Wow, the last part made me cry. "Is there racists in the Church? Well, I hope so, because that's where they'll have transformation" 😭☦️
@Jordan-1999
2 жыл бұрын
That's one of the problems which I noticed as a Christian. Too many people are racist or hold to a higher opinion of some over others. Ultimately I would say that this is a silly thing to say about racism in the Church. To say that they will find transformation through this means they are no longer racist, but in reality most people are, despite what denomination you are apart of, they never change their views. In America you can find all white churches and all black churches an so on. In other countries other Christian's are very ethnic based. There are many ways by which a man can find transformation, yes racism is one, but no one should be wishing or wanting it to exist within the church. I would even go so far to say that Christianity is one of the major causes for racism. It didn't and still doesn't help the fact that the Church depicted God through the image of Christ as a white man for nearly the entirety of it's existence. Most modern depictions of Jesus we have today evolved from portraits of Cesare Borgia, who was Pope Alexander 6th son. That is not a coincidence, it was done on purpose. And let's not forget the atrocities committed by and by those who represent the Church in the name of a white Jesus. The Crusades Spanish inquisition The Atlantic slave trade Colonialism And the forced conversions and massacres of many indigenous peoples all in the name of civilisation and salvation. It appears quite evident to me that even if Jesus wasn't a white man, but men twisted his appearance, God is the all knowing, the most merciful and compassionate, and He would never portray Himself as one of His creations, knowing what we would do to Him and use Him for. This is what happens when man ascribes physical human characteristics to God in the person of Jesus who by the way was just a prophet, but not God himself.
@mateoenero4954
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-1999 where are you coming from with this information? I’m curious. I don’t wish to debate or fall into argument but I feel as though you could learn more about Christianity than meets the eye.
@eldermillennial8330
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-1999 Right… kzitem.info/news/bejne/rmh7sHeei5apf2U Enslaved Icelander described Ottoman slave market
@Jordan-1999
2 жыл бұрын
@@mateoenero4954 Of course I understand there is good and bad in everything, after all, we live in a corrupt world. Iblis will stop at nothing, he will take as many people to Jahannam as he possibly can until the day of his torment is sent upon him. As for my information it's just common knowledge, many people acknowledge the atrocities that the Roman catholic church inflicted on people. And even Protestant christianity in the sense of colonialism and the Atlantic slave trade. You still have people today arguing over what colour Jesus was. If he was just a Prophet it doesn't matter, but if he was God then, depending on which he chose, it's going to make people of other ethnicities feel less important and or uncomfortable. Which is why I don't believe God would do that to us. Making us think, well does he prefer a certain ethnicity over another. So to me making Jesus God in the flesh in man made concept. Plus why would God incarnate himself as a man, knowing that he would put us at risk of worshiping idols, for example worshiping the creation as well as the Creator. Hope this helps. Peace be upon you brother.
@bonniejohnstone
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-1999 Mankind is flawed under every label because whomever in control, knows the advantage-of using religion, atheism, bondage or fear. Whatever works to maintain maximum power and control. It bugs me that Christianity has been made the scapegoat when millions and millions of Christians have been slaughtered in the past 125 years. Look it up. Most Orthodox Christians lived under the yoke of the Ottoman Empire as second class citizen’s for hundreds of years. Oh Christianity has its bad characters although if you listened to Fr. Paul, Christians also fought against abuse. In 1967 I worked in Civil Rights (East Coast). It was the ‘Church’ that rose up to stand against bigotry. We met in Churches, Black and White Churches… which housed and fed workers. They were registering voters, knowing that they could be killed. Some were jailed and some did die.. I have seen a lot. Greek Bishop Iakovis walked with MLK across the bridge in Selma. Remember Atheist Soviet Communism. 100 million died due to direct execution and forced starvation. Communist China under Mao estimates up to 45 million dead. Woodrow Borah at UC Berkeley estimates that 250,000 people a year were sacrificed by the Aztecs. The communist Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot killed 1.5-2 million people. These are just a few non/Christian systems of terror that aren’t brought up in a conversation about what beliefs have been toxic.
@balipsette
2 жыл бұрын
This is beautiful. I teach at a predominantly black Catholic high school, and I just ordered an icon of St. Moses the Black to put in my classroom, thanks to this video.
@GospelSimplicity
2 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear that!
@golden_fork2775
2 жыл бұрын
I also have to order it from somewhere, because I can't find it in my country (Serbia, I'm Orthodox), because St Moses the Black is one of my favorite Saints :) (maybe it's not... good, I guess, to have like, 5 top Saints whom I like, lol, but I do). St Moses the Black, please pray for all of us to our Lord Jesus Christ!
@mimi_j
2 жыл бұрын
I almost made him my Patron Saint!
@johnleontakianakos4362
2 жыл бұрын
I truly inspiring story the new generation can related to. How the most prolific gang leader in modern history, is now venerated and taught as an example of what a Christian is. As St. Augustine taught - "“There is no saint without a past, no sinner without a future.”
@etcwhatever
2 жыл бұрын
@@golden_fork2775 idk i think we ressonate more with some saints. The ones that have some similar life paths or that are an example of the virtue we want to cultivate. Do you know greek saint Paisios? Im catholic but i really like him 😅😅😅
@daysihall8569
2 жыл бұрын
I had heard him on Ancient Faith and was really inspired and opened my eyes to a side of orthodoxy that I had never known. Just listening to this interview was edifying! Thanks Austin! Praying that God leads you to many more people like him!
@GospelSimplicity
2 жыл бұрын
So glad you enjoyed it! This was truly a pleasure for me
@icabrera120
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been listening in to your show for a while, now and I have to say that this interview right here… this is the eternal present of what Christian Orthodoxy is about. To be a living and loving reflection of God with us. And for it to be released on the Feast of the Transfiguration… real tears.
@omnitrus
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you from South Africa 🙏
@CMDR-Cody
2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow I love Fr.Paul I went to St. Moses the Black Mission when I was in Pittsburgh last year and I will always remember him and his wife they were so nice and I learned a lot. I was a catchumen then and he helped me understand several things which I hadn't heard of before.
@wardone8991
2 жыл бұрын
This man is on the vanguard of the future Church in America.
@wardone8991
2 жыл бұрын
Fr. Anthony at STSA Coptic c church in northern Virginia is another.
@GospelSimplicity
2 жыл бұрын
I'll have to look into Fr. Anthony!
@rm6521
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing conversation and awesome guest! If I could like this a thousand times I would.
@gfujigo
2 жыл бұрын
OMG! I am sooo excited to hear this! I am Protestant and have been studying orthodoxy, Ethiopian orthodoxy, the church fathers, and Coptic orthodoxy. As an African American that thoroughly enjoys church I can’t wait to hear what he has to say.
@TheGreekCatholic
2 жыл бұрын
I grew up with Coptic / orthodox and catholic Ethiopians in Australia . What great people !
@GabrielaLtc
2 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of Fr.Turbo Qualls?
@gfujigo
2 жыл бұрын
@@GabrielaLtc nope. I will check him out. Thanks!
@GoySlopBurritoBar
Жыл бұрын
@@gfujigo father turbo is great
@user-mq3rq8tp5b
Ай бұрын
Eastern Orthodoxy is a home for all!
@isaiahkerstetter3142
2 жыл бұрын
Some friends of mine and I were staying in Pittsburgh for the Serbian centennial and attending St. Moses the Black Orthodox Mission for vespers. We stared at each other wide eyed at the power and clarity with which Fr. Paul spoke during the homily. The rhetorical power of the Pentecostal tradition with the illuminated phronema of The One True Church! It was an honor to meet and speak with Fr. Paul.
@user-mq3rq8tp5b
Ай бұрын
He is full of love, wisdom, and strength. Much love from a Catechumen at St. Moses the Black!
@ButterBobBriggs
2 жыл бұрын
That was a deeply beautiful video Austin. Fr Paul is a great guest, please have him on again and often.
@Troy-Moses
2 жыл бұрын
Butter Bob! You have helped so many, including me... Glad to see you're well, and would really appreciate if you gave us an update. God bless you, brother.
@Lepewhi
10 ай бұрын
If I were religious, I could see myself going to his church. He's so intelligent. I enjoy hearing him speak.
@user-mq3rq8tp5b
Ай бұрын
Come over some time if you're around Pittsburgh :)
@securetheharvest
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Austin. Wonderful conversation with Fr. Abernathy.
@davidkinasevych8439
2 жыл бұрын
Is anybody else crying? Thank you Father Paul!
@IC_XC_NIKA
2 жыл бұрын
I was reading his book last night! I'm excited for this one! ☦️🔥🔥
@GospelSimplicity
2 жыл бұрын
Such a fascinating book
@heidirachel3411
2 жыл бұрын
This conversation is a blessing. Thank you both.
@EastWest7
2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! I recall hearing Fr Paul chant the epistle at an Orthodox wedding in the Pittsburgh area when he was a seminarian. What a great presentation, glad to see this. Glory to God.
@bezaasfaw4097
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I love love about my holy church is that there isn't a single saint that hasn't gone through every possible human struggle and come out sanctified by their lord Jesus Christ so we too be inspired and get their help on our struggles
@jeffreyperez2178
2 жыл бұрын
The title of this show really made me want to watch this
@traceyedson9652
2 жыл бұрын
Thank-you so much. Austin, the Church *is* that place of reconciliation. We are challenged to live it out, but we don’t have to form it. It has been burn from the previous side of Christ, we have been captured into it, and it will do its work in the Spirit as we live in faith. May God manifest that reconciliation more & more in this fragmented world. Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more.
@edwardhall2067
2 жыл бұрын
This was another outstanding interview! I’m so pleased to have taken the time to listen to this one. Actually every time I listen to one of your interviews please do it taken the time!
@ToniMilak
2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful interview!
@olgaivanko9765
2 жыл бұрын
Hope you check about John of Shanghai and San- Francisco
@jdsmith2k7
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining house churches! They were not like what many evangelicals think they were.
@joolz5747
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thank you!
@arthurfitz-gerald1399
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing interview!
@esotericfilms
2 жыл бұрын
such a cool topic and Father Paul is a moving speaker
@jovanjohn8294
2 жыл бұрын
This was great!
@rhwinner
2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you've embraced Apostolic Christianity. God bless you! ♥️🙏♥️
@rinseyvessel6523
2 жыл бұрын
You need also to interview Father Turbo Qualls. You can check him out at The Royal Path on KZitem. He h as much to say regarding the times ahead.
@protestanttoorthodox3625
Жыл бұрын
Glory to God
@paulr5246
2 жыл бұрын
I recomend giving this a second listen, and consider each part of what Paul is saying, there is a lot to take in here in one sitting. Two highlights are the early home Churches at minute 25 and the effect of prayers not engendering a spirit of retribution as the slave owners feared, at 35
@williamcordasco945
2 жыл бұрын
My own parish started as a house church for a number of years. The settlement of Duras-Europa was in a Roman governed settlement and had house churches as Father notes. Those also had iconic frescoes depicting Christ et al. Correctly stated by Father, we were in the catacombs and house churches out of necessity, not a style selection. I expect we’ll be a catacomb church again, with liturgy, given current trends in this country. Christ is in our midst! nonetheless.
@lounaannajung4454
2 жыл бұрын
I guess we're gonna be talking about Ethiopia?? I didn't know Ethiopia was so important in world's history until I got introduced to Orthodoxy. It's just so fascinating! Looking forward to watching this
@masterchief8179
2 жыл бұрын
I see your point. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church (the largest of the Oriental Orthodox churches in numbers), for example, is not currently in communion with Eastern Orthodoxy (as it is since 451 AD). Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodoxs are estimated around 35-40 millions people. Eastern Orthodoxs in Africa, on the other hand, are under the authority of the “Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and all Africa” - but they are up to the number of 500.000-5 millions only. Just for a basis of comparison, Latin Catholics in Africa are around 235 millions. Protestants in Africa - mostly Anglicans and Pentecostals - are around 160 millions. So I wouldn’t say Eastern Orthodoxy (even if we get the best scenario of 5 million) is numerically that relevant in the African continent. Still it never ceases to surprise me how come people online conflate the Ethiopian and the Coptic Orthodoxs (Oriental Orthodoxy) with Eastern Orthodoxy, but it is just as inaccurate, as far as ecclesiology and communion of faith go, at least for the sake of precise representation, as if Anglicans counted as Latin Catholics (and so forth). God bless!
@autoexportelias2945
2 жыл бұрын
Look up Jonathan Pageau and his series on universal history. There he talks a lot about Ethiopia.
@nathanmagnuson2589
2 жыл бұрын
@@masterchief8179 Interestingly enough, the kingdom of Makuria was Chalcedonian until sometime around the 8th century, when they become Coptic. The EO used to have a bigger presence in Africa, and the modern establishment of Catholicism and Protesntism is mostly due to historical circumstance.
@masterchief8179
2 жыл бұрын
@@nathanmagnuson2589 That part of history is simply fabulous because it is referential to the political enterprise and military genius of Emperor Justinian the Great, during the Byzantine expansionism through that part of Africa - not because it was interesting as far as colonial and economic interests go, but because he wanted that regional force to join a multinational alliance against the Persian-Sassanid Empire (the archenemy of the Byzantines). So the disputes about converting to Chalcedonian Christianity or pre-Chalcedonian Christianity had nothing to do with Eastern Orthodoxy having an innate African presence (I would politely say you are probably referring to “Greek Christianity” since EO had not split from the Catholic Church at that period); on the exact contrary, it is actually entirely referential to Byzantine military expansionism - in opposition to the Coptic patriarchate’s more natural presence in Makuria through Southern Egypt. So I would dispute (as would any sincere historian) the theory according to which Greek-Constantinopolitan Christianity was congenital whatsoever to a broader concept of African Christianity in opposition to the Coptic presence there. Curiously enough, Makuria had not any part of nowadays Ethiopia but Northern Sudan and part of Southern Egypt. And in the early 8th century, when Makuria annexed the smaller kingdom of Nubatia, who had converted to Christianity through Coptic influence in the 5th century, oddly enough it was Makuria that converted to the pre-Chalcedonian faith of the smaller and annexed territory and not the presumable inverse, which makes a case for a sort of non-authentic manifestation of the Christian Chalcedonian faith of Byzantine culture there and only reinforce the very theory of Justinian military’s efforts in the anti-Persian alliance during the 6th century. By the way, Ethiopia was part of the Kingdom of Aksum (not Makuria nor Nobatia) and it had converted to Christianity in the mid-4th century, so PRIOR to the very existence of the Council of Chalcedon. That is - by the way - up to this day the true and common reference of the birth of the Orthodox Ethiopian Tawahedo Church (4th century, in the conversion of Aksum). Whenever the the Oriental Orthodox split took place (in 451, Chalcedon), they simply followed the established Patriarch of Alexandria at that time (which was Diascorus) as the continental leader with canonical jurisdiction over African lands, not the (later) concurrent Greek Orthodox Patriarchate that the Byzantine Empire established in order to maintain a Chalcedonian presence in Egypt. So that is a small summary of the Christian religion in the region of larger Nubia. Contrary to the Latin Christian religion, which was authentically developed in the Roman provinces of North Africa (which were Romans since much earlier than Christ) as a sort of congenital manifestation of the Christian faith, there was never an innate Greek-Byzantine Christianity in Africa in opposition to the Coptic one, whenever the Chalcedonian schism took place. God bless!
@nathanmagnuson2589
2 жыл бұрын
@@masterchief8179 I am aware that Ethiopia was never part of Makuria, I was just commenting on how it was interesting to have post-Chalcedonian Dyophysites African states. Conflict between Miaphysites and Dyophysites lasted for centuries, without a permanent split until nearly 100 years after Chalcedon. To say the Greek see is "later and set up in opposition" is not really true, considering Dioscrous was canonically deposed and replaced by a Dyophysite. Copts were the majority, obviously, but to say that the Dyophysites were some foreign and inauthentic presence is just simply untrue. Also, the Miaphysites and Dyophysites both sent missionaries to convert the Nubians, since Nobatia had only converted in pockets. It is a bit misleading to say any communion is more congenital regarding Makuria and Alodia, in my opinion. Next time try not to write a full essay full of condescending assumptions, please.
@feeble_stirrings
2 жыл бұрын
What do the kids say these days? Ah yes: straight fire!
@Troy-Moses
2 жыл бұрын
America was founded upon Deism: _"A religious belief holding that God created the universe and established rationally comprehensible moral and natural laws but does not intervene in human affairs through miracles or supernatural revelation."_ Deism and Christianity are often conflated, as Deists often use religious texts, including the Bible, to justify their actions during chattel slavery. Deists and some Protestants see God's relationship to man as Master-slave, contrary to the Orthodox Christian paradigm of Father-son.
@orthodoxrocks9644
2 жыл бұрын
To be sure Orthodox Christianity would consider any person trying to justify racism(kkk) and slavery (19th century south) by proof texting and quoting Holy Writ apart from Holy Tradition heretics! Those aberrations are not in anyway tethered to the nascent Church let alone The Orthodox Church!
@justrubio3121
2 жыл бұрын
25 minutes in about the catacomb church and in middle east where there were altars in the homes. I know a guy in what's called Neo catechumenal way and they've been celebrating this way for years. Pray for them there was an explosion in Spain at one of there main headquarters/schools/churches.
@etcwhatever
2 жыл бұрын
What happened with the neo cathecumenal group??? I though they are a fully authorized movement inside the catholic church. Im portuguese and we didnt get any news about this explosion thing. Can you give me an idea of what is going on? Thank you
@justrubio3121
2 жыл бұрын
@@etcwhatever Happened in Spain. One of there main locations was awhile back now. Sorry didn’t see this until now.
@cyriljorge986
2 жыл бұрын
Orthodoxy is Truth and there is no other truth but Orthodoxy. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.
@etcwhatever
2 жыл бұрын
It is funny you say that latin sentence 😅 come back orthodox brothers. We love you 😍🤩😅
@cyriljorge986
2 жыл бұрын
@@etcwhatever It's an Orthodox term, Orthodox saints taught this. The one patriarch, Rome, left the four, and then afterwards called himself indefectible, infallible, supreme, and universal. Classic power grab. And you were tricked into thinking he's legitimate for doing so.
@etcwhatever
2 жыл бұрын
@@cyriljorge986 🤣🤣🤣 you just admited orthodoxy is on the catholic side. Good try to back down. Either way, i hope one day we will be one church again. Whatever you say friend. Stay christian until the day we will all unite.
@cyriljorge986
2 жыл бұрын
@@etcwhatever Wait, what did I do? Your comprehension is in error.
@YenkammaNe
2 жыл бұрын
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU? By Francois Gautier. *Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.* Be Your Own Messiah. 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools. 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead. 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion) 11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu. 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe! 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily) You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu! This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!! There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction..
@diegobarragan4904
2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what African American spirituality even is.
@nuzzi6620
2 жыл бұрын
Negro spirituality has a long and deep history, and manifests itself in many different ways in American culture. Perhaps you’re just genuinely ignorant, but it’s influence to some degree is virtually impossible to avoid in much of our (North American) cultural heritage, particularly in its music.
@diegobarragan4904
2 жыл бұрын
@@nuzzi6620 what kind of spirituality is it? Christian?
@terrianwoods5186
2 жыл бұрын
@@diegobarragan4904 Yes, it’s Christian. It’s what you’ll find primarily within the black church (My guess is that’s what this video might be about). When I visited an Orthodox Church, I saw that there were similarities in the length of the service, the length of prayers, the seriousness of holiness, the repetition of certain phrases for added emphasis, etc. The differences are the way we preach, teach, and conduct services. It’s very passionate and charismatic in nature. There’s a rich culture of black Christians and the way we’ve expressed our faith in church. There’s a docu-series that came out on the Black Church I believe in 2020. If you’re interested, it’s called "The Black Church" on PBS.
@diegobarragan4904
2 жыл бұрын
@@terrianwoods5186 like the Baptist church? That’s what I think of.
@bonniejohnstone
2 жыл бұрын
@@diegobarragan4904 If you are asking about the guest who I know, he is an Orthodox Priest that serves inner city Pittsburg.
@justrubio3121
2 жыл бұрын
Is Austin crossing over to Orthodoxy? We have Theia Leitourgia. No? Too soon?
@justrubio3121
2 жыл бұрын
Oh also. I just read in Orthodox Theology Christ didn't even partake of the last supper he instituted the eucharist. Oddly I feel I should've known this. This is my body and blood!
@nathanmagnuson2589
2 жыл бұрын
There certainly are racists in the Church, but as usual they tend to stay online.
@giuseppelogiurato5718
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone else: "What can we do about all these horrible divisive schisms? How can all these different kinds of Christians learn to get along?" Orthodox: "What schisms? There are no 'different kinds of Christians', and there is only one true God... There is no branch of the tree than can survive without being connected to its trunk and its roots... There is only one Christian Church... You either is, or you ain't. It's not really that complicated." Edit: these are my impressions, not my beliefs... I'm non-denom, if anything. I like Lutherans and Odox and all y'all... God bless ya! ❤️
@cyriljorge986
2 жыл бұрын
Amen! I am so happy I became Orthodox and gained the gift of this perspective, that which is clearly shared among *all* of the Fathers.
@giuseppelogiurato5718
2 жыл бұрын
@@cyriljorge986 lol, I'm not baptized, but I've been living with Greek-Orthodox family for 15+ years... It's not that they think "everyone else is going to hell"; it's more that they feel that un-Orthodox (Christian)people are simply unaware of their own inherent Orthodox beliefs/potential... absolutely ZERO of the Odox folks that I've met so far are EXTREME like the Esphigmenou guys on The Holy Mountain, but I live in the US, so my perspective is extremely limited... The family keep asking me, "when are you going to stop being a 'catechumen'?", and I just say, "one day, I'll be baptized, God willing", and they seem satisfied with that answer. Me and my family have always felt warm and welcome at Greek Church. No one has ever told me that I was "going to hell" for not being Odox; they are more grieved that I can never become Greek! 😁❤️☦️ Edit: not "lol" at you; your reply made me smile because you agreed with my impression of what Odox people think. I say "Amen" with you. You guys are the real thing, imo.
@giuseppelogiurato5718
2 жыл бұрын
@@cyriljorge986 also, I must admit, I've learned that Theotokos is no joke, and it's much easier to pray with her help. She is very loved in our family, but not "worshipped" above God. In our house, we have more icons of "Jesus with His Mother" than we have icons of "Jesus all by himself"... Come to think of it, we only have ONE icon of "solo-Jesus"; the rest are all of Him with some other human (Theotokos, apostles, Lazarus, lepers, John the Forerunner, etc)... 🤔
@masterchief8179
2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated video! And what an inspiring person Fr Paul Abernathy is! I loved his spiritual trajectory - it’s refreshing to see how filled with the Holy Spirit he and his ministry are. Still, frankly it causes some strangeness how come people apparently miss the huge African Western Christian heritage, since African provinces of the Roman Empire (=Northern Africa) were Latin Catholics MUCH before Islamism advanced and conquered those areas for the Umayyad Caliphate in the 7th century. Much of Latin Patrology is made of great African Church Fathers and apologists; Christians who suffered from great persecutions in those territories from time to time. In current racial patterns most probably they’d be called black or Berber people but undoubtedly not white individuals. St Cyprian of Carthage (210-258) was from Carthage, one of the most important metropolis of the ancient world. So he was from nowadays Tunisia. Since we must mention the Numidian church (= Numidia was a former Roman province of the West), one of the most noteworthy Church Fathers, as far as an emphatic theological affirmation of the papacy goes, surely must be St Optatus of Milevis (nowadays Algeria), who lived during the 4th century. And indisputably one of the most important theologian saints of all times is St Augustine of Hippo (354-430), who was born in Tagaste, also in the Numidian province of Roman Africa, and is formally proclaimed a “Doctor of the Church”. We can add to that some great Church apologists like Minucius Felix (probably born around 150), who was an African of unknown origins, and Lactantius (250-325), who was ethnically a Berber from Numidia. Tertullian (155-220) - or “Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus” (his actual name) - was from Carthage too and he is up to this day one of the most important and prolific theologians ever, albeit not a Church Father in the strict sense. All of them were probably black or Berber people. And they are currently studied in the most serious schools of patrology; they spoke and wrote - fluently - in Latin. In a sense, that was indigenous to them since their ancestors converted from paganism and they resisted Imperial persecution. There have been even remarkable AFRICAN popes. Pope St Victor I (reigned in 189-199) and Pope St Gelasius I (reigned in 492-496) were two of the most important early Bishops of Rome and they give early attestations of both papal supremacy (from the Latin word “supremum”, which does not mean autocracy or tyranny, by the way) and universal jurisdictional injunctions in the ‘oikouméne’. I am of the impression that many of the core Latin patristics was progressively abandoned in Eastern Orthodoxy due to Greek provincialism and a ferocious anti-Latinism that got ingrained in their “ethos” since the schism, but not in the Catholic tradition. Checking how Byzantine scholastics of the 13th/14th century dealt pleasantly with the Latin Fathers they “discovered” and how the Greek legates dealt with Latin authors in Florence with surprise, it seems undeniably true to me. That being said, I’d only affirm Catholicism was present in Africa MUCH earlier than European nations went there and it can be said to be even co-natural with African Christianity alongside with the Coptic and the Ethiopian traditions. St Moses the Black or the Ethiopian, by the way, is also a Catholic saint. So I’d say it seems strange to me how to correlate Eastern Orthodoxy with ancient African spiritual patrimony - since the Eastern traditions that are innate to that continent are the Coptic and the Ethiopian/Eritrean, and they belong to pre-Chalcedonian Oriental Orthodoxy and not to Eastern Orthodoxy, which is under the authority of the “Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and all Africa” (but are up to the number of 500.000-5 millions only). Maybe that’s simply about the personal journey of Fr Paul; maybe, as a Latin American, I’m biased for the authentic expression of our faith coming to manifest fully in the Catholic Church. And still, both the Coptic and the Ge’ez rites - genetically African - are present in the Eastern Catholics “sui iuris” churches but I guess (correct me if I’m wrong) both absent in Eastern Orthodoxy, which monolithically tends to follow the Divine Liturgy of Constantinople even in the Slavonic adapted form. God bless!
@bjw8806
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your last paragraph Unfortunately though because their is no reigning African Latin tradition - pre Roman Catholic proper or Any other body … that history can be swelled up in Roman , Anglican, Lutheran and so on. Thus get buried in time. It would be improper to call St Cyprian a Roman Catholic in Africa or a proto Anglican African catholic , Afro - Latin catholic, Afarkan Catholic, North African Catholic. Those terms would seem much more appropriate Not accusing you of doing this but just for the general readers
@masterchief8179
2 жыл бұрын
@@bjw8806 No problem, brother. But again I wouldn’t know any of this African era as “pre-Roman Catholic”. This wouldn’t actually make sense as far as theology and history go. It seems you assume your premises in the conclusion - and it sounds to me like a convenient and strange historiography of the Church, with all due respect. Among others, one thing I’ve learned just by observing and dialoguing with anti-Catholics online (I am not saying you are among them) is that anachronistic arguers are invariably the ones calling Catholic claims anachronistic. Don’t get me wrong, my friend. Of course, the Latin African patrimony belongs to all Christians and not only to Catholics in a broader sense. To all Western Christians in a different and stricter sense (for example: Calvinists up to this day try to prove the antiquity of their dogmatic theology from a particular way of reading St Augustine); to all Apostolic churches it belongs in a rather different and stricter sense too (I’ve seen Eastern Orthodoxs trying to use St Cyprian of Carthage problematic elements in some works of ecclesiology to prove their points). BUT that can only be manifestly true if (and insofar) we understand that fractured groups, which are visibly seen because of the deplorable sin of division, came from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and that body STILL continues necessarily (or else Christ would have failed his promises and we would rely on the “ecclesiology of invisibility”) in a STRICT sense. But what if we look for the inheritance in the strictest and perfect sense by means of continuation? The further honest question would be what that body is, but surely it’s false that we (and everybody) came from that undecipherable “plastic” ancient ecclesial tradition that was lost and interrupted but is kind of radiographed in a myriad of groups /“denominations” that can equally claim continuity from this alleged lost ecclesial brute mass. I’d argue for that kind of intellectual “topoi” being unbiblical and counter-apostolic but it surely is one of the most used tools online (and even in some sort of academic works) to a bad type of anti-Catholicism that in general wears up as “anti-Romanism”. Please, i’m not saying Catholicism is simply exempt from ‘disputatio’, nothing of this sort, or that truth, as we see it, is self-evident and obvious to anyone of good will. But for the sake of debating authenticity, of course multiple answers would be given. Although in an incomplete sense all Christians can and must claim they receive the one true inheritance from Christ Himself, ecclesiologically it seems wrong to advocate for a sort of “proto-ecclesia” that exists no longer, even if a region or a continent falls down to non-Christian dominance. But this “Roman Catholicism” you talked about, as if St Augustine and St Cyprian were not a part of: is it a split from what then? Eastern Orthodoxy says it is a split from them whereas we are 100% sure it’s the other way around; notice Mormonism define itself in that precise way too and also claim Christ, so that they say Catholics split from them and only then the other groups separated further down from the Catholic Church. As a Catholic, my claim is that the *Church of Christ IS the ONE that “continues to exist in” (= or, as in Latin, ‘subsistit in’) the Catholic Church.* Undoubtedly. I would be all day here to argue for that position but I guess you could have predicted that. I’d only say the Catholic Church is “Roman”, as in your apparent insistence, if only you qualify you meant it’s an apostolic body visibly governed by the successor of St Peter, whose ‘cathedra’ is Roman not only _lato sensu_ but also _stricto sensu,_ both canonically and apostolically, and by the bishops in communion with him, even though imperfect degrees of unity manifest indeed and surely elements of sanctification and truth can be seen outside of those very visible boundaries (‘Lumen Gentium’, 8). So we must make a lot of effort to take ecclesiology in seriousness, avoiding either a sort of prideful arbitrariness that would fail the revealed data, the four ‘notes’ of the Church or history (or all of them), or a sort of indifferent ecclesial relativism. Either one doesn’t look remotely good.
@nuzzi6620
2 жыл бұрын
So much bias and anti-Orthodox prejudice in your comment, it’s a little much to unpack. The attitude that comes across in your words is a very big part of the reason why the schism between our churches will never be healed.
@eldermillennial8330
2 жыл бұрын
@@bjw8806 I would call Augustine an African Latin Orthodox catholic.
@masterchief8179
2 жыл бұрын
@@nuzzi6620 Brother, I can only lament if that’s your opinion. I made a courteous and reasoned argument here; people can agree or disagree with arguments. Every bit of it came with the reasons for my particular hesitation with the core proposition (that “Eastern Orthodoxy is/can be the fulfillment of African American spirituality”). You may disagree with the explanations I gave but you should NOT treat opinions you don’t like simply as “anti-Orthodox prejudice” unless you explain yourself fairly and show how well-mannered and reasoned discourses that somebody doesn’t appreciate qualify as bigotry. It’s pretty infantile too me. After watching the video (it was a lovely and much appreciated interview) I was actually happy to see a good loving Eastern Orthodox priest that seemed not obsessed with attacking the Catholic Church or obsessively dissenting with her. Then I saw your post. You’ve actually got many posts on KZitem poking on, offending and/or detracting the Catholic Church, Catholic liturgy and even Catholic saints (do we need to go for them?); if I simply happen to be one guy who stands for every inch of Catholic truth and tends to proportionally respond if I have time or conditions to defend the Catholic Church (and it simultaneously seems rational and spiritually fruitful to do so), it is nothing but odd that you call me the bigot of us two under those circumstances. In all fairness, but please, take a look at this: you even came in this very post talking about “healing the schism” but whenever I talked about union and healing the schism (and that means every time the topic was discussed, by the way) I got attacked by hordes of Eastern Orthodox internet-converted people showing nothing but HATRED (in the true sense of the term) for Catholicism, mostly naming any effort of honest dialoguing as the “heresy of ecumenism” - and now you are acting like I’m the one putting obstacles to “healing the schism”. Disingenuous to my taste. In a summation, you had the audacity to accuse ME with “anti-Orthodox prejudice” simply because I showed reasoned hesitancies in agreeing with the proposed topic: Eastern Orthodoxy being the fulfillment of African American spirituality (and I gave, respectfully, PLENTY of reasons for it). From Brazil with love. _Pax et Bonum._
@eliasn.477
2 жыл бұрын
The Orthodox Church ( monasteries and eparchies) owned slaves up into the 1850’s.
@eliasn.477
2 жыл бұрын
@@Canofcactus yes, educate yourself through reading, . Also learn some foreign languages, preferably from the Balkans/ Middle East: Eastern Europe if you only know English, then save yourself the embarrassment of such an ignorant question and statement.
@ΓραικοςΕλληνας
Жыл бұрын
@@eliasn.477 orthodox church never had slaves . Where you got that from?
@eliasn.477
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@@ΓραικοςΕλληνας The EP ‘s metropolises in Moldova and Ungrovlachai for instance. The monastic dependencies of the Holy Sepulcher, St. Catherine, St. Sabbas in the same orincipalities.
@ΓραικοςΕλληνας
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@@eliasn.477 where in orthodox church theology and faith says you can have slaves
@eliasn.477
Жыл бұрын
@@ΓραικοςΕλληνας NT perhaps, but it doesn’t even matter since in premodern times at least, it was never explicitly said one shouldn’t. And so the church owned both serfs and Gypsy slaves. It’s the spread of the ideas of the French Revolution that led to the condemnation and abolition of slavery and serfdom in the Orthodox lands, not the beautiful but way more malleable texts of the Euchologion.
@Jordan-1999
2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for anyone who is genuine and would be able to answer my question. God willing. Indeed you say that Jesus Christ, the *son* of God, is God himself. So can someone please explain to me why Jesus prayed to God and said that you the *Father* are the only true God. In the Gospel according to John in Chapter 17?
@thecaveoftheheart
2 жыл бұрын
Hey brother! It might help you understand by studying the Eastern Orthodox doctrine that God the Father is the Source of the Holy Trinity.
@Jordan-1999
2 жыл бұрын
@@thecaveoftheheart I appreciate that brother, but I already have, you see I come from that Christian background and more. I'm seeking for a logical explanation of the trinity; with that said I am also seeking a logical explanation that is even coherent with the Old Testament.
@TitusFlavius11
2 жыл бұрын
TLDR: Jesus Christ is also fully man. Longer answer: To answer your questions I need to quickly walk you through several Ecumenical Councils which build on each other, theology-wise. So, first we establish the doctrine of the One Holy Consubstantial and Life-Giving Trinity, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. One God possessing one unique divine essence, one divine nature which is shared between three Persons in such way that 1) Essentially, the three Persons are indistinguishable. Every Person is fully God, not 1/3 of God, three making up one. 2) The Father is the source of the Trinity, He eternally begets the Son and from Him (and from Him alone) the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds. In such way, there are no essential/natural differences between the Persons, the only distinctions are hypostatic. That covered, we go to the incarnation of the Divine Logos (Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity). At the moment of conception by the Holy Spirit, in Jesus Christ the human nature of the embryo (provided by the Theotokos and the Ever-Virgin Mary) and the divine nature of God came together in a HYPOSTATIC UNION. Not mixing up together to form a new nature, not staying separate in such way that there exist two Christs. A very imperfect analogy would be a Yin and Yang picture. Two natures formed one hypostasis of Jesus Christ the Savior without mixing led to the situation where the Lord is fully human and fully divine. Not half human and half divine. That covered, the necessary derivative of divine and human nature is the concept of Will. Since Christ has two natures, He also has two wills. A divine will which is one shared between all three Persons of the Trinity and a human will, naturally subordinate to the divine will. Which creates a situation, wherein the Lord in His earthly journey is both equal and inferior to the Father. I hope this answers your question, although whole books can and have been written on the topic.
@thecaveoftheheart
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-1999 we cannot logically understand the Holy Trinity with human reasoning, but we can understand the way that we are made in God's image as "Mind (Father), Word (Son), and Breath (Spirit)". A true understanding of the Holy Trinity can only be revealed to us through the mystical practice of noetic prayer.
@thecaveoftheheart
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-1999 you can find God the Word in the Old Testament where He is referred to as the Angel of the Lord. There is also an icon called "The Silent Word" which reflects this mystery.
@bjw8806
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest. This seems like it may be better served from someone from the Oriental Orthodox communion
@eldermillennial8330
2 жыл бұрын
There’s plenty of Pro Chalcedon Africans.
@bonniejohnstone
2 жыл бұрын
You mean Coptic? You’re kidding! African American Orthodox isn’t ok? I hope you misspoke. There’s an argument about the speaker and topic before you’ve heard what Fr. Abernathy has to say. Just maybe, there’s something to be learned if people aren’t making assumptions.
@eldermillennial8330
2 жыл бұрын
@@bonniejohnstone He means Ethiopian, specifically, and they are the oldest Christian Kingdom, roughly tied with some Armenians, but not all Africans are non Chalcedon, and most American Blacks are grounded in very basic pro Chalcedon presuppositions, such as they were in most English Protestantism.
@bjw8806
2 жыл бұрын
What I mean is the oriental orthodox communion has the most concentrated African and Asian Christians. This is not a swipe at pro chalcedons but African Americans long for an ancient Christian connection in africa. The OO does provide that even if it’s just in conversation.
@IC_XC_NIKA
2 жыл бұрын
The assumption that Africans we're only Oriental isn't the case. Not do we have pro Chalcedon African's but many early church Father's who are canonized saints that we venerate this day are Eastern Orthodox Christians.
@Jordan-1999
2 жыл бұрын
Austin I understand if you do not wish to speak with these people since they're not Christian, but I would really appreciate it if you could find within your heart to interview people who come from an Islamic background. If you could, I would recommend the following channels who speak english. WAYOFLIFESQ Mufti Menk Smile to Jannah The3Muslims There is also an eastern orthodox Christian who has been looking into Islam. Check out his channel, Bobby's perspective. Peace be upon you.
@christianlacroix5430
2 жыл бұрын
Nobody cares about islam.
@bonniejohnstone
2 жыл бұрын
A Lebanese friend says that in Lebanon Muslims go to Orthodox Churches during Dormition (Mary’s death) to honor Mary. Some have icons of Mary, St. George and the Archangel Michael. Mohammad wrote on a stone sign with his mark (handprints) not to disturb the Holy Monks at Saint Katherine’s Monastery on Mt. Sinai Egypt. The Monks built a small place to pray for Muslim traveler’s within the Monastery garden. Bedouins have been baking bread with the monks for themselves for hundreds of years.
@Jordan-1999
2 жыл бұрын
@@bonniejohnstone I know that when muslims go on a pilgrimage to karbala, they show portraits of Husayn ibn Ali and his father, but not to worship them or pray to them. I know about the Prophet Muhammad protecting the monks at st Katherine's Monastery in Egypt. He was also shown the same respect and kindness by the Christian king Najashi of Axum in Ethiopia, while they were under persecution by the mekkan pagans after the death of Muhammads uncle.
@eldermillennial8330
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-1999 Have you actually researched what icons are, what the 7th ecumenical council actually says? It seems very seldom to find a Muslim who actually understands our nuanced position on what an idol is and IS NOT.
@Jordan-1999
2 жыл бұрын
@@eldermillennial8330 What does God say an idol is or is not? That's more important brother.
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