W-Engine or even the Agent, don't expect them to not come home and then complain that the banners are a scam 😭 If you can't get them it's fine, but don't go telling other people that it's not worth it because the sigs definitely make a difference.
@frould7203
2 ай бұрын
Weapon banner is bad unless it is universal good like staff of homa. I won’t. Weapon designed for just 1 character is 100% trap. 😂 I would get rather get a dupe.
@SleeperSoul
2 ай бұрын
Hey iyo man love the content brother keep it up
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate that!
@kami761
2 ай бұрын
If ZZZ will really head in the same direction like Hi3 then it will be dark future where F2P are either forced to ignore the top floors of endgame content or become META slaves
@PersonaPrime
2 ай бұрын
With that in mind, I've been also saying that specifically for ZZZ, I would take a standard banner W-Engine over the 30 pulls by exchanging 600 of the gacha currency. Standard W-Engines are so strong, especially for some characters, that they are worth going for over just doing 30 limited banner pulls.
@GrizzlyLord
2 ай бұрын
At the start of the game you should pull on both character and weapon, to get some 4* options, whatever they may be. After you have some ok options, you can focus on getting a char and weapons once in a while. After a while, as a bp+ monthly player, from HSR experience, you're able to get a limited char+weapon about every 1.5-2 patches depending on your luck. But this should be after you already have a enough characters to take on endgame. If you go for char+weapon at the start, you may not have enough characters to build 2 proper teams. That being said, trying for characters, at the beginning may be worthwhile, even if you don't get the characters you want, you'll still have another 5* to build around for your first (or second team). Once you have those 2 teams, you can start start saving and only pick when you're guaranteed char+ weapon
@Zeelly60000
2 ай бұрын
Holy crap bro is accending to another being with the lighting.
@skyamiya
2 ай бұрын
My man said light cone and fixed himself mid sentence you know he is ready for the next patch
@BrooksSligh
2 ай бұрын
I was skeptical about getting Ellen's W-Engine after having to hit pity for her once but I swear having it boosts her kit unbelievably compared to Cannon Rotor, Street Superstar, Starlight Engine, etc. I mean I'm flat broke so not getting Zhu Yuan but oh well shork.
@redcloud0
2 ай бұрын
Can't wait for Miyabi to drop🔥 hopefully it will in a few patches🤞🏽
@knightmare938
2 ай бұрын
Leaks say around 1.3ish
@coldspade1590
2 ай бұрын
instead of talking about how good the w engines are you should compare them to what f2p players are actually looking at when making the choice between a W engine and a character which is the dps, flexibility, and overall success of the team. for example: pulling ellens W engine was smart for me because investing in it hasnt left me without ellens best team (i have lycaon and m6 soukaku) i have the team and i dont plan on pulling on a character banner just to make my ellen team stronger due to the current strength of the team being so solid. so im willing to invest pulls into the weapon banner to achieve further growth. for zhu yuan its a different story, i have to spend upwards of 180 pulls to get her just to start, and then when looking at her best teams its clear that i will need to spend even more pulls to replace characters like anby and even nicole eventually once her teammates come out. so the question really becomes "is the w engine going to provide me more value than a better stunner or support who will certainly be coming out very soon?" and for a dps who comes out into the game without a complete team (unlike ellen) it doesnt make sense for a f2p to pull on their w engine and pass up the opportunity to unlock more powerful synergies between characters. S rank supports lycaon and rina despite being a standard banner characters have incredibly powerful core passives and abilities which easily make up for the gains a w engine would give. I imagine a limited support would do even more for their preferred teammates. And to top it off the only value you really get from this level of minmaxing is a couple extra pulls every other week or however long it takes for shiyu to reset so most people look at that and decide they would rather have fun with more characters over being able to full S shiyu. The cost to reward just isnt there for anyone to be telling people "yeah you need to get these w engines". overall i think at best i'd be pulling on W engine banners for dps reruns which i skipped initially as long as im not interested in the new characters on the banner at the same time. this isnt to say that w engines are useless but they definitely arent necessary by any means. they give stats, new viable combo options, make building characters easier, but none of that is actually needed its just nice to have
@coldspade1590
2 ай бұрын
coming back to this bc all the calcs basically said what i was expecting which is that starlight is only slightly as zhu yuans sig. the difference in damage is not worth the 80 pulls
@dr.strange1300
2 ай бұрын
Yeeeeee let's go dude, at work rn I'll watch in a bit!
@XMalikXMoodyX
2 ай бұрын
No one cares the real END GAMES IS THE SNAKE WARS event in the arcade this what you need to talk about lol. Good video bro keep putting out the content👍🏾 I do wanna see the snake battle event video tho
@Yawnz2
2 ай бұрын
I dont think anyone doubts their value but the question is, is it worth rolling for? I play Genshin and iv gone for a couple weapon banners and dang. Id rather go for characters man
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@Yawnz2 genshin is a completely different game, you hear Iyo constantly say “genshin brained” cuz that’s how it works in genshin
@MugWitch
2 ай бұрын
Exactly! Now, the weapon banner is more forgiving in this game vs. Genshin. However, it still feels like it’s not worth pulling on it until you have a solid collection of characters that cover the different elements that you enjoy playing as.
@insertnamehere2022
2 ай бұрын
@@MugWitch it’s more forgiving because it’s a bit more important, genshin you never needed the signatures but in ZZZ and even star rail they make a significant difference.
@MugWitch
2 ай бұрын
@@insertnamehere2022 A fair point but it’s still doable to clear harder content with characters wearing 4* gear in HSR. It might take more relic grinding and strategy, but it’s not 100% necessary. It just makes it easier. I can get behind how investing in your favorites is a good thing, but I personally don’t feel it’s worth vertically investing on every character to max their damage. Especially starting out bc you never know when some character is gonna drop that will outclass/powercreep the character you previously vertically invested in. 😅 HSR is infamous for the powercreep and I can imagine this game could turn out to be similar. Best to play things safe.
@SerraAbyssAlisaris
2 ай бұрын
Yes if you wanna S Rank.
@RedWolfWindgear
2 ай бұрын
I consider the Engines on par to Light Cones in Star Rail. They can make a big difference on how your characters perform in battle.
@kimmithy
2 ай бұрын
Ben's weapon is significant because his damage is all from it. he does crit damage of 980% of his defense wiith the w engine
@samsan4644
2 ай бұрын
Yes those W Engine sure are valuable BUT the question is. Is it more valuable than another character of different roll? In term of clearing contents I think not, well at least not in the current upcoming patches.
@dr.strange1300
2 ай бұрын
Watched the whole video and i definitely agree! In Genshin the 4 stars are actually quite powerful (certain ones) and since the game is designed differently, any character can benefit from any weapon so long as its within their weapon category. In HSR it changed with the weapons passives only working on characters that belong to the same path. In ZZZ its the same because the W Engines only function if they're equipped by the same character type. Units W Engines off-rip provide so much value that for some characters (mainly dps units, not necessarily attack units), they really have a HUGE difference between that mid starlight engine and their respective signature. Idk if its just me, or maybe genshin burned me on character dupes but ever since i picked up HSR i am officially DONE with the E0S0 copium. Any dps character i pick up is bare minimum e2s1 (depending on the dupes power). Ever since i started the vertical investment ive legit had 0 problems in any of the hoyo games, sure you miss out on a bunch of characters, but if youre not 12 years old and can recognize and ignore the intentional FOMO that these gacha companies produce then its really easy to skip a bunch of characters so you can guarantee (or at least have a good chance) to get some eidolons/mindscape cinemas and their signature weapons on the characters you REALLY love and are not "flavor of the month" units. W Engines are insanely valuable and im callin it now E0S0 in this game is gonna feel even worse than HSR.
@gormleypeach5809
2 ай бұрын
Ya, I immediately recognize how important the engines were. Just glad it's not as bad as the impact 3 system where you needed the character, weapons AND card set. I just pulled Ellens Wengine today on the last day lol i was stressed. For Zhu her Cinema 1 looks really good, that seems like it might net more dmg assuming it works how I think it will after playing her in the storymode
@tryhard28
2 ай бұрын
The S weapons is amazing, I get it that I will miss a lot if I do not get them. But then if there are still ways to improve that not so hurt my wallet, plus still manage to complete the shiyu defense, I think I can sacrifice the lack of signature w-engine. I know that this technical genshin mindset and true, I still have desire to get the character more than having their signature wp. I still manage to do shiyu 17 with S rank characters without their signature so I think I am not miss out much.
@jackrabbit5212
2 ай бұрын
sure, they're strong, but another character is stronger. I'm already gonna struggle to pull Jane even as a bp haver, there are no pulls to spare
@vertigovain
2 ай бұрын
Great vud, but you forgot the most important part - signature weapon makes character hair glow, going full super sayan.
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
I didn’t even know this. Ellen’s hair glows?!
@knightmare938
2 ай бұрын
So Ellen becomes a Super Saiyan Shark?
@sleepy3474
2 ай бұрын
So purely, for example, if i loat 50/50 on zhu Yuan and have to hit hard pity for her. At that point do i pull for the weqpon on a rerun? Or let's say i won 50/50. Do i pull for her weqpon, or do i pull for her possibly premium stun unit in the next patch over her weqpon.
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
If you win 50, you pull. If you lose 50, don’t pull (but try). If you skipped Ellen, you should have enough to guarantee both.
@CLONstyle
2 ай бұрын
So, my account is screwed or not? Got Ellen, her Wengine, Koleda, Grace and Soldier 11. From here on out go for horizontal build or just pick the inevitables OP units?
@iTouchin
2 ай бұрын
Light spender here, bought the monthly pass. Lost on 50/50 for Ellen, got her eventually then decided to go for her engine... Lost 50/50 on that too. Gained it on the 120th pull yesterday night... There's no hope of getting "the bakery" let alone her W-Engine...
@thepeanutter9972
2 ай бұрын
Signature engines feel so hard to justify pulling due to just how niche they are for the cost. Unlike the other hoyo games, the w-engines are element locked.
@stewie_
2 ай бұрын
Agree. Playing Raiden without Narukami weapon is so bad compared to her weapon.
@sleepy3474
2 ай бұрын
Losing on weapon banner truly feels bad
@Kelgogi
2 ай бұрын
Just wanted to give some love here. Watched the entire video (watch all of your videos), and you continue to be one of my favorite CC's that I watch regularly. Just wanted to point out that while I think the Impact analogy is definitely very true, there are a handful of signature weapons even in HSR that seem to open up new mechanics/kits as well, so it's definitely not unusual to see that here. Also, on another note, some folks even say that Koleda's signature W-engine is better for Lycan overall (I think they're both good depending on your playstyle). On a completely different note - just in case someone already didn't mention it - Tectone said he absolutely would love to have you at Austin before/around Twitchcon with everyone else, and he still respects and loves you a great deal. ♥ Hoping any drama/vitriol being sent your way due to the recent events finally subsides, and you're able to be ok. It's such a difficult space/career because of the toxicity. Just know many people want to see your continued success.
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
I will respond to you, Kel once I'm landed back home safe and sound, but from what I can shortly respond to... Whatever Tectone said there would be a lot more impactful if it was; A) said directly to me, cause I have no idea where or when he said this in between the Iyo ragging, & B) He wasn't still farming the "Iyo content" along with the others. ._. But I do appreciate you relaying this message to me because I genuinely had no idea he said any of that. It hasn't looked that way at all from my perspective, so it's nice.
@SparklySnuggly
2 ай бұрын
Love that Persona 1 school exploration music 😊
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
That’s my jam!
@pro-toman
2 ай бұрын
It's a banger... Every time I hear it, I'm reminded of that running into a wall in persona 1 for 1 hour video. Good times.
@justplay5016
2 ай бұрын
Another bad take Capcom creator.
@Zigzog420
2 ай бұрын
At what point does "smell ya later" just become the usual outro? lmao
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
It already is. 💀
@Bl4kAce
2 ай бұрын
I think the best example of what you're talking about in this video can be easily showcased with Ben. A level 50 Ben with maxed skills going through a fire weak stage on Shiyu Defense will use his EX special parry and deal 2500~ damage each tick. Take the same Ben and give him his W-engine, and you'll see him proc 10000+ damage each tick in a single EX special parry. W-engines matter so much, though not for every character. While you can have Anby's W-engine buff active for the entire stage, she's still better off with Koleda's or Lycaon's W-engines rather than hers. Whether or not to invest in a W-engine, especially an S-rank one, should be taken on a case by case basis. That said, Zhu Yuan's W-engine + her C1 basically completes her character, and if I can pull for both AND get Qingyi as a F2P, I will.
@ItsWoop
2 ай бұрын
Can you really argue that a w engine stat stick "completes" a characters kit more than BIS faction supports (e. g. using qingyi instead of anby)? Don't think so. Ex. People who pulled Seele's lc and therefore missed SW in 1.1 probably regretted it a lot.
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
It’s less about the stat stick and more about what it does FOR the character. This is why I bring up Hi3, but I will have some Hi3 veterans explaining this way more accurately once I get back from EVO.
@sabelstorm7559
2 ай бұрын
The example isn’t that great tbh, first off hunt characters just are on the down low currently as characters that hit multiple targets is preferred generally, but seele is an interesting case where she performs well as long as you hit her damage breakpoints for her refreshes, so her weapon would indeed be quite useful in hitting those. SW also just doesn’t perform that well in teams over other options, pela is more or less the superior defence shredder in all forms of content and the weakness implant is typically a bit too situational. Now an interesting use case is implanting imaginary on aventurine boss for a ratio clear since he would resist imaginary otherwise. The point I want to get across is essentially that what completes a kit depends. Like say Genshin, if we want to make Navia team stronger, the best way typically would be to pull more copies of Furina rather than Navia as furinas constellation will boost navias damage more than more copies of her weapon or constellations. Or alternatively, if we want to make ayaka stronger, her weapon is a huge damage boost over its alternatives(to be fair though, ayakas weapon is just cracked in general)
@ItsWoop
2 ай бұрын
@@sabelstorm7559 I think the point stands up pretty well. Having access to a support like SW definitely has more account value now for people who play Acheron (which is most players) plus SW is the rated as the strongest non-break support in apocalyptic shadow. Meanwhile Seele remains a niche pick based on usage rate and no other 5 star hunt can get much value from her LC. Ayaka who you mentioned is another excellent example of what I'm saying. If you have Ayaka, you will absolutely first want to pull 3 entire 5 star units (Shenhe, Kazuha, and Kokomi) before you get her weapon. They are much more essential and offer more to her team's gameplay than mistsplitter which is a stat stick.
@ItsWoop
2 ай бұрын
@@IyoXS I think what you're saying could be true for some units Maybe a w-engine lets a unit be played in a new team or niche, e.g. aventurine LC gives him new synergy with acheron. Though Ellen, as an example, doesn't really meet that. Her engine is literally just more DPS. But I'll wait to see what you have to say after EVO, maybe I'm missing something.
@sabelstorm7559
2 ай бұрын
@@ItsWoop If talking about pure account value, I agree on SW over the seele light cone as we just have no defence shredders lmao plus fundamentally it opens up certain teams on boss clears with implant. I was thinking from purely if we want to max seele standpoint, the light cone would be preferable. Ayaka I thought the weapon was more influential to damage than say shenhe, not to mention shenhe is very cryo specific. Kazuha/kokomi is definitely a good choice for account value but purely for ayaka I was pretty sure weapon is number 1 damage increase as ayaka inherently has a decent chunk of dmg bonus in her kit, so more dmg bonus from Kazuha has diminishing returns, the VV can be used by your anemo of choice after all. Plus ayakas weapon slaps on many sword users. Plus most hydros you’d use in the team would alternatively Barbara or Mona, which can still hold TToDS and the team can still function more or less as intended. Again, this is purely looking at maxing the character, for overall account value kokomi and Kazuha clean house easily. Now the main issue here is Genshin weapon banner is straight cheeks, no arguing that. Edit: I believe mistsplitter is like a 20-25% damage increase in a full ayaka team with premium 5 star supports over F2P weapon options and like upwards of 30% damage increase in teams without premium 5 star supports.
@mirkmolon
2 ай бұрын
oh boy your in danger drama
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
I know, right? It’s crazy.
@nahrubish
2 ай бұрын
It is called P2W.
@zinxoid
2 ай бұрын
nah this isnt the same as hi3, characters in hi3 are borderline unplayable without their weps or stigmas, here you can still have suboptimal engines and still play the game
@nothingsrs
2 ай бұрын
as good as ellen's weapon is, honestly i still think horizontal investment is important for the time being esp if you're legit f2p, you're going to need so many pulls just to guarantee a chara + their w-enginge assuming 70 pity and you lose both, that's 280 pulls to m1w1 a chara assuming 80-ish pulls per patch, that's 3+ patches where you won't have a character that's flavor of the month similarly to star rail, i think the game wouldn't want you to brute force past elemental resistances, so at least having a dps of each element to counter should be the minimum before you consider vert-investing
@tungtung211
2 ай бұрын
Spending pulls on W-engines/LCs/weapons aren't practical imo However having these do make playing your favorite chracters A LOT more enjoyable, it just feels right. If you have a character you really enjoy playing it's worth it otherwise not.
@ArcRaizer
2 ай бұрын
I feel like universally whenever "anything" in a gacha game has a function for gathering copies we should just say "#c" for the number of copies(or number of unlocked benefits from having copies). so like, 5c W-engine, 6c Characters, etc etc.
@advendra6078
2 ай бұрын
I don't understand your title at all, with the context. W-Engine is equal to weapon, used for combat. WHY WOULD anyone ignore value of W-Engine at all? Who stupid enough to ignore the value? lmao The game is literally have 2 "premium" banner which is character banner AND W-ENGINE banner. Why would the value of W-Engine banner is ignored? Really weird logic you have if you think other people are stupid enough and they are ignoring W-Engine value 😂
@burnitdownnn2916
2 ай бұрын
told my friend who was very lucky got Ellen in 20 pulls to get her signature, because as an oldbie honkai impact 3rd player i know the how impact the signature weap can do , it may change your character to the different level, but he didn't trust and saved for Zhu yuan , good for him but i'm happy get Ellen 70pulls but got her weapon early 35
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah! Thats what we like to see!
@azeef4926
2 ай бұрын
Holy yap
@momox22917
2 ай бұрын
thanks 4 the info bro 👊🏽
@bjornnilsson2941
2 ай бұрын
Then there’s me who lost the 75/25 on the last day of Ellen’s banner 😭
@NICO42094
2 ай бұрын
I should be the only MF
@CodeTetsu
2 ай бұрын
No way you’re thinking ever that most or even a decent amount of players are even considering the possibility of getting an s5 of a standard w engine. XD
@IyoXS
2 ай бұрын
That’s not anywhere close to what I said brother man.
@CodeTetsu
2 ай бұрын
@@IyoXS No? Can you elaborate please? Because at 16:22 you said and I quote “And of course this being a standard, well guess what? Now when it is a standard *I can eventually get this s5 or this p5*, whatever value we’re going to be using for that.” What’s the point of this statement at all?
@belugafanboi8232
2 ай бұрын
I am still not pulling for it as a f2p
@Neptuneishere5
2 ай бұрын
I agree that a character without their signature isnt fully complete because the W engine is Tailored to that character to maximize their kit... Like Ellen Without her weapon is much weaker than with because her weapon is Tailored to her kit.. But i also think people shouldn't speedrun or worry about the weapon crazy. Because you should first get a few defined Teams so you know you have teams to clear said content.. Also W vid Let Iyo cook
@WobinR
2 ай бұрын
I would pull for Ellens weapon but i got Ellen in like 170 pulls bro 😭 im broke
@Hashiunidya
2 ай бұрын
BRO THEY GOT YOU TOO (we gotta wait till 1.4 atp.)
@grammysworld5449
2 ай бұрын
Pulled Grace's weapon 3 times.. Not a single copy of Grace
@LemonRush7777
2 ай бұрын
I can't justify deep investments in W Engines since we probably will need to build one team of each element. I did get Ellen's mostly because I also wanted Anton's and Sukaku (maxed both), but at an absurd cost (lost the 50/50 on the W Engine). The A rank ones and BP ones are not as good, sure, but at least we can get them to full stars eventually. I'm going to focus on characters exclusively going forward until I have a strong team of each element (duo team at least). Then I might focus on W Engines.
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