In the Chinese 1.00 version of Elden Ring 'Sword of Night and Flame', Radagon is DIRECTLY regarded as a Fire Giant. No ambiguity whatsoever. Adding the 'Giant's Red Braid' item description which is currently in-game, I think the conclusion is strengthened. 为庆祝蕾娜菈的婚礼而锻造的魔剑。 象征雷亚卢卡利亚女王的寒冷结晶, 与象征其夫拉达冈的巨人之火, 分别寄宿在两边的刀刃中。 A magic sword forged to celebrate Rennala's wedding. The cold crystal that symbolizes the Queen of Raya Lucaria, And the giant fire that symbolizes Radagon, They reside in the blades on both sides. The entire narrative/lore of Elden Ring including Shadow of the Erdtree, with all of its plot gaps, is explained in this single video. It is an ambitious undertaking that simultaneously focuses on Radagon and Marika's intimate relationship/origin timeline. Important Clarification: At 37:17, the script made it sound like Godfrey took Serosh on his back at this moment, however he did it much earlier in the timeline. The idea is to show the difference between Radagon and Godfrey's functions within the army at this moment in time. While Godfrey suppressed his territorial urges by taking Serosh on his back (to conduct himself befitting of a lord), Radagon had no such 'burden' if you will. Also, it is possible for both Messmer's iris of grace and his physics of blessings to have been created after Marika birthed her Erdtree and the Golden Order. Maybe that was the 'deal' Marika made with Metyr, the mother of fingers. If the Erdtree became the dominant theocracy, 'then' I'll heal your child, Messmer ;)) But remember there is still no firm timeline on that. It could be earlier into the timeline as discussed. That could be why Marika got allured and listened to Metyr's command in the first place. Because she helped heal Messmer. A sneak peek at the upcoming Golden Order where the concept of death and suffering would 'supposedly' be sealed. That is a pretty convincing elevator pitch for Metyr. Marika, seeing her son Messmer no longer suffer, must have strengthened her conviction that the Golden Order would similarly be a force of good, motivating her wars with Godfrey. I hope you enjoyed this episode filled with insights I've never discussed on this channel before. It was only fitting to go all out for a project like this. Share this video with a friend. Give it a like and please don't forget to comment below telling me your thoughts. Making this video took a lot out on me ;)) Much love, Ontos
@DaneMurdock
21 күн бұрын
"And the giant fire that symbolizes Radagon," this isn't really a conclusive statement that Radagon is a giant. It does impart some allusion to it, but you make it sound like this is a definitive conclusion based on this, and I am hesitant on that. Especially because this is the Chinese text, the English text doesn't come close to saying this, and I am not sure what the Japanese text reads.
@Ontos99
21 күн бұрын
'The Giant Fire that symbolizes Radagon'. I'm sorry but you can't get any more conclusive than. Red braided description already supports it directly. This is in game and just a more vague way of pointing out to his origins. This is critical information that changes many people's understanding of Marika and Radagon (and consequently their nature) which has implications for the rest of the game as I've shown in this analysis. So I can see why it can be hard to accept it but it is what it is. I already argued for Radagon being of a fire giant origin well before I've encountered this Chinese description. Keep that in mind
@DaneMurdock
21 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 I mean. no. "Every giant is red of hair, and Radagon was said to have despised his own red locks. Perhaps that was a curse of their kind." The phrasing of this sentence isn't so cut and dry. - Every Giant is red of Hair, and Radagon is said to have despised his own locks. This could mean what you say, and it can also mean that two things are true and the connection is suspect. Every Giant is red of Hair. Radagon is said to have despised his own locks. Following it with "Perhaps that is a curse of their kind" is clearly speaking on the giants, it is not explicitly speaking on Radagon, though it possibly could be. This could also be speaking of the Giants cursing Marika/Radagon for their genocide. Which is something that the Hornsent seem to have done to her for their genocide. Did Radagon's hair turn red, and he hated the reminder? was it always red and he hated the reminder? Is his child, Radahn, and indication that Radagon was a giant, or is it an indication that the giants cursed him with a reminder, much like the omen twins? Do you see how there's a lot of room for interpretation on this? I'd love if someone with Japanese knowledge could comment on the Sword text, as the Chinese text is incredibly different from the English as you've pointed out. But it also literally doesn't cement your claim. The flame is representative of Radagon, it doesn't represent that he was a giant. But it might, there is room for that interpretation. I just don't think it is certain like you do. This is why people in other comments say you are jumping to conclusions at points. There's lines of text that can clearly be read in multiple ways, but you seem to assert without much doubt on a lot. And a number of things you've pointed out are simply wrong. Like the jar seals being the combined soreseals. Radagon's seal is a lattice, which is not present on the foreheads of the Jar people. I see where you mistook that, as the lattice looks not very lattice-like when on the eyeball in the art. But even still, the shape on the seal doesn't make the shape on their heads when combined with Marika's.
@Ontos99
21 күн бұрын
@@DaneMurdock If you think I jump to conclusions, I'd remind you that you are trying to argue against Radagon having a connection to Fire giants with 'explicit' written text in-game. With countless insuniations already like Radahn being of Radagon's child and after the shattering, becoming 'a giant' with the elden ring's power. Let alone the 'red hair' which is said 'all giants to have'. (red braided descr.) I don't have one evidence but multiple. Now if you have a stronger theory for Radagon's backstory, feel free to share it. But it will be hard to compete against in game text. If you believe a Radika theory (that they were always one), you need to explain not just Radagon's fire giant connection but also how he could lead the rebellion in Castle Morne while Marika was at the capital doing her queen duties. If she wasn't and took a leave of absence, why would she do that? If it is true that Radagon was the champion that led the rebellion (which I used item descriptions in my analysis to strengthen the thesis) it would mean Marika and Radagon were two separate bodies, doing two separate things at this point in time. I'm sure Marika has more pressing matters at the capital than becoming a labourer in stormveil castle and then leading a rebellion only to be defeated by Godfrey. Hope it makes sense better now. Arguing for a Radika theory is not as easy as you might think. Again, I understand a fire giant origin to Radagon would force most people to change their views of the game, but I didn't write that Chinese 1.00 ver. Debate with Miyazaki and Fromsoftware :D
@Otokage007
23 күн бұрын
Nice summary. It makes a lot of sense especialy clarifying the motivations of the Hornsent and their belief system. And really nice catch about Radagon leading the Weeping Peninsula rebellion. I only have a few objections: 1. You locate Messmer's birth at a time when Marika was a nobody (I mean, just a shaman), but Marika was already worshipped throughout the Realm of Shadow in her youth, when she had her two braids intact, as we can observe in some of the statues. However, when she has Messmer, she did already cut her braid, as we can see in her statue holding a baby Messmer. This means Marika was already revered in the Realm of Shadow when she had Messmer and, not only that, but the Erdtree might already exist at that time since Marika cuts her braid and summons the Minor Erdtree of her village roughly at the same time, and this spell has the primordial Erdtree sigil. 2. Out of the 7 children of Marika, only Godwyn is not cursed as far as we know. The most likely explanation is, imo, that Godwyn was born before the Hornsent cursed Marika, and so, Godwyn is likely the first Marika's son. I believe the omens are 2º and 3º. Messmer and Melina would be 4º and 5º. 3. The room of Melina looks nothing like a cell to me and is not even locked if I remember correctly, so I doubt she was there against her will. The whole place looks more like a basement of operations of some sort. Also hers clearly wasn't a regular death so I doubt she was the Gloam Eyed Queen killed by Maliketh. I think she burned herself and the Erdtree in the past and that's why she is burned and bodiless, and also why Leyndell is already full of ashes the first time be get there. 4. The Gloam Eyed Queen killed demigods, but in your timeline demigods did not really exist yet. So the GEQ needs to happen after Godwyn sprouts the Golden Lineage, so there is enough demigods to kill. 5. You present Radagon as someone that wants nothing to do with the Golden Order, but he is actualy the most loyal fundamentalist according to the game. Marika calls him "loyal hound of the Golden Order" which is almost derogatory and insinuates he was nearly a fanatic. So maybe this whole rebellion happened at a much earlier time when Marika and Radagon didn't even know each other? Also, I believe I've read an item, inscription, or whatever, stating Radagon was unknown until the first liurnian war. I also think you missunderstood Marika's quote: "thou are yet to become me. Let us be shattered then..." That imo implies they were fused at the moment of the dialogue, and are actualy shattering after that, probably so Radagon can go to the Liurnian wars. It is after Rennala is abandoned, that they fuse again and produce Miquela and Malenia. Nothing else I can think of. Keep up the good work!!
@abanerjee8237
23 күн бұрын
goldmask watched this video on radagon and discovered the mending rune
@N1tr063nFr05trhym3
23 күн бұрын
Too much baseless speculation, but you are a good storyteller!
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
@@N1tr063nFr05trhym3 As a lore theorist, one can choose to ignore the gaps left by Miyazaki and just regurgitate item descriptions (which is totally fine) but you can use those descriptions to strengthen character motivations and intentions. As long as the interpretations are connected to the description, it makes the narrative coherent and not exist as unrelated puzzle pieces (which it is actually not). This is a living breathing world with people just like all of us making decisions intending for certain things. If you dont make room for that, I think you are left with not only weak storytelling but also an incomplete understanding of Elden Ring's rich lore and characters. So because of that I'd not call it baseless speculation per se as it is always related to an item description or dialogue. They are not random. But everyone's approach is different and it is always bit of a balancing act. Those gaps are left there by Miyazaki. Ignoring or choosing not to engage is not gonna make them go away. Keep that in mind ;)) Glad you enjoyed the analysis. Much love
@N1tr063nFr05trhym3
23 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 I agree with you on a general line mate, and I really can't stand the general trend of mindless item description regurgitation. However, when trying to understand what's actually going on in the story, one must be cautious when "filling the gaps" . If you connect the dots without trying to draw the shortest lines possible between them you might not be able to recognize the final picture. It's the parsimony principle :) But then again, you did a very good job and it's not like you are doing science communication, so it's perfectly fine. Definitely looking forward for more content!
@curtisfarley6558
23 күн бұрын
You cant understand because you believe in stories. This isnt a story. Wisdom is akin to madness. How do you answer a question you cant understand? Try saying idk instead of leaning on your own misunderstanding @@N1tr063nFr05trhym3
@avnishbangar1755
23 күн бұрын
Agreed. Good effort but lot of elements of the video read as absolute fan fiction
@Bjorricha
23 күн бұрын
@avnishbangar1755 this, I couldn't get behind the whole radagon being "heartbroken by marika holding godfrey's hand" and such, it sounds so middle school lol. I'm not convinced by the long replies justifying the extensive baseless speculation either. Imo this is mostly opinion based and the title/thumbnail implying information from miyazaki is kinda clickbait
@Im_alex_h
23 күн бұрын
only about halfway through, but I’ve gotta say, you never disappoint! You’ve quickly become my favorite Elden Ring KZitemr. Not only are you extremely knowledgeable on all the lore, you’re a great storyteller. You should definitely try writing stories sometime, if you haven’t already. I’d certainly check them out!
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
Thanks! Made me really happy to read that. You are halfway into the video. More craziness is in store for you ;)) I'm currently working on Midra and Frenzied Flame analysis where I'll be bringing in a lot of research with me. It will be a different project than this. I hope you look forward to it. I'm happy you enjoyed it and found the analysis moving. I put a lot of care into generating strong emotions as I believe it is the glue that makes insights and characters' motivations meaningful. Elden Ring is partly a GRRM production and I wanted to do that justice with this work. The emotional relationship between Marika and Radagon is an overarching theme that is frankly not usually explored as deeply as it was intended in my eyes. I just hope that it adds a different way you can view this rich lore. Something both relatable and personal on a human level. Much love,
@ephraimclark5658
23 күн бұрын
These stories are made to create your own interpretation. This was an amazing interpretation and aligned well to me. I’ll watch more.
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
@@ephraimclark5658 Feel free to ask me questions if you want. Glad you enjoyed it
@Hugo_Tate
23 күн бұрын
That’s a bold ass title lol considering Miyazaki said he purposely left out things so it couldn’t be solved. But, the video was entertaining for the time
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
I hope the actual content of the script and video's ambitions meet the boldness of the title ;))
@PunishedTrouserSnake
23 күн бұрын
Don't be title baiting like that. Please.
@eaglespiritt
3 күн бұрын
This version makes the most sense
@Ontos99
3 күн бұрын
@@eaglespiritt glad you liked it
@MsJohnnyMetal
23 күн бұрын
I guess you did it, you deciphered the whole story of Elden Ring. Congratulations and huge thanks for your efforts and passion.
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
@luckyowl6432
23 күн бұрын
This was a great video! Cleaning felt a lot shorter with this on 😊 I don't necessarily agree you've solved Radagon and Marika but most things are so open to interpretation who knows... maybe you've solved it.
@therogueserafim271
15 күн бұрын
Bro is so good of a storyteller that he tricked himself into thinking he solved elden ring
@renatoszakal4315
22 күн бұрын
Super interesting video! Specially the parts about Radagon. Despite finding his parts the most interesting tho, him being called hound of the golden order and him being even more golden order fundamentalist than Marika is not really answered and brings up alot of questions itself. Also another interesting lore bit to chew on the crucible talisman says that the first crucible attributes sprouted on the giants and it's known as "the mother of all crucibles" in "ancient tower lore". Btw really appriciate your video, specially for using lore bits 99% of people look past, despite it being there on porpouse and with intent. I always appriciate people who try to dig deeper rather than repeating the same few stuff everyone already knows.
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
Golden order fundamentalism reflects Radagon's worldview as evident by Goldmask himself. As I explained within the analysis, when Radagon and Marika 'started fresh' on the capital after Godfrey was hounded from the lands between, Radagon becomes the 2nd elden lord to Queen Marika as Miriel says. This is now Radagon's values reflected within the laws of nature. Fundamentalism is all but scholarship in name (this is an item description) So he is anything but sad or disappointed in this phase of his life. Everything was going well until Ranni's assassination of Godwyn. Radagon is heavily into Golden order fundamentalism which Marika allows for. She is not this completely dogmatic bad person. She obviously had some affection for Radagon. I just argue that Radagon loved Marika more than she ever did. But that's my own head cannon. I use a lot of item descriptions to infer these interpretations. Glad you took notice. Nothing is strictly speaking completely random in this video.
@obzen84
23 күн бұрын
Great video! 👏🔥 Very interesting take on the Hornsent being descendants from the beasts of Farum Azula. Now you have raised me the question if Zamors are related in some form or degree with the hornsent as well. The Divine Beast and some of the hornsent warriors use the power of storms. I can see lightning and the spin (throwing rocks) attack coming from Farum Azula so I guess the ice attacks could come from the Zamors. They do not use fire at all, actually they are weak to it. Good job man 💪
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
Thanks. It is an ambitious project. Glad you liked it
@williamjohnson3474
23 күн бұрын
There’s only one flaw that I think hurts your timeline, Godfrey became tarnished and sent away once the war with the giants was over, not only leaving him out of the picture but that puts the rebellion before the genocide of the giants most likely furring the war where Radagon most likely first joined the golden order. I also believe that Radagon didn’t become one with marina until until after the marriage with Ratana where he was needed as the elden lord but that’s just my opinion great video other than that I like the out of the box thinking
@Pizzifrizzo
23 күн бұрын
Godfrey was most likely banished much later than the war against the giants. As far as we know, his last act was defeating the Storm King, presumably Stormveil's Stormhawk King at the head of rebellious banished knights, given the fact that Marika banished him in Limgrave and his last battle is noted to have happened on the border of Caelid. Moreover, Radahn most likely witnessed Godfrey when he was a child, and Messmer knows what a Tarnished is, suggesting that Godfrey was banished just prior to the Crusade. So yeah, Godfrey's reign must have lasted a bit.
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
The war with the giant is when the Erdtree was born as described in Smithing Stone 7. Godfrey wasn't hounded from the Lands between in the age of plenty (which is regarded in the lore to be the beginning moments of Marika's Golden order) Godfrey is hounded and shortly after Radagon holds Marika's hand in marriage which is supported directly by Miriel's description of events. Godfrey is going to have children with Marika in the beginning of the Erdtree. Mohg, Morgott, Godwyn are born in this time period. So Godfrey doesn't get hounded from the lands between right after the Giant's war. Many item description would conflict with that conclusion. Glad to hear you enjoyed it. Have a nice day
@OUGIover
23 күн бұрын
Don’t listen to the bums that say “clickbait” Lamo, your vid was peak had to watch twice to completely understand
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
@@OUGIover Of course. Glad you enjoyed it. Stay tuned for my Midra and frenzy flame analysis which I hope will show a different side of me I havent shown yet (I wont spoil it) ;)) This was a challenging video to make and I can see how watching it two times can aid a lot in retention and accurate understanding of the arguments/angles. Thank you
@OneStarRating
23 күн бұрын
Thank you Ontos for your ABSOLUTE dedication and passion for every project of art you bring to us. I have been turning my life around and you were a big part of that with your videos which helped me figure out things about Elden Ring and in turn real life. One of the biggest mistakes I made was my first playthrough of any FromSoft game which turned out to be Dark Souls 2. I accidentally attacked The Cartographer, he killed me the first time. I thought ok were cool now because he killed me but I come back and he's still attacking me with vigorous aggression, What the fuck? So I killed him this time only to later read there is a way to get absolution by going to his grave and giving your forgiveness and asking for it instead of scapegoating it to some other object or animated being. Anyways he was still aggressive because he remembers the attack I did the first time. Time only progressed to the most recent sin I committed which was perceiving him as an enemy which he absolutely was not. Thank you and especially thanks to whomever left the comment I read about how Dark Souls 2 teaches you life lessons. They were more correct than they could know! Look out for a vid from me soon, Thanks again and godspeed you Great Sir Ontos ❤🎉😊😊
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
@@OneStarRating Thank you for taking the time to write this. Tell me your thoughts when you complete the video. I hope you like it and it adds something interesting and new to your existing understanding of Elden ring's rich lore
@OneStarRating
18 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 It Begins Bro. Welcome to the moment in HISTORY 🎉❤
@Ontos99
18 күн бұрын
@@OneStarRating let me know your thoughts! Cheers
@titanscerw
19 күн бұрын
Man Ontos you go deep and well beyond mere speculation - also my appreciation of your common sense method of going after the motivations and written or spoken statements of motivations/goal of characters in the lore narrative is the superb way of arriving to correct conclusions! Nice done, sir. +][+
@Ontos99
19 күн бұрын
Yes. Like I said in some of the comments below, these interpretations are derived from item description, dialogues and thematic connections. Nothing is strictly speaking 'completely random' in this analysis. Glad you enjoyed it and stay tuned for my Midra and Frenzy analysis coming up in a few days. I hope this to be the most interesting and fresh analysis into this subject that currently exists in the lore community. Please tell me your thoughts when I release it eventually. I wanna hear them. Much love,
@titanscerw
19 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 Will watch in the future also, what I am most interested to hear is your dedicated take on GEQ and hinted video you said in her segment in this recent expose :) God bless you and yours
@camcoquyt6919
21 күн бұрын
I just kind of noticed that the giant crusher and the iron greatsword have similar styles. Almost like the kirk hammer from Bloodborne, but 2 separate weapons 🤔 - I wonder if these weapons, along with the beastman’s cleaver were forged in the same time period
@Bjorricha
23 күн бұрын
Huge amount of reaching and speculation with a clickbait title/thumbnail imo, especially using miyazaki as if you've included info from him which you obviously haven't. Theorycrafting is fine but call it that, don't pretend you "solved" the lore when it's about 75% personal speculation. And your comments like "regurgitating item descriptions" comes across like you're devaluing the work of the many successful elden ring loretubers who actually take the time to back up their theories and make them plausible.
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
I back up my theories and don't devalue the work of fellow loretubers. Don't put words in my mouth. All approaches have their pros and cons.
@FunTownUS123
22 күн бұрын
Miyazaki intentionally omits key pieces of the lore. The esoteric concepts are always there for those who can recognize them. Ontos and Max Derrat understand these concepts better than most and I think are closest to the actual lore. The "big" creators often get their theories from other people and rightly credit them for it. Keep up the great work with original content Ontos!
@Touma134
14 күн бұрын
Damn that's the worst "we need to see other people" butterfly effect of bullshit I've seen. Rip Renalla's sanity.
@k2geekd
23 күн бұрын
😭😭 lmao you don’t know i been waiting for this
@cliftonjackson441
23 күн бұрын
Not at all the lore i subscribe to, I believe in a mix of hawkshaw, vaati, smough, and tarnished archeologist and lately the centered tarnish, but it is a very, very good story you put together. But what I'm more curious about now is if celes is the progenitor of the three fingers
@space_invaderr
23 күн бұрын
"Wow our family is fcked" young Ranni and Miquella probably..
@arthurdossantos6826
23 күн бұрын
It seems to me that the twins Miquella and Malenia were born from an alchemical process from the leftovers of Radagon and Marika's union. In order to become one they both needed to make from for the other, and thus Marika got rid of her life-giving animus and Radagon his loyal and consuming anima.
@DC-xl5qj
23 күн бұрын
Epic!
@ekbergiw
22 күн бұрын
42:00 i mean, what would people say....?
@lillonerboi504
23 күн бұрын
Something to add. You mention the duality of bliss and fear. The Dragons who I have long thought were embodiments of human emotions, seem to fit this with the two great dragons. Placidusax (Placid=calm or in this case bliss) and Bayle the DREAD (fear, terror, activity).
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
That's a great insight regarding Placidusax's linguistic origin. Placid means peace and calmness. Bayle the dread who had crucible attributes we know to be origin to this world, represents fear and dread. Maybe Lamenter's mask item description which suggests how they tried to combine a 'rapturous grief' was not that off the mark after all ;)) As I said at that point in the analysis, these people were certainly smart and had a strong intuitive understanding for the origins of this world.
@dshearwf
23 күн бұрын
We all enjoy great lore theories and speculation, but clickbaiting it with this kind of thumbnail and title... "Completely solved" is not a single souls title to this day and will never be and that is by design. Should definitely keep it humble for your next project, this will do more harm then good in the long run.
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
Click baiting is a word that means you are actively trying to mischaracterize the content so that people 'just click'. I hope you can see that it is not the case here. The content of this video stands on its own and is attempting to 'solve Elden Ring' which I hope you can also appreciate the density of information that resides in a 1 hour long analysis. Whether or not this ambition is achieved is up to viewer's discretion. Furthermore, I hope you are aware of how important it is to create good titles and thumbnails. When you are a popular and well-established channel, you have a lot of leeway. When you are a small channel like me who started this work less than a year ago, you don't necessarily have such luxury. You need to not only try new things but keep it interesting all throughout. That's unfortunately the way the algorithm works. I'm not doing it because I desire to do it. Keep that in mind.
@axelgray260
20 күн бұрын
Bad video
@K8theKind
23 күн бұрын
What I really love about this video, Ontos, is that you helped the castle morne bit including radagon make sense for me. Together with your ideas and Elden Tales, it makes sense to me! I have to say, sadly, the timeline suggested doesn’t add up for me. Additionally, I still firmly do not believe Melina is herself the gloam eyed queen and the black flame is only black flame as the result of the rune of death being locked away and the source of the black flame’s power extinguishing. Thereby leaving nothing but a black flame. It’s all very good and definitely lines up with the kind of drama that fits with Miquella just wanting Radahn to be his consort etc, which makes me think maybe you’re right. But there is too much simplified here in regards to radagon and Marika and the link between Marika’s demigod “children” and each one of the wars she wages. Also why would radagon have the birthing egg in this timeline? That bit still feels too unexplained. What I will say is that even if I can’t say I agree with everything you’ve put together here, the fact that you put so much together in one place and shed light on so many confusing and unexplained parts of the lore is truly impressive. This is a masterwork of connecting the dots without question. But if this is the story, I have to admit it’s just as disappointing as the dlc’s lore at face value as accepted by most of the community. There are too many ideas else wise that make more sense to me. I think Miquella and Malenia are born far earlier in the timeline than you do. Also consider that Miquella and Radahn were children at the same time. All things considered, if that’s the case it is far more likely that Miquella was even born before Radahn was. Especially considering that Radahn would not remain a child for more than 18 years whilst Miquella would remain a child for his entire life. It’s good, Ontos. It’s quite good. It’s brilliant, really. An intricate theory craft the likes of which I have not seen anyone else produce in regards to weaving so much narrative together. Bold, ambitious and well executed.
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
Do you believe Miquella was born earlier than Radahn? Why is that? I also explained my reasons for how Radagon could gift the amber egg to Rennala in my community posts recently since I didn't have the time to add it in this video.
@K8theKind
23 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 I’ll look through the posts. I think there’s too much pointing to Miquella being born at the height of the eternal cities. From the magic that he is well versed in, to the clear associations he has with ordina liturgical town, which is an eternal town and the architectural continuity that is expressed and elaborated throughout the haligtree & the eternal cities and structures. Oh but I also wanted to say that I love your incorporation of the Chinese translation for the sword of night and flame. So much of your video goes starkly against the things I’m inclined to believe/cling to about the lore, but plenty of it also supports the things I’m inclined to believe/cling to about the lore. But it’s fascinating watching you weave all of this together and publish it in a single video. Most content creators will purposefully avoid doing that for the sake of making a series of videos that express the totality of their idea in multiple iterations which honestly makes it harder to weave together in the viewer’s mind without making a playlist and binging it later. So I deeply respect and appreciate the effort that must have gone into this masterpiece. I just want you to know that! Because I truly have nothing but love for this theory. I just can’t buy some of it that seems to over simplify things that make so much sense to me elsewise. Additionally I recently drew attention to a design choice that relates all things “eternal” people (of Numen/shaman cultural heritage) that dwelt contemporarily enough to have an influence on each other stylistically. If you look at the Nox headdresses and then the perfumer headdresses and the Ymir’s headdress and then wear ANY of them with the Leda Needle Knight Armour, you can see how the aesthetics line up. From the style pinpointed and adopted from a specific time in our real life history, to the materials used and the colours. Additionally the fact that needle knight Leda is indeed a woman whose physical aesthetic matches all we know about Numen, from their matriarchal culture of warrior women to their blonde hair and fierce nature. If the dress code and the architecture are both pointing to a thing and Radahn lords over and defends an eternal town of sorcery and Miquella has statues of himself throughout another eternal town whose aspects are half enshrouded in spiritual evergaol but whose stone also emits green light with no torches quite like sorcery/magic, I think the linear nature of this singular culture existing within a single age is undeniable.
@k2geekd
23 күн бұрын
i would like your opinion/headcanon, why do you think it is that St trina is inherently a part of Miquella he was born with
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
@@k2geekd Of course. As argued within the Miquella and Malenia part of the analysis, Radagon and Marika were in a "single body" or "Radika" if you will at their birth. Something that wasnt the case with both Messmer and Melina. (Again as shown in the earlier timeline analysis) Since Miquella as the unalloyed was born of a single god, Trina is also within himself as his other half. Just like Marika was one god with Radagon at their birth. It is not only thematic but also explains why Miquella was a special child. He was born of the conjointment of fire and moon (Radagon and Marika), sulfur and mercury which results in unalloyed gold in the alchemical lore. Hope this is a satisfying answer regarding why Trina was one with Miquella. She was the "silver mercury" part of Miquella, her mother Marika's DNA if you will. Something we all know too well he was intent on divesting himself of, rejecting to be as Ansbach says "the child of the Erdtree" Rejecting Marika's reign and worldview. Maybe st trina was why he couldn't be as "unalloyed" as he wanted to be ;))
@Im_alex_h
23 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99why do you think Miquella was born a Rebis but not Melania? Do you think it was just random luck and that a child born of a rebis could, but wouldn’t necessarily always be, born a rebis themselves?
@ieatyaface
23 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99by this thought why wasn't Malenia born with a second half just as Miquella?
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
@@Im_alex_h Malenia was the eternal death part where she was in a perpetual state of rotting. Malenia was like a flower that could bloom offshoots like Millicent as the potential rot goddess. All outer gods and curses operate on their own terms and ways. Miquella in specific was the intended 'unalloyed gold' outcome and was the purest and least 'flawed' continuation of the rebis 'Radika'. But even then, I think he exceeded both parent's expectations in my analysis. Even if Marika and Radagon both probably desired Miquella to take on the torch succeeding Marika's throne, he wanted to go further and fix this broken land at its roots. As flawed and cursed as he was, in the shadow of the Erdtree, he wanted to reintegrate the 'original sin' her mother sealed in these lands so that 'all could flourish whether graceful or malign'. I think Miquella attempted to do something with his age of compassion his father,Radagon always wanted to do with his golden order fundamentalism teachings which the sage Goldmask also approved and practiced in his pilgrimage. You can check out my Goldmask episode to get a feel for this connection. It is an old video with subpar microphone but I hope you enjoy it nonetheless. I was a bit inexperienced back then.
@CoperliteConsumer
23 күн бұрын
Impossible radigon is marika's future incarnation. She literally undid destined death to stop fron becoming him, for death of a god happens in rebirth not at death, the death is change and she stopped it but that didnt stop furure incarnations from exiting which is why time is all messed up
@curtisfarley6558
23 күн бұрын
Excellent vid bro.
@ToadimusPrime
23 күн бұрын
It's very important to distinguish when and with whom Marika's children were made/born. Messmer and Melina were from before her ascension, and them two were also likely twins (this cannot be 100% confirmed however), and both were most likely her children with Radagon. Godwyn, Mohg and Morgott were her children with Godfrey, and Godwyn is the eldest while the other two were twins. Miquella and Malenia are her youngest, also twins, but an important difference is that they're from when Marika and Radagon had been sharing one body. And it's important to note that Marika was the one cursed, not Radagon, since ALL her twins had some sort of affliction, and Godwyn is the only healthy child. And she was cursed for some reason, before having any children. To condense it: Marika + Radagon = Messmer & Melina (twins afflicted with fire curses) Marika + Godfrey = Godwyn (pure); Mohg & Morgott (twins afflicted with Omen curse) Marika/Radagon = Miquella & Malenia ( twins with different curses, both Empyrean) Also just have to add that the Greater Will had nothing to do with Marika. It was confirmed that Metyr was just making stuff up for pretty much the entirety of Marika's divinity.
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
Melina confirms how she was born at the foot of the Erdtree. So saying Messmer and Melina were twins would put Messmer's birth post Erdtree's birth which would be post Smithing stone 7 description. Once can still argue for this of course.
@ToadimusPrime
23 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 I believe Melina says she was given her purpose at the foot of the Erdtree, not born there. The purpose to burn herself as kindling after she was defeated my Maliketh. The item received from Messmer references her, likely because she was his only sibling from that time. Because we knew she was Marika's daughter before the DLC, so it makes no sense for a confirmation of it now.
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
@@ToadimusPrime No. Melina straight up says that she was born at the foot of the Erdtree meaning the Erdtree needs to have been birthed first as explained in the analysis. Let me give you the exact quote: 'The Erdtree...is close. Only a little further till the foot of the Erdtree, and the accord is fulfilled. It takes me back. I was born at the foot of the Erdtree. Where mother gave me my purpose. Though now, everything is lost to me. I...have to ascertain for myself. The reason for which I live, burned and bodiless.'
@ToadimusPrime
23 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 That's the quote I was looking for, couldn't remember the entirety of it. Sure, yes, the quote would confirm it. But I'm sure whatever Marika did to her after Maliketh killed her (as GEQ), she messed with her memory on purpose. Eyes are important, and Melina has her gloam eye sealed, just as Marika used a false eye to seal Messmer's serpent. Melina's way of talking about Marika sounds almost...robotic, forced, staged. Like I originally said, there is no concrete evidence to confirm Melina was born pre-ascension, only the Messmer item to hint at it. It was rather disappointing to not get anything more about her in the DLC.
@raymondcaswell5622
20 күн бұрын
Sooooo, using your "brick hammer" I am going to throw a wrench in your theory and my change of thought. "Laborer" means "slave." Words get lost in translation as you mention. Saying that I'll explain more later. Radagon can still be "Adam" but I now think Radagon was after Godfrey. Not "with" or "before." I have evidence and someone eludes to a bit of this below. Remember, Marika obviously knew the secret sauce also. The pot warriors (like Alexander) in the Lands Between were regarded as "heroes" and planted around the minor Erdtree's, unlike the ones in the Land of Shadow (per Zullie the Witch). The problem I have with the "giant fire" theory is that Rennala is not a "cold crystal." I think you're taking that too literally, although Radagon was "part" giant for sure. The game goes out if it's way to say giants all have red hair. Too much to write on now, will do it later. I'd like to enjoy my Saturday. ;)
@Ontos99
20 күн бұрын
Sure, Raymond. Tell me your thoughts whenever you want. I do think Rennala symbolize 'cold crystal' as the queen of Caria for sure. She is the moon which Ranni's age of stars (since she is her mother) reflects this 'cold' age of the dark moon. The only catch was Rennala wasn't 'Radagon's cold crystal' ;))
@raymondcaswell5622
20 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 Close enough :P
@arnebobflutschkopf3439
21 күн бұрын
I like the video but its A LOT of speculations. The greater will went to buy cigarettes immediately after sending metyr, so almost everything you said the greater will has done was most likely metyr. Like choosing empyrians, the shadow beasts and so on.
@Ontos99
21 күн бұрын
Greater will is the father of Metyr. However choosing empyreans is said to have been done by the Greater will meaning its vessel Elden beast, not Metyr. The interpretations in this video is supported by the written text and are not completely random speculations. Feel free to tell me your other thoughts. Keep in mind that Metyr and GW are not the exact same beings while Elden beast is explicitly reffered to as its vessel beast. Metyr is GWs daughter and mother of fingers. There is a cooperation going on but their connection is severed on a fundamental level. And the timeline is certainly not as simple.
@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710
22 күн бұрын
has anyone else owned a snake for a long time? I think iv'e seen why Marika is missing her head in the shadowlands on her statues. It really hard not to think about the volcano manor snake climbing a tree, and messmers snake smashing a giant fireball to the ground. His snake is one of those wild mma feeders that go wrestle crazy for almost no reason.
@DaneMurdock
21 күн бұрын
There's a version of her Shadowlands statue that has her head intact in the Shadow Keep. The heads are cut off because of her betrayal and genocide of the Hornsent who once revered her. I don't know about snakes like you, so maybe there's still some thematic reference to what you are talking about. But I do think there's a pretty explicit reason for the missing heads without it.
@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710
21 күн бұрын
@@DaneMurdock I think I know the statue, the one on the second phase of Messmer, that shows the shadow of a snake coiling around, I dont want to say I know for sure the circumstances of what happened, I'd honestly rather other people take what I found and hear what they have to say about it, but there been some sneaky snake lore going on since before the dlc, it was just seemingly out of context withought the dlc, along with some other things. What I will say about some snakes, is if there is something it can hide in, like a jar, it usually will compared to staying in plain sight, waiting for something else to come by, and its interesting the hornsent have a distaste for snakes for being base(basic?), maybe too far from having horns or considered imperfect in some way. But the mutual hatred for Marika, who's son has a snake within him, is also interesting.
@reissroony2677
22 күн бұрын
I am starting to think radagon was born from a jar the warrior jars
@sgooopy0901
23 күн бұрын
okay i need the next episode NEOOOW
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
I'm working on it. Thank you
@SuperKennyWorld
22 күн бұрын
12:21 its not the combination of their runes, i mean just look at them. radagons rune is a trellis pattern and marikas is this chalice-like form. i really dont get how so many peaople have this in their videos, while its just plain wrong lol. just use the scarseals instead of the soreseals (like all the others) for comparison and its obvious
@DaneMurdock
21 күн бұрын
I had the same thought instantly. There isn't any way you combine those two runes and get the combination of Radigon and Marika's soreseals.
@Solibrae
22 күн бұрын
Radagon's story sounds very tragic in the way you interpreted and described it here! I don't agree with everything, especially your placement of the Gloam-Eyed Queen into the timeline, but it was a interesting nonetheless.
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
@@Solibrae Thanks. Glad you found it interesting. Who do you think is the Gloam Eyed Queen and where would you place it in the timeline?
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
@@Solibrae Yes. I view Radagon to be a very tragic character
@Solibrae
22 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 I think the GEQ is the biological mother of Melina and Messmer, with Radagon, and the battle between her and Marika happened before Marika became a God with the Gate of Divinity. After defeating her, Marika adopted the children as her own.
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
@@Solibrae How do you interpret Melina saying her mother resides inside the Erdtree (which we know to be Marika at the end of the game) and gave her purpose at the foot of the Erdtree. In fact, she even says how she was 'born' at the foot of the Erdtree. Since the smithing stone 7 description point out how the Erdtree was born at the end of the Fire giant's war, how would it be possible for Melina to be even born at that point when Marika was at the gate of divinity. Furthermore, both Malenia and Miquella start with 'M' just like Messmer and Melina. 'M' for Marika's children with her other self, Radagon. Let me know your thoughts, Solibrae. Much love
@Solibrae
22 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 Right, that's a good point but Melina seems to have amnesia for at least some of the story, so I'm not sure how much stock we should put in her memories. But if she is correct, is it also possible that the Erdtree was born before Marika became a god? She could also be talking about the Scadutree. The presence of Godskin Apostle and Noble spirits on Mountaintops, in Spiritcaller Cave, makes me wonder if they were involved in the war with the Giants as well. As for the names, if Marika adopted them then she could rename them, if they even had names beforehand.
@OneStarRating
23 күн бұрын
P.S. I'm busy atm but I will finish your vid soon.
@mladenspasic4233
23 күн бұрын
Im only like 7 minutes in but I wanna comment because otherwise Im gonna forget - arent the beastmen of farum azula intelligent (the evolution of beasts where they have begun utilizing intelligence granted to them)? I ask this because you said something along the lines of "the intelligence granted upon beasts resulted into the hornsent civilization." Did you mean this result was instant or over time? Like did the intelligence turn the beasts into the hornsent or was it more like: beasts->beastmen->whatever races/civilizations are in between-> hornsent?
@mladenspasic4233
23 күн бұрын
The reason Im saying the beastmen are intelligent is because they have goals, they have weapons, they use lightning incantations and most of all they have burial rituals (they put gold in their graves which can be seen in farum azula).
@mladenspasic4233
23 күн бұрын
Just trying to understand your story better, cheers!
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
Evolution always takes some time. Hornsent, although gifted with the crucible qualities, are definitely intelligent and more developed than the farum azula beasts. They are highly religious so that puts their evolution after the beasts 'gained' intelligence. Whether there were in between modifications and phases to this transition is up for debate. How fast or slow this evolution has occurred is similarly unknown.
@sventasbravo177
14 күн бұрын
You lost me when I've heard you refer to Melina as "Queen of death". At best she could be a princess, let alone a queen. IMO she is not the GEQ as many believe, that moniker does not fit her at all.
@Ontos99
14 күн бұрын
How do you explain the final frenzy flame cutscene? Mostly the gloam eye, black hair and delivering 'destined death' line? What precipitated this change? One should account for it imo. After we 'unsealed' destined death post Maliketh's defeat, Melina's true empyrean form appeared which is what we see in this cutscene. The only moment where she was alive. The implications and hints are extremely strong and hard to argue against in my eyes. But let me know your thoughts
@sventasbravo177
14 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 Well, I can't really explain it with concrete evidence but there are a couple of theories that either the GEQ was a queen before Marika's age or either It was Marika herself. Elden ring has this habit of giving the same person two names/identities, i.e. rune of death/destined death, Godfrey/Hoarah Loux, Godwyn the golden/Prince of death and so on. I would not be surprised if the GEQ was Marika. The GEQ is associated with snakes and Messmer, Marika's firstborn has a couple of snakes within him and we do find a snake's shedded skin in Bonny village. Maybe before ascending to godhood she decided to seal those dark aspects of herself by removing the rune of death or divesting unwanted attributes like Miquella did. I strongly disbelieve that Melina is GEQ is because there is nowhere stated that she is an empyrean, she has no idea what It is to be like a mother (Marika's echoes about Boc), while the GEQ is mainly about motherhood. And to be a queen you have to have: a kingdom and a consort, yet there is no mentioning about Marika stepping down as queen so her daughter could become one (this would just sound like nonsense and It would just convolute the timeline even more). Rennala at least had the Carian kingdom and a consort to be called queen. Melina is referred as a kindling maiden. I do believe that in the frenzied flame ending that one of her eye loses It's grace because we burn the Erdtree down(the source of grace), and the other eye being a fail safe if somebody does choose to "walk alongside flame" because it is her duty to see that this does not happen as a kindling maiden.
@sgooopy0901
23 күн бұрын
where melina :,00 not done w the video yet!! ohhh so confusing ψ(`∇´)ψ
@lupinsensei7456
23 күн бұрын
you can't create a spiral with a single strand...lol
@embargovenom9948
20 күн бұрын
In previous videos I've already noticed this. For some words, you mix up the singular and the plural in the sentence. For example, you'll say "The Hornsent has arrived at the Shaman Village". Is that a single Hornsent? If it's the Hornsent as a race, you should say "The Hornsent HAVE arrived at the Shaman Village." Sorry, I know it's not a comment on your lore, but it's something I've found very distracting in your work.
@Ontos99
20 күн бұрын
No problem! English is not my native language but I have improved and fixed all my grammar mistakes for my upcoming Midra analysis. You are already covered on that front. Thanks for letting me know
@embargovenom9948
19 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 Glad to help. = )
@ChadComputers
20 күн бұрын
Are you interested in a sponsorship? We sell gaming laptops bundled with Elden Ring, and you primarily do elden lore videos, so it might be a good fit. I've emailed you with further details.
@Ontos99
20 күн бұрын
@@ChadComputers Of course. Let me look into it
@axelgray260
20 күн бұрын
Lol
@yjoltetepique8555
22 күн бұрын
Too many facts we already know are ignored here imo
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
@@yjoltetepique8555like what?
@kadenkiki456
22 күн бұрын
ngl this video is wild and doesn't really make a ton of sense. For example. If Malekith was mind controlled by the greater will to give the rune of death to Melina so the greater will could use Melina to get rid of Merika of needed, why would the greater will then allow Malekith to kill Melina when she went to get rid of Merika? It would be beyond nonsensical. There's a lot more to this video that's wack and that's just one. Keep at it though I guess, always enjoy wacky shots in the dark.
@Ontos99
22 күн бұрын
@@kadenkiki456 Simple. Greater will doesnt care in particular which empyrean comes out on top. These emypreans are chosen by their own two fingers to forge a new order. Succeeding queen Marika. If the gloam eyed queen (Melina) wins against Marika, then she will succeed her throne which is fine by the Greater. Thats "literally" why she was chosen by her own two fingers. Maliketh is assigned to Marika so of course he is going to protect her. Your question doesnt make sense or understands the purpose of empyreans and shadows as it is apparent how the Greater will doesnt particularly want to stay with Marika forever. Emypreans are chosen to forge an order for a reason.
@kadenkiki456
22 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 Why force Malekith to give the rune of death to Melina? If the greater will doesn't care why not let Melina figure it out her self, just like all the other empyreans we know about? Also if the greater will doesn't care what order is in place then why would the greater will care how long Merika is god for? As a side note, the entire premise of this issue doesn't really make sense in the first place because in the dlc its implied that the greater will wasn't really involved any more in the lands between when Merika becoming a god which kind of throws a wrench in this situation and a lot of other things you were saying as well.
@RumiLockhart
23 күн бұрын
16:59 genewate UwU
@xhinoteque
23 күн бұрын
naaah
@ironbadger8985
23 күн бұрын
I think you tell a great story, but theres zero evidence for much of it. The game hasnt even suggested most of the thing's youve said. This is head cannon at best. Its a great story you tell, but its also misleading and wrong to pass this off as the true story.
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
It all rests on the written text and thematic conclusions. Zero evidence as in? All the interpretations are thematic and using suggestions given 'by' the item descriptions and dialogue. Nothing is random. Make no mistake about that. Feel free to tell me which parts of the interpretations you feel unsure about and I'll do my best to explain why I've chosen them
@Zythryl
23 күн бұрын
Are you new to theory videos? Literally every video a person makes about ER’s setting, is that person sharing their headcanon. Do you believe it doesn’t matter or isn’t worth discussing things, like whether Radagon and Marika were always together or that they were fused later, *because* the game is never explicit about that question at any point? Or, that any theories and questions people had pre-DLC don’t matter anymore because of the answers provided by the expansion? Don’t be a fundamentalist; it would be absurd to fully dismiss such things. There really isn’t a difference between this, and any crackpot theory, compared to theories made with minimal personal assertions. The quantity of personal beliefs affects nothing. If you somehow took theory videos to be clickbait with the only reason being that they assert themselves as true, then I really don’t think you know what clickbait means. No disrespect, but what are you doing here lmao.
@ironbadger8985
23 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99 one that really stuck out was when you day the greater will was suspicious of marika. To my knowledge, there's nothing in the game to suggest we know the thoughts of the greater will. Theres a lot of instances like that where you say that characters feel a certain way about this or that. Some things are known, like how radagon felt about his red hair, but other things like marika missing radagon etc. We don't know these things and we're neve told through items or character actions
@Ontos99
23 күн бұрын
@@ironbadger8985 No. We can infer Greater will was at least cautious since he assigned shadow beasts and instructed them to turn on their empyreans if they attempted to go against their accord. This already tells us that Greater will doesn't completely trust any given empyrean. Actually saying Greater will trusts Marika without any reservations (or any of her demigods for that matter) would be an unlikely motivation for it. Or even saying it was neutral about it. Clearly his guard is up on some level otherwise Shadow beasts wouldn't attack their empyreans. Again, feel free to tell me what other interpretations you feel is 'random' as you insinuated. Also remember that the fingers are choosing empyreans to 'forge a new order'. Keep that in mind. Greater will is not stagnating and trying to stay with Marika forever.
@Bjorricha
23 күн бұрын
@@Ontos99you've proven this commenters point by acknowledging your video as an interpretation lol. They said passing it off as the truth is wrong and you just admitted it's your own personal idea, therefore admitting to the bait 😂
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